Harvesting is just plain ugly

[Eridu]

Well I can't log in on my girlfriends account who needs her tailoring skillup so going to run through something that happened this morning.I'm out harvesting for a Tier 5 tailor and am blissfully alone in the zone.  I clear harvest.  Every once in a while I do a /who to see how soon the heartache will descend.  Eventually the /who isn't just one person, there are suddenly 10 people in the zone. Time to get the heck out of Dodge I figure so out I go - harvesting the last of the dens, roots, wood and ore on the way.  I'm choking on stone and shrubs already as it is so I leave those since hey I had to clear those myself anyways.So what to I run into but BANG another player come to harvest.  I get a /tell asking what I'm doing.  I send back I'm leaving zone's all yours.  Then I get back the first of the bombard about being a farmer, how Im ruining the game and how this person only sent me a tell to set up for telling me that they were planning to follow me around tapping my gathers.  All I'd said was I'm leaving, zone's all yours.At first I tried to commiserate saying that I thought harvesting should be instanced but the person wouldn't stop. Im still new to this game comparatively so I tried an /ignore <player> which seemed to work but then the person started ranting in /ooc think it was.I've stopped playing EQ2 twice now since I started last year.  Both times have been over the frustration and insanity that arises around Harvesting.  Both times I've gone back to Dark Age but have this month quit that for the last time.  Server population is dead there and so the game is joyless.Now I don't play a game to log on to get dragged into arguments with other players because I'm doing what the game mechanics enforce me to do.  I don't play a MMO to CRINGE when I see another player come into the clip plane, certainly not while doing PvE.I don't mind the  crafting system.  I didn't mind it before the writs gave experience. I didn't even mind the Book quests with placeholders and rare spawned mobs all that much - though once I'd finished them I'd decided I'd never do them on another character again.I do mind, mind very much the Harvesting mechanic.Crafting is a fundamental element in the gameplay of an MMO.  Contention often is but that's PvP.  I'm not posting this for Player pile on, don't really care much what the would be Bill Gates or Andrew Carnegie crowd have to say about much of anything.  If you want to fly into <span class="ResultBody">paroxysms of glee because you've cornered the Tier 3 loam market good on you, have fun yippie.  I play a game to have fun, the Harvesting mechanic is beyond unfun, it's a game breaker.  Just figure the Developers should hear it since it's yet again probably going to be the cause for /cancelation.</span>

[Kirianna1]

So, you were accused of being a farmer, simply because you were in a zone harvesting? That is odd... you sure there isn't more to it? I can honestly say I've never had that experience in all my time playing EQII (since launch). I have done plenty of harvesting and have two level 70 crafters and a third on the way. I've come across node-nabbers and griefers in that time and while it's frustrating, I certainly wouldn't cancel over it. You'll find these types of people everywhere.

[Jrral]

It sounds like the guy you ran into's a variety of twit. One result of cherry-picking is a zone full of bushes and often wood and little else, and most farmers are cherry-pickers. From what you said he said, he's a cherry-picker who was expecting to be able to follow along behind someone else, letting them clear the not-so-valuable nodes while he grabbed the best ones from the respawns, and here his chosen victim is not only not playing but has left <i>him</i> the not-so-valuable nodes to clear. So he's doubly angry: he can't use his favorite way of getting easy harvests, and if he goes to clear the nodes someone else will use his tactic on him.

[NANEEJE]

What level were you compared to him? not that it matters but wouldn't he be happy that you just knocked around all thenodes? now the rares might have more of a chance? Confusing, but distressing that you would end your eq2 career over an idiot like that... ignore is good, and you know what? If I ever run into a problem with that, the level channels will come in handy.... ignore doesnt always work, as they can use those, but what person will take his side? none, thank you for harvesting, because its nice to know that others out there are making an honest living too... good luck have fun, and don't quit, not worth quitting over. in addition, I am on AB , most populated server and I have never heard of that happening, (shinies are a different story.)

