How is the PvP on Nagafen nowadays?

[Vinyard]

<p>Hey everyone, im back after about a 3-4 month break. I have an 18 swashbuckler ( halfling ) on nagafen and was wondering how the pvp is? Still a twink gankfest? Any actualy fights? What times are good to find a fight? </p><p>you know, stuff of that jazz</p><p>thanks</p>

[Vinyard]

<p>Now my guess is that everyone is having so much fun, that they dont have the time to make a response</p><p> i understand <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Elephanton]

You should post server-specific stuff on the corresponding server's Forum.

[Bozidar]

<p>it's hot and heavy, come on back.</p><p>but.. uhm.. look out <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Someone's gonna die.. </p>

[Xeneros]

<p>I don't understand what everyone's big gripe is.</p><p>I bought EQ2 when it came out. I played for all of a month, then quit. I came back 2-3 weeks ago to try out the PvP. I say that just to show that I know next to nothing about the game. </p><p>I have played my toon now around 20 total hours. 15 brig / 20 armor with 12 AAs. Without buying plat, in that time, I have crafted MC gear (major armor slots and weapons), and have upgraded a number of spells to AD3, and gotten my slayer title. </p><p>I don't know any other game where you could spend only 20 hours and accomplish all of that, and be competitive in PvP for your group. </p><p>For those whining about twinking, if a person can do it in under 20 hours that has zero concept of game mechanics, or how things work, what is there to whine about? I can't picture anything "less hardcore" than that. </p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Xeneros wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't understand what everyone's big gripe is.</p><p>I bought EQ2 when it came out. I played for all of a month, then quit. I came back 2-3 weeks ago to try out the PvP. I say that just to show that I know next to nothing about the game. </p><p>I have played my toon now around 20 total hours. 15 brig / 20 armor with 12 AAs. Without buying plat, in that time, I have crafted MC gear (major armor slots and weapons), and have upgraded a number of spells to AD3, and gotten my slayer title. </p><p>I don't know any other game where you could spend only 20 hours and accomplish all of that, and be competitive in PvP for your group. </p><p>For those whining about twinking, if a person can do it in under 20 hours that has zero concept of game mechanics, or how things work, what is there to whine about? I can't picture anything "less hardcore" than that. </p></blockquote>I think the issue people have is that they go up against veterans, and well, they dont seem to like dying over and over, ad nauseum.

[KannaWhoopass]

<cite>Xeneros wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't understand what everyone's big gripe is.</p><p>I bought EQ2 when it came out. I played for all of a month, then quit. I came back 2-3 weeks ago to try out the PvP. I say that just to show that I know next to nothing about the game. </p><p>I have played my toon now around 20 total hours. 15 brig / 20 armor with 12 AAs. Without buying plat, in that time, I have crafted MC gear (major armor slots and weapons), and have upgraded a number of spells to AD3, and gotten my slayer title. </p><p>I don't know any other game where you could spend only 20 hours and accomplish all of that, and be competitive in PvP for your group. </p><p>For those whining about twinking, if a person can do it in under 20 hours that has zero concept of game mechanics, or how things work, what is there to whine about? I can't picture anything "less hardcore" than that. </p></blockquote><p>So in 20 hours you have </p><p>leveled to 15 brig.</p><p>Leveled to 20 armorer</p><p>harvested a set of mastercrafted gear. </p><p>harvested enough to have someone else make you your adept III spells </p><p>PvP enough to be a slayer</p><p>Wow .. in about 20 min i expect you will be level 70 and solo leveled a guild to 60. </p><p>What is yer character name ?</p><p>All in one post you managed to say you are new and prove you are not.</p><p>So how does this relate to a new player?</p>

[Bloodfa]

