Switching from melee to something new

[RpTheHotrod]

<p>Well, I have hit 67 with huge success with a melee build. I've been able to solo ^^^ even cons for awhile, now.</p><p>Unfortunatly, things just hit FAR too hard now 67+, so melee is no longer viable. I was planning on switching over to healing anyway. Since I work strange hours, having the ability to melee solo really helped get me up in levels.</p><p>My question is this...is it worth going down the INT line for solo-ability still (how well can wardens root/nuke)? </p><p>My options are...</p><p>AGIL/STA</p><p>AGIL/INT</p><p>STA/INT</p><p>Wis seems kind of pointless, outside of self rez...but even that is pretty iffy.</p>

[MullenSkywatcher]

<cite>RpTheHotrod wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, I have hit 67 with huge success with a melee build. I've been able to solo ^^^ even cons for awhile, now.</p><p>Unfortunatly, things just hit FAR too hard now 67+, so melee is no longer viable. I was planning on switching over to healing anyway. Since I work strange hours, having the ability to melee solo really helped get me up in levels.</p><p>My question is this...is it worth going down the INT line for solo-ability still (how well can wardens root/nuke)? </p><p>My options are...</p><p>AGIL/STA</p><p>AGIL/INT</p><p>STA/INT</p><p>Wis seems kind of pointless, outside of self rez...but even that is pretty iffy.</p></blockquote>STA/INT is your standard PvE Nuking Warden BuildSTA/AGI is you pure healing buildAGI/INT is unusual in that the STA line generally brings more healing than AGI lineWardens are one of the best root/nukers because we have two roots, single target and group that stack.  If you only use straight nukes and not our cold dot, the roots hold up extremely well, assuming your subjugation skill is not in the toilet.You don't necessarily have to give up the melee line just to root/nuke, you can certainly skip both healing lines and go STR/INT, for soloing, you wont miss the heals much.

[ELITEO]

<p>Unless you want to start doing some pickup raids or some heavy group content , I wouldnt bother with the stamina or agi line for healing. They certainly wont help your soloability compared to the Str/CA line.</p><p>Your just hitting that point where you need better gear ,so your gona need to hit some group content to get some. </p><p>A combination of root nuking and mele works pretty good to take down mobs you find you cant mele only. Use some hex dolls to soften them up while their rooted,and youll be building pwr too ... hit em with some nukes , then when root brks , let your dogs out pop the tree and smack em a bunch , Hit Heiro if you have to while your dot and dogs on em. Then root em and get away, Rinse repeat.</p><p>Useing Str/CA line with the Int line works best if you go all the way to infusion.</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<cite>MullenSkywatcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>RpTheHotrod wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, I have hit 67 with huge success with a melee build. I've been able to solo ^^^ even cons for awhile, now.</p><p>Unfortunatly, things just hit FAR too hard now 67+, so melee is no longer viable. I was planning on switching over to healing anyway. Since I work strange hours, having the ability to melee solo really helped get me up in levels.</p><p>My question is this...is it worth going down the INT line for solo-ability still (how well can wardens root/nuke)? </p><p>My options are...</p><p>AGIL/STA</p><p>AGIL/INT</p><p>STA/INT</p><p>Wis seems kind of pointless, outside of self rez...but even that is pretty iffy.</p></blockquote>STA/INT is your standard PvE Nuking Warden BuildSTA/AGI is you pure healing buildAGI/INT is unusual in that the STA line generally brings more healing than AGI lineWardens are one of the best root/nukers because we have two roots, single target and group that stack.  If you only use straight nukes and not our cold dot, the roots hold up extremely well, assuming your subjugation skill is not in the toilet.You don't necessarily have to give up the melee line just to root/nuke, you can certainly skip both healing lines and go STR/INT, for soloing, you wont miss the heals much.</blockquote><p>Mullen is spot on here.   I also can't say how much I hate that we have 'builds' now.   It has truly turned into you can't heal/melee, w/e unless you are spec'd exactly that way - something I was thinking wouldn't happen when AAs came out.  I was initially all bright and shiny about how possibilities were endless, we could play how we want.    </p><p>Now, it's just like WoW.   I suppose that appeals to some people, but that 'have to have' build mentality really annoys me.</p>

[ELITEO]

<p>^^^ I know what ya mean ... but its always been that way to a point ... with every class .</p><p>What you have to look at though is ... can the warden step out of the norm grind (ofcourse) and they do it exceptionaly well ... its just that since everybody has figured out how to streamline the end content ... the warden has become obsolete ... because what we bring to the table is not needed by the Elite... But any other time the warden (decently played) will make up for the others learning curve.</p>

[gita]

AGI INT  works pretty wellheal crits are overrated,  i raid and there its not noticeable diference at all on heal parses on AGI/STA vs AGI/INT, whitout STA line u can still have decent %heal crits, the only thing i miss on no STA its the dispell and the 30secs self-inmune stuns interrupts

[GinFan]

