Is Vox really that bad.......

[Rrated]

<p>Second Noob question of the day.........LOL</p><p>Why is Vox such a bad place to start out a new toon? I understand it's a Exchange server but is that the only reason?</p>

[Xova]

<cite>Rrated wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Second Noob question of the day.........LOL</p><p>Why is Vox such a bad place to start out a new toon? I understand it's a Exchange server but is that the only reason?</p></blockquote>Simple answer: No it's not a bad place to start out. In fact, if you are new to EQ2 PvP and are feeling a little unsure, it's a great place to start out as the lower population makes newbie-ganking less prevalent.More detailed answer: A lot of people have misconceptions/prejudices about the idea of Station Exchange because it involves paying "real-life" money for "in-game" items. One of the biggest misconceptions about the Station Exchange service is that players buy coin/items directly from SOE. So with that in mind, here are a few myths and truths about the Station Exchange feature:<b>Myth: Players buy characters, items or coin directly from SOE.</b>Truth: Players can only buy characters, items and coin from other players. SOE doe not sell pre-made characters, gear, or coin amounts. Everything you see on the Station Exchange was put there by another player. Additionally, when you buy something from Station Exchange. SOE gets 10% of the purchase fee for the service, and the seller gets the rest.<b>Myth: SE Players just buy everything and don't actually go out and earn it.</b>Truth: Anything sold on the Station Exchange had to be earned by a player in the first place. Additionally, most players do not use the Station Exchange feature and instead choose to provide for themselves in-game. Those that do use the service however do so with money they earned "IRL".<b>Myth: SE Players are nothing but rich twinks that just bought all of their gear.</b>Truth: Although Vox has its fair share of twinks, it has far, far less than say Nagafen does. Numerous people have proven that it is extremely easy to twink in the lower tiers without buying plat to make it easier, and the very best gear in the higher tiers is mostly No-Trade anyway.<b>Other thoughts:</b> Most of what is bought/sold on the Station Exchange is characters and plat. Very few items are sold via the SE service on Vox. Interestingly enough, being able to equate in-game item prices to real-world dollars helps to keep our economy relatively stable. Additionally, being able to sell a toon that you no longer have a use for, as opposed to deleting it, is a nice way to get back a little reward for the time and effort you invested into the toon. It's also a good way for say, a raiding guild to quickly build up or repair a raid force. When our guild needed to work on caster DPS, several of our regular members were able to go on the SE and pick up a few caster classes. Within 48 hours we had an entirely different raid force - something that might not have been possible had it not been for SE. SE also makes it very easy to start up a new toon or switch professions. For example, I recently wanted to try out a caster class, but I hate grinding the same newbie quests over and over. So I picked up a lvl30-ish illusionist on the broker and turned it into a coercer. The other night I picked up a 52 Warlock for $40. No grind, and I have two new toons to mess around on if I like. If there is one drawback it's that SE makes it very easy for people to get up and leave the server since they can just stick their toon up for sale and go. It also means that we get the occasional new player buying a toon they have no idea how to play - recently the best-geared guardian raid tank on the server was bought by a player who had no clue how to play it (huge waste, imo.) On the whole I really enjoy playing on an SE server. I wish our server population were a little bigger, but there's only so much we can do about it.

[Rrated]

<p>Xova,</p><p>That was actually the answer I was hoping for and I appreciate your input.</p><p> Looks like there is gonna be a new Berserker in town. Not really interested in the T2 PvP. I'll probably level to T3 and slow down from there. </p><p>Thanks again!!!</p>

[Calh]

This is coming from someone who leveled a toon from 1-70 on Vox and I still have her on my toon list.Vox is fun, but dead population wise IMO, only 1 place on the whole server to see pvp action last I checked, and that was BS.I made the decision to go start a toon over on Nagafen and haven't regretted the decision since. I have the same 5 people to go roll with on Naggy, and enjoy pvp all the more, I never really have to LFG on this server.-Formally Bleu Cheese of Paradox on Vox

[Croniccaster]

<p>          Xova thats one of the best descriptions of what Vox is really like that I've read. If you see a 70 swashie with full pvp gear on the broker, its because someone took the time to level that toon up and aquire that gear just like anyone else. And you won't see many like that I promise. As for items, last time I looked there were 6 items for sale on the whole server. 2 of those were the little status items that drop from mobs someone wanted a couple bucks for. Nothing really very good at all. You do see a nice master on there every once in a while. MUCH better stuff on the in game broker. As far as plat is concerned, seems kind of high to me considering its not that hard to come by in game. And for those of you on other servers that think no one buys plat....<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. </p><p>      The only real issue I see on Vox is population. And thats not really a problem at all depending on how you like your game play. Personaly I think we need more people. But I wouldn't want thousands more. As it is now its some what easier to start a new charecter on with out as much gankage. Don't get me wrong, you'll still get ganked, part of the game. Also you can go out questing or harvesting without constantly getting rolled by groups(usually). You can solo pretty well on Vox but there's always that element of danger and I wouldn't have it any other way. Hit a couple pvp slow spots on the way to 70, but most of the time it was there. But if you want constant in your face 4x on 4x pvp, this is not the server for you. Give this server a try and I think you'll see that it being station exchange won't affect your game play at all. With more good people for grouping and pvp, this would be the best server out there for people that like a balanced game, pve and pvp. </p>

[Zaci]

Also, 1 other myth to dispell, I can almost give you a 100% guarantee that more plat is bought on nagafen than vox, any day of the week. For christs sake a quarter of the t7 pvp I get are bots!

[Myxzptlk]

<cite>Kelhen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is coming from someone who leveled a toon from 1-70 on Vox and I still have her on my toon list.Vox is fun, but dead population wise IMO, only 1 place on the whole server to see pvp action last I checked, and that was BS.I made the decision to go start a toon over on Nagafen and haven't regretted the decision since. I have the same 5 people to go roll with on Naggy, and enjoy pvp all the more, I never really have to LFG on this server.-Formally Bleu Cheese of Paradox on Vox</blockquote>I would have to say i agree with this statement completely, having leveled one toon to 55 and another to 70 on vox and played extensively. It was a fun server, with high caliber players and all of that, it just got too desolate for me and the move to nagafen, while frustrating in the beginning, was a must for me. THe danger of playing on vox is that you will spend a lot of time possibly leveling/playing/loving a character, only to find that you may have to give him up if you want to play in a sandbox with a lot more people in it.

[Roald]

<p>On vox its not so much PvP, its Player Vs Empty Zone.</p><p>Last time I checked, it was the only server showing as 'light' in terms of population, and also there were only 5 guilds recruiting in Qeynos.</p><p>Vox is also the only server that I've done a /who all on and got less that 100 people.</p>

[Jacien]

<cite>Zaci@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also, 1 other myth to dispell, I can almost give you a 100% guarantee that more plat is bought on nagafen than vox, any day of the week. For christs sake a quarter of the t7 pvp I get are bots!</blockquote>QFE

[Fluffypaws]

well ive just skim read through this forum, and what u wrote seems appealing, im gonna give vox a go when the server comes back up, regardless of the population, infact i came from darathar a v low pop pvp server (30 people online at a time was immense) so it might bring back some good memories for me. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Fluffypaws]

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[Xova]

