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TheSpin

11-01-2007, 06:27 PM

I have recently recreated my eq1 shaman on eq2 with the announcement on the return of bertoxxulus. Unfortunately I've never been up to date with any eq lore, and I am just looking for any information out there about this diety. Especially what events he has had a hand in and what type of following he would have.

Kerisan

11-01-2007, 06:46 PM

<div>-------</div><div>Bertoxxulous - The Plaguebringer Bertoxxulous has no allies. His followers often follow the dark art of necromancy, which he wholeheartedly supports. The Plaguebringer appears as a humanoid hunchback draped in tattered, decaying robes. Under his hood can be seen a very handsome face attached to the body of a rotting corpse. He is enemies with Tunare, Rodcet Nife, Karana, Mithaniel Marr, and Rallos Zek. He rules the Plane of Disease, which is dark and drippy with geysers of ooze and rivers of pus. The land itself looks, feels and even smells like decaying flesh, and is inhabited by all manner of evil creatures and undead-------Taken from the lorenorrath website. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></div>

Ama

11-01-2007, 06:52 PM

<cite>Rhyani@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><div>-------</div><div>Bertoxxulous - The Plaguebringer Bertoxxulous has no allies. His followers often follow the dark art of necromancy, which he wholeheartedly supports. The Plaguebringer appears as a humanoid hunchback draped in tattered, decaying robes. Under his hood can be seen a very handsome face attached to the body of a rotting corpse. He is enemies with Tunare, Rodcet Nife, Karana, Mithaniel Marr, and Rallos Zek. He rules the Plane of Disease, which is dark and drippy with geysers of ooze and rivers of pus. The land itself looks, feels and even smells like decaying flesh, and is inhabited by all manner of evil creatures and undead-------Taken from the lorenorrath website. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></div></blockquote>Interesting why is he enemies with Rallos Zek?

Cusashorn

11-01-2007, 07:49 PM

Well that's the old info about the gods back when EQlive was first released. There is no actual reason to why he is or is not enemies with Rallos Zek. My guess would be that Bertox doesn't like having his victims killed in battle, but rather suffer to death through disease.Bertoxxulous has some influences across Norrath. Though there is nothing to confirm or deny it, rumor has it that Cazic Thule turned to him in order to create the Greenmist that he would later unleash onto the Shissar and save the Iksar race from extinction. That same rumor also has it that Tunare and The Rathe were the ones who inspired him to create it in the first place. They were fed up with how the Shissar had razed the land, just like the orcs are doing in Zek.In the summer of 2001, however, the greatest Live Event to ever take place in EQ had occured. In what started as a plot against the citizens of Qeynos, the Bloodsabers planted an Idol of Bertoxxulous into the fields of the famous Miller family, the largest farmer family in all of Western Norrath. Invoking an incantation, they summoned a three-fold Plague down onto the Karanas. The first plague turned the skies green with acid rain. The 2nd plague was an outbreak among the citizens. Anyone who walked through the plains would experience rashes, terrible itching, coughing and wheezing. Nothing fatal, thankfully. The third plague were swarms of giant beetles across the lands to destroy the vegitation.Qeynos' investigation into the plagues, lead by Vegalys Keldrane, would result in the War of the Plagues. While not covered in EQlive, the War of the Plagues was a great war that broke out between the Qeynos Guard and the Bloodsabers, who proved themselves to have more numbers than any could have imagined.When the war died down and came to an end, Qeynos learned of the location of the Idol of Bertoxxulous, and cleansed the land of the plague.

TheSpin

11-02-2007, 01:09 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well that's the old info about the gods back when EQlive was first released. There is no actual reason to why he is or is not enemies with Rallos Zek. My guess would be that Bertox doesn't like having his victims killed in battle, but rather suffer to death through disease.Bertoxxulous has some influences across Norrath. Though there is nothing to confirm or deny it, rumor has it that Cazic Thule turned to him in order to create the Greenmist that he would later unleash onto the Shissar and save the Iksar race from extinction. That same rumor also has it that Tunare and The Rathe were the ones who inspired him to create it in the first place. They were fed up with how the Shissar had razed the land, just like the orcs are doing in Zek.In the summer of 2001, however, the greatest Live Event to ever take place in EQ had occured. In what started as a plot against the citizens of Qeynos, the Bloodsabers planted an Idol of Bertoxxulous into the fields of the famous Miller family, the largest farmer family in all of Western Norrath. Invoking an incantation, they summoned a three-fold Plague down onto the Karanas. The first plague turned the skies green with acid rain. The 2nd plague was an outbreak among the citizens. Anyone who walked through the plains would experience rashes, terrible itching, coughing and wheezing. Nothing fatal, thankfully. The third plague were swarms of giant beetles across the lands to destroy the vegitation.Qeynos' investigation into the plagues, lead by Vegalys Keldrane, would result in the War of the Plagues. While not covered in EQlive, the War of the Plagues was a great war that broke out between the Qeynos Guard and the Bloodsabers, who proved themselves to have more numbers than any could have imagined.When the war died down and came to an end, Qeynos learned of the location of the Idol of Bertoxxulous, and cleansed the land of the plague.</blockquote>Thanks for reminding me of this event. I vaguely remember running through the karanas in eq1 and feeling a little ill.What other races would be likely to worship Bertox? It seems like most of the races in the game currently lean towards one diety or another, and none of them lean toward Bertox.

Cakassis

11-02-2007, 01:23 AM

IIRC Most of Berty's followers in EQ1 were humans. I dimly recall some DEs hanging out with them, but that might have been more of an alliance of convience w/ the necromancers than any racial alignment.