<p>The guy shows you it can be done, and your sole response is sarcasm?  Do you even <i>play</i> on the server?  You seem to be aware of all of the issues with PvP, but when somebody <i>actually</i> does succeed at it, your first response is to rub dirt in their face?  That is pretty poor sportsmanship.</p><p>To the original poster, yes, it's still a gankfest at T2.  But it gets better at T3.  A blast at T4.  Better on all the way up.  Except for T7 at Barren Sky.  I'll run there with a group, but I'll also say that it's not my first choice.  Nor even my fifth.  Although it is funny watching a General run and jump off the islands when the group he was stalking turns and runs him down.  </p><p>Xeneros, well done.  Even though you're on that other team. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>KannaWhoopass wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xeneros wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't understand what everyone's big gripe is.</p><p>I bought EQ2 when it came out. I played for all of a month, then quit. I came back 2-3 weeks ago to try out the PvP. I say that just to show that I know next to nothing about the game. </p><p>I have played my toon now around 20 total hours. 15 brig / 20 armor with 12 AAs. Without buying plat, in that time, I have crafted MC gear (major armor slots and weapons), and have upgraded a number of spells to AD3, and gotten my slayer title. </p><p>I don't know any other game where you could spend only 20 hours and accomplish all of that, and be competitive in PvP for your group. </p><p>For those whining about twinking, if a person can do it in under 20 hours that has zero concept of game mechanics, or how things work, what is there to whine about? I can't picture anything "less hardcore" than that. </p></blockquote><p>So in 20 hours you have </p><p>leveled to 15 brig.</p><p>Leveled to 20 armorer</p><p>harvested a set of mastercrafted gear. </p><p>harvested enough to have someone else make you your adept III spells </p><p>PvP enough to be a slayer</p><p>Wow .. in about 20 min i expect you will be level 70 and solo leveled a guild to 60. </p><p>What is yer character name ?</p><p>All in one post you managed to say you are new and prove you are not.</p><p>So how does this relate to a new player?</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps he is a new player that decided to read up on things before logging on and getting ganked over and over again while whining about how broken everything is?</p><p>Seriously, in 20 hours of game-play, this is very doable.</p>

[DravynX]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The guy shows you it can be done, and your sole response is sarcasm?  Do you even <i>play</i> on the server?  You seem to be aware of all of the issues with PvP, but when somebody <i>actually</i> does succeed at it, your first response is to rub dirt in their face?  That is pretty poor sportsmanship.</p><p>To the original poster, yes, it's still a gankfest at T2.  But it gets better at T3.  A blast at T4.  Better on all the way up.  Except for T7 at Barren Sky.  I'll run there with a group, but I'll also say that it's not my first choice.  Nor even my fifth.  Although it is funny watching a General run and jump off the islands when the group he was stalking turns and runs him down.  </p><p>Xeneros, well done.  Even though you're on that other team. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p></blockquote><p>I think Kanna's point here is that this guy is either flat out lying or is heavily exaggerating. What he did in twenty hours sounds to me like what a returning player or an experienced player would do. I'd be sarcastic too. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt in 20 hours you could harvest enough t2 rares for a mastercrafted set and adepts, much less have a lvl 20 crafter and a titled level 15 character, even as an experienced player, much less as a brand new player. I've seen other brand new players on this board proclaiming their uber t2 survivability giving much more realistic figures, such as several weeks.</p><p>On the one character I actually geared up for T2, it took me almost a week of playtime after work, which equated to about four hours a night, to harvest enough t2 rares for an mc set, weapons, and adepts..and that was with no actual playing..so close to 20 hours in just harvesting alone. I've done the same for t3 in Zarvonn's in around four to six hours, and that's a repeatable crafting zone with nodes a few feet apart. </p>

[Greenion]

<p><span style="color: #339900;">dood is not a noob.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">my wife, lol, now she was a noob...couldnt even frigging run straight. serious lol.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">someone having played eqii through pve (or having played other mmorpgs) alot and reading and researching about the pvp system before playing it, is not at all the avg pvp noob, you might as well have your head in the sand if you think this.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">my wife, the once noob, joined a guild and survived, leveled up to 50, now plays three exiles and is pvping with me in t3 with 3/4 the level range of the game carnaged to us.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">i helped her come along, so did her guild (when she was factioned)...some noobs dont have any of that.</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">a typical noob doesnt have any ingame contacts at all. imo, nor prior knowledge of teh game usually beyond digging the chick on the box...</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">>OP<> sry bout that, i play on venekor so...i hear nagafen is the more dense of the two populations (by a fairly wide margin)</span></p><p><span style="color: #339900;">edit> of course there is absolutely no pun intended <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span></p>

[Bloodfa]

