RoK Info for the Fury? [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

quetzaqotl

11-10-2007, 08:52 AM

Oh and here is a disclaimer I was invited into beta about 1.5 weeks before it goes live so yeah couldnt test everything but did my best lol.Hibernation if you guys checked it closely will have a 5s redux on termination meaning it will proc after 5 secs when you are wearing more than 2 pieces of our class specific armor which is ofc very bad (furies in beta have been up in arms about it but no change yet).Also the pics I took of the spells were with aas in effect so for instance the recast of out dmg spells the +int to out wis/int buff and falling dmg redux etc. are from that I had energy line/animalism line int line and agi line maxxed out at that time.ALL PICS WERE TAKE WITH 844 int and wearing a full set of our class specific fabled armor.(also I heard there are 2 sets of class specific armor but didnt get to see it) my fully fabled test toon was on beta pvp as only just recently they made it so that you could beta buff to 80 on pve.

Devilsbane

11-10-2007, 09:49 AM

I do not see anything about a +15% stealth/Invis speed boost! Guess we will be seeing a lot more Dark Elf Furies after RoK is released. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Almanac

11-11-2007, 02:42 AM

Thanks for sharing this information quetzaqotl, it is very helpful. I really, really hope that the new spell name is a temporary placeholder until they come up with something better. If not the dev who came up with it needs to be beaten. I mean, come on, "Ball Lightning"? It just doesn' t sound right. As far as the actual spell effect, I'm a little disapointed that its yet another AOE damage spell. It seems too similar in concept to Call of Storms to me. We are supposed to be healers right? How about a new heal spell?Sorry if I sound like I"m complaining too much, these are just my initial thoughts without any filtering. Thanks again for sharing quetzaqotl.

quetzaqotl

11-11-2007, 08:47 AM

You're welcome, yeah the name is a bit tarded even ball of lightning wouldve been better, or thunderball, ball of storms, stormball, or whatever lol.I also feel this is another COS added to our spell list, but then how COS shouldve been personally I feel this devalues COS even more I mean this spell is so much more useful and powerful and it does the same: damage to all nearby.So i hope theyll do something to COS (we can only hope) but seeing as they added a new version of COS (call of Karana hmmm COK) I doubt it.

xOnaton1

11-11-2007, 10:42 AM

People in beta can't talk specifically about feedback and changes in that have already happened, but yes, a lot of furies aren't happy that we're the only healer that doesn't get a new level 80 heal spell. Ball lightning was feedbacked pretty heavily and already changed a couple times. I think it would be best to try focusing feedback on other spells that are almost never used or broken. (Does Feast still not finish if another group finishes off the target?)Othesus - Dirge - Lucan DLereVaspar - Fury - Lucan DLere

TheSpin

11-11-2007, 11:47 AM

I'm a non fury, but after reading the spell descriptoins for the new spells I thought it was exactly what the druid classes needed to give the fury the obvious dps edge and the warden the obvious healing edge. Many people have felt like warden and fury were too close on healing and that fuy dps was so much better that there was no point in rolling a warden. Now there is a definate reason to choose one over the other.

JonnAndCo

11-11-2007, 12:01 PM

How many druid rings do we get in Kunark? Which zones?Thanks,

quetzaqotl

11-11-2007, 01:39 PM

as a comparison this is what the fury fabled armor looked like before they changed it to the armor the gnome fury in previous pics is wearing.This pic is borrowed from Gabriellex I hope you dont mind me posting this here <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.<img src="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/9385/furyarmorsetlook1dp6.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="442" height="978" /><img src="http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/5803/furyarmorsetlook2ny3.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="373" height="941" />This armor looks a lot slicker and sicker hope theyll make the armor look like this again (or maybe as the 2nd fabled set?) this is one of the first leather armor designs I like for a fury (mudflaps should go imo but even with them) nice red shiny leather <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />

Fijiram

11-11-2007, 07:28 PM

Sad thing is , people just can't get over the fact that fury are meant to be offensive and instead of just rerolling a class that fits them , they [Removed for Content] about *fixing* a class working as intented.fyi , we dont need a new heal.