Vyrance

11-02-2007, 01:50 AM

Taken from Tomes in the city of New Tanaan in EQ1 during the Planes of Power expansion:The Necropolis of Lxanvon and the Arrival of the Plague Bringer Volume I In a Norrathian age long past, when dragons ruled the lands, seas, and skies, an ancient race did spring forth from the will of an unknown god. They were a cunning and powerful race of beings, able to survive in a harsh world ruled by the scaled children of Veeshan. The true name of this extinct civilization has been lost to the mists of time, the evidence of their existance buried and all but destroyed by the elements and the forces of change. The eldest of dragons sometimes whisper tales of this lost race of beings who were the first to stand against and slay the great children of Veeshan. They speak of them to their young, as a human mother would tell ghost stories to her child. The dragons whispered tales of a great kingdom of wicked yet noble beings that built cities from the bones and sinew of the slain children of Veeshan. This is one such tale, passed down to the scribes of New Tanaan many years past by the dragon sorceror Ulvaxazoviak. Many ages ago, in a time that only the spirits of the ancestor dragons can recall, a long dead ancient race, The Xulous they are called in the tales of my kind, did build upon the lands that would become Tunaria a great necropolis to house their dead kings. The crypts of the necropolis were fashioned from preserved remains of slain dragons and it was called Lxanvon, which means in the tongue of the Xulous, 'Kings Rest'. As the necropolis filled with the dead Xulous royalty, honored and revered in death as much as in life, a festering evil began to take over in the lowest bowels of the crypts of the kings. The Xulous, through their adoration and reverence of their rotting kings, their defilement of the dead children of Veeshan, and their dependence on the deaths of dragons for the expansion of their kingdoms did unknowingly bring a powerful and ancient evil to Norrath. As years passed, the evil presence in the bowels of Lxanvon grew stronger, and there, within the rotting corpses of those ancient kings, Bertoxxulous was born. Volume II The royal priests of the Xulous kingdoms often journeyed from their ivory cities to Lxanvon on behalf of their people, to deliver offerings and praises to their dead kings. Bertoxxulous, donning the decaying bodies of the dead Xulous nobles, appeared before these royal priests demanding obediance, reverence, and sacrifices. Bertoxxulous deceived and corrupted the minds of the royal priests and their allegiance belonged to the Lord of Death and Decay above their living kings. Amidst these firsts priests of decay, one was held above the others, Ultor Szanvon the Putrid; he led the priests of decay in the spreading their dark doctrine. Ultor, an influential priest in service to the mightiest of the Xulous nobles schemed and murdered his way into the position of chief advisor to the living Xulous King. Ultor convinced Xulous King to visit the tombs of his ancestors, and there within the presence of Bertoxxulous' full might he performed a dark ritual, sacrificing the king in the bowels of the crypt. Through the dark ritual Ultor summoned twelve spirits of previous Xulous kings and bound them to his service. The risen undead kings rose armies of the dead from the necropolis of Lxanvon and spread across the lands ravaging all in their path, and leaving only death and destruction in their wake. Those who were not destroyed by the weapons of the undead armies were killed slowly by a deadly plague, carried by the risen kings, and spread like wildfire amidst the Xulous. Their entire race succumbed to the pestilence and the Xulous were no more. Bertoxxulous, pleased and swollen with pride by his genocidal accomplishment called his minions back to the necropolis that had served as their resting place for so many years. The risen Xulous kings gathered in the bowels of their crypts as a great mist enveloped Lxanvon. The ancient dragons watched from afar as the mists cleared, revealing only a barren and broken landscape where the necropolis had once lied. It is said that the necropolis of Lxanvon still exists in the Plane of Disease, unchanged from when the ancient dragons witnessed its vanishing from Norrath, and that the form Bertoxxulous favors when visiting Lxanvon is a twisted visage of the long dead race he destroyed, so many ages ago.

