Crafted armor class restricted in RoK?

[Amphibia]

There is a rumor that crafted armor will be class restricted in RoK, meaning that only mages can wear robes etc. Please tell me this isn't true? The stats on this stuff isn't all that anyway, so the only thing people will want it for in the long run is the appearance slots. There is no real competition over these items either, because everyone can get their hands on roots and pelts. I really hope this isn't the start of a trend, because part of what makes this game so much fun is all the different choices. Why limit those choices any more than necessary? And as a tailor, this change will only mean one thing - my crafted stuff will become far less attractive to buy, because of the restrictions. I also play a monk and I don't like gi's, so I only use robes on him. There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. If any of this is true, please reconsider. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />PS: I saw some of it, and it looks awesome! Just wish my character could wear it.....<span style="color: #cc0000;">EDIT: </span>Just found out that it's not just a rumor. It appears the robes are in fact mage only. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Here's the link:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g198" target="_blank"> EQ Traders</a>

[Lilj]

I saw this too and I wonder why it has been put in.I'm not sure I see any reason for this restrcition and I'm not particular happy about it.I like to have the option open for cloth. I need Int and crafted cloth is a good way to get it, since there is no leather armor with Int on.If the crafted cloth is now mage only, I have no options for Int on my crafted armor.I can accept I can't get Int on leather and have to pay with a reduced mitigation, but with this new system, I can't use it at all.Besides some of the new cloth armor is very nice looking, I'm sure some would like to have the option to use it in appearance slots.I hope this restriction could be removed *crosses her fingers*

[Amphibia]

Well, someone said she had equipped it on her fury in RoK, so I'm not sure weither the tags were added later or if they were just tagged wrong by mistake. Hoping for the latter....

[Belaythien]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. </blockquote>I totally agree with you. One of the things I don't like about EQ2 is the abundance of restrictions. Almost everything has additional restrictions: spells, mobs, items, etc. Sometimes spells or items have more text stating restrictions than the actual effect or bonus uses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Class/no-trade/lore restrictions (among others) are used too often.

[Hikinami]

my guess is that its a reaction to the "tanking in robes is a horrible travesty" people who popped up after the appearance slot was put in.

[Calthine]

<cite>Belaythien wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. </blockquote>I totally agree with you. One of the things I don't like about EQ2 is the abundance of restrictions. Almost everything has additional restrictions: spells, mobs, items, etc. Sometimes spells or items have more text stating restrictions than the actual effect or bonus uses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Class/no-trade/lore restrictions (among others) are used too often.</blockquote>Whatdya want, an easy button?<img src="http://www.globalbydesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/thatwaseasy_en.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Domino]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>Um ... yes please!  Where do I sign up!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Calthine]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>Um ... yes please!  Where do I sign up!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>"Soon" (tm)

[Killerbee3000]

scrap that easy button...we need the following: An additional Bell in QH where you can click on and select form the following: lvl Buff to lvl of your choice in both adventuring and craftingAA buffing to 140Full Mythical Equip that a dev specifically tailors to your wishesthe loot of whatever mob (including spell checker so you dont even have to know the full name of the mob). All the strongboxes in your bank filled with crafting rares. 999999 plat. or, all of the above. as a last alternative:a dev of your choice comes to clean your oven and windows during rok launch downtime<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />/enough thread derailing /slaps self

[Belaythien]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Belaythien wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. </blockquote>I totally agree with you. One of the things I don't like about EQ2 is the abundance of restrictions. Almost everything has additional restrictions: spells, mobs, items, etc. Sometimes spells or items have more text stating restrictions than the actual effect or bonus uses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Class/no-trade/lore restrictions (among others) are used too often.</blockquote>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>What's that got to do with easy? All these "artificial" added restrictions are just a sign that the game system is slowly falling apart, because it has to be patched (not in the good progressive way) everywhere <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />.Restrictions are getting all esoteric like a spell or item only works on even dates, while the moon is waning, the mob is not epic and the amount of copper you carry has to be divisible by a prime with no more than 3 digits. It's just unintuitive and annoying. Rember when they made all non-crafted earrings lore? What's that got to do with lore? It's just some restriction to fix some issue with a rough hack.Edit: No offense intended but many of these restrictions are simply hard to understand and appear to be rather random.