<cite>DravynX wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The guy shows you it can be done, and your sole response is sarcasm?  Do you even <i>play</i> on the server?  You seem to be aware of all of the issues with PvP, but when somebody <i>actually</i> does succeed at it, your first response is to rub dirt in their face?  That is pretty poor sportsmanship.</p><p>To the original poster, yes, it's still a gankfest at T2.  But it gets better at T3.  A blast at T4.  Better on all the way up.  Except for T7 at Barren Sky.  I'll run there with a group, but I'll also say that it's not my first choice.  Nor even my fifth.  Although it is funny watching a General run and jump off the islands when the group he was stalking turns and runs him down.  </p><p>Xeneros, well done.  Even though you're on that other team. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p></blockquote><p>I think Kanna's point here is that this guy is either flat out lying or is heavily exaggerating. What he did in twenty hours sounds to me like what a returning player or an experienced player would do. I'd be sarcastic too. As a matter of fact, I seriously doubt in 20 hours you could harvest enough t2 rares for a mastercrafted set and adepts, much less have a lvl 20 crafter and a titled level 15 character, even as an experienced player, much less as a brand new player. I've seen other brand new players on this board proclaiming their uber t2 survivability giving much more realistic figures, such as several weeks.</p><p>On the one character I actually geared up for T2, it took me almost a week of playtime after work, which equated to about four hours a night, to harvest enough t2 rares for an mc set, weapons, and adepts..and that was with no actual playing..so close to 20 hours in just harvesting alone. I've done the same for t3 in Zarvonn's in around four to six hours, and that's a repeatable crafting zone with nodes a few feet apart. </p></blockquote>The poster stated that he'd played before and came back a few weeks ago.  With a little help and guidance, it can easily be done.  I have no problem pulling about a dozen rares in T2 an hour, but that's with a 70, but if you don't mind dying it can be done at half that rate.  Blackened Iron has come down quite a bit in price, so selling 5 silver and coral clusters to afford 1 BIC isn't a bad tradeoff.

[ladyvengeance]

<p>You know, I asked about this over on Venekor. I was considering transfering one of my toons over to Naggy so I could get into more twinked groups because as it is most groups that invite me have all noob gear on. A few people who play on both servers told me not to bother; they said that Naggy was full of greedy people and twinked out raid groups. </p><p>Don't flame me --- I'm just reporting on what they told me. Are they wrong?</p>

[Bloodfa]

Errrr ... couldn't tell you, honestly, about what the twink groups are like to run with, aside from having been on the receiving end of more than a few "what the eff wuzzat?!?!" clobberings.  I have a couple of them (twinks) stationed at a couple of places, but they only come out for home territory defense.  Otherwise they're used for tradeskilling.Same lack of experience dealing with greedy folks.  I mean, sure, there are some greedy players, but a lot more that behave maturely.  But why transfer over, if you're going to lock at T2?  You can do it very quickly.  Moreso if you've got somebody already over here that you know, to help hook you up, and there are a lot of people that transfered over.  * Oh, duh, sorry, was trying to take care of a couple of things while posting.  You meant greedy as in harvesting?  I think?  If so, there's some, like anywhere else, but you'll likely run into more of the other faction farming than your own.

[Xeneros]

<p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=1048310120" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...erId=1048310120</a></p><p>Slayer Dirr Tee, (now) a 16 ratonga brig / 20 armorer / 13AA. Total play time: 1 day, 1 hour, 46 minutes. I played for ~4 hours last night finishing up leveling all my harvesting skills to T3 capability, then finished my T3 harvesting quest in TS for the free advanced armorsmithing book, and then went back and vendored everything I had gathered that I didn't use. </p><p>I played this game to 21 with a defiler and 20 with a guardian when it FIRST came out, then bailed because I didn't enjoy it (I'm much more for PvP in games than anything else). </p><p>I started out in neriak. Leveling to 9 took all of no time. I locked. I then went around gathering, and finishing as many quests as I could. I leveled up my armorsmithing to ~15 (had a full crafted set good to go for when I dinged). I made a ton of backpacks. I bought the rare T1 pelts for coppers, and turned them into 8 slot backpacks which I sold for gold. I found a pristine BI dirk up for 5g which I imbued and kept. I found a couple of other little things like that, and made some money there. I sold off the rares I collected. I then went and turned in all of my quests. I unlocked and leveled quickly to 14, and locked again. I picked my way across butcherblock without a map (just the EQMap mod), and not knowing where I was going. I went to GFay, and did quests there while killing. I got slayer in one night of playing. Wasn't hard, even with only a few slots of MC. I killed anything that conned within my range (healing classes suck without WoW castbar alerts... No way to time interrupts). </p><p>Since then, I filled out the rest of my main armor slots with BI iron. I have already collected 2 T3 rares to make MC gear with. I have 1p on my toon, and about 50g worth of crap on the broker. </p><p>I'm still not the best around. I am not COMPLETELY decked out in MC / Masters skills (I have no masters skills, just some AD3 and the rest AD1). However, I AM able to compete. Those people wishing to jump right in and be able to beat anyone need to get a life. Those wishing to jump right in and be COMPETITIVE... it is completely possible with the way things are. </p>

