Tradeskill / class pairing

[Vodevil72]

I admit it, I'm an ex-wow junkie moving to EQ2 for a change. In wow there were tradeskills that just went well with classes. Is the same true for EQ2? Obviously if you're a mage there isn't much use in being an amorer or weaponsmith but what about woodworking vs. outfitter vs. tailor vs. etc... Which is best paired with a conjurer?Also, I'm having trouble finding links to "how-tos" for crafting that talk about the current system. It seems like things have changed at some point and crafting looks simpler now but I'm still not clear on what I can do to improve my crafting, if anything...Thanks

[UlteriorModem]

<p>Not really. But as you said some pairings just make logical fits.</p><p>I guess it depends on what you intend to do with your tradeskill Ie outfit yourself/alts or to sell and make money.</p><p> This thread should have enough links to confuse... er help you <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=347090" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=347090</a></p>

[Vodevil72]

Those links are where I started...which prompted me to post here! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Everything I've read talks about clicking on some sort of "ractionary" button or something while crafting. I don't see that so I assume they've changed crafting a bit? I was trying to find some crafting tutorials that were updated to the changes. Of course, I'm such a newb that those guides could be right and I just don't know what I'm doing! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[leonid]

<p>I not an expert crafter by any means, but the reactionary events are still in.</p><p>You have a set of tradeskill abilities that go with the different types of crafting.  While in the crafting process, some icons will appear at the the bottom of the window.  You need to click an ability with the same picture as the event that happened in order to counter it.</p>

[Talin74]

<p>Check the tradeskill tab in your knowledge book (K) for the reactive arts you've been reading about. The guides should make more sense to you then.</p>

[Vodevil72]

Oh...wow. I'm lost. Thanks...I'll check it tonight. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[UlteriorModem]

<cite>Vodevil72 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh...wow. I'm lost. Thanks...I'll check it tonight. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Hopefully this will explain it all <a href="http://eq2.allakhazam.com/db/guides.html?guide=909" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.allakhazam.com/db/guides.html?guide=909</a>

[Finora]

<p>Heheh yeah, trades here are a bit more complicated than crafting in WoW =). Those guides are pretty up to date as far as I know. There've been few changes to trades since the big one that came...gosh, year and a half ago? Something like that, the one that removed subcombines. Only thing since has been some minor tweaks to power consumption/effects of reaction arts and some new recipes. The next upcoming change is getting rid of some of the poorer results, but that changes very very little in how you actually craft, who really wants stuff that isn't pristine (4th & highest level of quality) anyhow =).</p><p>As someone stated earlier, there are some combos that fit nicely together. Priest/mage as a sage. Scout as a jeweler or alchemist. Fighters as alchemists. Chain/plate wearers as armorsmiths. Mage types & leather wearers as tailors. That sort of thing. Lots of woodworking rangers.</p><p>Although I would suggest just really picking a trade you like to do. Despite similarities in how you manufacter your goods, there are lots of people who just love one trade but despise some of the others. </p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Vodevil72 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I admit it, I'm an ex-wow junkie moving to EQ2 for a change.</blockquote>How do people admit this to the public and not feel any embarassment? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Ulterior already provided you with the link I was going to provide over at Zam. You might also want to check out <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=q1&menustr=060000000000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Niami Denmother's site</a> as well. I use both very frequently.. regardless, Niami won't bake me cookies and Calthine won't date me. Go figure. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Vodevil72]

Well, after giving crafting another go, I have figured out the buttons and whatnot. However, I'm still not getting pristine but the guides I read make it sound super easy to get pristine. At level 10 should I be able to get pristine easily?

[TheSpin]

<p>Once you get level 10 and get your skill up you should be able to get pristine just about every time.</p><p>level 20 you get new progress arts, and then level 30 you'll get new durability arts.  Once you hit level 30 there's no way you should get anything other than pristine.</p>

[ShiningFantasia]