<cite>Evermoor@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kelhen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is coming from someone who leveled a toon from 1-70 on Vox and I still have her on my toon list.Vox is fun, but dead population wise IMO, only 1 place on the whole server to see pvp action last I checked, and that was BS.I made the decision to go start a toon over on Nagafen and haven't regretted the decision since. I have the same 5 people to go roll with on Naggy, and enjoy pvp all the more, I never really have to LFG on this server.-Formally Bleu Cheese of Paradox on Vox</blockquote>I would have to say i agree with this statement completely, having leveled one toon to 55 and another to 70 on vox and played extensively. It was a fun server, with high caliber players and all of that, it just got too desolate for me and the move to nagafen, while frustrating in the beginning, was a must for me. THe danger of playing on vox is that you will spend a lot of time possibly leveling/playing/loving a character, only to find that you may have to give him up if you want to play in a sandbox with a lot more people in it. </blockquote>The great irony is that had people like yourselves stayed on Vox instead of leaving for other servers, the population wouldn't be so desolate. And that you post here to complain about the low population when you are part of the reason it is low (by virtue of having turned your back on the server) only furthers the problem. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bash or flame. But I want those who left the server to realize that they are part of the problem rather than being part of the solution.To the OP and anyone else: I'm glad my comments were appreciated. As I said, I like playing on Vox. I've been on the server since April 2006 - only a few months after it formed - and I've watched it go from having a healthy population to feeling a little desolate at times. The population could stand to be healthier, but then it's not quite the ghost town that others will make it out to be. I can find PvP easily enough if I look for it (and sometimes when I don't.) And I can actually have some room to move around and quest/adventure/etc. without worrying about being ganked every few moments.The fact that it's a Station Exchange server really has no bearing on the type of equipment players have there. As I said, it's easy to twink in lower tiers if you take the time to do it. As for the higher tiers...well...there's really only 5 guilds on the server that do any raiding (2 on FP, 2 in Exile, and 1 on the Q side) and the fact that we have a low population means that most people in T7 don't have all their PvP gear because there's just not as many players to loot tokens from. It took me almost 8 months of pretty vigorous PvP to get 300 tokens for my Fury and then I gave up, retired her, and started playing a Dirge, lol.If I had to say there is a downside to Vox it's that once you roll here your toon is stuck here, so make a new toon with that mind. I'd say Vox, at this point, is a great server for people who are new to the pvp experience, PvE players looking to get their feet wet, people who want to pvp on their terms and not deal with a gankfest. Basically the game on Vox is balanced nicely between PvP and PvE, so if that's what you are looking for then by all means join us. But if your only concern is PvP, then you might be disappointed.Just my 2 copper. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Orthureon]

<p>Well if you both join Vox, then I welcome you! The ONLY drawback to this server is low population. I came from a PVE server anyways so I don't mind, the added element of danger is all I really need. This way I can actually do quests in relative peace, though I do come upon the random PVP fight here and there.</p><p>Also, like others have said I have yet to see anything even remotely good in terms of Items/Armor/etc for sale on SE, a few REALLY rare masters is about it. As for people saying others are twinking via buying items from SE they are completely false. Buying plat definitely, I am guilty of it. But hey atleast I am on a server where I can legally do it.</p><p>Also, we have some really skilled PVPers here, remember quantity doesn't always mean quality.</p>

[Croniccaster]

           Kind of makes me feel funny to agree with someone from the dark side, but good points once again Xova. As you can tell from my previous post I feel pretty much the same about how it is on Vox. Don't take me wrong, nothing against anyone who felt they needed to roll on another server.       On a side note. Want to thank Oda clan for some good fights lately. I seem to run into you guys everywhere I go. Are you following me...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />? Kaladim, Sinking Sands, and a couple good one's in Lopping Plains a while back. I think you were there on Sarenade. It was me, Bugg, and a couple more guys. Just hit 70 on my conj a couple weeks ago so I'm just now getting into T7 pvp. Only thing is, you guys have too much [Removed for Content] backup you can call in...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. We'll take on bigger groups sometimes, but gawd. Was kind of funny all you guys standing around me and Bugg while we were laying on the ground immune in the cemetery.  Just remember, I suck at pvp. I'm always the very last one you should try and kill......<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Who says pvp's no fun on Vox?

[Xova]

<cite>Croniccaster wrote:</cite><blockquote> On a side note. Want to thank Oda clan for some good fights lately. I seem to run into you guys everywhere I go. Are you following me...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />? Kaladim, Sinking Sands, and a couple good one's in Lopping Plains a while back. I think you were there on Sarenade. It was me, Bugg, and a couple more guys. Just hit 70 on my conj a couple weeks ago so I'm just now getting into T7 pvp. Only thing is, you guys have too much [I cannot control my vocabulary] backup you can call in...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. We'll take on bigger groups sometimes, but gawd. Was kind of funny all you guys standing around me and Bugg while we were laying on the ground immune in the cemetery.  Just remember, I suck at pvp. I'm always the very last one you should try and kill......<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Who says pvp's no fun on Vox?</blockquote>Ah I thought the name was familiar, lol. Actually the funny thing is I was there solo, trying to get an update for SoD on my dirge, when my track filled up with hostiles. I evacced to the village to assess things - had your group on track, plus Fio, Shook, and Alois. Fio's group was camping me at the evac point until they went to engage you guys so I called in some guildies for backup since they were right there in Steamfont. Fio and Shook saw me go heroic and bailed, and then we ran into you guys. Was a good fight too - you got me before the rest of my group showed up to save the day, lol.Oh and we were standing around so long because we couldn't get over how you feigned death on your horse (very funny - think one of us SS'ed it) plus I was getting my updates in the village.And to the other Voxian I agree - quantity does not equal quality, and we do have some pretty quality players on our server. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Croniccaster]

       "Hair of the Dog" potion for the dead horse effect. And soloing in Lopping plains has been fatal to me many times as well. We killed Shook and his friends a couple times before they left, but they got us a couple times as well. Once when one of our own aggroed the gate guards....sigh. Shook can be tough, good times though. To the OP, any idea if you're going good or evil?

[Rrated]

<p>Again thanks for everyone's opinions!!!</p><p>I think I'm gonna make Vox my PvP home. </p><p>Next order of business is to find a guild LOL................. Troll Berserker for Hire !!!</p>

[Roald]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Evermoor@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kelhen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is coming from someone who leveled a toon from 1-70 on Vox and I still have her on my toon list.Vox is fun, but dead population wise IMO, only 1 place on the whole server to see pvp action last I checked, and that was BS.I made the decision to go start a toon over on Nagafen and haven't regretted the decision since. I have the same 5 people to go roll with on Naggy, and enjoy pvp all the more, I never really have to LFG on this server.-Formally Bleu Cheese of Paradox on Vox</blockquote>I would have to say i agree with this statement completely, having leveled one toon to 55 and another to 70 on vox and played extensively. It was a fun server, with high caliber players and all of that, it just got too desolate for me and the move to nagafen, while frustrating in the beginning, was a must for me. THe danger of playing on vox is that you will spend a lot of time possibly leveling/playing/loving a character, only to find that you may have to give him up if you want to play in a sandbox with a lot more people in it. </blockquote>The great irony is that had people like yourselves stayed on Vox instead of leaving for other servers, the population wouldn't be so desolate. And that you post here to complain about the low population when you are part of the reason it is low (by virtue of having turned your back on the server) only furthers the problem. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bash or flame. But I want those who left the server to realize that they are part of the problem rather than being part of the solution.</blockquote><p>Actually, I remember playing with Aquaseed quite some time after the servers really started dieing so don't try to lay blame there. You make it sound like people like me or aquaseed did something wrong moving from a dead server. Vox quit on us, not the other way round.</p><p>I realise you are probably upset that many ex-vox players are now established and having fun on a true PvP server. You, and many of your fellow vox friends could all be level 70 on Nagafen now, PvPing more, Raiding more, ultimately having much more fun. This would annoy me too if I had stuck it out on Vox.</p><p>Lastly, you and people that promote Vox to new players are part of the problem, not vice versa.</p><p>If this comes off as rude or insulting, I could care less, as my respect for you as a poster fell dramatically after reading that pile of [Removed for Content].</p>

[Xova]