Vyrance

11-02-2007, 02:05 AM

Also from Tomes in New Tanaan:Deadtime Stories of Bertoxxulous Volume I Raex and Vindor Long ago in the Kingdom of Skaxron lived two childhood friends, Raex, and Vindor. The friends played, fought, competed and grew up together in their lawful kingdom. As they matured both young men proved to be the greatest warriors of their generation. They became pledged as knights in service to their good King Randall. Two years after the knighting of Raex and Vindor, the War of Ages engulfed their continent, separating the friends as they fought to save their beloved kingdom. War raged for many years, their good King Randall was slain, and all the lands were put under the rule of an iron fisted dark emperor. Raex and Vindor survived these lean years as mercenaries and swore complete and utter vengence upon the dark emperor that ruled the land. They did not have long to wait, for a great and ancient evil was listening. Bertoxxulous, Lord of Decay, heard the plea and offered to assist Raex and Vindor for their permanent indentured servitude. For the Plague Lord knew they were among the greatest of warriors, and would aid him greatly in his rise to power. Blinded by vengence Raex and Vindor immediately agreed to the deal. With a snap of his fingers, Bertoxxulous banished his servant, the dark emperor, to another realm and accepted the two great warriors into his service, for they did not know Bertoxxulous had conquered their world just to bring them into the ranks of his minions. Carprin Deatharn Long ago on the continent of Antonica, within the world of Norrath, there existed a small village known as Yawnwater. The village of Yawnwater was a typical village, with happy villagers and flowers that grew all about the town. In the middle of the village stood a small shrine dedicated to the goddess of love, Erollisi Marr, located right off of a small river that flowed down into a great lake. However all did not remain right within the happy little village of Yawnwater. On a dark night when the moon was just a sliver inthe night sky, terror and destruction came down upon the happy little village of Yawnwater. <a href="http://members.fortunecity.com/maximuswiser79/my_passion/everquest/eq/inquisition/Deadtime_Stories_of_Bertoxxulous.html#" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">The dark knight</a>, Carprin Deatharn, determined to prove to his god, Bertoxxulous, Lord of Decay, that he was an exalted spreader of corruption and decay that none could match, came upon the village set to destroy it. Caprin killed off what resistance the village had to offer and then gathered around the shine to Erollisi Marr, the elderly, the women, and the children, who were to weak to defend themselves from the dark knight. Carprin then set to systematically desecrating the temple by performing a dark sacrifice on its altar. After the sacrifice he infected the rest of the survivors with an incurable malady that left them slowly wasting away and dying. When Bertoxxulous saw all that his servant did in his name he was pleased and raised him to new and untold levels of power. It was not long after that Caprin Deatharn would join his master in the Plane of Disease. Volume II The Tale of Toluwon In the Plains of Karana in a time not so long ago, the clergy of Karana erected a small temple in honor of The Rainkeeper. Among those present at the building of this temple was Young Toluwon, a promising cleric that had recently been raised up from the position of Acolyte. Young Toluwon was one of the most promising clerics to come in years. He had shown wisdom beyond his years, mastered the honored rituals of Karana in a short time, and performed the extremely difficult Ritual of Thunder and Lightning for the first time in centuries. However, all this was soon to come to an end for Young Toluwon for he had a different path to walk. Young Toluwon returned home soon after helping finish up the final building stages of the temple. He had to visit his love in the nearby city of Qeynos. When he arrived at his lover's house, he found a small note asking him to meet her at a private locale. Concerned, Toluwon made his way immediately to the locale, to find something he could not believe. His lover was a worshipper of the dark god Bertoxxulous. She was with a group of people in brown robes muttering chants to the Lord of Decay. Once he overcame his disbelief he knew what he must do. He would join her, for she was more important to him than anything else. When the decision was made, the worshipers of Bertoxxulous immediately sent Toluwon out to prove his faith. They sent him against his old brethren at the newly built temple in the Plains of Karana. When he arrived the priests were surprised to see him back so early for they knew he loved his woman dearly. He assured them everything was all right, and told them that he needed to get some rest. Little did they know what dark plans were about to unfold. In the dead of night Toluwon crept around and slit the throats of each priest within the temple. Then performing a dark ritual told to him by the priests of Bertoxxulous he desecrated the newly erected temple. Toluwon had now become a full-fledged member of Bertoxxulous' clergy. This is how Bishop Toluwon came to join the legions of corruption. Rise of Avhi Escron Thousands of years ago in lands long gone there was a prophecy of power. It said 'One shall be born perched between light and darkness. They will grow and one day shroud the world in golden light or encompassing darkness. For they will choose.' Avhi Escron was born shortly thereafter. She was the child foretold in the prophecy and the forces of light and dark waged war over her. As time passed Avhi began to show signs of extreme magical power, unmatched by any ever known to the world. The time for her to choose was fast approaching. As the time came upon her Avhi was tempted by the forces of dark with images of unseen power, wealth beyond imagining, and endless lands to rule. With these images in her mind, Avhi chose the side of evil, and the world fell into an encompassing darkness. The ancient evil, known today as Bertoxxulous, was among the powers that she now served. Decay and corruption became a daily part of Avhi's life as she explored the dark arts of necromancy, creating new dark rituals, and spells became commonplace as she reached the pinnacle of her power. Eventually Avhi declared herself fully in the service of the Lord of Decay. Soon after she brought down a mighty spell of foul corruption upon the kingdoms, laying waste to huge tracts of land. And so Avhi continued until one day she was raised tothe side of her lord in the Plane of Disease. Volume III Fall of the Wemmal Royal Family The Wemmal Family had ruled their small island in the middle of the endless sea for years. Not knowing of the other continents and lands of their world, it was a self-contained island filled with peace. One day that changed, for chance brought a sole survivor of a shipwreck to a beach on their land. The survivor was Banford Paffa a cook from a pirate ship that had been wrecked in a nasty storm. The islanders discovered him on one of the beautiful beaches and brought him to the royal family. The Wemmal's were taken with this seemingly charming pirate from lands unknown. They offered him a position on the cooking staff for he knew many exotic dishes previously unknown to the islanders. However, the Wemmal's would soon learn that their new cook had a dark secret. Bandford was a worshipper of Bertoxxulous, the Lord of Decay. He set to slowly poisoning the food he served to the royal family. Soon after all of the royal family became sick and dying. It was discovered that Banford had been poisoning them, but by then it was to late, and the Wemmals were dead. The islanders maddened by grief for their beloved royals lynched Banford and hung his corpse from the islands tallest tree. Bertoxxulous pleased with what Banford accomplished gave him a new form in the Plane of Disease, where he now serves his lord for eternity. Origins of the Bubonians In the deepest depths of some forgotten tomb, Tarkon Praez, a necromancer in service to Bertoxxulous, was perfomring experiments on a tribe of rat men that he had previously enslaved. During this time he bred a variety of rat men, but none of them were what he wanted. Tarkon wanted a ravenous, festering, and foul breed that would strike terror and fear into the hearts of the pure. Tarkon decided to pray one day to his dark god for guidance. After many hours of prayers, foul rituals and sacrifices, Bertoxxulous enlightened Tarkon with a vision of what he must do. He would travel to the farthest reaches and find the necessary components to perform a ritual of the darkest evil. The four components Tarkon was to gather were a unicorn heart, tail of a phoenix, tears of a virgin, and the blood of a faerie. After many trials and tribulations he gathered the necessary components and began the dark ritual. What took form was more than he expected. An extremely evil crazed race of rat men that carried a foul plague in their blood and minds. He dubbed them the Bubonians and set them on the land. The Bubonians tore apart the lands near the tomb of their creation, spreading disease, death, and destruction wherever they went. They continued unhindered for a time, until they were banished from the world by a good and noble order of knights. Bertoxxulous took the Bubonians into the Crypt of Decay and that is where they have festered ever since, waiting to lay waste to the world once again.

Rainmare

11-02-2007, 02:14 AM

I think Rallos and Bertox are enimes for a very simple reason.other than conflict, there is really no force that can decimate the physical size, power, and mortal of an army like pestilance and disease. armies ten thousand strong can be brought to nothing in a matter of weeks and months from a single polluted water supply or a bad batch of food.and I bet that aggravates Rallos to no end that bertox's domain can so easily rival or overpower his domain of War.

Torri

11-02-2007, 02:15 AM

<cite>Cakassis wrote:</cite><blockquote>IIRC Most of Berty's followers in EQ1 were humans. I dimly recall some DEs hanging out with them, but that might have been more of an alliance of convience w/ the necromancers than any racial alignment.</blockquote>Gnome Necros and SK's worshipped Bert also if I remember right

Nocturnal Aby

11-02-2007, 03:20 AM

That is correct! The Dark Reflection was a faction of Gnome Wizards, Necromancers, enchanters, clerics, shadowknights, and warriors who lived in the Mines of Malfunction during the age of Turmoil, and were loyal to the Plaguebringer. In fact, the person you had to talk to about the tokens (not sure what exactly their purpose was, since I never got them, though I heard they were used on certain PvP servers) was found in Ak'Anon.A short snippet of lore from the Maps of Myrist states it as follows:Despite the gnomes' dislike of outsiders, they have been touched with the dark arts of necromancy. In the depths of the city lies the Temple of Dark Reflection. Their presence is known and tolerated, to a degree, though they strive to ward away unwanted attention to their dark dabbling. The young populace is especially cautioned from showing interest in the cult and is advised to acoid the temple. Since they have left the citizenry alone, the followers of the Plaguebringer feel they should deserve the same "courtesy."Also, the story in the link <a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/read.php?link=meldrath" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here </a>speaks to the beginnings of the Dark Reflection, oddly enough, that being Meldrath the Malignant/Mad. If I am not mistaken, this book was from the Planes of Power, and intended to explain the existance of the Plane of Innovation.