UmanAsi

11-11-2007, 09:36 PM

FYI, we are a healer, we are in the healer bracket. All the other healers got a HEAL... we should too

illaria

11-11-2007, 10:49 PM

WOW i loved that second set of armor

Almanac

11-11-2007, 11:02 PM

<cite>Fijiram@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sad thing is , people just can't get over the fact that fury are meant to be offensive and instead of just rerolling a class that fits them , they [I cannot control my vocabulary] about *fixing* a class working as intented.fyi , we dont need a new heal.</blockquote>I understand we are supposed to be offensive healers, but in the past the emphasis has always been on being healers first, with spell damage second (as it should be imo, we are in the priest archetype, and all priests are supposed to be able to fill the role of healer in a group roughly equally). Overall I'm pretty happy with the fury class, I don't know that it really think it needs "fixing". It just seems odd to me that the past two expansions we haven't gotten a single new heal spell (other than upgrades), instead we get these AOE attack spells that we can only pull out in special circumstances. If not a heal, at least make it a damage spell that I can use all the time (read: in dungeons with thin walls) without fear of wiping my group.

vagrant13

11-12-2007, 03:39 AM

<cite>Fijiram@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sad thing is , people just can't get over the fact that fury are meant to be offensive and instead of just rerolling a class that fits them , they [I cannot control my vocabulary] about *fixing* a class working as intented.fyi , we dont need a new heal.</blockquote>We are priests, not sorcerers. Granted we are the offensive priests but without giving us an extra heal as they did the other priests, it sorta lowers our viability as healers in group and raid settings. Cast Ball of Lightning in a raid and see what it does for you. I have no problem with the spell but i won't be using it when grouped or raiding as I don't like to stand under mobs because I can be kinda squishy. Its more a solo/pvp spell. One less heal spell can mean the difference between winning or wiping.

Spikes

11-12-2007, 06:13 AM

*shrug* ANOTHER red armor?? The EoF legendary and fable set are red, why not give us a different color like the KoS fable? since karana is coming back....would be cool to have a blue armor.

Verrie77

11-12-2007, 07:57 AM

Cant see the text very good..but does Ball Lightning stun you..like Call of Storms does?And one thing that really needs petition is our Urchin...really really it does, it should be raidwide..not only group.I dont even have it on my hotbar.And also Summoning Food and Water.

TheSpin

11-12-2007, 08:07 AM

As a non-fury, I think it's about time SoE decided to draw the line and distinguish Furies from Wardens. By giving you a nuke and wardens a heal it does exactly what was needed to make people really consider which priest they want to roll. Furies are such a common recomendation to new players because their and healing is practically on par with every other healer and their dps is way above the rest. I can definately understand how some of you are upset, but now you can choose to be a better healer (warden), or be a better dpser (fury) rather than having them both.

Rattfa

11-12-2007, 08:32 AM

As much as I am looking forward to our new spell, I would have preferred a new heal spell. From my perspective a Furys ability to put out HIGH dps is quite situational, and definately not something we can do 100% of the time. We are healers first, DPS second, but with this we are now at a disadvantage to other healers. Currently I can solo heal anywhere (havent tried it in SoF) and now we have less healing ability compared to others. Nobody is going to pick a fury for pure DPS...and now there's less reason to pick a fury as a pure healer.

quetzaqotl

11-12-2007, 08:36 AM

well there are many possible ways to distinguish wardens from furies, giving one a heal other a dps spell is the easiest, they couldve gone for letting furies buffing dps even more and letting wardens buff defense or giving fury a useful debuff which would make the whole raid damage a mob more.Personally I wouldve loved ball lightning in kos and in rok I wouldve loved a spell which augments your group to do more dmg or bring the mobs defenses down, but thats just me. Ball lightning doesnt stun you so thats nice it does more damage than cos so yeah makes you wonder even more why COS stunned us in the first place imo.