<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote></blockquote><p>Actually, I remember playing with Aquaseed quite some time after the servers really started dieing so don't try to lay blame there. You make it sound like people like me or aquaseed did something wrong moving from a dead server. Vox quit on us, not the other way round.</p><p>I realise you are probably upset that many ex-vox players are now established and having fun on a true PvP server. You, and many of your fellow vox friends could all be level 70 on Nagafen now, PvPing more, Raiding more, ultimately having much more fun. This would annoy me too if I had stuck it out on Vox.</p><p>Lastly, you and people that promote Vox to new players are part of the problem, not vice versa.</p><p>If this comes off as rude or insulting, I could care less, as my respect for you as a poster fell dramatically after reading that pile of [I cannot control my vocabulary].</p></blockquote>Seems like I hit a nerve...The server did not quit on you. The server is a machine, running on electricity. It's the community that gave up on the server. Internal drama, the lure of more pvp, pvp mechanics as a whole, etc. - those all contributed to people giving up and leaving. Had they sucked it up and stuck it out, might be a different story."Upset" is not an accurate way to describe my emotions. "Disappointed" is more akin to how I feel towards the people that gave up on the server. Had those people that left, like yourself, truly moved on and were having fun in their new home I wouldn't be concerned. But even you still have in your signature:<i>Vox: Sucks, Let us transfer off it. Nagafen: Champion Milambers - Coercer - Accepting all 1v1s <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> AKA: Roald/Raold/Laurie/Whaa/Crouching: basically anyone whos killed you.</i>Well Milambers, Vox only sucks because people like yourself gave up on the server. If you and everyone else that got frustrated and decided to leave had instead chosen to stick it out and promoted the server instead of bashing it at every turn, then maybe the server's population would be a little healthier and you would be having fun there instead.As for me, I could have made a toon on Nagafen, and I could have levelled it up and been at 70 by now, but unlike you I actually like Vox and would much rather play there. Incidentally I do PvP, and I do raid, and I do a lot with groups, etc. I'm having a great time, so when people bash my server, I feel a little compelled to stick up for it and let them know that it's not so bad. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" />I'll continue to promote Vox to players both new and old as a good place to play because I want to see my server thrive and I would rather be part of a solution than part of the problem. If you want to continue to be a grumpy sourpuss and kvetch about a server you've supposedly moved on from, that's your issue. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" />Incidentally I'm aware that there are many other people that left Vox to re-roll elsewhere, and if they're having a blast then more power to them. I think you've got to do what's right for your playstyle. What irks me is the people that left and still complain about the state of the server because I think if they really cared, then they should log on their Vox toons and play there instead of griping from afar.

[Myxzptlk]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><blockquote>The great irony is that had people like yourselves stayed on Vox instead of leaving for other servers, the population wouldn't be so desolate. And that you post here to complain about the low population when you are part of the reason it is low (by virtue of having turned your back on the server) only furthers the problem. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Don't get me wrong - I'm not trying to bash or flame. But I want those who left the server to realize that they are part of the problem rather than being part of the solution.</blockquote><p>Well i dont really see myself complaining here about the low population, though while i was on vox i did complain about it. That's just it, though. It's a catch 22. HAd vox had a decent population, i would have never have left it. So my choice was... continue to run around bored as heck playing a game i used to enjoy because i had people to fight with or against and just hope that things would pick up, or move somewhere where they were already picked up. I would have left vox regardless of whether or not i went to nagafen, because i was hopelessly bored on Vox and tired of fighting the same bots and same few people in BS. It was switch servers or just stop playing. THis is the choice i ultimately had on vox. I like raiding and pve and such, but i could have done that on Befallen or Everfrost or any other blue server. I came to vox for pvp, and sadly in t7 at least it was so dismal that i found myself logging in, doing a bs bot run, logging out for a half hour, then doing it again and again until i wanted to vomit in a piece of aluminum foil and then eat it.....</p><p>Not my deal of fun. Call it what you will, i play eq2 to have fun, on pvp servers because the greatest fun for me is pvp combat. When that is lacking, or just plain not there, then why play?</p><p> I'd have to agree with milambers, vox gave up on us. You don't know how many hours i traversed barren sky, or maybe you didnt read any of the posts i made on the vox forums agonizing over the lack of population and lamenting the server that i went through my pvp ropes on. I think it would be a disservice to anyone new and thinking of rolling on vox to not let them know the real deal on the population. Go there if you like a small sandbox, i say, and if you really like pve and such, and want a taste of pvp, but dont be upset if you find yourself 70 with not many to fight against because that is how it will probably be, unless SOE does something to encourage transfers to Vox.  </p>

[Gimet]

<p>Vox has actually been pretty lively lately. I think this is the best time to join Vox.</p><p>Milambers- What crap you've said. If people would just stick to the server it wouldn't be dead.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> And what do you expect the people on Vox to do? Sit there and TELL people to leave? Of course we're going to try to get people to join the server. And against common beleif, not everyone wants to go to Nagafen. I like not lagging every 2 seconds with the zone crashing...and I like being able to walk around and quest without being shoulder to shoulder with freeps and Qs. Nagafen is not the answer for everybody.</p>

[Roald]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote>snip</blockquote><p>snip</p></blockquote>Seems like I hit a nerve...The server did not quit on you. The server is a machine, running on electricity. It's the community that gave up on the server. Internal drama, the lure of more pvp, pvp mechanics as a whole, etc. - those all contributed to people giving up and leaving. Had they sucked it up and stuck it out, might be a different story."Upset" is not an accurate way to describe my emotions. "Disappointed" is more akin to how I feel towards the people that gave up on the server. Had those people that left, like yourself, truly moved on and were having fun in their new home I wouldn't be concerned. But even you still have in your signature:<i>Vox: Sucks, Let us transfer off it. Nagafen: Champion Milambers - Coercer - Accepting all 1v1s <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"> AKA: Roald/Raold/Laurie/Whaa/Crouching: basically anyone whos killed you.</i>Well Milambers, Vox only sucks because people like yourself gave up on the server. If you and everyone else that got frustrated and decided to leave had instead chosen to stick it out and promoted the server instead of bashing it at every turn, then maybe the server's population would be a little healthier and you would be having fun there instead.As for me, I could have made a toon on Nagafen, and I could have levelled it up and been at 70 by now, but unlike you I actually like Vox and would much rather play there. Incidentally I do PvP, and I do raid, and I do a lot with groups, etc. I'm having a great time, so when people bash my server, I feel a little compelled to stick up for it and let them know that it's not so bad. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />I'll continue to promote Vox to players both new and old as a good place to play because I want to see my server thrive and I would rather be part of a solution than part of the problem. If you want to continue to be a grumpy sourpuss and kvetch about a server you've supposedly moved on from, that's your issue. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />Incidentally I'm aware that there are many other people that left Vox to re-roll elsewhere, and if they're having a blast then more power to them. I think you've got to do what's right for your playstyle. What irks me is the people that left and still complain about the state of the server because I think if they really cared, then they should log on their Vox toons and play there instead of griping from afar.</blockquote><p>Vox does not suck because people like 'me', gave up on the server. In the whole Vox -> Nagafen migration I'd say that I was towards the end, trying to stick it out. Sadly, and this isnt an insult, I didnt have the Play time to have as many toons as you, so for me my options were very narrow. It was either check Ant for PvP on my troub, or try to find a grind group for my Ranger. 99%of the time I found neither.</p><p>When I joined Vox, I had no idea what the SE meant. tbh, I didnt even know what the RP beside Venekor stood for. After Many hours of PvP'ing and working on my toons, I realised what SE was, and also that it was only allowed for US citizens. I didn't want to use it, but it began a major factor of me leaving the server. Why? Because I realised that the vast majority of the Players lived in the US, and therefore in a different time zone. Now, Im sure all the servers are mainly US, but not in the same way Vox was.</p><p>I don't bash Vox at every turn, like you said. Infact, I think I've only posted on the Vox forums twice in the last few months, the last to congratulate your guild about raid progression, the other in a thread about SE only being legal in the US. If this this what you describe as bashing then, well, you need a new dictionary.</p><p>If you like playing on a server with a low pop then fine, but don't let people go there under false pretences. Of course you can promote it, but don't give the the whole 'Its more PvE with a bit of PvP on the side' [Removed for Content]. A large amount of this game's pve is based on groupin, and on vox, that is a struggle. PvP on the side? Unless your happy to spend a whole night looking for people and getting 15 kills max, i'd hardly call that PvP. If you want to promote it, as least be truthful. 'It is realised that Vox does have the lowest population of any EQ2 server, and that PvP is very hard to find in a lot of tiers. On the bright side, there are some very nice people here'. Something like that may be more appropriate.</p><p>Last thing, Why should I have stuck with vox? All my friends had left, and I was having 0 fun. Give me one decent reason and I'll tell every last person who asks what server to start on to go straight to your ghosttown of a server.</p><p>Ironically, I was going to change my sig this weekend, but I still think its message is as true today as it was when i made it.</p>