[SweetSynergy]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>Um ... yes please!  Where do I sign up!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Wow, that is very constructive feedback from both an allakhazam manager and a dev.  I thought it was your jobs to give constructive feedback to people who are asking questions.  How much more condescending can you both get? </p><p>To respond to the op's post.  </p><p>I dont know why some classes can wear all armour, eg, plate and chain wearers can wear leather and cloth but those who wear the latter armour cant wear plate and chain.  </p><p>If its all just for appearances sake then weight should not be a factor since the stats from appearance slot armour does not affect a person.</p><p>Race should also not be a factor if you consider an ogre is the biggest race in the game and would be able to wear any armour in the game but is restricted to say cloth if it is a mage. </p><p>My personal thoughts though are that there are more important things in game that need tweaking, nerfing or fixing.  While I understand there are many people in game that are big on how they look, I myself as a druid get used to looking like a rainbow, I would much rather sony focus on fixing more important stuff.</p>

[Ronin SpoilSpot]

<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My personal thoughts though are that there are more important things in game that need tweaking, nerfing or fixing.  While I understand there are many people in game that are big on how they look, I myself as a druid get used to looking like a rainbow, I would much rather sony focus on fixing more important stuff.</p></blockquote>I'm more intereseted in an answer to the current question than a general concern about restrictions.I guess it's mostly druids that are affected by this change, since they were the ones who needed to use cloth in order to get int bonuses. I see no reason for suddently restricting cloth to mages, but I wouldn't care if it meant that there was a leather armor with +int now. /RS

[Amphibia]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Belaythien wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. </blockquote>I totally agree with you. One of the things I don't like about EQ2 is the abundance of restrictions. Almost everything has additional restrictions: spells, mobs, items, etc. Sometimes spells or items have more text stating restrictions than the actual effect or bonus uses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Class/no-trade/lore restrictions (among others) are used too often.</blockquote>Whatdya want, an easy button?<img src="http://www.globalbydesign.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/thatwaseasy_en.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>Honestly, that is a ridiculous response. Your posts are usually good and reasonable, but this one isn't. <b>It has nothing to do with easy or not, ok?</b> It is a matter of <u>choices</u>, and those choices becoming more and more limited in this game. I just think that is a little sad, and I wanted to share my opinion about it. And you don't have to defend Domino against me. I'm a big fan of her, and think she is doing a great job with both tradeskills and communicating with the players. I just feel that class restricted crafted armor is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it is ok to say that.

[Amphibia]

<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>My personal thoughts though are that there are more important things in game that need tweaking, nerfing or fixing.  While I understand there are many people in game that are big on how they look, I myself as a druid get used to looking like a rainbow, I would much rather sony focus on fixing more important stuff.</p></blockquote>I agree with most of your post, except this..... because this wasn't a problem until now. Nothing needed to be done about it, or tweaked. Could have just left it as it has been since launch, and let all classes enjoy the pretty robes. Because they are really nice looking. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Pibu]

<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Wow, that is very constructive feedback from both an allakhazam manager and a dev.  I thought it was your jobs to give constructive feedback to people who are asking questions.  How much more condescending can you both get? </p></blockquote>Leave  DominoDev alone!!!  I dare you to find a dev that has been more responsive on these forums in the past few years and it is post like these why there aren't more.  And it is not Calthine's job to be helpful on this forum she can have fun here <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Also being the day before launch I'm betting all the devs are soo messed up on coffee/sugar/alcohol(or is that the night after launch for that one) that we are luck to get any response from them and they are allowed to have their fun.

[Domino]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I just feel that class restricted crafted armor is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it is ok to say that.</blockquote>Of course it's ok to say that, well, as long as it's said politely and constructively per the forum rules of conduct.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Sorry if I sounded a bit flippant, it's the day before release and I think we're all a bit light-headed!  In fact the cloth armor was already changed so when it hits live you should find it consistent with lower level cloth, ie, wearable by everyone.I still want an easy button though.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Cusashorn]

Well I'm just glad that Monks and Bruisers have thier exclusive Crafted Gi's to look forward to.