Catsy

11-12-2007, 01:46 PM

<cite>Almanac wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I understand we are supposed to be offensive healers, but in the past the emphasis has always been on being healers first, with spell damage second (as it should be imo, we are in the priest archetype, and all priests are supposed to be able to fill the role of healer in a group roughly equally).</blockquote>Bollocks. All healers are not equal, and never have been. It's not just a question of who can remedy the most incoming damage, it's a question of circumstance. Shamans are the first line of defense, preventing damage from even occurring--and at that, a Defiler has a big advantage in Soul Ward for pre-pull warding. Clerics are next with their powerful reactives but slow-casting DHs, with Inqs being the offensive half of the pair. And then you have druids for the ability to pump out sheer regenerative power, with Furies being the offensive ones.I have no complaints about our ability to heal. I can solo-heal any zone in the game--including in RoK--and I have no problem keeping my group alive in raid by myself. And yes, we are priests first and any fury planning on grouping should remember that their first responsibility is keeping the group alive.But we are offensive healers, any raiding fury worth their salt should be specced to maximize their DPS, and I have no complaints at all about us getting a new offensive spell in RoK, particularly an AE.As for the person who said to cast Ball Lightning in raid to see what it does for you--the answer is, about 400 DPS. I'm looking forward to using it. :>

TehDrunkenFury

11-12-2007, 03:11 PM

I'm actually looking forward to BoL. For both PvE & PvP. Right now I'm ad3'd out (I just reactivated a month ago, after a betrayal), and I can pull a consistent 1.5k DPS on raids. I managed to pull 1.9k the other night on EH 3rd flr trash w/o even a troub. So ya, gimme BoL. Infusion, Vortex, Ring of Fire, Ball of Lightning, and let the nukes + group heals roll tbh.

quetzaqotl

11-12-2007, 07:21 PM

Well one thing that could be bad or good is ball of lightning follows you around at crippled snail speed so you could cast it and walk back for it to do some damage for some situations a faster following ball would be better but yeah ball is a nice spell it just points out "the suck" of cos (yeayeah cos is nice for farming lots of green mobs, but the expansion has more mobs which hit harder Im curious to see how well this will work out) still BOL>>>>>>cos hands down

Faelia

11-12-2007, 07:24 PM

<cite>Fijiram@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Sad thing is , people just can't get over the fact that fury are meant to be offensive and instead of just rerolling a class that fits them , they [I cannot control my vocabulary] about *fixing* a class working as intented.fyi , we dont need a new heal.</blockquote>You realize your logic works against you, yes? Perhaps the Furies who think they don't need a new heal when -every- other healer got one should reroll to a class that fits them.Plus, necros and even -illusionists- got a heal or damage absorber ability at 80 and we didn't. Just can't see any logic in giving a level 80 heal to every single healer, necros and illusionists but not Furies. It's silly. We're getting stuck with a spell that will probably be nothing more that situational whereas every other healer got one that will be a major part of their spell line up. Could end up being a pretty big sacrifice to pay just to say "look they're different than wardens now!"

kahonen

11-12-2007, 08:03 PM

<cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>... Perhaps the Furies who think they don't need a new heal when -every- other healer got one should reroll to a class that fits them.</blockquote>I think you've missed the point.The Fury class DOES fit me. The reason it fits me is because of the very fact it's different to the other healers.I don't want another heal and to be honest, anyone who plays a fury and wants another heal simply because "every other healer got one" really needs to think more about what a fury is and what a fury does. Perhaps it is the people who clearly don't understand furies that need to "reroll to a class that fits them".

Faelia

11-12-2007, 08:13 PM

<cite>kahonen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>... Perhaps the Furies who think they don't need a new heal when -every- other healer got one should reroll to a class that fits them.</blockquote>I think you've missed the point.The Fury class DOES fit me. The reason it fits me is because of the very fact it's different to the other healers.I don't want another heal and to be honest, anyone who plays a fury and wants another heal simply because "every other healer got one" really needs to think more about what a fury is and what a fury does. Perhaps it is the people who clearly don't understand furies that need to "reroll to a class that fits them".</blockquote>Sorry to break this to you but a fury is a healer, a subset of the priest class. Perhaps you needed to play a Necro?