[Wildfury77]

<p>While i would (reluctantly) agree with Xovas points & ditto the point about low population, theres no doubt that by its very nature SE attracts a certain breed of player (not all of the server mind you) who like shortcuts! Sure there are cheats on Nagafen but if they are found they are banned! On vox its legal to buy your stuff from another player....you can even buy a lvl 70 toon!!</p><p>So i would avoid it ---> low population & SExchange are 2 nails in a coffin thats already being buried</p><p>/shields up</p><p>/defensive stance</p>

[Killque]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rrated wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Second Noob question of the day.........LOL</p><p>Why is Vox such a bad place to start out a new toon? I understand it's a Exchange server but is that the only reason?</p></blockquote>Simple answer: No it's not a bad place to start out. In fact, if you are new to EQ2 PvP and are feeling a little unsure, it's a great place to start out as the lower population makes newbie-ganking less prevalent.More detailed answer: A lot of people have misconceptions/prejudices about the idea of Station Exchange because it involves paying "real-life" money for "in-game" items. One of the biggest misconceptions about the Station Exchange service is that players buy coin/items directly from SOE. So with that in mind, here are a few myths and truths about the Station Exchange feature:<b>Myth: Players buy characters, items or coin directly from SOE.</b>Truth: Players can only buy characters, items and coin from other players. SOE doe not sell pre-made characters, gear, or coin amounts. Everything you see on the Station Exchange was put there by another player. Additionally, when you buy something from Station Exchange. SOE gets 10% of the purchase fee for the service, and the seller gets the rest.<b>Myth: SE Players just buy everything and don't actually go out and earn it.</b>Truth: Anything sold on the Station Exchange had to be earned by a player in the first place. Additionally, most players do not use the Station Exchange feature and instead choose to provide for themselves in-game. Those that do use the service however do so with money they earned "IRL".<b>Myth: SE Players are nothing but rich twinks that just bought all of their gear.</b>Truth: Although Vox has its fair share of twinks, it has far, far less than say Nagafen does. Numerous people have proven that it is extremely easy to twink in the lower tiers without buying plat to make it easier, and the very best gear in the higher tiers is mostly No-Trade anyway.<b>Other thoughts:</b> Most of what is bought/sold on the Station Exchange is characters and plat. Very few items are sold via the SE service on Vox. Interestingly enough, being able to equate in-game item prices to real-world dollars helps to keep our economy relatively stable. Additionally, being able to sell a toon that you no longer have a use for, as opposed to deleting it, is a nice way to get back a little reward for the time and effort you invested into the toon. It's also a good way for say, a raiding guild to quickly build up or repair a raid force. When our guild needed to work on caster DPS, several of our regular members were able to go on the SE and pick up a few caster classes. Within 48 hours we had an entirely different raid force - something that might not have been possible had it not been for SE. SE also makes it very easy to start up a new toon or switch professions. For example, I recently wanted to try out a caster class, but I hate grinding the same newbie quests over and over. So I picked up a lvl30-ish illusionist on the broker and turned it into a coercer. The other night I picked up a 52 Warlock for $40. No grind, and I have two new toons to mess around on if I like. If there is one drawback it's that SE makes it very easy for people to get up and leave the server since they can just stick their toon up for sale and go. It also means that we get the occasional new player buying a toon they have no idea how to play - recently the best-geared guardian raid tank on the server was bought by a player who had no clue how to play it (huge waste, imo.) On the whole I really enjoy playing on an SE server. I wish our server population were a little bigger, but there's only so much we can do about it.</blockquote><p>QFE (Quoted for Emphasis)</p><p>This description is SPOT on.</p><p>I log into Killque every now and again and there seems to be plenty of PvP in the t3-t6 range...</p>

[Killque]

<p>Playing on both Vox and Nagafen, the Station Exchange (SE) aspect of Vox in all honesty means absolutely nothing.</p><p>I have noticed no difference, except for the population. I strongly feel that the Station Exchange has had absolutely no negative bearing on the game except to cast doubt (and honestly I have no idea why) in peoples minds.</p><p>Just as an FYI to those who may be a bit naieve on the subject, toons are sold on Nagafen on a daily basis, they are just not part of a station exchange.</p><p>There is absolutely no difference between the two, except for population. I know more than 20 people on Naggy who have bought plat several times and Im still new to the server. I dont buy game items personally, that is why I am playing imo, is to get items not buy them. I will admit I offered money for a particular item, but I knew for a fact I would never ever get it even if I played for a year straight attempting to get it, but the person didnt want money anyway so that idea fell through.</p><p>Honestly, leave the SE Aspect out of it, it doesnt effect anything.</p>

[Xova]