Saroc_Luclin

11-02-2007, 02:21 PM

As for EQII, considering Bertoxx's habit of using rodents as plague carriers, I would say that some Ratonga would see him as a natural god for them. In fact, there were rodent-men in the Crypt of Decay with everything else that he had, and plague infested rats were as common as the leeches, mites, mosquitoes, spiders, oozes and centipedes he had in his plane of disease.

Spockmaster

11-04-2007, 04:18 PM

all i know is that im glad bertox is back, my high elf necro has followed him in his own lore since i created him. now i can actually do it! lol

Wilde_Night

11-04-2007, 11:38 PM

I think Bertoxxulous falls into the Dark Godhead category with Innoruuk, Rallos Zek and Cazic-Thule - even though they may not all get along, they have relied on each other before and fight against the forces of "light".

DreamerClou

11-05-2007, 01:02 AM

Reading that above story about that lost race that Bertox wiped out... hmm it sounds more like a "creation" story about Bertoxx. It seems like he kind of ascended to godhood, or did he just feel like making his presence known to the world at this moment in time.

teddyboy4

11-05-2007, 03:24 AM

<cite>DreamerCloud9 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Reading that above story about that lost race that Bertox wiped out... hmm it sounds more like a "creation" story about Bertoxx. It seems like he kind of ascended to godhood, or did he just feel like making his presence known to the world at this moment in time.</blockquote>I had always taken the Xulous tomb story as the story of Bertox's creation. It makes sense, the tomb was built out of dragon parts which possibly could have imbued the whole building with a sort of latent arcane energy, and that combined with the contents of the building, and the powerful races devotion to their rotting kings kinda stewed up a consciousness that embodied decay and disease. And because of this consciousness's near perfect representation of such an influential force it ascended to godhood and took it's place on the wheel of influence.Conversely, one would really have to wonder how a force the likes of disease, rot and all that good stuff wouldn't have been represented from the beginning. Then again, maybe Bertox was always there, but didn't make himself known to the rest of Norrath until that point. Then again, who's to say that this wasn't the point of Bertoxxulous's creation and before that his seat amongst the gods of influence was vacant, or didn't exist. It's interesting to note that the same can be asked of Bertox's chief rival, Rodcet Nife, the god of healing. From all that we know of Rodcet it appears he is some sort of inter-stellar(planar?) traveler that ascended to godhood.

Cusashorn

11-05-2007, 10:29 AM

Well, the original History of Norrath story that describes it's creation and the arrival of the gods makes absolutely no mention of Bertox or Rodcet Nife. However, it's never been elaborated on whether it really is how Bert came to be or not.

Nocturnal Aby

11-05-2007, 10:34 AM

I believe in EQOA (so take it for what its worth, the lore from that expansion seems to be pretty conveluted, and the parts that carry over are something of a crap shoot), they had the emergence of Rodcet Nife, I believe. His creation goes something similar to the following:An intelligient race of beings lived in the southwest corner of the ancient continent Tunaria. This race, called the Jalraeth, were consumed with aquiring knowledge, and understanding all they could. These beings were immortal, and being so, were obsessed with death, something they could not experience first hand. In their studies, they would kill anything that ventured near their Castle of Envar in the Dead Hills in an effort to study it. Legends tell of one who rebelled against his peers, and instead of creating a means of death strove to heal the plagues developed by the Jalraeth, and purge disease from the lives of mortal beings. Thus Rodcet became a hero to these mortals, and the Temple of Life was erected in Qeynos in his honor, and some say, by his guidance. That's a paraphrase version of the lore. What forces lifted Rodcet Nife to deity level (since we do have record of a Plane of Health that he rules over), I have no idea. It'd be nice to know EQ2's take on the Prime Healer.But why am I talking about Doctor Fine? This is a thread about Berty!

Saroc_Luclin

11-05-2007, 11:02 AM

Probably the Realms of Disease (and the Realm of Healing) were both under Tunare's Banner originally, as parts of the Natural world. When enough focus was put on them though, new gods arouse to carve out those niches and build their own domains. It was probably similar to how Rallos Zek raised demigods to take over various facets of War craft (Tactics, Rage, etc...), or Druzzil helped create the Plane of Music and so forth. (though the plane of disease may not have been willingly created by Tunare)

Gukkor2

11-05-2007, 10:05 PM

<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Probably the Realms of Disease (and the Realm of Healing) were both under Tunare's Banner originally, as parts of the Natural world.When enough focus was put on them though, new gods arouse to carve out those niches and build their own domains.It was probably similar to how Rallos Zek raised demigods to take over various facets of War craft (Tactics, Rage, etc...), or Druzzil helped create the Plane of Music and so forth. (though the plane of disease may not have been willingly created by Tunare)</blockquote>Hmmm...while Tunare is probably the closest thing Norrath has to a general nature deity, she's technically the goddess of growth specifically. In other words, she really only embodies the positive, life-giving aspects of nature, not things such as disease.To draw an (extremely nerdy) comparison to the Dungeons & Dragons pantheon, Tunare is more like Ehlonna, whereas a "true" nature deity would be more like Obad-Hai.