Almanac

11-12-2007, 09:22 PM

<cite>Sotanyavejin@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Almanac wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I understand we are supposed to be offensive healers, but in the past the emphasis has always been on being healers first, with spell damage second (as it should be imo, we are in the priest archetype, and all priests are supposed to be able to fill the role of healer in a group roughly equally).</blockquote>Bollocks. All healers are not equal, and never have been. It's not just a question of who can remedy the most incoming damage, it's a question of circumstance. Shamans are the first line of defense, preventing damage from even occurring--and at that, a Defiler has a big advantage in Soul Ward for pre-pull warding. Clerics are next with their powerful reactives but slow-casting DHs, with Inqs being the offensive half of the pair. And then you have druids for the ability to pump out sheer regenerative power, with Furies being the offensive ones.I have no complaints about our ability to heal. I can solo-heal any zone in the game--including in RoK--and I have no problem keeping my group alive in raid by myself. And yes, we are priests first and any fury planning on grouping should remember that their first responsibility is keeping the group alive.But we are offensive healers, any raiding fury worth their salt should be specced to maximize their DPS, and I have no complaints at all about us getting a new offensive spell in RoK, particularly an AE.As for the person who said to cast Ball Lightning in raid to see what it does for you--the answer is, about 400 DPS. I'm looking forward to using it. :></blockquote>Bollocks right back to you. I never said all healers are supposed to be equal, I said the intent is that all priest archetype classes are supposed to be able to fulfill the role of healer (that is, the person in the group who's primary job is to heal) roughly equally. This means that while some priest classes will be better than others in some situations, any priest class, including fury, should be able to perform the role of primary healer in a group. The examples you laid out are correct as far as I can tell, the point is that a group is and should be willing to take any healer to fulfill the primary healer job. And in my opinion, this is how it currently works, we are in fact quite capable healers and can fill the primary healer role just fine. I have no complaints about our ability to heal either. All I'm saying is that it would be nice to get something else other than yet another AOE attack spell that I can only pull out in special circumstances. Whether that is a heal or an encounter-only AOE attack or a debuff or a single target attack, or whatever, I don't care. Just something other than another AOE, and a stupidly named one at that. I wouldn't mind if they replaced Call of Storms with this new spell effect, and then created something different for our new level 80 spell. Probably won't happen though.

Radigazt

11-13-2007, 02:28 AM

<cite>UmanAsika wrote:</cite><blockquote>FYI, we are a healer, we are in the healer bracket. All the other healers got a HEAL... we should too</blockquote>I realize you're responding to someone else, so please forgive me for chiming in. But, I disagree with you categorically. We are Furies ... our archetype is Priests ... nowhere does that say "healers." I used to play a Bruiser ... same story, not really a pure tank, it's a hybrid tank/dps class. A fury is a hybrid healer/dps class. You say we're in the healer bracket, I say we're there with an asterik that says "*Spell DPS first, backup healer second ... but if they want to concentrate on being a pure healer, they can do an adequate job." Personally, I specced for dps all the way, and my secondary area of concentration is snares/roots. I'm a backup healer, not a primary healer. I definitely think it would be wrong to give us another heal ... it's hiding our bright light of dps under a bushel. Kudos to the Devs for doing the right thing and recognizing we're the spell DPS class of the Priest archetype. Can we heal, yes, but honestly, if all we're doing is healing I'd feel like a non-DPS and non-stun Bruiser, and that's just not right. That having been said, I dislike the set gear having a set bonus that reduces the 10 second delay before healing of Hibernate and reducing that to a 5 second delay. Sure, we may get an extra tick in with the shorter delay, but it's that longer delay that makes Hibernation so valuable to most of us Furies.

genesis013

11-13-2007, 05:54 AM

Furies got an extra heal, its called hibernation... wardens got what...the tree?? We do not need another heal, we already have more heals than any other priest including back into the fray. And as far as just saying were a priest we should get heals is stupid. Every archtype has classes that vary quite a bit from eachother... troubodor and assassin are quite different yet they lie in the scout line... each has different tastes. The taste furies in the priest archtype should have is for damage, because that is what we are built for as well has being adequate healers. The post earlier saying to re roll if you are un satisfied is true, because there is a class waiting for you and everything your asking for , its called warden. Can't have everything as a fury sorry so sad.