<cite>Gitana@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>AGI INT  works pretty wellheal crits are overrated,  i raid and there its not noticeable diference at all on heal parses on AGI/STA vs AGI/INT, whitout STA line u can still have decent %heal crits, the only thing i miss on no STA its the dispell and the 30secs self-inmune stuns interrupts</blockquote><p>I'm with Gitana.  Crits are nice, but so is heal compression.  My raid leader likes having Tortoise Shell available in our MT toolkit too much for me to switch without having some 'splainin' to do.  I've tried AGI/STA, STR/AGI and AGI/INT with different EoF lines and so far, I've enjoyed AGI/INT with Melee Crit the most.  I'm still an attentive, effective healer, plus I'm consistantly adding 800-1200 dps to raid trash while in a standard 3 healer MT group, all without having to collect STR gear to swap in and out.  With the expansion, I'm currently thinking AGI/INT with partial STR.</p><p>If I were going to solo, I'd probably switch to STR/INT</p>

[xandez]

<cite>RpTheHotrod wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, I have hit 67 with huge success with a melee build. I've been able to solo ^^^ even cons for awhile, now.</p><p>Unfortunatly, things just hit FAR too hard now 67+, so melee is no longer viable. </p></blockquote><p>ok, this is where i stopped reading... as a lvl 70 melee warden <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> ehheh.... soloed mostly and small grouped some... 80% solo thou. Sure some mobs are harder especially in eg. Loping plains, even the solo mobs are horrid... (imo). But still, doable and viable. *blim* <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />++Xan</p>

[ELITEO]

^^^ Well Xan , if you would have actually read that sentence then you could have figured out he's having problems because of his gear that hes not picking up by doing group and raid content. Physical mitigation will make a big difference .... to solo mele in the high 60's you would need atleast 3200.

[xandez]

funny, i didnt do any either... *shrug*but i did buy stuff from the broker (heh) <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan

[ELITEO]

Hmm ... Well speaking as someone that has most of their stuff from Kos raids , I didnt do alot of comparison mitigation wise with broker stuff , What were you able to get your physical mitigation up too Xan? .... I hit just under 3600 . His problem also might be he just needs the little bit higher lvl stuff , 68,69,70 ?

[Arielle Nightshade]

<cite>GinFan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gitana@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>AGI INT  works pretty wellheal crits are overrated,  i raid and there its not noticeable diference at all on heal parses on AGI/STA vs AGI/INT, whitout STA line u can still have decent %heal crits, the only thing i miss on no STA its the dispell and the 30secs self-inmune stuns interrupts</blockquote><p>I'm with Gitana.  Crits are nice, but so is heal compression.  My raid leader likes having Tortoise Shell available in our MT toolkit too much for me to switch without having some 'splainin' to do.  I've tried AGI/STA, STR/AGI and AGI/INT with different EoF lines and so far, I've enjoyed AGI/INT with Melee Crit the most.  I'm still an attentive, effective healer, plus I'm consistantly adding 800-1200 dps to raid trash while in a standard 3 healer MT group, all without having to collect STR gear to swap in and out.  With the expansion, I'm currently thinking AGI/INT with partial STR.</p><p>If I were going to solo, I'd probably switch to STR/INT.  Also, I think a whole TON of nicer gear becomes available at 68 and upwards - non raid fabled, too..for our OP.</p></blockquote>If I were going to solo, I'd do STR/STA, I think...and take the melee thingies from the Warden tree.

[ELITEO]

Yes Arie your right , for the pure mele max str build , thats the way to go. Get your max heal crits , then dump everything else in the str line. But your still gona need to back it up with some mitigation , Dark chitin ring is nice , and use master crafted str ring with it. I suppose avoidance might do it to , But it never seemed like the warden could get it high enough to matter much imo. Ive been useing the Leggings of determined growth latley my self , they have a fear proc and some nice str.

[Tallo]

<cite>RpTheHotrod wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, I have hit 67 with huge success with a melee build. I've been able to solo ^^^ even cons for awhile, now.</p><p>Unfortunatly, things just hit FAR too hard now 67+, so melee is no longer viable. I was planning on switching over to healing anyway. Since I work strange hours, having the ability to melee solo really helped get me up in levels.</p><p>My question is this...is it worth going down the INT line for solo-ability still (how well can wardens root/nuke)? </p><p>My options are...</p><p>AGIL/STA</p><p>AGIL/INT</p><p>STA/INT</p><p>Wis seems kind of pointless, outside of self rez...but even that is pretty iffy.</p></blockquote>Man...as a 64 who already with through the 50's to 60's crisis as a casting warden and back to melee....I'm sorry to see ya go. Good luck. Melee ftw!

[xandez]

<p>dont have STA line... i have STR 8-8-8-8-2 and WIS 8... subject to change thou,  but that dont feel too shabby atm... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />mitigation is 2908 (46.7% @70)... wearing cloth gloves so i could raise that over 3k easily if i saw that necessary</p><p>STR 451 WIS 5245099 Health and 6154 powerMostly treasured gear, with some legendary / mastercrafted pieces thrown in. I feel that im doing ok DPS as melee, since im having fun while soloing? Or the DPS really doesnt matter, since i am having fun, right? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />*edit*i do have few pieces with wis + high power + ministration to replace my STR gear if i need to focus more on healing</p><p>++Xan</p>

[ELITEO]

Ya Xan , I guess thats the more pure mele str build ,lol (my thoughts were based on a full 50 pts to spend) ..... picking up the wisdom pts i guess is smart since your just under soft cap. What do the gloves have that youd pick them over leather mitigation?

[RpTheHotrod]

<p>Just an update.</p><p>With the increase in AA point caps...my build is now this:</p><p>agil/sta/int</p><p>In EoF, I have movement and the healing/revive (not remedy) line.</p><p>Best heals and Root/Nuke ability.</p>