<cite>Wildfury77 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>While i would (reluctantly) agree with Xovas points & ditto the point about low population, theres no doubt that by its very nature SE attracts a certain breed of player (not all of the server mind you) who like shortcuts! Sure there are cheats on Nagafen but if they are found they are banned! On vox its legal to buy your stuff from another player....you can even buy a lvl 70 toon!!</p><p>So i would avoid it ---> low population & SExchange are 2 nails in a coffin thats already being buried</p><p>/shields up</p><p>/defensive stance</p></blockquote><a href="http://cgi.ebay.com/eq2-70-brig-swg-pre-cu-jedi_W0QQitemZ320172420165QQihZ011QQcategoryZ4596Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You can buy lvl70 toons on other servers too.</a> And given it's on Ebay and not SE, think we can safely assume it's either a Naggy or Vene player. -_-Yes you can buy toons on SE - so what? It's legal. It really doesn't impact the game or your gameplay and it's not nearly as prevalent as people think. And wouldn't you rather play with people that follow the rules and use the SE service than play with people that break the rules and buy things illegally? And saying it attracts a certain "breed" of player is hardly fair because you can find those same types of players (and in greater numbers) on Nagafen.<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Vox does not suck because people like 'me', gave up on the server. In the whole Vox -> Nagafen migration I'd say that I was towards the end, trying to stick it out. Sadly, and this isnt an insult, I didnt have the Play time to have as many toons as you, so for me my options were very narrow. It was either check Ant for PvP on my troub, or try to find a grind group for my Ranger. 99%of the time I found neither.</p><p>When I joined Vox, I had no idea what the SE meant. tbh, I didnt even know what the RP beside Venekor stood for. After Many hours of PvP'ing and working on my toons, I realised what SE was, and also that it was only allowed for US citizens. I didn't want to use it, but it began a major factor of me leaving the server. Why? Because I realised that the vast majority of the Players lived in the US, and therefore in a different time zone. Now, Im sure all the servers are mainly US, but not in the same way Vox was.</p><p>I don't bash Vox at every turn, like you said. Infact, I think I've only posted on the Vox forums twice in the last few months, the last to congratulate your guild about raid progression, the other in a thread about SE only being legal in the US. If this this what you describe as bashing then, well, you need a new dictionary.</p><p>If you like playing on a server with a low pop then fine, but don't let people go there under false pretences. Of course you can promote it, but don't give the the whole 'Its more PvE with a bit of PvP on the side' [I cannot control my vocabulary]. A large amount of this game's pve is based on groupin, and on vox, that is a struggle. PvP on the side? Unless your happy to spend a whole night looking for people and getting 15 kills max, i'd hardly call that PvP. If you want to promote it, as least be truthful. 'It is realised that Vox does have the lowest population of any EQ2 server, and that PvP is very hard to find in a lot of tiers. On the bright side, there are some very nice people here'. Something like that may be more appropriate.</p><p>Last thing, Why should I have stuck with vox? All my friends had left, and I was having 0 fun. Give me one decent reason and I'll tell every last person who asks what server to start on to go straight to your ghosttown of a server.</p><p>Ironically, I was going to change my sig this weekend, but I still think its message is as true today as it was when i made it.</p></blockquote>First, I actually don't have the time to play all of my toons. Some of them haven't been logged on in nearly a month, some are just crafting bots, and others are just there becasue I haven't figured out what to do with them. So please don't make the assumption that I have tons of playtime because I certainly don't. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I'll backstep a bit and say that most of my comments are meant in a generic fashion in regards to former Vox players that left, but since you took some of them personally I'll address you specifically. I think your reasons for deciding to change servers are valid, so I don't fault you for it. Where I find fault at all is really with your sig because it's bashing my server and every time you post with it you bash my server (hencemy comment about you bashing the server at each turn.)It's like this: you've moved on, you're happy on your new server, etc. I and many others continue to play and enjoy our game on Vox. I would hope that you would respect that and not try to undermine our efforts to defend the server you chose to give up on.And with all due respect, when was the last time you actually played regularly on Vox, during our peak time? Is it possible that you're relying on outdated impressions? The OP's question was "is Vox really that bad?" to which I replied "no it's not." I don't think I've ever been dishonest about the state of the server; yes it has a lower population, yes sometimes grouping can be a challenge, and yes there is not an abundance of pvp like there is on Nagafen. But it is not a bad server. At this point, it's become a server where the pvp and pve games are balanced together, so you can feel free to run around and adventure, quest, grind, etc. and find enough pvp to make things dicey. Like Killque said, there's still a healthy amount of PvP in the lower tiers. T7 PvP could stand to be a little more active but then most of us are focusing on raiding at the moment anyway.If people come to Vox with the expectation that they will find the same levels of PvP on Nagafen then yes - they will be disappointed. But if peopl come to Vox with the understanding of the factors I pointed out above, then they'll be fine. Like I said - it's a good server for people who are coming from PvE to PvP, for people new to the PvP experience, for people that want a more balanced game type, and for people that have limited time to play and accomplish specific goals. And the fact that it is an SE server is neglible to the point that most of the time I think people forget we even have the feature available to us.I'm not going to attempt to give you, Milambers, a reason for why you personally should have stayed because in all honesty it sounds like moving servers was the best decision for you given the difference in timezone, playstyle, etc. Beyond that, I can't understand why you would want to undermine the our efforts to promote our server by having a sig that says the server sucks. Be honest and say that although the server didn't suit YOUR playstyle, it may be a good choice for others and that they should check it out. Something like that may be more appropriate. Or better yet, move on entirely and don't even mention it. But to continue to complain about it (and yes, each time you post with that sig you are complaining) when you don't even play there anymore just makes no sense to me. *shrug*

[Gagla]

<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Last thing, Why should I have stuck with vox? All my friends had left, and I was having 0 fun. Give me one decent reason and I'll tell every last person who asks what server to start on to go straight to your ghosttown of a server.</blockquote>Clearly, because Vox is the greatest server in existence.

[Xova]

<cite>Gaglaak@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Last thing, Why should I have stuck with vox? All my friends had left, and I was having 0 fun. Give me one decent reason and I'll tell every last person who asks what server to start on to go straight to your ghosttown of a server.</blockquote>Clearly, because Vox is the greatest server in existence.</blockquote>Ha! You win, sir!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

<p>It's not "bashing" vox to be honest and call it a ghost town.</p><p>It's not "bashing" to accurately describe what the reality is.</p><p>During peak hours there is exactly 1 US server that has a light load, on a consistant basis.</p><p>This isn't an indication that the networking through vox is very high bandwith.  It means that fewer people are connected to it than any other server.</p><p>Now, if someone says "vox sux", then that's an opinion.  Maybe they can (and have) shared their reasoning as to why they've come to have this opinion.</p><p>Personally I love vox.. i can still make some money there while i play/pvp on a server that has actual opponents.</p>

[Tae]

<cite>Xova wrote</cite><cite></cite> <blockquote><cite></cite>T7 PvP could stand to be a little more active but then most of us are focusing on raiding at the moment anyway. </blockquote>I would assume that if people are creating characters on the PvP server, that they want to PvP. If they wanted to PvM, they'd roll up on a PvM server where there are more people for them to group with, and the same could be said of raiding. You're just encouraging him to make a character, get it to 70, and realise there's absolutely nothing for him to do because he can't PvP. T7 PvP is bad enough on Venekor, I can't even IMAGINE it on Vox.

[Novusod]

The Station Exchange part is what killed Vox. In the early days Vox had the same population as Naggy. I joined Vox when the server was just 3 weeks old and it had already turned into a twinkfest. I remember getting slaughtered by twinks in the Sunken City and then seeing three instances of Antonica packed with level lockers. It was pretty easy to tell who the plat buyers where and who the noobs were. I was a noob and fighting other noobs in quested gear was fun but these bought twinks just ruined it for me. I quit the server but came back 8 months later and found it a much cleaner place with lower population. No more getting killed a dozen times in ten minutes. That was just about a year ago and am glad I came back. There is still plenty of PvP if you go out everyday and look for it. I have over 2500 kills spread over 4 different toons in different tiers. Not bad for someone who is not hardcore and plays on a supposedly dead server. I like the way Vox is now.I just have two things new players should understand:- Naggy has a bigger twink problem than Vox. New players will actually have a chance to do quests in Darklight woods and establish themselves to fight the players who have been here a while. Yeah they will die a few times but this is a PvP server after all.- The low population hurts the PvE side of the game more than it does the PvP. I never once have not been able to find fights in the Barren Sky. Even Lopping Plains has its fair share of PvP. The high end side of Raiding is where Vox is hurting. Vox needs more raiders.