Nocturnal Aby

11-06-2007, 03:21 AM

Actually, we see from the Cosmology post Vhalen made, that the Planes of Disease, Health, and Growth are all on the same level, as Planes of Nature, along with the Planes of Storms, Sun, Underfoot, Oceans, and Sky. You can check out his actual post <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187247" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here.</a>

Cusashorn

11-06-2007, 11:47 AM

<cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, we see from the Cosmology post Vhalen made, that the Planes of Disease, Health, and Growth are all on the same level, as Planes of Nature, along with the Planes of Storms, Sun, Underfoot, Oceans, and Sky. You can check out his actual post <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187247" target="_blank">here.</a></blockquote>Yeah but that doesn't mean that all of it just falls into a very general catagory of Tunare's domain. He means that the gods are split into Physical and Mental representations. Love, Valor, War, Strife, Tranquility, Justice, Mischief, etc. These are all emotions and suggestions of the mind. Sky, Growth, Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ocean, Underground, Disease, Storms, etc. These are all physical elements and conditions of the world around us.

Saroc_Luclin

11-06-2007, 01:04 PM

True, Tunare is more the Goddess of Growth and not necessarily the Goddess of Nature. In that case, I'd say her realm, and Bertoxx's realm were carved out of what was initially the domain of the Elemental Plane of Earth.

Nocturnal Aby

11-07-2007, 10:34 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually, we see from the Cosmology post Vhalen made, that the Planes of Disease, Health, and Growth are all on the same level, as Planes of Nature, along with the Planes of Storms, Sun, Underfoot, Oceans, and Sky. You can check out his actual post <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187247" target="_blank">here.</a></blockquote>Yeah but that doesn't mean that all of it just falls into a very general catagory of Tunare's domain. He means that the gods are split into Physical and Mental representations. Love, Valor, War, Strife, Tranquility, Justice, Mischief, etc. These are all emotions and suggestions of the mind. Sky, Growth, Fire, Earth, Air, Water, Ocean, Underground, Disease, Storms, etc. These are all physical elements and conditions of the world around us.</blockquote>I quote Vhalen here:The Inner Planes are the eight planes of Influence and the eight planes of Nature. Below the Inner Planes you can find all the other planes, a cosmology of quasi planes that often carry the title of plane, such as the Plane of Innovation or the Plane of Tactics. All these lesser planes derive their power from the Inner Planes and are often finite. Without the Inner Planes, they could not exist.I believe you misunderstood what I was saying. I was saying that the Planes of Health and Disease did not come from the Plane of Growth, as they are on the same level, of the Plane of Growth. At least from the accepted understanding (since that is all Vhalen says this cosmology is), the 16 inner planes are all on the same level, being one degree less than the Elemental Planes, making the Planes of Growth, Disease, and Health equivolent (at least in magnitude/importance/strength/etc).Of course, this could all be radically changed if only given new information, since, as Vhalen stated in the beginning of his post:The hierarchy of the planes and deities of the EQ universe has always been misunderstood and sometimes even misinterpreted. The most popular knowledge to date can be found here.I.E. This is just the working theory of the time, and as most in the scientific community should be able to tell you, a theory is not a fact, and theories have a tendency to change.

Cusashorn

11-07-2007, 10:39 AM

no no, I wasn't trying to say that they were part of the Plane of Growth or anything like that. I was sort of further elaborating on what Vhalen said, trying to clarify further.

iceriven2

11-07-2007, 08:20 PM

heard that eq1 expansion Dragons of Norrath dealt a bit with Nife's people. But what i dunno.

Saroc_Luclin

11-08-2007, 10:00 AM

<cite>iceriven2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>heard that eq1 expansion Dragons of Norrath dealt a bit with Nife's people. But what i dunno. </blockquote>I'm afraid you heard incorrectly.Dragons of Norrath was about Mayong using his influence to first get a group of gnome miners in Lavastorm to break through a barrier into the Dragon Broodlands (where many of the dragon eggs are guarded to mature and hatch every few decades), and then using other groups (including us adventurers) to get a curse in those lands to corrupt and kill the next generation of dragons, which he succeeded in doing. The lands of DoN were magically veiled for centuries, and served as one of the Dragon's most important lands. Later on, via TSS, we learn that it took SolRo's raising of the Serpent Spine mountains to pull one of their Holiest of Holy temples, containing a scale of Veeshan herself, out from under that protective veil.There were lots of goblins and golems and drakes and dragons, lizard horses and spiders and lots and lots of pumas, even a solitary giant, but nothing at all related to Rodcet Nife.

Ama

11-08-2007, 10:55 AM

<cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe in EQOA (so take it for what its worth, the lore from that expansion seems to be pretty conveluted, and the parts that carry over are something of a crap shoot), they had the emergence of Rodcet Nife, I believe. His creation goes something similar to the following:An intelligient race of beings lived in the southwest corner of the ancient continent Tunaria. This race, called the Jalraeth, were consumed with aquiring knowledge, and understanding all they could. These beings were immortal, and being so, were obsessed with death, something they could not experience first hand. In their studies, they would kill anything that ventured near their Castle of Envar in the Dead Hills in an effort to study it. Legends tell of one who rebelled against his peers, and instead of creating a means of death strove to heal the plagues developed by the Jalraeth, and purge disease from the lives of mortal beings. Thus Rodcet became a hero to these mortals, and the Temple of Life was erected in Qeynos in his honor, and some say, by his guidance. That's a paraphrase version of the lore. What forces lifted Rodcet Nife to deity level (since we do have record of a Plane of Health that he rules over), I have no idea. It'd be nice to know EQ2's take on the Prime Healer.But why am I talking about Doctor Fine? This is a thread about Berty!</blockquote>I do remember Castle of Envar in the Dead Hills with all of those wicked creatures in it. I believe there was a teleport or something where you had to get crystals from the Jalraeth to activate it. Also I believe it was in EQOA that we had an event dealing with Bertoxx. His followers released a plague upon us that contaminated everyone that came into contact with one another. The only way to cure it was to basically die, but you could be reinfected rather quickly. When you completed a series of quests it turned out that the people you were helping were working for Bertoxx to further his purpose. It's possible they may have been the great ancestors of the Bloodsabers *Think that's them* learning the secrets of Bertoxx. Sadly I left EQOA and only learned those few bits and pieces from it. I do remember mention of Rodcet Nife and I believe it was in Arcadin (aka Erudin for EQ1 people).

