How about disabling Parachutes / gliding abilities in PvP Combat ?

[Harbing]

Hi,topic says it all.Most PvP is imho in KOS and heres the problem:At the moment basically most fame fight ends with the (loosing) opponent cliffdiving, activating his/her parachute or cloak etc. and trying to get away as far as possible so that no one can get credit. Some land on isles below but most just float for 30 secs into the nothingness and some really "smart" guys minimize in addition. Its annoying in Solo PvP and ruins Group PvP.And dont come me with you can jump after them .. in most cases its pointless since they float as long as you with the same speed and a headstart and the chances are good that they get out of combat  once u get to them and they re now under 50% health or  they already died without you getting credit for them. Its a frigging lesser version of incombat evac combined with the cliffdiving problem we had when the floating devices/abilities werent out yet.Any Feedback ?BladesCaineVenekor

[Mildavyn]

<p>Throw a dagger at them. Any damage causes their parachute to 'break'. Problem solved.</p><p>NEEEEXT!</p>

[Naglfar]

<p>Just wait for 3 weeks, and you'll get rid of these islands.</p>

[zorros]

<cite>Naglfar@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just wait for 3 weeks, and you'll get rid of these islands.</p></blockquote><p>Yep there will be no pvp in KOS in a few weeks</p>

[Brimestar]

<cite>Paikis@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Throw a dagger at them. Any damage causes their parachute to 'break'. Problem solved.</p><p>NEEEEXT!</p></blockquote>Agreed...Obviously you never got the thrill of watching someone glide, hit them with an arrow or dot and watch them fall str8 down...It's so Warner Bros/ Wil-E-Coyote <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Harbing]

<cite>Brimestar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paikis@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Throw a dagger at them. Any damage causes their parachute to 'break'. Problem solved.</p><p>NEEEEXT!</p></blockquote>Agreed...Obviously you never got the thrill of watching someone glide, hit them with an arrow or dot and watch them fall str8 down...It's so Warner Bros/ Wil-E-Coyote <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>I know this works with the faes gliding ability but are you 100% sure this also breaks the parachute / cloak floating ? I could ve sworn i hit those guys with melee (reach) and my ranged CA as they leaped off.... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> .... well,  3 weeks with plenty of testing ahead of me i guess.BladesCaineVenekor

[Mildavyn]

<p>I am 100% certain.</p><p>They could simply have waited until they dropped out of LOS/range. </p>

[Oobo]

The ONLY thing wrong with throwing crap at them is if the minimize the screen it pretty much freezes them in place and u just leave it like that till the combat music is over and BAM no lose...the get away clean...even though soe claims this cant be done its BS i know it can i have tried it and got away clean no infamy lost.

[Greenion]

<p><span style="color: #339900;">this is why mmorpgs should not be minimizable while being played...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">that and other third party programs...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">and is also why games need built in voicechat - um, especially factionally based pvp games (since its so simple to xteam on vent)</span></p>

[Tarlok]

<p>The bard line offers a huge damage reduction add on to safe fall.  Even if you make a fey stop gliding that may still kick in.  Removing parachutes and glide woud do little to stop this behavior, they would just group up with a bard.</p><p>I do agree with you Green about the built in voice chat.  Its soo much easier than typing, and if a console can do it with prety much any online game they have it should not be hard to code it into eq2.  Imagine the convience of forming a party, you join party voice chat.  Just one example of how it would improve this game.</p>

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Tarlok wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The bard line offers a huge damage reduction add on to safe fall.  Even if you make a fey stop gliding that may still kick in.  Removing parachutes and glide woud do little to stop this behavior, they would just group up with a bard.</p><p>I do agree with you Green about the built in voice chat.  Its soo much easier than typing, and if a console can do it with prety much any online game they have it should not be hard to code it into eq2.  Imagine the convience of forming a party, you join party voice chat.  Just one example of how it would improve this game.</p></blockquote><p>Firstly, not many bards PvP. Secondly, we're talking about jumping off islands in KoS zones. Thirdly, bards do not increase safefall, or reduce damage taken.</p><p>Voicechat would be nice, but ventrillo is free to download...</p>

[Tarlok]

I guess its a dirge thing, one of their EoF aa line will reduce damage taken when falling.  I havn't really done much with the EoF tree yet so I stand corrected.  As to the falling off the island thing.  Not much anyone can do about that really, parachutes or no, one will eventually die.  Honestly though if they want to damage their equipment to save their precious title let them.

[Greenion]

<p>Voicechat would be nice, but ventrillo is free to download...</p><p><span style="color: #339900;">its also free to xteam with.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">edit> as well as minimalization of the game window or playing in windowed mode facilitates the easy use of other third party programs, some of which are outright hacks.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">playing in windowed mode also creates ingame warping effects (this is fairly well known at this point, no need to be coy about it)</span></p>

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Tarlok wrote:</cite><blockquote>I guess its a dirge thing, one of their EoF aa line will reduce damage taken when falling.  I havn't really done much with the EoF tree yet so I stand corrected.  </blockquote><p>Guess so, I tihnk I remember something about them getting an AA to reduce the casting time of their stealth and also reduce their falling damage.</p><p>I know for a fact that they can't reduce falling damage for their group though.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900;">this is why mmorpgs should not be minimizable while being played...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">that and other third party programs...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">and is also why games need built in voicechat - um, especially factionally based pvp games (since its so simple to xteam on vent)</span></p></blockquote>No, these are all just arguments for dumb clients. The server should do all the heavy lifting and keep track of positions, the client should just be an input/output program.