[Xova]

<cite>Taear@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xova wrote</cite><blockquote>T7 PvP could stand to be a little more active but then most of us are focusing on raiding at the moment anyway.</blockquote>I would assume that if people are creating characters on the PvP server, that they want to PvP. If they wanted to PvM, they'd roll up on a PvM server where there are more people for them to group with, and the same could be said of raiding. You're just encouraging him to make a character, get it to 70, and realise there's absolutely nothing for him to do because he can't PvP. T7 PvP is bad enough on Venekor, I can't even IMAGINE it on Vox.</blockquote>I never said anything that resembled encouraging someone to level a toon to 70 on Vox. The question was "is it that bad?" and I replied that "no it's not." Besides, I was pretty candid about T7 PvP on Vox - right now there are 5 major T7 guilds and those guilds are focusing on raiding because after a dry spell there is finally some T7 raid competition happening over contesteds on our server. This means that most of the T7 PvP is happening at the raid zones, etc. instead of up in Barren Sky. In fact I don't think I've set foot in Barren Sky in weeks other than to peek in on 3P (which is great because I loathe Barren Sky.)<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It's not "bashing" vox to be honest and call it a ghost town.</p><p>It's not "bashing" to accurately describe what the reality is.</p><p>During peak hours there is exactly 1 US server that has a light load, on a consistant basis.</p><p>This isn't an indication that the networking through vox is very high bandwith.  It means that fewer people are connected to it than any other server.</p><p>Now, if someone says "vox sux", then that's an opinion.  Maybe they can (and have) shared their reasoning as to why they've come to have this opinion.</p><p>Personally I love vox.. i can still make some money there while i play/pvp on a server that has actual opponents.</p></blockquote>There's a connotative difference between saying a server has a low population and calling it a "ghost town" and I know you are savvy enough to know the difference. It's not honesty to call Vox a "ghost town", it's your perception. For someone who can be so supportive in other areas, this is one where you sorely disappoint. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Having a low population does not make the server a bad choice to play on unless you specifically want a high-population server. Telling people not to play on Vox becasue the server population is low just makes our population lower and hurts the server more. If more new players were encouraged to play on Vox and if more old players would return and dust off their old toons, then the server population would be much more lively. Really there is nothing wrong with myself and others trying to promote our server (especially since SOE isn't doing it for us) and it's pretty crummy to have fellow players undermine our efforts to do so. Give it a rest already, ok? Thanks.

[Xova]

<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just have two things new players should understand:- Naggy has a bigger twink problem than Vox. New players will actually have a chance to do quests in Darklight woods and establish themselves to fight the players who have been here a while. Yeah they will die a few times but this is a PvP server after all.- The low population hurts the PvE side of the game more than it does the PvP. I never once have not been able to find fights in the Barren Sky. Even Lopping Plains has its fair share of PvP. The high end side of Raiding is where Vox is hurting. Vox needs more raiders.</blockquote>Very true. There are twinks on Vox, and in fact there is a new lowbie Exile guild that specifically preys in Darklight Woods. But fortunately there are other places to level up, so they can be avoided, and the twink problem is far less of an issue than it is elsewhere.The PvE issue - having a good guild with active people makes a huge difference. Grouping in lower tiers might be an issue since most people seem to be out pvp'ing. In higher tiers if you don't have a guild it might be tough to get help for groups, but then like we tell our members - nothing is handed to you and if you want a group then get started putting one together.We do need more raiders, definitely. Vox raid progression is far behind everyone else's. We have two Exile guilds, two main Freeport guilds, and one Qeynos guild that are all able to raid. EoF progression is slow and many of the major epics have yet to be killed. No avatars downed, Matron still up, Wuoshi still up, etc. PHH, Mayong, and Chel'Drak only recently killed. Only one guild has ever taken out MO. I could go on.The biggest thing that hurts raid progression on our server is drama, ego, and desire. There's enough T7 players to field a few raid forces easy, but not everyone wants to work together, plus raiding can take a lot of work and not everyone wants to make the effort. And it doesn't help that we've had a lot of drama in T7 over the last two years. But, things are improving/ There is a perception that you have to be Exile to effectively raid, which the three factioned guilds are hopefully dispelling, so that is helping with some recruitment but still - more raiders, more T7 players would be very nice.

[Roald]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote><p>Vox does not suck because people like 'me', gave up on the server. In the whole Vox -> Nagafen migration I'd say that I was towards the end, trying to stick it out. Sadly, and this isnt an insult, I didnt have the Play time to have as many toons as you, so for me my options were very narrow. It was either check Ant for PvP on my troub, or try to find a grind group for my Ranger. 99%of the time I found neither.</p><p>When I joined Vox, I had no idea what the SE meant. tbh, I didnt even know what the RP beside Venekor stood for. After Many hours of PvP'ing and working on my toons, I realised what SE was, and also that it was only allowed for US citizens. I didn't want to use it, but it began a major factor of me leaving the server. Why? Because I realised that the vast majority of the Players lived in the US, and therefore in a different time zone. Now, Im sure all the servers are mainly US, but not in the same way Vox was.</p><p>I don't bash Vox at every turn, like you said. Infact, I think I've only posted on the Vox forums twice in the last few months, the last to congratulate your guild about raid progression, the other in a thread about SE only being legal in the US. If this this what you describe as bashing then, well, you need a new dictionary.</p><p>If you like playing on a server with a low pop then fine, but don't let people go there under false pretences. Of course you can promote it, but don't give the the whole 'Its more PvE with a bit of PvP on the side' [I cannot control my vocabulary]. A large amount of this game's pve is based on groupin, and on vox, that is a struggle. PvP on the side? Unless your happy to spend a whole night looking for people and getting 15 kills max, i'd hardly call that PvP. If you want to promote it, as least be truthful. 'It is realised that Vox does have the lowest population of any EQ2 server, and that PvP is very hard to find in a lot of tiers. On the bright side, there are some very nice people here'. Something like that may be more appropriate.</p><p>Last thing, Why should I have stuck with vox? All my friends had left, and I was having 0 fun. Give me one decent reason and I'll tell every last person who asks what server to start on to go straight to your ghosttown of a server.</p><p>Ironically, I was going to change my sig this weekend, but I still think its message is as true today as it was when i made it.</p></blockquote>First, I actually don't have the time to play all of my toons. Some of them haven't been logged on in nearly a month, some are just crafting bots, and others are just there becasue I haven't figured out what to do with them. So please don't make the assumption that I have tons of playtime because I certainly don't. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I'll backstep a bit and say that most of my comments are meant in a generic fashion in regards to former Vox players that left, but since you took some of them personally I'll address you specifically. I think your reasons for deciding to change servers are valid, so I don't fault you for it. Where I find fault at all is really with your sig because it's bashing my server and every time you post with it you bash my server (hencemy comment about you bashing the server at each turn.)It's like this: you've moved on, you're happy on your new server, etc. I and many others continue to play and enjoy our game on Vox. I would hope that you would respect that and not try to undermine our efforts to defend the server you chose to give up on.And with all due respect, when was the last time you actually played regularly on Vox, during our peak time? Is it possible that you're relying on outdated impressions? The OP's question was "is Vox really that bad?" to which I replied "no it's not." I don't think I've ever been dishonest about the state of the server; yes it has a lower population, yes sometimes grouping can be a challenge, and yes there is not an abundance of pvp like there is on Nagafen. But it is not a bad server. At this point, it's become a server where the pvp and pve games are balanced together, so you can feel free to run around and adventure, quest, grind, etc. and find enough pvp to make things dicey. Like Killque said, there's still a healthy amount of PvP in the lower tiers. T7 PvP could stand to be a little more active but then most of us are focusing on raiding at the moment anyway.If people come to Vox with the expectation that they will find the same levels of PvP on Nagafen then yes - they will be disappointed. But if peopl come to Vox with the understanding of the factors I pointed out above, then they'll be fine. Like I said - it's a good server for people who are coming from PvE to PvP, for people new to the PvP experience, for people that want a more balanced game type, and for people that have limited time to play and accomplish specific goals. And the fact that it is an SE server is neglible to the point that most of the time I think people forget we even have the feature available to us.I'm not going to attempt to give you, Milambers, a reason for why you personally should have stayed because in all honesty it sounds like moving servers was the best decision for you given the difference in timezone, playstyle, etc. Beyond that, I can't understand why you would want to undermine the our efforts to promote our server by having a sig that says the server sucks. Be honest and say that although the server didn't suit YOUR playstyle, it may be a good choice for others and that they should check it out. Something like that may be more appropriate. Or better yet, move on entirely and don't even mention it. But to continue to complain about it (and yes, each time you post with that sig you are complaining) when you don't even play there anymore just makes no sense to me. *shrug*</blockquote><p>Fair enough. Im taking out the Vox thing from my sig. It seems like we are actually agreeing to some extent on some points, but i'll have to log onto my ranger and go hunting for Fpers again before I can make more comments on the T5/T6 population.</p><p>I agree that It doesn't fit MY playstyle, but, tbh I don't think it truely suits anyone's. I mean, if you and your whole guild had the change to Xfer free to naggy, no rules, no regulation, would you do it? Im sure the vast majority would on people on Vox would.</p>

[Xova]

<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I agre that It doesn't fit MY playstyle, but, tbh I don't think it truely suits anyone's. I mean, if you and your whole guild had the change to Xfer free to naggy, no rules, no regulation, would you do it? Im sure the vast majority would on people on Vox would.</p></blockquote>If they offered free transfers off Vox I think myself and the guild leader would prefer Venekor to Nagafen. If I wanted to play on Naggy I could. But honestly, I don't like the mentality I often see on Nagafen, and I'm not interested in playing on an over-populated server.Besides, I think most people actively playing on Vox at this point are of like mind with me: we like the server and wish it had a healthier population, but we aren't planning to leave it any time soon.