Nivmizzet

11-15-2007, 01:23 AM

Where does this deity line starts? Inquiring necros want to know... <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Kryussius

11-15-2007, 02:55 AM

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Probably the Realms of Disease (and the Realm of Healing) were both under Tunare's Banner originally, as parts of the Natural world.When enough focus was put on them though, new gods arouse to carve out those niches and build their own domains.It was probably similar to how Rallos Zek raised demigods to take over various facets of War craft (Tactics, Rage, etc...), or Druzzil helped create the Plane of Music and so forth. (though the plane of disease may not have been willingly created by Tunare)</blockquote>Hmmm...while Tunare is probably the closest thing Norrath has to a general nature deity, she's technically the goddess of growth specifically. In other words, she really only embodies the positive, life-giving aspects of nature, not things such as disease.</blockquote>Tunare's embodiment of growth is only "positive" because that's how she was written in to the EQ story.Disease isn't evil in and of itself, and could have actually fallen under the rule of Growth in the past, since all a disease is is a type of life that is parasitic in nature. Rot is nothing more than bacteria breaking down dead matter, and even the ebola virus is just a form of life doing what it has to to continue to grow.Disease is still growth. It's just growth we don't like. That doesn't make it evil.What makes disease evil in EQ is the hand that now guides it - Bertoxxuous. Same reason why growth is seen as good, fear as evil, etc.

ratbast

11-16-2011, 04:51 AM

comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.

Mixxit

11-16-2011, 05:10 AM

'the people of berrox' in that story would make me think the town was called berrox and their crypt was called lxanvon

Zabjade

11-16-2011, 02:41 PM

Also Bert figures into the Crafter Timeline (Sinking Sands and is mentioned in the KoS timeline) as well. you might get an idea from it about some of the things he would like to see crafted more.

kelvmor

11-16-2011, 09:10 PM

Meirril

11-16-2011, 09:42 PM

<cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.

ratbast

11-17-2011, 12:32 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.</blockquote>how can you say its not about the same planet? same name for location (kings rest) and same name for priest (ultor), as well as the stories mesh without any known discrepencies or conflicts.it seems more plausible that1) its the same story (and not same priest, and same named location on different worlds)2) remembrances - xxx is naming convention for portal, not planet, allowing for multiple portals onto same world.I wouldnt be surprised to find out ultor was/became bertoxxulous. ambitious conniving weasel who infiltrates, gets promoted, brainwashes, tricks into dark pact.did ultor of remembrances come from the anchor, or was he already at Berrox? he is only mentioned after it materializes.

Aneova

11-17-2011, 01:21 AM

what does any of this have to do with the original post of coming back to the game with the introduction of Bertoxxulus from way back in 07?

Hammieee

11-17-2011, 02:14 AM

HE MAKES ME DO LEET DPS WITH HIS MIRACLES ON MY WARLOCK

Mixxit

11-17-2011, 03:49 AM

<cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.</blockquote>how can you say its not about the same planet? same name for location (kings rest) and same name for priest (ultor), as well as the stories mesh without any known discrepencies or conflicts.it seems more plausible that1) its the same story (and not same priest, and same named location on different worlds)2) remembrances - xxx is naming convention for portal, not planet, allowing for multiple portals onto same world.I wouldnt be surprised to find out ultor was/became bertoxxulous. ambitious conniving weasel who infiltrates, gets promoted, brainwashes, tricks into dark pact.did ultor of remembrances come from the anchor, or was he already at Berrox? he is only mentioned after it materializes.</blockquote>Or Ultor was Xul'Varien <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But yeah definately same planet without a shred of doubt

Meirril

11-17-2011, 11:17 PM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.</blockquote>how can you say its not about the same planet? same name for location (kings rest) and same name for priest (ultor), as well as the stories mesh without any known discrepencies or conflicts.it seems more plausible that1) its the same story (and not same priest, and same named location on different worlds)2) remembrances - xxx is naming convention for portal, not planet, allowing for multiple portals onto same world.I wouldnt be surprised to find out ultor was/became bertoxxulous. ambitious conniving weasel who infiltrates, gets promoted, brainwashes, tricks into dark pact.did ultor of remembrances come from the anchor, or was he already at Berrox? he is only mentioned after it materializes.</blockquote>Or Ultor was Xul'Varien <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />But yeah definately same planet without a shred of doubt</blockquote>Ok boys, all of the rememberances books happened at different void anchors. Bertox and Prime are both listed along with Norrath on a longer list of void anchors. If Bertox and Prime are both locations on Norrath, then why is one of the anchors named Norrath?Also, do you know what happens to planets that become void anchors? They are used to help slow large rocks in the void from being consumed in the eye of the void. The anchor doesn't stop it from happening. When the rock the anchor is tied to slips into the center, it and the planet the anchor is tied to cease to exist.Where do the Nightblood come from? Prime! Rodcet Nife's people were turned into Nightbloods and conscripted into the void army. From what it says in Prime, it sounds like a planet with several unfamiliar races on it that had advanced technology and a lack of magical knowledge. Perfectly acceptable as a non-norrathian planet, but for early Norrath?Go visit the Obelisk of Lost Souls. You'll see.

ratbast

11-18-2011, 12:01 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.</blockquote>how can you say its not about the same planet? same name for location (kings rest) and same name for priest (ultor), as well as the stories mesh without any known discrepencies or conflicts.it seems more plausible that1) its the same story (and not same priest, and same named location on different worlds)2) remembrances - xxx is naming convention for portal, not planet, allowing for multiple portals onto same world.I wouldnt be surprised to find out ultor was/became bertoxxulous. ambitious conniving weasel who infiltrates, gets promoted, brainwashes, tricks into dark pact.did ultor of remembrances come from the anchor, or was he already at Berrox? he is only mentioned after it materializes.</blockquote>Or Ultor was Xul'Varien <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />But yeah definately same planet without a shred of doubt</blockquote>Ok boys, all of the rememberances books happened at different void anchors. Bertox and Prime are both listed along with Norrath on a longer list of void anchors. If Bertox and Prime are both locations on Norrath, then why is one of the anchors named Norrath?Also, do you know what happens to planets that become void anchors? They are used to help slow large rocks in the void from being consumed in the eye of the void. The anchor doesn't stop it from happening. When the rock the anchor is tied to slips into the center, it and the planet the anchor is tied to cease to exist.Where do the Nightblood come from? Prime! Rodcet Nife's people were turned into Nightbloods and conscripted into the void army. From what it says in Prime, it sounds like a planet with several unfamiliar races on it that had advanced technology and a lack of magical knowledge. Perfectly acceptable as a non-norrathian planet, but for early Norrath?Go visit the Obelisk of Lost Souls. You'll see.</blockquote>seems you are comparing 'rememberances - prime' and necropolis of lxanvon.i was suggesting 'remembrances - berrox' and necropolis of lxanvon.definitely gonna take your advice tho, been a while since I ran thru OoLS.