[zaneluke]

<cite>Eridu wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well I can't log in on my girlfriends account who needs her tailoring skillup so going to run through something that happened this morning.I'm out harvesting for a Tier 5 tailor and am blissfully alone in the zone.  I clear harvest.  Every once in a while I do a /who to see how soon the heartache will descend.  Eventually the /who isn't just one person, there are suddenly 10 people in the zone. Time to get the heck out of Dodge I figure so out I go - harvesting the last of the dens, roots, wood and ore on the way.  I'm choking on stone and shrubs already as it is so I leave those since hey I had to clear those myself anyways.So what to I run into but BANG another player come to harvest.  I get a /tell asking what I'm doing.  I send back I'm leaving zone's all yours.  Then I get back the first of the bombard about being a farmer, how Im ruining the game and how this person only sent me a tell to set up for telling me that they were planning to follow me around tapping my gathers.  All I'd said was I'm leaving, zone's all yours.At first I tried to commiserate saying that I thought harvesting should be instanced but the person wouldn't stop. Im still new to this game comparatively so I tried an /ignore <player> which seemed to work but then the person started ranting in /ooc think it was.I've stopped playing EQ2 twice now since I started last year.  Both times have been over the frustration and insanity that arises around Harvesting.  Both times I've gone back to Dark Age but have this month quit that for the last time.  Server population is dead there and so the game is joyless.Now I don't play a game to log on to get dragged into arguments with other players because I'm doing what the game mechanics enforce me to do.  I don't play a MMO to CRINGE when I see another player come into the clip plane, certainly not while doing PvE.I don't mind the  crafting system.  I didn't mind it before the writs gave experience. I didn't even mind the Book quests with placeholders and rare spawned mobs all that much - though once I'd finished them I'd decided I'd never do them on another character again.I do mind, mind very much the Harvesting mechanic.Crafting is a fundamental element in the gameplay of an MMO.  Contention often is but that's PvP.  I'm not posting this for Player pile on, don't really care much what the would be Bill Gates or Andrew Carnegie crowd have to say about much of anything.  If you want to fly into <span class="ResultBody">paroxysms of glee because you've cornered the Tier 3 loam market good on you, have fun yippie.  I play a game to have fun, the Harvesting mechanic is beyond unfun, it's a game breaker.  Just figure the Developers should hear it since it's yet again probably going to be the cause for /cancelation.</span></blockquote>The community sucks. Plain and simple. Yes there are some very cool people out there. But all and all a majority of the people that harvest and craft are just plain mean. I have parked my toons until expansion and will come back. But with the server populations and the vast amount of plat selling going unchecked i think this game is in its final death stages as a game of mass appeal. I got the orange box for 1/2 life and played that. but in all honesty i love EQ2, but like WOW, have come to hate a good portion of the community. Most of the good people are locked away in progressive raid guilds so you do not get much time to interact with them.

[LaurnaRose Fauldorn]

Erudi, Im sorry you had to experience this.  Be assured we are not all ignorant twits.  Sometimes, you have to just resolve not to let ignorance get to you.

[Bloodfa]

<p>Sorry you've run into that.  I'm practically a farmer, for all intents and purposes (not for plat-selling, though), but collecting enough materials to tradeskill for alts, and get rares for gear, well that takes a bit of harvesting.  Sounds like you ran into somebody trying to scare you off so he could have the zone for himself, and was too dumb to comprehend that you were leaving.  It happens.  Don't let one knucklehead ruin it for you.  Most people will leave you more or less alone while harvesting.  Keep playing, enjoy yourself, and don't sweat the meatheads. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[netglen]

What's wrong with farming resource nodes anyhoot? You need to gather up a ton of resources to level all your tradeskills across your characters. Also with the changes to rares, you need to farm for hours just to get a few rares for your tradeskills. Inform the twit to take a dive off the nearest cliff and report the player for harassing you.

[ashen1973]

<p>Im sorry you had a bad experience, but I have to say that I have played EQ2 almost since launch and find the community here great, much better than other MMO's I have tried.</p><p>In that time I have never had an argument over harvesting and can count on one hand the amount of times I have had someone harvest from the node I have started on (although this is an annoyance when it happens, its no big deal to me).</p><p>Why do you leave when people enter the zone?</p><p>I always believe that everyone has just as much right to harvest in any zone as any other person. If you are a lvl 70 harvesting a tier 1 zone or a lvl 10 harvesting in tier7 its all good. </p><p>Nodes respawn at such a rate that unless there are several players all harvesting the same small area, then there is always enough to go around.</p><p>It is slightly annoying when someone clears all the metal nodes from a zone, for instance, but leaves all the bushes. But it is only a slight annoyance, especially since bush nodes started giving rare roots. Even if you dont have a provi that can use the raws, they always sell on the broker.</p><p>Please dont let this experience put you off of EQ2. The community here is, in the most part, great.</p><p>(although if you do find yourself getting into a lot of arguments over harvesting etc... it may be an idea to look at your own behaviour)</p>