[Croniccaster]

      Just FYI for everyone. Last night in Q harbor we had 2 full full raid X4's forming up next to each other at the same time. Our's did have two level 66's in I think.../shrug. Rest were 70's. Was nice to see for a change, and a sign of the way things can be if we continue to promote the server and work together to fix the problems that we have. Low population? Thats just a matter of getting more people to try us out. And with ROK being released next month, there's a great oppurtunity. Station Exchange? Has almost NO effect on gameplay. Drama? Ugh....stop...<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. There is nothing stopping this server from being the best for those that want a mixed style of gameplay, that can't be fixed.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Xova wrote:</cite><blockquote>There's a connotative difference between saying a server has a low population and calling it a "ghost town" and I know you are savvy enough to know the difference. It's not honesty to call Vox a "ghost town", it's your perception. For someone who can be so supportive in other areas, this is one where you sorely disappoint. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Having a low population does not make the server a bad choice to play on unless you specifically want a high-population server. Telling people not to play on Vox becasue the server population is low just makes our population lower and hurts the server more. If more new players were encouraged to play on Vox and if more old players would return and dust off their old toons, then the server population would be much more lively.Really there is nothing wrong with myself and others trying to promote our server (especially since SOE isn't doing it for us) and it's pretty crummy to have fellow players undermine our efforts to do so. Give it a rest already, ok? Thanks. </blockquote><p>Calling it a "Ghost town" is a figure of speech.</p><p>And sorry to disappoint, but I feel like so many Vox folks get defensive about their server because they KNOW it is bad.  They know that after you out-level the gank squad idiots, there's <i>virtually</i> no one around until end game.</p><p>Vox is <strike>a low.. </strike>the lowest population server in the game.  You can explain till you're blue in the face all the advantages that there are on a server like that, and how it can still be enjoyable.  I'm sure I could come up with a few things myself -- it's a great place to pvp if you want pvp few and far between and you prefer to solo the game vs grouping.</p><p>But you can't paint the stripe black, and call it a cat.  It is what it is.. </p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Croniccaster wrote:</cite><blockquote>      Just FYI for everyone. Last night in Q harbor we had 2 full full raid X4's forming up next to each other at the same time. Our's did have two level 66's in I think.../shrug. Rest were 70's. Was nice to see for a change, and a sign of the way things can be if we continue to promote the server and work together to fix the problems that we have. Low population? Thats just a matter of getting more people to try us out. And with ROK being released next month, there's a great oppurtunity. Station Exchange? Has almost NO effect on gameplay. Drama? Ugh....stop...<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. There is nothing stopping this server from being the best for those that want a mixed style of gameplay, that can't be fixed. </blockquote><p>You have a lot of things going your way, IMO, to promote the server.  Your problem isn't the station exchange (more plat is bought on nagafen).</p><p>It's just that more people decided to join a different server, during free transfers and afterwards.</p><p>Vanguard came out, <i>MANY</i> people left to go play it leaving Vox as bad as I ever saw it... and when they came back, they found (and continue to find) that many folks just weren't going to wait around for them to come back, and they moved on.</p><p>So now you have what you have.  A server where it's free to transfer to (great thing), legal to buy plat or a toon (good thing, imo), and unfortunately the lowest populated server.</p><p>Personally, i think you guys should tell the Venekor folks to transfer over, and you'll all role-play how their two worlds combined and created a moderately-populated pvp world!</p>

[Croniccaster]

       Bozidar I've read many of your posts as a long time forum lurker, recent poster. And while I don't always agree with you, I appreciate the way you frame your comments. You don't usually get upset, try and be logical and POSITIVE, and seem to be able to look at both sides of an issue. Something that many that post on here seem incapable of. Your reasons for the low population on Vox are likely in large part true. I believe other things also contribute. Such as a misconception many have about how much Station Exchange affects gameplay. But while the low population is a problem, I don't think its one that can't be overcome. Of course I'm of the "lets fix whats wrong, we can do it" mind set. I would like to see all the servers prosper and work together to fix the problems that we all share game wide. Plenty of those.    By the way, the subject of a server merger has come up before and personally I have no problem with it as long as it was done in a way fair to all parties. Or as fair as possible, you won't please everyone. Know you were joking, but hell the roleplay thing with Venekor might be fun. Someday I might roll a toon on Naggy just to see what its like.  Its nice to have options but as for now I'm still having fun on Vox, and see potential for the server. Later.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Croniccaster wrote:</cite><blockquote>       Bozidar I've read many of your posts as a long time forum lurker, recent poster. And while I don't always agree with you, I appreciate the way you frame your comments. You don't usually get upset, try and be logical and POSITIVE, and seem to be able to look at both sides of an issue. Something that many that post on here seem incapable of. Your reasons for the low population on Vox are likely in large part true. I believe other things also contribute. Such as a misconception many have about how much Station Exchange affects gameplay. But while the low population is a problem, I don't think its one that can't be overcome. Of course I'm of the "lets fix whats wrong, we can do it" mind set. I would like to see all the servers prosper and work together to fix the problems that we all share game wide. Plenty of those.    By the way, the subject of a server merger has come up before and personally I have no problem with it as long as it was done in a way fair to all parties. Or as fair as possible, you won't please everyone. Know you were joking, but hell the roleplay thing with Venekor might be fun. Someday I might roll a toon on Naggy just to see what its like.  Its nice to have options but as for now I'm still having fun on Vox, and see potential for the server. Later.</blockquote><p>There is absolutely potential for the server, but folks should know the truth going in.</p><p>I have no problem with folks knowing that Nagafen is a gankfest before they join.  If you don't want hot-and-heavy constant pvp.. then yeah, dont sign up.  That's our flavor here.</p><p>Vox's low population lends itself to much less pvp, and different pvp.  There are times it will be a gankfest, but mostly it's going to be random 1v1's, or small group vs small group pvp.  It's got much more hunting involved.. and that has strategy to it too.</p><p>But folks should know going in that the style of pvp there is as such.  I'm all for promoting the server if you feel the need, but don't put lipstick on it and tell me it's Pamela Anderson, ya know?  Be honest, promote the virtues of the server, don't try and hide the drawbacks.  That's all i'm really trying to get at.</p>