Nekomi

11-13-2007, 07:51 AM

Another observation...there have been a LOT of complaints on the beta boards about mob balance (which was my experience). Since many furies solo, I just wanted to give a heads up...a lot of the mobs in Kunark were underconned as recently as this weekend, so be careful out there. Actually, the thought is that they hit too hard for their lvl/hps, so the root and nuke folk weren't as unhappy (except that the roots didn't hold as well as some would like).Those things might get tweaked by time you get to these mobs, but even solo mobs w/o any arrows were a bit of a challenge last time I looked. Some people might prefer to get another level or two out of EoF before getting too deep into RoK.

quetzaqotl

11-13-2007, 10:33 AM

I didnt have a problem soloing gathering up a couple of mobs and burning them down, one funny thing is caster/ranged mobs now stay ranged and shoot you from afar which is something new and cool imo.But what I wanted to say yes some mobs hit hard but let me tell you enjoyed using my animal charm for one of the first times you can charm some lvl 70 solo mobs which hit for over 1 k and have some specials so no longer are we stuck charming spiders and other [Removed for Content] mobs who mostly autoattack I could charm this dog like mob which was an assasin and had some fun soloing with him, he could tank for me sorta at times it was hard to pull aggro off of him if he opened up the fight so goodness there imo <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

kahonen

11-13-2007, 10:36 AM

<cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kahonen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>... Perhaps the Furies who think they don't need a new heal when -every- other healer got one should reroll to a class that fits them.</blockquote>I think you've missed the point.The Fury class DOES fit me. The reason it fits me is because of the very fact it's different to the other healers.I don't want another heal and to be honest, anyone who plays a fury and wants another heal simply because "every other healer got one" really needs to think more about what a fury is and what a fury does. Perhaps it is the people who clearly don't understand furies that need to "reroll to a class that fits them".</blockquote>Sorry to break this to you but a fury is a healer, a subset of the priest class. Perhaps you needed to play a Necro?</blockquote>Once again, you appear to have totally missed the point.Not a single person in the whole of this thread has denied or in any way doubted that a fury is a healer. When I chose to play a fury, however, I chose to play a healer that was different. I wanted a healer who could look after himself while at the same time looking after the people grouped with him. I don't care how you choose to play your fury but my role (particularly in raids) is as a secondary healer, usually in a caster group that also has very good DPS abilities. Currently, I have no problems soloing or grouping and in raids I can keep my group alive while turning in 1500+ DPS on a fairly regular basis. That is what my guild expects of me and that is what I do.I have no doubt that all of my current healing spells will be upgraded to some degree in RoK (when it appears) and I am entirely happy with those upgrades. I can solo heal all of the instances I have been in and have no doubt I'll be able to do the same (or better) with the upgrades. The fact we are being given an offensive spell instead of a heal is good as far as I'm concerned. All it's doing is making us even more different and I'm all in favour of that.If you want to play "a healer" who is just "a healer" why on earth would you possibly choose to play a fury?Vive la Difference!