<p>Sage is a nice fit for a new mage to the game, since you will be able to make all of your spell upgrades as you level.  This means you won't have to spend lots of money buying spells from the broker.  It also has the nice benefit of being one of (if not the) easiest tradeskills to level, due to the number of recipes you get adding to the number of pristine xp bonuses you can get per level.  I've never had to "grind" to get through a level on my 60 sage; I simply go through my spellbook making every single spell to the adIV level.  I still have a few level 59 spells to make at 60 for the xp bonus.  And I can upgrade my spells to ad3 as needed by simply finding or buying the necessary rare gem.</p><p>Provisioner is also a nice tradeskill for making your own food and drink, since you will always need food and drink regardless of class or level.  It is a lot more "grinding" than sage however; but at least foodstuffs can often be found for 2c each on the broker, making it cheaper to level if you don't feel like harvesting a lot.</p><p>The outfitter classes are the most painful to level, imo; they get fewer recipes per level and use the more expensive/harder to find harvesting materials.  However, if you plan to level many alts, it can save you quite a bit of plat to be able to outfit them yourself instead of buying armor on the broker (especially if you pick up chain/plate wearing alts).</p><p> Crafting is definitely more time consuming than it was in WoW; but everything you make can be traded, and a level 1 adventurer can become a level 70 crafter since your main can gather all the materials you will ever need.  Therefore, you won't have to worry as much about making a wrong choice like you may have felt in WoW.</p><p>Hope this helps; happy crafting!</p>

[BeeJay]

<p>Whilst there are some obvious parings, mage/sage for example you'll probably find you'll end up with a small community of crafters to support your small community af alts. For example my mix of 4 alts have the following combinations and support each other</p><p>I have Fury/Tailor - makes my leather gear, bags (sell well), dolls and also cloth armor for my ....</p><p>Mage/Sage who makes spells for my caster alts</p><p>Mage/Provisioner, makes food/drinks for all my alts plus has good broker sales.</p><p>Fury/Jewler,  makes all my jewelry and symbols,  </p><p>So the 4 class combo's make me pretty much self sufficent with crafted gear, only thing missing is weapons, but as I only need 1 per alt per tier, thats no big loss.</p><p>If you play chain/plate class, you might want to think about armorsmith.</p><p>I also have a carpenter, good for boxes, sales crates and house status reduction furniture.</p>

[UlteriorModem]

<cite>TheSpin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Once you get level 10 and get your skill up you should be able to get pristine just about every time.</p><p>level 20 you get new progress arts, and then level 30 you'll get new durability arts.  Once you hit level 30 there's no way you should get anything other than pristine.</p></blockquote><p>I wouldent be so fillipant as to say "no way" though it does get easier. It depends alot on what trade skill your using and what your 'making'. Some trades are alot easier to get pristenes than others.</p><p>To the OP just dont forget to upgrade your trade skill 'spell' buttons as they progress. When you reach tier 2 (level 20) you should replace your tier 1 buttons with the new set.</p>

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>Vodevil72 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I admit it, I'm an ex-wow junkie moving to EQ2 for a change. In wow there were tradeskills that just went well with classes. Is the same true for EQ2? Obviously if you're a mage there isn't much use in being an amorer or weaponsmith but what about woodworking vs. outfitter vs. tailor vs. etc... Which is best paired with a conjurer?</blockquote><p>The best advise given is: Do what you like.</p><p>That being said, I have learned from starting new on three different servers, that the scholar branch of crafting lends itself to the greatest initial leveling.  Lots and lots of different items that can be crafted to get the pristine bonus xps.  This will level you quickly.  Craftsman and outfitter are viable crafting professions as well, but they level slower because of an overall lack of items to craft.  I'm not saying you won't enjoy those professions, but since you are just learning, I would stick with scholar.  Once you fine-tone your profession, I would venture out into the other profession with alts.</p><p>For Conjuror, I would rank tradeskills:</p><p>1a Sage (All your spells - easiest TS to level by far)1b Jeweler (All your jewelery including belts and off-hand baubles(tomes, orbs, symbol, etc..) - second easiest TS to level (tied with Alchy))2  Tailor (All your armor and your charms (hex dolls) - about mid range in leveling potential)3  Woodworker (Wooden weapons and expendable totems- dreadfully painful to level, the hardest in fact)4  Weaponsmith (Metal weapons - low end on leveling potentail, and sales usually aren't great (depends on your server though))5  Alchemist (Potions - second easiest TS to level (tied with Jeweler))6  Armorer (As stated, useless to you - on par with Tailor in leveling potential)Provisioner (food and drink) and Carpenter (housing items) were purposely left off the list because the items they produce are used by all toons regardless of class.  Wouldn't be fair to *rank* them.  Provisioners can get a steady income but require alot of crafting time.  Carpenter a bit less.  Again depends on your server and competition.</p>

[Vodevil72]

Thanks for the info. I went scribe last night so we'll see how it goes.