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ThomasGrey

10-15-2007, 03:24 PM

I'm currently a level 34 Erudite SK with roughly the following self buffed stats(in offensive stance):INT 190STR 90STA 120I solo 90% of the time with a two hander(SBH) instead of a shield. I've chosen most of my gear with a biased towards intelligence. I'm 4-4-8 int with all other points in Reaver. Is my int beyond the "soft cap" for my level?

Dead Knight

10-15-2007, 04:36 PM

At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div >579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div>

Hamervelder

10-15-2007, 05:56 PM

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div>579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div> </blockquote>What'd you do to get your STR up that high? Mine's something like 400, or just shy of it. INT and STA are both well over 500.

Dead Knight

10-15-2007, 06:45 PM

<cite>Atelos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div>579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div> </blockquote>What'd you do to get your STR up that high? Mine's something like 400, or just shy of it. INT and STA are both well over 500.</blockquote>All in the gear I chose.

Beldin_

10-15-2007, 09:24 PM

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Atelos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div>579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div></blockquote>What'd you do to get your STR up that high? Mine's something like 400, or just shy of it. INT and STA are both well over 500.</blockquote>All in the gear I chose.</blockquote>Hm .. is that your character ? <a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=448501303" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=448501303</a>I only see 406 STR there, and EQ2 players shows the same STR that i have ingame for me since they stole our STR-buff <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

smut

10-16-2007, 12:41 AM

Hamervelder

10-16-2007, 01:07 AM

<cite>smut wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Atelos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div>579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div></blockquote>What'd you do to get your STR up that high? Mine's something like 400, or just shy of it. INT and STA are both well over 500.</blockquote>All in the gear I chose.</blockquote>Hm .. is that your character ? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=448501303" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=448501303</a>I only see 406 STR there, and EQ2 players shows the same STR that i have ingame for me since they stole our STR-buff <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>LoL caught red handed =p</blockquote>LOL.You know though, it seems like there's a lack of really good gear for SK's. It's so hard to find gear that has str/wis, and int on it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> My swashy's important stats (as far as I can recall) are all pretty good, with his str near 700. Yet it's nigh impossible to find a great mix of gear for Uros to get his stats high. *le sigh* I suppose it could be worse. We could be paladins. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />EDIT -- by the way, EQ2players doesn't seem to show stats right. Atelos's strength shows as 493. It's quite a bit higher than that.

Dead Knight

10-16-2007, 03:53 AM

Ever heard of backup gear? lol

Beldin_

10-16-2007, 05:35 AM

<cite>Atelos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>EDIT -- by the way, EQ2players doesn't seem to show stats right. Atelos's strength shows as 493. It's quite a bit higher than that.</blockquote>It doesn't show +stats from food/drinks, and also no buffs. So it doesn't show the INT from off-stance, STA from unhallowed strenght.@Ripzz I have heard from backup gear, i wonder however why someone puts his avatar-loot into the bags and runs around with relic, at least now since we have the appeareance slot. However you must be full of EoF/Avatar loot i think since even the best SK on my Server has only 502 STR. 160 more to your STR to your gear un EQ2players is still a lot. What about posting a picture ? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-16-2007, 09:52 AM

It also doesn't show adornments or pet buffs. I know my main stats on the board are all about 80-100 points under...and HP are several hundred under.

Beldin_

10-16-2007, 10:37 AM

Adornments are shown, i have at least 6 str on my Breastplate, and EQ2players shows exactly the 323 str i had ingame when i checked it yesterday. I had however no food in use, so there are 14 points and Godpet maybe some str depending on your God.If i look at my ranger, who has also 2 +14 STR adornments, the total STR also looks ok for me (-food)Life / Sta is a lot more that isn't shown, because its at least 56-57 from unhallowed Strength + 28 from food and drinks.

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-16-2007, 10:45 AM

I'll have to try equiping gear without adorns and check. Adornments do not show up on your profile, that's for sure though. Check any piece of gear in the eq2players gear slots. Never checked what was counted and not really.....wonder if the Miti ones are counted. I know when I camped with what I was wearing yesterday, I had 688 STA solo for example, and it has me at 599 on the profile. My HP were 9384 solo with non HP gear...and the profile has me at 9120. I can't remember the other stats I camped with though. My mititgation is listed at 58% on the eq2players profile, but I think it's over 61% solo if I remember right. I know raid buffed I'm around 67 or 68%.