quetzaqotl

11-13-2007, 10:57 AM

Maybe why people playing a fury see their class's role differently is b/c some of us picked a fury in 2004 where wardens and furies were mostly the same (well not really at that time a warden was better at everything almost godbless lu13) and the difference at least how it was presented was that furies would be the dps buffers (with all those proc buffs I kinda miss those I dont miss recasting every 5 mins on everyone in my grp tho)and wardens the defensive buffers of the druids.Ofc after LU13 a lot has changed as furies were made more capable healers (dof gave us bitf and hibernation 2 awesome spells) and for a healer good dps, now we see SOE adding more and more dmg spells/dps to furies instead of heals (KOS EOF and ROK) so its kinda clear they want to move us into that direction.I wouldnt ve minded furies doing less dps but adding a lot more to our grp tho I always liked the idea of us adding a ton of dps and making the grp kill stuff faster therefore not needing to heal as much as for instance a templar, that was my idea of the fury class when I picked it in 2004 but SOE never went down that road and went more with the dps healer thing.Im fine with that too, but I think thats why theres this different view of furies as we got changed quite a bit.We get upgrades to hibernation and bitf so im fine with that here, still I'll say it again now we'll get Ball lightning i hate COS even more (ditch the stun and make it a pet better yet change it into a grp friendly spell upping casting speed or +crit +power or whatever or adding a dmg proc wouldnt even mind the stun if it would add decent dps to a mage grp).SOE should really change that spell together with: feast (proc off kills in other grps and add bigger regen/haste), fae flames (make it proc off spells too pls), intimidation (ehh make it useful?), irr swarm (make the debuff useful again or turn it into a stiffle dot like how they made it in fd), lion form (adding 300 hp isnt that hot) prolly forgot some other spells but yeah hope they will ever look at those spells as they still are subpar imo we keep getting upgrades to some of those spells but still they stay [I cannot control my vocabulary].

Faelia

11-13-2007, 06:48 PM

I certainly don't want this to degrade into an argument, as Fury is beyond a doubt the most divided class in regards to what our primary role is. In my opinion, we are a healer class primarily. Our final spell should have reflected that.Someone above said we're not a healer just because we're a part of the priest tree, and that's just a baffling comment.

Gutwren

11-13-2007, 07:17 PM

<cite>TehDrunkenFury wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm actually looking forward to BoL. For both PvE & PvP. Right now I'm ad3'd out (I just reactivated a month ago, after a betrayal), and I can pull a consistent 1.5k DPS on raids. I managed to pull 1.9k the other night on EH 3rd flr trash w/o even a troub. So ya, gimme BoL. Infusion, Vortex, Ring of Fire, Ball of Lightning, and let the nukes + group heals roll tbh. </blockquote>Yea, broke 2.4k on a single mob pull in EH, suprised myself with that one. (crappy gear and was Apping to a guild [best heals in the guild druid wise and I got turned down for being too much of a "mage wannabe" just because people got their panties in a twist about that one parse]).But yea, BoL looks nice if it will really add 400 DPS~And any Fury that is ignorant enough to say they are not a main healer probably do need to reroll.I love to parse, and I parse as much as I can, as often as I can, even if I'm the only healer of a group.I heal. Then I damage. And I blow as much power as I can to do both. And it's not problem to get it back up.Heal first, then parse as high as you possibly can. I am spec'd to do pure DPS, and I can solo heal most groups just fine.

Radigazt

11-14-2007, 01:04 AM

<cite>Gutwrench wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TehDrunkenFury wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm actually looking forward to BoL. For both PvE & PvP. Right now I'm ad3'd out (I just reactivated a month ago, after a betrayal), and I can pull a consistent 1.5k DPS on raids. I managed to pull 1.9k the other night on EH 3rd flr trash w/o even a troub. So ya, gimme BoL. Infusion, Vortex, Ring of Fire, Ball of Lightning, and let the nukes + group heals roll tbh. </blockquote>Yea, broke 2.4k on a single mob pull in EH, suprised myself with that one. (crappy gear and was Apping to a guild [best heals in the guild druid wise and I got turned down for being too much of a "mage wannabe" just because people got their panties in a twist about that one parse]).But yea, BoL looks nice if it will really add 400 DPS~And any Fury that is ignorant enough to say they are not a main healer probably do need to reroll.I love to parse, and I parse as much as I can, as often as I can, even if I'm the only healer of a group.I heal. Then I damage. And I blow as much power as I can to do both. And it's not problem to get it back up.Heal first, then parse as high as you possibly can. I am spec'd to do pure DPS, and I can solo heal most groups just fine.</blockquote>LOL! If you can't heal using a group HoT, single target HoT, an uber-heal like Back Into the Fray (and it's upgrade) and a super-neat anticipatory heal Hibernation, then you have a problem. I never said Furies were unable to heal ... I said that doing nothing but healing is hiding our light under a bushel. I couldn't be more happy with my furies ... yeah, I have several. You yourself just bragged about your 2.4k .... and you're looking forward to BoL's DPS ... you may consider yourself a main healer, that's fine by me, but surely you consider yourself to be a decent DPS'er, or else you wouldn't be so concerned with those things. As for re-rolling, you've got to be kidding me. <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I love hybrid classes, that's why I had a Bruiser. I'm a Priest, but that doesn't mean I need to forego energy vortex to heal all the time, or let my maxxed spell crits sit there because I'm just a healer. Heck no, I'm a hybrid, and that's far more interesting to play than a one-trick-healing-pony. You play your Fury any way you like, just don't try to tell me that I'm a "healer" because I can heal. A Necro can heal, a Monk can heal, a Bruiser can heal, a Paladin can heal, etc. I'm a Priest, and I happen to embrace the role of hybrid dpser/healer/snarer/rooter/buffer/debuffer/allinonecanowh00pazz. So yeah, I'm completely unsurprised that we got an 80 that's a damage spell, I expected it, and I'm quite happy the Devs did that. But hey, if you wanna be just a healer, by all means, do whatever floats your boat.