[Amphibia]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I just feel that class restricted crafted armor is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it is ok to say that.</blockquote>Of course it's ok to say that, well, as long as it's said politely and constructively per the forum rules of conduct.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Sorry if I sounded a bit flippant, it's the day before release and I think we're all a bit light-headed!  In fact the cloth armor was already changed so when it hits live you should find it consistent with lower level cloth, ie, wearable by everyone.I still want an easy button though.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Awesome, thanks a lot! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Btw, they look great! Good job!

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I just feel that class restricted crafted armor is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it is ok to say that.</blockquote>Of course it's ok to say that, well, as long as it's said politely and constructively per the forum rules of conduct.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Sorry if I sounded a bit flippant, it's the day before release and I think we're all a bit light-headed!  In fact the cloth armor was already changed so when it hits live you should find it consistent with lower level cloth, ie, wearable by everyone.I still want an easy button though.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>SWEET!  </p><p>I'll update the <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g198" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">EQ2Trader</a> files when I get home tonight.   </p><p>I also have the new graphics for the Rev Chain.  Niami should be updating 1 of them soon.  The other will have to wait till I get home, again. </p><p>And, Thank you!</p><p>(I still say Ferrite = Green)  </p>

[Calthine]

<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>Um ... yes please!  Where do I sign up!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Wow, that is very constructive feedback from both an allakhazam manager and a dev.  I thought it was your jobs to give constructive feedback to people who are asking questions.  How much more condescending can you both get?</p></blockquote>Um, I think your sense of humor is inhibited.edit:  reading down further, apparently either a lot of people's senses of humor took a walk, or I shoulda thrown in an emoticon or something.

[Lilj]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I just feel that class restricted crafted armor is a step in the wrong direction. I hope it is ok to say that.</blockquote>Of course it's ok to say that, well, as long as it's said politely and constructively per the forum rules of conduct.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Sorry if I sounded a bit flippant, it's the day before release and I think we're all a bit light-headed!  In fact the cloth armor was already changed so when it hits live you should find it consistent with lower level cloth, ie, wearable by everyone.I still want an easy button though.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Sounds good and much thanks for that <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I am very happy we can all wear cloth again.Domino, take a break when you can, you sound like you could use some sleep and rest. I'm getting a tad concerned for you <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I hope you didn't take my post as negative, it definitely wasn't meant to be negative. I really do look forward to the stuff you have put in for us in RoK.So far it seems (and I haven't even seen it yet!) you have done a very good job!

[troodon]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Um, I think your sense of humor is inhibited.edit:  reading down further, apparently either a lot of people's senses of humor took a walk, or I shoulda thrown in an emoticon or something.</blockquote>I don't think it was a lack of a sense of humor so much as the total out-of-placeyness of your remark.  No one was asking for something to be made easier, they were asking for something to be made available.  As such, an easy button joke (while normally hilarious, though I prefer the "I win" button spinoff) didn't seem to have much purpose in a response

[SweetSynergy]

<cite>Pibu wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Wow, that is very constructive feedback from both an allakhazam manager and a dev.  I thought it was your jobs to give constructive feedback to people who are asking questions.  How much more condescending can you both get? </p></blockquote>Leave  DominoDev alone!!!  I dare you to find a dev that has been more responsive on these forums in the past few years and it is post like these why there aren't more.  And it is not Calthine's job to be helpful on this forum she can have fun here <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Also being the day before launch I'm betting all the devs are soo messed up on coffee/sugar/alcohol(or is that the night after launch for that one) that we are luck to get any response from them and they are allowed to have their fun.</blockquote><p>Pardon me, i have t he highest respect for the work domino has done for the community over all  and love the work she has done,  and as for calthine, if its not her job to be helpful, then why does she have the title she has? </p><p>You may find what they said funny but some didnt and it did not even come out as sounding like a joke, it was condescending to a question asked.   If you dont know the difference look it up. I too can say something condescending and put a smiley face at the end of it, just like this <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> it wouldnt change the tone.  </p><p>As to you calthine, my sense of humour is just fine and  can see a joke when its there.  If you didnt notice, a couple of others didnt see it as a joke either and im sure their sense of humour is fine too.   My father always said, if you dont have something constructive to say, dont say it at all.   But kudos to you, you scored points for your attempts at humour while totally ignoring the ops point <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p>