Dead Knight

10-16-2007, 11:45 AM

<cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Adornments are shown, i have at least 6 str on my Breastplate, and EQ2players shows exactly the 323 str i had ingame when i checked it yesterday. I had however no food in use, so there are 14 points and Godpet maybe some str depending on your God.If i look at my ranger, who has also 2 +14 STR adornments, the total STR also looks ok for me (-food)Life / Sta is a lot more that isn't shown, because its at least 56-57 from unhallowed Strength + 28 from food and drinks.</blockquote>Actually I don't have any Avatar gear, it's all EoF fabled.. and 579 is nothing, I have different combos equipped for different purposes, and one of the SK's on my server can spike almost 700 STR..

MaCloud1032

10-16-2007, 12:17 PM

I know that when iam raiding i change my gear out and pull just over 1k int. When iam tanking its around 500. For pvp it drops into the low 400s.Adors dont show in my allaround gear i pull about 440-460 int eq players has me at 380ish

Beldin_

10-16-2007, 01:59 PM

<cite>CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know when I camped with what I was wearing yesterday, I had 688 STA solo for example, and it has me at 599 on the profile. </blockquote>Like i said before .. its 28 STA from drinks/food and 57 or whatever from unhallowed str, also stats from petbuffs whatever else buffs are missing.For adornments, here my ranger ingame and what EQ2Players is saying, you see exact the same STR<img src="http://beldin.be.funpic.de/eq2/EQ2_000326.jpg" alt="" width="1280" height="977" border="0" /> <img src="http://beldin.be.funpic.de/eq2/shyleene_eq2players.jpg" alt="" width="713" height="602" border="0" />

Dead Knight

10-16-2007, 02:28 PM

EQ2Players only updates gear about once a week and stats about twice a day. Not to mention it doesn't factor in adornments, food etc. I couldn't get in game anyway, so those numbers were copied and pasted from a similar thread I posted on on flames back when I was trying to see how high I could get my power. In general though, my STR is only about 10-20 lower than 579 anyway, so EQ2players is still borked, nevertheless.

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-16-2007, 02:46 PM

Adornments do not show up on your profile gear slots, period. If they are counted is a different matter. I'm missing 89 STA from my profile from yesterday. I'm not really sure what I camped with the day before yesterday (and the profiles are 28 hours + behind, according to the site at the moment). I'd have to keep track for a few days lol.Anyway, it comes close to the STA I logged with last night around 11:30 pm est.Possible cause of discrepancy.... 22 STA from food (it's 11 for Screewoggin's and 11 for Bosprite wine)11 from Brell PetSo that means Unhallowed STA is ~56 at M1 ? (since the pet and food has some decimal additions as well.....the pet is 11.1 or some such)So that would come out about right. The adornments for STR appear to be counted for mine at the moment, providing I camped with the same gear on as 2 days ago (could be). The Health difference is 264 HP under. 90 STA giving 264 HP...most likely close, given that it's well into dim returns.It does seem to be really off at times though, and I've heard that complaint from many.

Beldin_

10-16-2007, 06:35 PM

<cite>CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:</cite><blockquote>Adornments do not show up on your profile gear slots, period. If they are counted is a different matter. I'm missing 89 STA from my profile from yesterday. I'm not really sure what I camped with the day before yesterday (and the profiles are 28 hours + behind, according to the site at the moment). I'd have to keep track for a few days lol.Anyway, it comes close to the STA I logged with last night around 11:30 pm est.Possible cause of discrepancy.... 22 STR from food (it's 11 for Screewoggin's and 11 for Bosprite wine)11 from Brell PetSo that means Unhallowed STR is ~56 at M1 ? (since the pet and food has some decimal additions as well.....the pet is 11.1 or some such)</blockquote>Unhallowed STR is 54 STA .. just checked it.Bosprite hast STA/INT .. no STRYeah .. the the adornments are not shown on the images, however they count to the total shown stats.