[Greenion]

<p><span style="color: #339900;">no it is a fact that vent can easily be used to xteam communicate during gameplay.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">it is also a fact that if one could not minimize to windowed mode or to desktop that one could not possibly toggle third party programs running alongside the game (ie : hacks)</span></p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900;">no it is a fact that vent can easily be used to xteam communicate during gameplay.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">it is also a fact that if one could not minimize to windowed mode or to desktop that one could not possibly toggle third party programs running alongside the game (ie : hacks)</span></p></blockquote>Its also a fact that you dont need to be able to toggle to use 3rd party programs.

[Greenion]

<p><span style="color: #339900;">have you alot of experience using hacks</span><span style="color: #00ff00;">?</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">some warping is caused by dragging the game window while in windowed mode</span> (<span style="color: #339900;">which couldnt be done if no one could play the game in windowed mode</span>)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">> <span style="color: #339900;">also it is the responsibility of the game's authors to ensure that no crossfactional commo happens within their factional pvp environment</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">imo</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">a lack of such maintanance shows a lack of care to the integrity of the game</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">edit</span>> <span style="color: #339900;">i know this because my wife plays in windowed mode and uses IM alot while playing</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">it peeves me a great deal to be grouped with someone that could be rightly accused of exploiting at times</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">gimme a break</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">everyone knows this game has been punched by so many holes via hacks and plat sales its a true wonder its still alive</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">edit2</span>><span style="color: #339900;"> i am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that there never will be an online game that is played fairly for the sake of enjoyment of contest</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">playing games online is becoming simply more irritating than fun imo</span> - <span style="color: #339900;">due to a combination of development driven and player driven reasons</span>.</span></p>

[Muraazi]

<p>Yeah, make it so eq2 can't be windowed or minimized, Theres a really super duper good suggestion. /sarcasm.</p><p>Get real dude. How about suggest that they fix the lag created by minimizing... Eq2 is the only mmo I've played where minimizing does what it does here. Every other mmo that I've played it doesn't effect your ingame status at all.</p><p>But suggesting to make a game unwindowable/unminimizable is pretty silly, especially an MMO, for the sole purpose of making it not effect PvP on what 3 whole servers (run on sentences ftw). A type of game where no matter how smart/clever/unforgetful you are, you will use a 3rd party website to help with a quest/harvest item/whatever.</p><p>Ofcourse there is the ingame browser now which does help alot. However that does nothing for instant message programs and what not, that people like to use while playing these types of games.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Greenion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #339900;">have you alot of experience using hacks</span><span style="color: #00ff00;">?</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">some warping is caused by dragging the game window while in windowed mode</span> (<span style="color: #339900;">which couldnt be done if no one could play the game in windowed mode</span>)</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;">> <span style="color: #339900;">also it is the responsibility of the game's authors to ensure that no crossfactional commo happens within their factional pvp environment</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">imo</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">a lack of such maintanance shows a lack of care to the integrity of the game</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">edit</span>> <span style="color: #339900;">i know this because my wife plays in windowed mode and uses IM alot while playing</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">it peeves me a great deal to be grouped with someone that could be rightly accused of exploiting at times</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">gimme a break</span>, <span style="color: #339900;">everyone knows this game has been punched by so many holes via hacks and plat sales its a true wonder its still alive</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #99cc00;">edit2</span>><span style="color: #339900;"> i am beginning to arrive at the conclusion that there never will be an online game that is played fairly for the sake of enjoyment of contest</span>.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ff00;"><span style="color: #339900;">playing games online is becoming simply more irritating than fun imo</span> - <span style="color: #339900;">due to a combination of development driven and player driven reasons</span>.</span></p></blockquote>and if the game was properly set up with a dumb client system, no fidgeting around with anything client side would make warping happen. Or any other time compression effects for that matter. Server decides.

[Greenion]

<p><span style="color: #339900;">maybe im not talking about eqii.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">you are entitled to your opinions, i think games that facilitate cheating flatly suck.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">this one is beginning to. (it aready has sucked a bit up till now as well imo)</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">which is why i say i dont think that a game will evr exist that is a pure gameplay experience...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">for alot of reasons...money, fear, insecurities, etcs...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">who gives a crap lol.</span></p>

[eu]

<cite>Naglfar@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just wait for 3 weeks, and you'll get rid of these islands.</p></blockquote>I wish but unfortunately I have a feeling no matter what is in the expansion all the pvp will still be in KOS. I hope I am wrong but id put money on it after the first few weeks it all goes back to KOS.

[Dannd]

<cite>Harbinger wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hi,topic says it all.Most PvP is imho in KOS and heres the problem:At the moment basically most fame fight ends with the (loosing) opponent cliffdiving, activating his/her parachute or cloak etc. and trying to get away as far as possible so that no one can get credit. Some land on isles below but most just float for 30 secs into the nothingness and some really "smart" guys minimize in addition. Its annoying in Solo PvP and ruins Group PvP.And dont come me with you can jump after them .. in most cases its pointless since they float as long as you with the same speed and a headstart and the chances are good that they get out of combat  once u get to them and they re now under 50% health or  they already died without you getting credit for them. Its a frigging lesser version of incombat evac combined with the cliffdiving problem we had when the floating devices/abilities werent out yet.Any Feedback ?BladesCaineVenekor</blockquote><p>Here's my feedback:  Quit yer whining noob!!!  PVP till you're red in the face, and you might move beyond General.  Seriously, anyone who can't get beyond General is a noob.</p><p>Oh wait, he's a fellow guildie...soz m8.</p>