[Maroger]

<cite>Belaythien wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Belaythien wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are WAY too many class restricted items out there already, and this will only make it worse. All these restriction tags on everything... it's getting too much, do you ask me. </blockquote>I totally agree with you. One of the things I don't like about EQ2 is the abundance of restrictions. Almost everything has additional restrictions: spells, mobs, items, etc. Sometimes spells or items have more text stating restrictions than the actual effect or bonus uses <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Class/no-trade/lore restrictions (among others) are used too often.</blockquote>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>What's that got to do with easy? All these "artificial" added restrictions are just a sign that the game system is slowly falling apart, because it has to be patched (not in the good progressive way) everywhere <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />.Restrictions are getting all esoteric like a spell or item only works on even dates, while the moon is waning, the mob is not epic and the amount of copper you carry has to be divisible by a prime with no more than 3 digits. It's just unintuitive and annoying. Rember when they made all non-crafted earrings lore? What's that got to do with lore? It's just some restriction to fix some issue with a rough hack.Edit: No offense intended but many of these restrictions are simply hard to understand and appear to be rather random.</blockquote>These restriction are the EZ-Mode  way to balance the system without unduly having to recode too much stuff.  This is for SOE the cost-effective way to do it -- this does not mean it is the BEST way rather the most cost-effective way. Often this takes place as the result of intense whining by one group or another.

[Cadori Seraphim]

Lets all calm down and eat some cookies and drink some milk and give one another hugs!

[Calthine]

<cite>Sidora@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lets all calm down and eat some cookies and drink some milk and give one another hugs!</blockquote>No kidding!  Some people are a bit stressed.

[Calthine]

<cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Pardon me, i have t he highest respect for the work domino has done for the community over all  and love the work she has done,  and as for calthine, if its not her job to be helpful, then why does she have the title she has?</blockquote>I'm sorry my comment struck you wrong and I've apologized, now kindly get off my [Removed for Content].   One non-helpful, humorous (although obviously mis-timed)  comment in a thread and you're jumping down my throat.  Gimme a break. 

[Rashaak]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Whatdya want, an easy button?</blockquote>Um ... yes please!  Where do I sign up!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Wow, that is very constructive feedback from both an allakhazam manager and a dev.  I thought it was your jobs to give constructive feedback to people who are asking questions.  How much more condescending can you both get?</p></blockquote>Um, I think your sense of humor is inhibited.edit:  reading down further, apparently either a lot of people's senses of humor took a walk, or I shoulda thrown in an emoticon or something.</blockquote><p>Bleh!</p><p>Ignore it Calthine...</p><p>Some ppl just don't understand....</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

I think it's just the anticipation of RoK thats getting to everyone.I am no where near happy with alot of the things RoK will bring, but hope they will be fixed eventually /crosses fingersThough I am still looking forward to RoK <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rashaak]

<p>Thats partly to do with it...</p><p>But for the most part...text/pic's can be cold sometimes and ppl mis-interrupt whats being said. It's common with forums and in-game text...</p>

[AratornCalahn]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SweetSynergy wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Pardon me, i have t he highest respect for the work domino has done for the community over all  and love the work she has done,  and as for calthine, if its not her job to be helpful, then why does she have the title she has?</blockquote>I'm sorry my comment struck you wrong and I've apologized, now kindly get off my [I cannot control my vocabulary].   One non-helpful, humorous (although obviously mis-timed)  comment in a thread and you're jumping down my throat.  Gimme a break.  </blockquote>Arn't people fun. You think its all going well but then you make a joke in a meeting with a foriegn dignatory and suddenly there is mass protests and people calling for you job. You try and correct the situation with another joke, thinking people didn't get it the first time but now you have a Fatwah on your head and big pictures of your face being burned in the street while being hit with shoes.Fickle bunch, easy quelled though. Most of the time it just takes a few sexy dancing girls to do the trick - suddenly your compeletly fogotten about! If that isn't strong enough there is always the idea of a few hangings or beheadings and everything is okay again.But, oh well, what can you do.