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-16-2007, 07:49 PM

Hmmm....so the numbers don't add up then. The profiles are off. Looks like the adornments aren't counting....or the numbers are just "borked" (to coin a phrase lol).

Hamervelder

10-16-2007, 09:12 PM

Beldin_

10-17-2007, 08:38 AM

<cite>CHIMPNOODLE. wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmmm....so the numbers don't add up then. The profiles are off. Looks like the adornments aren't counting....or the numbers are just "borked" (to coin a phrase lol).</blockquote>Ok .. you miss 89 STA .. 54 unhallowed strength + 11 Bosprite + 11 Screewoggin's = 76So you have a Brell Pet ... how much STA does it give ? Dual stat -> upto 13.8 @ Level 70 So 76 + 13 from Pet .. and voila .. 89 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />There is nothing borked .. it really only comes down to the fact that active Buffs are not shown, my ranger for example misses AGI, however she has an agi selfbuff

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-17-2007, 09:08 AM

Pet is 11.1 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /><a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Underfoot_Attendant" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Underfoot_Attendant</a>That's why I was guessing at Unhallowed being 56 without remembering it off-hand. The numbers are off.Unless, the pet stats scale...to 13.8(?) or so as you mentioned above. Then it's still off, or they drop all partial numbers (for display purposes? Who needs accuracy anyway? lol).

Beldin_

10-17-2007, 09:45 AM

Pet scale, look here : <a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />eity_Pets" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />eity_Pets</a><a href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3Cimg%20src=" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a>Upon completing the 3rd devotion quest in a Diety's line, one of the rewards is a summoned noncombat buff pet. The buff from the pets scale to your level. There are 2 types of pets: <ul><li>Single stat -> scales upto 28 @ Level 70 </li><li>Dual stat -> upto 13.8 @ Level 70 </li></ul>

Beldin_

10-17-2007, 09:48 AM

Why must this *****-forum simply destroy each link ? Edited the post 3-4 times and alsways get that garbage <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />New try : <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category%3Cimg%20src=" target="_blank"></a>eity_Pets" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">eity_PetsNot possible to post that link here .. grrrr<a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category" target="_blank">http://eq2.wikia.com/wiki/Category</a> : Deity_PetsThe spaces have to be removed left and right of the ":"

CHIMPNOODLE.

10-17-2007, 09:54 AM

I just searched it, using a partial of your quote lol. That's interesting to know anyway. I have only done deity quests on my lvl 70s, so I've always had the max "scale" (as it works). I wonder why they chop numbers though.They should just round to the nearest whole number if anything. Would be justifiable, and then the numbers would work out correctly.

rabid.pooh

10-18-2007, 03:47 PM

<cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Atelos@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>At level 70, you want to stop concentrating on INT at 550 and start working on STR/STA. Atm I sit on <div>579 STR 683 INT 511 STA in Offensive Stance.</div></blockquote>What'd you do to get your STR up that high? Mine's something like 400, or just shy of it. INT and STA are both well over 500.</blockquote>All in the gear I chose.</blockquote>Hm .. is that your character ? <a rel="nofollow" href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/characters/character_profile.vm?characterId=448501303" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...terId=448501303</a>I only see 406 STR there, and EQ2 players shows the same STR that i have ingame for me since they stole our STR-buff <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Talk about the most inane and useless hijack of a thread... Why didn't his numbers on Eq2 match up with what he said, well if you raid you know exactly why, maybe he was tanking so had the tanking gear on, or maybe he needed a resist to be up, or maybe he was in a inbetween DPS/Tank spec (which I'm usually in). Raiders usually have 3+ sets of gear, all for different specs and resists.As I geared up in Eof I've found it hard not to loose int as most of the gear that's dropping simply doesn't have it on it, and the stuff that does is usually better on a mage class. If I'm spec'd DPS and letting someone else OT that night, I'll sit around 750 - 800 int (900 if in the troub/fury/illy group), if I'm OT spec'd I sit around 550 - 600 int and 500ish str in offensive (self buffed), and then 325 - 375 int deffensive, this can go up or down depending on gear however I hardly ever go under 300.Diminishing returns on int happens around 1k - 1.1k the mages have told me, in KoS I could hit that but not anymore <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.