Mixxit

11-18-2011, 12:36 AM

i only have evidence for remebrances berrox being on norrath do you have the quote that says prime is on norrath cause ive never seen it?

Meirril

11-20-2011, 06:24 AM

<cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ratbastard wrote:</cite><blockquote>comparing the stories of necropolis of lxanvon and remembrances -berrox...race in Lxanvon is 'xulous', void anchor is named berrox.combine the two, you get berroxxulous.arrival of void anchor drove the king to the priest ultor(even use same name). remembrances - berrox is definitely about norrath and the xulous society!at this point, they had a void anchor as well, and potential to spread thru cosmos.</blockquote>All the rememberances books are about void anchors on different worlds. Berrox was not Norrath. A good deal of this information is hinted at through clickable items in the Obelisk of Lost Souls, where these book quests drop.One of the big rumors about Bert and Rodcet is that they are both from a different planet. That neither of them origionated on Norrath but came here and then became gods. Also if I remember correctly both are newer than the Marr Twins. Indeed Rodcet first appeared in Qeynos and became a diety afterward. I believe he followed Bertoxxulous here, which should mean Bertoxxulous should of arrived shortly before Rodcet.The Founding of Qeynos and Freeport are relatively new. Both were founded after the Lost Age, probably during the early Age of Blood.</blockquote>how can you say its not about the same planet? same name for location (kings rest) and same name for priest (ultor), as well as the stories mesh without any known discrepencies or conflicts.it seems more plausible that1) its the same story (and not same priest, and same named location on different worlds)2) remembrances - xxx is naming convention for portal, not planet, allowing for multiple portals onto same world.I wouldnt be surprised to find out ultor was/became bertoxxulous. ambitious conniving weasel who infiltrates, gets promoted, brainwashes, tricks into dark pact.did ultor of remembrances come from the anchor, or was he already at Berrox? he is only mentioned after it materializes.</blockquote>Or Ultor was Xul'Varien <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" />But yeah definately same planet without a shred of doubt</blockquote>Ok boys, all of the rememberances books happened at different void anchors. Bertox and Prime are both listed along with Norrath on a longer list of void anchors. If Bertox and Prime are both locations on Norrath, then why is one of the anchors named Norrath?Also, do you know what happens to planets that become void anchors? They are used to help slow large rocks in the void from being consumed in the eye of the void. The anchor doesn't stop it from happening. When the rock the anchor is tied to slips into the center, it and the planet the anchor is tied to cease to exist.Where do the Nightblood come from? Prime! Rodcet Nife's people were turned into Nightbloods and conscripted into the void army. From what it says in Prime, it sounds like a planet with several unfamiliar races on it that had advanced technology and a lack of magical knowledge. Perfectly acceptable as a non-norrathian planet, but for early Norrath?Go visit the Obelisk of Lost Souls. You'll see.</blockquote>seems you are comparing 'rememberances - prime' and necropolis of lxanvon.i was suggesting 'remembrances - berrox' and necropolis of lxanvon.definitely gonna take your advice tho, been a while since I ran thru OoLS.</blockquote>I'm saying that all the "Rememberances" books are in the tower of lost souls for the same reason: because they happened at different void anchors. I'm saying the Rememberances: Bertox book definately didn't happen on Norrath. I'm pointing at Prime as a very good example of why the Rememberances books couldn't of happened on Norrath.There are a huge amount of corrilations between the Necropolis of Ixanvon book and the Rememberances: Bertox book which brings DOUBT that any of this happened on Norrath. If you remember the people in the area this book came from were looking into planar portals. The origins of this book may come from somewhere else.

Mixxit

11-20-2011, 11:28 AM

Remembrances Berrox must have happened on norrath as it says in two of the books that it is antonica and tunariaThe crypt was originally built upon Antonica in an age long past to house the dead kings of a long dead ancient race. That race called it Lxanvom that means in their tongue, ‘Kings Rest’. --Many ages ago, in a time that only the spirits of the ancestor dragons can recall, a long dead ancient race, The Xulous they are called in the tales of my kind, did build upon the lands that would become Tunaria a great necropolis to house their dead kings.--Then vhalen goes to say that the Obelisk of Lost Souls is the Tower of Rot in the south western area of tunaria which Everling said he went to, taking into consideration the dates of the arrival of anchorsVhalen - The Obelisk of Lost Souls has many names. The Obelisk is a myth to most Norrathians. This deadly place has also been called the Obelisk of the Void, The Tower of Shadows, The Tower of Rot and the Obelisk of Vul, as well as many others less popular. This place is oblivion and those unlucky enough to discover this dungeon are forsaken and never to be seen again save for the few who live to tell the taleEverling - “Dear family, Do not seek me for I am in oblivion. We have found eternal torment in the Tower of Rot. I offer our lives in exchange for this gift to my house. The masters of the manor shall all own the Idol of Mor’Tael. The legion of the one merchant shall be chosen and eternal prosperity shall rule the House of Everling.”Berrox must be the ruins surrounding the tower in Feerott and the crypt ripped away from antonica to the plane of disease somewhere around that area (probably the dead hills)