TehDrunkenFury

11-14-2007, 10:15 AM

Even a fury without any real crit gear, if they're a dark elf, can hit 40% crit solo. If they're a DE they can self buff to 45%. With troub buff, 52%A lot of end game (RoK) gear has +spell crit on it. I imagine a decked out fury could be sitting at ~50%. A buffed up one with procs may be able to hit >70%Ya 70% crit, with vortex and infusion on. Besides, who needs to heal on trash anyway tbh.

Faelia

11-15-2007, 09:39 PM

As far as AA specs go, it becomes pretty irrelevant now when you hit 140. At that point you can have almost all of the dps and healing/buffing aas that are worth having. You can max out almost three druid trees now, and have str/agi/stam, str/stam/int - whatever.Vexus - you're a healer. A Fury is a healer. We heal. We get invited to groups as a healer unless the group can't find a better dps and is desperate. Sorry, but your'e a healer. You can add dps as much as you like but when your group mates start taking damage, you're not trying to burn the mob down fast with dps to kill it before your group member dies. You're..... healing. Why? Because you're a healer.

Ferunnia

11-16-2007, 01:52 PM

This board makes me want to go off on people...wrong place...ok, am calmer now. Why and the hell are you people telling each other what we are or aren't? Does it really make a [Removed for Content] to you what another fury tries to play as? Shuttup and move on and be more secure in what you are without having to push your thoughts on a class on others...this is one of the only classes you can take and make into multiple roles...enjoy it, and do your own thing.What each of you thinks this class is is irrelevant. If you can't discuss without arguing or whining, suck it up and move on, never look back and pretend this board doesn't exist. This thread is called "RoK Info for the Fury", not wahh, I didn't get what everyone else got now I'm gonna suck omgz0r. Contribute something about RoK or make your own whine thread.

Faelia

11-16-2007, 03:40 PM

<cite>Ferunnia wrote:</cite><blockquote>This board makes me want to go off on people...wrong place...ok, am calmer now. Why and the hell are you people telling each other what we are or aren't? Does it really make a [I cannot control my vocabulary] to you what another fury tries to play as? Shuttup and move on and be more secure in what you are without having to push your thoughts on a class on others...this is one of the only classes you can take and make into multiple roles...enjoy it, and do your own thing.What each of you thinks this class is is irrelevant. If you can't discuss without arguing or whining, suck it up and move on, never look back and pretend this board doesn't exist. This thread is called "RoK Info for the Fury", not wahh, I didn't get what everyone else got now I'm gonna suck omgz0r. Contribute something about RoK or make your own whine thread.</blockquote><3 people that whine about what they consider to be whining.

Gutwren

11-16-2007, 04:06 PM

Seriously... if a Fury refuses to heal in order to DPS, I don't see them going anywhere... Unless they are RECRUITED to DPS.I know I can outparse a lot of nukers which is why if I app for a guild I will put in a note that if they don't want a healer I can app as damage.