[Croniccaster]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Croniccaster wrote:</cite><blockquote>       Bozidar I've read many of your posts as a long time forum lurker, recent poster. And while I don't always agree with you, I appreciate the way you frame your comments. You don't usually get upset, try and be logical and POSITIVE, and seem to be able to look at both sides of an issue. Something that many that post on here seem incapable of. Your reasons for the low population on Vox are likely in large part true. I believe other things also contribute. Such as a misconception many have about how much Station Exchange affects gameplay. But while the low population is a problem, I don't think its one that can't be overcome. Of course I'm of the "lets fix whats wrong, we can do it" mind set. I would like to see all the servers prosper and work together to fix the problems that we all share game wide. Plenty of those.    By the way, the subject of a server merger has come up before and personally I have no problem with it as long as it was done in a way fair to all parties. Or as fair as possible, you won't please everyone. Know you were joking, but hell the roleplay thing with Venekor might be fun. Someday I might roll a toon on Naggy just to see what its like.  Its nice to have options but as for now I'm still having fun on Vox, and see potential for the server. Later.</blockquote><p>There is absolutely potential for the server, but folks should know the truth going in.</p><p>I have no problem with folks knowing that Nagafen is a gankfest before they join.  If you don't want hot-and-heavy constant pvp.. then yeah, dont sign up.  That's our flavor here.</p><p>Vox's low population lends itself to much less pvp, and different pvp.  There are times it will be a gankfest, but mostly it's going to be random 1v1's, or small group vs small group pvp.  It's got much more hunting involved.. and that has strategy to it too.</p><p>But folks should know going in that the style of pvp there is as such.  I'm all for promoting the server if you feel the need, but don't put lipstick on it and tell me it's Pamela Anderson, ya know?  Be honest, promote the virtues of the server, don't try and hide the drawbacks.  That's all i'm really trying to get at.</p></blockquote>        I agree completely. If a person doesn't  know the reality of what ANY server is like, how can they make an informed decision about which server suits their play style?  You'll never hear me deny Vox'es low population problem. Not to over simplify, but thats just a matter of getting people to join and stay for a while. Doesn't require any major coding on Sony's part. Unlike some other problems which all servers share. What would help the low population problem would be for Sony to actually promote the game. Can't believe they don't advertise this game more then they do. Or make it more available. Seems like they would want the extra revenue if nothing else...<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />.

[Bozidar]

<p>The company I work for is very similar.  Marketing was a foriegn concept to them up until a short time ago.</p><p>"We're a name brand, everyone knows the name, why waste thousands of dollars on advertising?"</p><p>But now we've got a significant presence in the marketing world, and things are paying off.</p><p>It'd be nice to see SoE turn this around and just spend a little money promoting the game.. or GOD FORBID.. making it available to retail outlets.</p><p>I pre-ordered RoK the other day at EB.  There were 20 boxes of WOW on the shelf.. didn't see a single EQ2 box.  It's even worse overseas..</p><p>sorry. that's just dumb.. </p>

[IcterusGalbula]

<p>I like the Vox server a lot, much more than the Nag server for the reasons given by Xova, who has made several outstanding posts in this thread.</p>

[Wildfury77]

<p>Bah changed my mind.....Xova's post are way too long to read, so let me help out:</p><p><b>"Is Vox really that bad......." <u> Answer: Yes, its an SE server.</u></b></p><p>Much easier to read and cuts to the chase <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Gagla]

<cite>Wildfury77 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bah changed my mind.....Xova's post are way too long to read, so let me help out:</p><p><b>"Is Vox really that bad......." <u> Answer: Yes, its an SE server.</u></b></p><p>Much easier to read and cuts to the chase <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> </p></blockquote>A station exchange server is a place where people buy characters and in-game money with USD.Beware... this sort of thing happens no where else.

[IcterusGalbula]

<p>I think Xova said people buy money (and possibly characters) on other servers as well; they just don't do it legally. </p><p>Do you not have plat spammers on other servers?</p><p>I myself have never purchased either, and would not know how to do it if I wanted to.  Would I buy a character?  Maybe at some point, but the way I see it right now making my own is the whole point of the game.</p>

[Fluffypaws]

if they'd offer free transfers id bring mabye half my alts in a flash, i like the way the server runs.

[Xova]

<cite>Wildfury77 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Bah changed my mind.....Xova's post are way too long to read, so let me help out:</p><p><b>"Is Vox really that bad......." <u> Answer: Yes, its an SE server.</u></b></p><p>Much easier to read and cuts to the chase <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" />" /> </p></blockquote>*pats you on the head* There...I paid attention to you. Now go troll someone else's posts ok?<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Croniccaster wrote:</cite><blockquote>       Bozidar I've read many of your posts as a long time forum lurker, recent poster. And while I don't always agree with you, I appreciate the way you frame your comments. You don't usually get upset, try and be logical and POSITIVE, and seem to be able to look at both sides of an issue. Something that many that post on here seem incapable of. Your reasons for the low population on Vox are likely in large part true. I believe other things also contribute. Such as a misconception many have about how much Station Exchange affects gameplay. But while the low population is a problem, I don't think its one that can't be overcome. Of course I'm of the "lets fix whats wrong, we can do it" mind set. I would like to see all the servers prosper and work together to fix the problems that we all share game wide. Plenty of those.    By the way, the subject of a server merger has come up before and personally I have no problem with it as long as it was done in a way fair to all parties. Or as fair as possible, you won't please everyone. Know you were joking, but hell the roleplay thing with Venekor might be fun. Someday I might roll a toon on Naggy just to see what its like.  Its nice to have options but as for now I'm still having fun on Vox, and see potential for the server. Later.</blockquote><p>There is absolutely potential for the server, but folks should know the truth going in.</p><p>I have no problem with folks knowing that Nagafen is a gankfest before they join.  If you don't want hot-and-heavy constant pvp.. then yeah, dont sign up.  That's our flavor here.</p><p>Vox's low population lends itself to much less pvp, and different pvp.  There are times it will be a gankfest, but mostly it's going to be random 1v1's, or small group vs small group pvp.  It's got much more hunting involved.. and that has strategy to it too.</p><p>But folks should know going in that the style of pvp there is as such.  I'm all for promoting the server if you feel the need, but don't put lipstick on it and tell me it's Pamela Anderson, ya know?  Be honest, promote the virtues of the server, don't try and hide the drawbacks.  That's all i'm really trying to get at.</p></blockquote>Boz I think you're being a little unfair here. I've never been dishonest about the state of the server, and I don't like the insinuation that I'm perhaps not. I can appreciate you wanting people to be "honest" about the state of the server, but I don't appreciate you undermining my efforts by suggesting that I'm "putting lipstick on it and calling it Pamela Anderson". Honestly, at this point your comments are doing more harm than good.Anyway, since I know long posts are too much for poor Wildfury77 to comprehend...As someone who plays on Vox, and plays there daily - the server has a low population. If you come to Vox expecting 24/7 PvP you will be disappointed. Pick-up groups are not the norm on Vox and you are more likely to get groups going if you are part of an active guild than if you spam chat channels. If however you would like to play on a server where PvE and PvP are balanced out, where there is less propensity for newbie-ganking, where there are good opportunities to be part of a viable T7 raid force, and where it is relatively easy to get started in PvP if you are brand new to it - then Vox may be a good choice. The fact that it is Station Exchange has very little impact on the actual dynamic of the server other than it makes it relatively simple for people to come and go due to the fact that they can legally (and easily) sell their toons. We also don't seem to have the plat spammer problem that other servers do and ironically our "bots" and "farmers" have integrated themselves into being an actual part of the server community.So if you are a new player wanting to get your feet wet in PvP, or a blue server player who wants to play the PvE game with enough PvP to make thing dicey, or a casual player who wants to balance out PvE and PvP, etc., then Vox may be a good choice for you. If however you want more PvP, a larger population server, don't mind dealing with a gankfest, etc., then Nagafen may be a better choice. And I would presume that Venekor is in a similar state to Vox right now.So there you go - an honest assessment.

[twinky]

<p>I also play on vox and am happy as can be. I never have to look far to find pvp. sometimes even when I dont want it. It's a good server... I think there are just the right amount of players here, don't think I would like it if it had too many more.</p>

[Armironhead]

<p>As of the release of the expansion, t7 pvp on vox has been outstanding.  Just like the good ole days.  Hope it keeps up.</p>