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>ladyvengeance wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You know, I asked about this over on Venekor. I was considering transfering one of my toons over to Naggy so I could get into more twinked groups because as it is most groups that invite me have all noob gear on. A few people who play on both servers told me not to bother; they said that Naggy was full of greedy people and twinked out raid groups. </p><p>Don't flame me --- I'm just reporting on what they told me. Are they wrong?</p></blockquote>I see plenty of self-proclaimed twink groups in Freeport.  Are you on the *right* side? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Xeneros]

<p>Actually, while we are talking about it... any active guilds looking for another toon on naggy, dark side?</p>

[Xeneros]

<p>What, so all the hardaces coming on here calling me a liar got nothing to say now?</p>

[Ba]

about you looking for a guild? what?

[DravynX]

<cite>Xeneros wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What, so all the hardaces coming on here calling me a liar got nothing to say now?</p></blockquote><p>I don't think you really want to go there. So, in this "20 hours" where you've done all this (on one character), are you including the almost 12 hours of played time on the alchemist you made a few days before that one? Because that's obviously where you get your adepts. Or the almost 9 hours of played time on your scholar? How about the 55 levels of experience you already had spread between three characters? </p><p>Nobody called you a liar, what was said is that a "new" player can't do what you did, because that obviously takes some experience, which you have, provided by your very own links. Going by your own character history, it actually took you at least 32 hours of actual play time to get your lvl 16 slayer with MC and adepts and xx amounts of AA.</p><p>Nice try though.</p>

[Xeneros]

<cite>DravynX wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xeneros wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What, so all the hardaces coming on here calling me a liar got nothing to say now?</p></blockquote><p>I don't think you really want to go there. So, in this "20 hours" where you've done all this (on one character), are you including the almost 12 hours of played time on the alchemist you made a few days before that one? Because that's obviously where you get your adepts. Or the almost 9 hours of played time on your scholar? How about the 55 levels of experience you already had spread between three characters? </p><p>Nobody called you a liar, what was said is that a "new" player can't do what you did, because that obviously takes some experience, which you have, provided by your very own links. Going by your own character history, it actually took you at least 32 hours of actual play time to get your lvl 16 slayer with MC and adepts and xx amounts of AA.</p><p>Nice try though.</p></blockquote><p>No, I didn't include the 12 hours of playtime on the necro because none of that contributed to my brig except for the brig passing over a rare and the necro crafting the AD3. The brig even mailed the necro gold so I had money to buy the rare books to craft the spells. </p><p>EVEN taking into account those extra 12 hours of play time, that is STILL only a day and a half played. Show me any other game where you could do that and be competitive. There aren't any. </p><p>And if you want to talk about the "55 levels I have spread between different characters", I am pretty sure that I mentioned leveling a fighter -> guardian, and a healer -> defiler when the game first came out. If you're citing having two level 20 characters as having experience with the game, you're [Removed for Content] nuts, not even taking into consideration that when I leveled them, there were no expansions or even adventuer packs. You started out with one of four base classes, and then moved on. The game is nothing now like it used to be. </p><p>You can [Removed for Content] and moan all you want, but the fact remains that if someone can come in with a little knowledge of the game (I'll even give you that, not saying "none" ) and play well, then the rest of you that are whining about it are either lazy or just plain bad.</p>

[DravynX]

Don't get all defensive Xeneros, I just call it as I see it. You made a claim, provided a link to your character history, and it turns out that your claim isn't exactly true. Point still stands that brand new players don't have the experience going in that you had, dont' know where to go, what to farm or what to even make. All they know is that they're getting constantly ganked by characters that, to them, are virtually invulnerable. Because of t2 twinked level locking pvp, higher tier pvp and new player pvp is stagnating.