Ferunnia

11-16-2007, 08:35 PM

<cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ferunnia wrote:</cite><blockquote>This board makes me want to go off on people...wrong place...ok, am calmer now. Why and the hell are you people telling each other what we are or aren't? Does it really make a [I cannot control my vocabulary] to you what another fury tries to play as? Shuttup and move on and be more secure in what you are without having to push your thoughts on a class on others...this is one of the only classes you can take and make into multiple roles...enjoy it, and do your own thing.What each of you thinks this class is is irrelevant. If you can't discuss without arguing or whining, suck it up and move on, never look back and pretend this board doesn't exist. This thread is called "RoK Info for the Fury", not wahh, I didn't get what everyone else got now I'm gonna suck omgz0r. Contribute something about RoK or make your own whine thread.</blockquote><3 people that whine about what they consider to be whining.</blockquote>As long as you're loving something instead of telling people what they are it's all good. Still, no useful RoK infoz? How's everyone doing soloing so far? Any cool new gear?

Radigazt

11-17-2007, 01:07 AM

<cite>Faelia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Vexus - you're a healer. A Fury is a healer. We heal. We get invited to groups as a healer unless the group can't find a better dps and is desperate. Sorry, but your'e a healer. You can add dps as much as you like but when your group mates start taking damage, you're not trying to burn the mob down fast with dps to kill it before your group member dies. You're..... healing. Why? Because you're a healer.</blockquote>Well, I guess it depends on what your group is. If your group is 6 people which consists of 1 tank, 1 scout and 4 healers ... no, I'm not a primary healer, I'm a backup healer. You may live to raid, but I do not. I am here to PvP, so you telling me I'm a healer because you heal on mind-numbingly repetitive and poor AI doesn't really convince me, sorry, but I'm a hybrid DPS/Healer, combo, multitalented class. If I'm the only Priest in the group, frankly, I'm bored out of my mind. I play the game with one hand while try to pry my eyes back open with the other one. No, I'm not the same type of player you are, and I don't have to be. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Radigazt

11-17-2007, 01:14 AM

<cite>Gutwrench wrote:</cite><blockquote>Seriously... if a Fury refuses to heal in order to DPS, I don't see them going anywhere... Unless they are RECRUITED to DPS.I know I can outparse a lot of nukers which is why if I app for a guild I will put in a note that if they don't want a healer I can app as damage.</blockquote>OK, this may be a little different than what you're used to, but what if you didn't apply to aa guild? What if you are already in a guild with your friends? What if your purpose wasn't to raid, but rather to PvP? Well all of those things apply to me, and I'm fortunate enough to enjoy the game as a PvP game instead of a Raiding game. If your perspective is that of a raider, fine, but there are other people who play Furies that don't raid. Some of us actually prioritize PvP'ing above Raiding, and for us, it seems rather silly to pigeon hole us into the role of healer first and everything else second. Personally, the thing that made me happiest was when they introduced PvP gear that was on par or better than most raid gear. So, I didn't have to grind AI anymore, I could PvP and not be out-geared all the time. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

baddog

11-17-2007, 06:23 PM

<cite>Vexus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you can't heal using a group HoT, single target HoT, an uber-heal like Back Into the Fray (and it's upgrade) and a super-neat anticipatory heal Hibernation, then you have a problem. </blockquote>FYI .... Trash heroics in Sibelis are hitting for 7.5k + , good luck with your 1 & 2k heals.

UmanAsi

11-17-2007, 11:28 PM

FYI heroics, are not suppose to be solo mobs.. HEROIC groups consist of a group, duh. But on that note, I can solo yellow ^ mobs, most the time I don't even have to root, hot, and nuke. I am spec'd for dps and partly heals. I have a 30% crit chance damage, and 23% heal crit. It is very easy to solo these mobs. As for the fury a healer or dps, If I want to, I can out parse alot of players, if I vortex, it takes someone else doing their best to keep on par with my dps. The fury is a great dps, but if you want to just heal, and spec for healing, they are also a wonderful healer. I chose to split down the middle