Meirril

11-21-2011, 01:01 AM

<cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Remembrances Berrox must have happened on norrath as it says in two of the books that it is antonica and tunariaThe crypt was originally built upon Antonica in an age long past to house the dead kings of a long dead ancient race. That race called it Lxanvom that means in their tongue, ‘Kings Rest’. --Many ages ago, in a time that only the spirits of the ancestor dragons can recall, a long dead ancient race, The Xulous they are called in the tales of my kind, did build upon the lands that would become Tunaria a great necropolis to house their dead kings.--Then vhalen goes to say that the Obelisk of Lost Souls is the Tower of Rot in the south western area of tunaria which Everling said he went to, taking into consideration the dates of the arrival of anchorsVhalen - The Obelisk of Lost Souls has many names. The Obelisk is a myth to most Norrathians. This deadly place has also been called the Obelisk of the Void, The Tower of Shadows, The Tower of Rot and the Obelisk of Vul, as well as many others less popular. This place is oblivion and those unlucky enough to discover this dungeon are forsaken and never to be seen again save for the few who live to tell the taleEverling - “Dear family, Do not seek me for I am in oblivion. We have found eternal torment in the Tower of Rot. I offer our lives in exchange for this gift to my house. The masters of the manor shall all own the Idol of Mor’Tael. The legion of the one merchant shall be chosen and eternal prosperity shall rule the House of Everling.”Berrox must be the ruins surrounding the tower in Feerott and the crypt ripped away from antonica to the plane of disease somewhere around that area (probably the dead hills)</blockquote>Where in Rememberances: Bertox does it menton anything about Norath, Tunaria or any other location on Norrath? That all comes from the Ixanvon book.As for the Obelisk of Lost Souls, it apparently was discovered during the age of Cataclysms. The entire Everling history doesn't begin until that age. Also the ruins around the tower are the ruins of Oggok, the ancestral Ogre city. I remember Oggok from EQ1, there was a huge cavern system in it but nothing like the Obelisk was in the area. The void anchor was definately built after the Greemist struck the ogres in the area due to the actions of the Rallosian Army or they would of invaded the obelisk and forced the issue centuries ago.From notes in the Obelisk of Lost Souls it appears to be the first void anchor on Norrath, where the Shadowmen gathered information on Norrath so they could plan their invasion. That also explains why it has a system of portals to other locations on Norrath which other portals ment for the invasion lack.

ratbast

11-21-2011, 02:00 AM

maybe its just my desire to solidify connections. These are the text connections of Necropolis of Lxanvon and Rembrances - Berrox. book: _________Berrox__________________ Lxanvon crypt name: ____Kings Rest _______________Kings Rest(Lxanvon translated)pied piper name: Chancelor Ultor Szanvon____ Ultor Szanvon the Putrids political structure:King,nobles, chancelor______king, advisors, priestprimary religion: _ancestor worship__________ancestor worshipritual:__________ritual with kings ancestors___ritual with kings ancestorsfor the record i do see the discrepencies, such as one story has obelisk theme and other has dragon theme. Both stories have connection to Norrath via 'Kings Rest' name. But only Lxanvon has connection via 'Tunaria' and "In a Norrathian age long past" and it mentions "Veeshan" and her dragons. Its the storyline and names and places of story that have strongest connection. Berrox only has 1 thing directly tied to norrath - Kings Rest. I can understand reluctance to accept its the same planet, as Ultor could travel to other worlds and follow same political scheme, in Berrox he has available obelisk for off-world exploits. The big problem with that theory is that Ultor doesnt have control over how they name their crypts, so then you have to say its the same race. IMO, occom's razor says they are same story. For me, the core storyline plus name evidence is conclusive.

Mixxit

11-21-2011, 04:33 AM

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Alluvial@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Remembrances Berrox must have happened on norrath as it says in two of the books that it is antonica and tunariaThe crypt was originally built upon Antonica in an age long past to house the dead kings of a long dead ancient race. That race called it Lxanvom that means in their tongue, ‘Kings Rest’. --Many ages ago, in a time that only the spirits of the ancestor dragons can recall, a long dead ancient race, The Xulous they are called in the tales of my kind, did build upon the lands that would become Tunaria a great necropolis to house their dead kings.--Then vhalen goes to say that the Obelisk of Lost Souls is the Tower of Rot in the south western area of tunaria which Everling said he went to, taking into consideration the dates of the arrival of anchorsVhalen - The Obelisk of Lost Souls has many names. The Obelisk is a myth to most Norrathians. This deadly place has also been called the Obelisk of the Void, The Tower of Shadows, The Tower of Rot and the Obelisk of Vul, as well as many others less popular. This place is oblivion and those unlucky enough to discover this dungeon are forsaken and never to be seen again save for the few who live to tell the taleEverling - “Dear family, Do not seek me for I am in oblivion. We have found eternal torment in the Tower of Rot. I offer our lives in exchange for this gift to my house. The masters of the manor shall all own the Idol of Mor’Tael. The legion of the one merchant shall be chosen and eternal prosperity shall rule the House of Everling.”Berrox must be the ruins surrounding the tower in Feerott and the crypt ripped away from antonica to the plane of disease somewhere around that area (probably the dead hills)</blockquote>Where in Rememberances: Bertox does it menton anything about Norath, Tunaria or any other location on Norrath? That all comes from the Ixanvon book.As for the Obelisk of Lost Souls, it apparently was discovered during the age of Cataclysms. The entire Everling history doesn't begin until that age. Also the ruins around the tower are the ruins of Oggok, the ancestral Ogre city. I remember Oggok from EQ1, there was a huge cavern system in it but nothing like the Obelisk was in the area. The void anchor was definately built after the Greemist struck the ogres in the area due to the actions of the Rallosian Army or they would of invaded the obelisk and forced the issue centuries ago.From notes in the Obelisk of Lost Souls it appears to be the first void anchor on Norrath, where the Shadowmen gathered information on Norrath so they could plan their invasion. That also explains why it has a system of portals to other locations on Norrath which other portals ment for the invasion lack.</blockquote>Remembrances Berrox is the story of Lxanvon - the King Adan line are spoken of in all of the storiesRikantus was alive a long long time ago as we can see from this quote from his wife's death - the Obelisk has stood there for a long time'3145 Firstchill........ with the death of our sons, Alana's heart was broken. I buried her this morning.....'

Mixxit

11-21-2011, 04:40 AM

Also vhalen's quote:The Everling family used to run a Freeport curios shop within the latter half of the Age of Enlightenment. The shop had humble beginnings, but that changed when it became well known for rare trinkets that the Everling's used to scour the globe to import