[Valdaglerion]

You can always report and petition them for harrassment and disrupting your gameplay. You werent doing anything wrong period. Even harvesting a node that someone else is already harvesting isnt against the EULA, its unethical in my opinion but a EULA violation. Griefing another player and threatening them with disruptive gameplay tactics intentionally is against the EULA.Dont sweat the losers in the game, there are far more people in the game who are actually helpful. I had someone ingame recently that became beligerent with me after shouting one of the contested epics was up in the zone. This person was forming up a group to go after it and when I refused to mentor down and come help I got all sorts of profanity spewed at me. I merely said "gee, thanks for that".A few minutes later the person sent me an apology. Was very odd indeed and I have no idea what sets some people off but they simply arent worth getting into flame wars over and certainly not worth letting them interfere with your entertainment and fun.Luckily we have lots of servers and lots of people. Find a good one and enjoy!

[Dagorgil]

<cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Why do you leave when people enter the zone?</p><p>I always believe that everyone has just as much right to harvest in any zone as any other person. If you are a lvl 70 harvesting a tier 1 zone or a lvl 10 harvesting in tier7 its all good. </p><p>Nodes respawn at such a rate that unless there are several players all harvesting the same small area, then there is always enough to go around.</p></blockquote>I don't like harvesting when other people are in the same area as me either.  There are too many cherry pickers in the game.  When I go to harvest, I harvest EVERYTHING, even if I'm only after one kind of resource.  I was in Enchanted Lands the other day with my 70 Dirge, harvesting for rares and materials for my alts (Tailor and Alchemist), and had to stop for a bit because of people picking off the Ore nodes for Feyiron and leaving everything else.  That really grinds my gears.  You know what else grinds my gears?  The ratio between loam and hard metal!  I mean, Metal is all up on the stage lookin all hot and spicy, and you know all you'll be able to afford is loam, because she's cheap and available.  No matter how skilled you are with the pick up, you know you'll always come home with more loam than metal.

[greenmantle]

Harvesting isnt ugly but the attitude of some people who can hide behind a keyboad and abuse people is. Dont give up because of one twit  there are some great people in eq2  i hope the next person you meet harvesting is one of those. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Loranthala]

<cite>Dagorgil@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Why do you leave when people enter the zone?</p><p>I always believe that everyone has just as much right to harvest in any zone as any other person. If you are a lvl 70 harvesting a tier 1 zone or a lvl 10 harvesting in tier7 its all good. </p><p>Nodes respawn at such a rate that unless there are several players all harvesting the same small area, then there is always enough to go around.</p></blockquote>I don't like harvesting when other people are in the same area as me either.  There are too many cherry pickers in the game.  When I go to harvest, I harvest EVERYTHING, even if I'm only after one kind of resource.  I was in Enchanted Lands the other day with my 70 Dirge, harvesting for rares and materials for my alts (Tailor and Alchemist), and had to stop for a bit because of people picking off the Ore nodes for Feyiron and leaving everything else.  That really grinds my gears.  You know what else grinds my gears?  The ratio between loam and hard metal!  I mean, Metal is all up on the stage lookin all hot and spicy, and you know all you'll be able to afford is loam, because she's cheap and available.  No matter how skilled you are with the pick up, you know you'll always come home with more loam than metal.</blockquote><p>I see complaints about the loam ratio being to high all the time by people in the game.</p><p>I don't mind it to much being a tinkerer, but it makes weaponsmith and armoror a pain in the butt to level.</p><p>As far as the node stealers and botters, use a high level tradeskiller with the tinkerer tools, on my server there are still people who will try to take your node but you can easily get 2/3 out of it.</p>

[Elwin]

<p>Eeeeek! I have two lvl 70 trades folk with more coming along nicely and I tend to harvest a lot. </p><p>I've never come across someone like that. I'm sure.. well I hope.. that's not the norm on a lot of servers. Courtesy seems to play a part on the server I'm on with harvesting. </p><p>Every now and then you get the person that just can't seem to help themselves and harvests from the node you're harvesting from.. but that is rare too. (that makes my blood boil!)</p><p>Just ignore them and laugh at their stupidity.</p>