Scourge

[Mörk]

<p>It may not mean much to the average PvE mystic, but i've been discovering how devastating the int line end ability is in PVP.</p><p>Is the damage calculated from Int, and does +spell damage affect it?</p><p>--</p><p>Rahael/Chesty, Nagafen</p>

[Oneira]

As a 21 mystic on a PvP server I am also very very tempted to respec from melee combat line to the int line, now that I have 25 AAs.I had assumed the damage was based on int.

[Mörk]

<p>Yeah, I played about and bought an int hex doll to see what happens, and yes it seems to affect it.</p><p>Can't yet say for sure if +spell (or +disease) affect it though. It is most definitely based off the Disruption skill though: I spent a good hour or so building that skill after I maxed Int line.</p><p>Scourging should absolutely destroy low level casters and healers, though without Agi line they might find it rather easy to just run away :/</p><p>--</p><p>Rahael</p>

[Oneira]

<cite>Rahael@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Scourging should absolutely destroy low level casters and healers, though without Agi line they might find it rather easy to just run away :/<p>--</p><p>Rahael</p></blockquote>I'm really looking forward to it.  I'm so sick and tired of seeing a twinked warden as every third pvp toon who seem to be able to outheal any damage indefinitely without their pow going down even a bit.  That and wizards whose maxed magi shielding seems almost as good as my single target ward for crap sakes.

[Aerlyn]

I just respec'ed the other day from the AGI line to INT.  I was kind of missing the boost to dps that I was getting from the 100% melee crits, but I'll give the INT line a try for a while.I haven't had too many opportunities to try Scourge out in PVP, but when I did, I felt like I had mixed success.  Sometimes it did a lot of damage, sometimes not much.  I'm sure that it largely depends on the classes that I used it against.I'm still not completely clear on exactly what kinds of buffs it will dispell.  I think the description just says something like "dispells any beneficial effects...".  I'm sure that excludes a lot of permanent buffs, such as fighter stances, but what about other kinds of buffs?  How about things like poisons that scouts use?The 1 minute recast on it is what makes me feel like it's a particularly nasty spell to have in pvp.  I has the potential to do a large amount of damage (I think I hit a 40 necro for maybe 1/3 total health) and with the fairly fast recast it will be available at least once for every fight.

[Mörk]

<p>I've not checked my logs, but here's a few;</p><p>Casters- most stuff. Magi's Shielding, Focus Casting, Manashield, Static whatnot.... all of them have fallen to the mighty Scourging. Int line is a real clothie-buster, makes me wish i'd had it in lower tiers for all the times I lost to warlocks, necros and the like. Immunities also reflected a Coercer's debuff, though a good coercer (and probably illu) is probably still the toughest caster fight for me.</p><p>Healers- most self buffs, i've had too few healer fights to tell but combined with Slothful Spirit it can really hurt. Fought an even con inquisitor yesterday and won without too much bother, I recall I removed Yaulp amongst other things</p><p>Scouts- so far good brigs still kill me pretty fast, the ward-dispel from their taunt being a real [Removed for Content] to fight. I've removed Neurotoxin from an assassin amongst other things, but Scourging seems least proficient against scouts. I imagine bards would be a different matter.</p><p>Fighters- I was grouped with a ranger attacking a bruiser, and my scourging did about as much damage as his Sniper Shot. Between us we managed about a 3-shot kill. Only duel with an SK lately was interrupted by an FP Fury jumping in. No feedback on zerkers or guards as yet, though in group pvp I can imagine it would hurt the taunting MT a lot.</p>

[BlueDagger]

<p>I believe scourge only works on spell effects not abilities such as warrior and scout goodies. I have been INT spec from the start of my character and there is nothing as funny as watching a twink in PvP buffed up from teammates drop in one casting  to either their death or 1/5 health. </p><p> Rabies is also very underrated because with it, miasma, and cold dot I can jsut set it then ward up (again if already) while their life dwindles away.</p>

[Oneira]

<cite>BlueDagger wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I believe scourge only works on spell effects not abilities such as warrior and scout goodies. I have been INT spec from the start of my character and there is nothing as funny as watching a twink in PvP buffed up from teammates drop in one casting  to either their death or 1/5 health. </p><p> Rabies is also very underrated because with it, miasma, and cold dot I can jsut set it then ward up (again if already) while their life dwindles away.</p></blockquote>I respecc'ed from Combat--AGI to Int and this is what I've noticed about Scourge and the Int line in general for PvP:The effects of Scourge vary wildly.  I have flat out one-shotted several toons out there ranging from 4 levels below me to 1 level above me, and I have also done negligible damage to the same.From what I have noticed, it's mages that are the most vulnerable to Scourge, as one of the above posters confirms.  Warrior classes and healer classes seem a bit less vulnerable to Scourge, but I've still done some pretty decent damage to both.It does not seem very effective against scouts.This means that mages are getting more things dispelled and scouts the least.  Why that is I don't know.  The write-up does not specifically say "spell effects" but rather "beneficial effects".  What counts as beneficial and what doesn't is not clear to me.  As for the INT line as a whole.  Rabies is decent, and the spell crit sure doesn't hurt, but Immunities seems like a total waste.  In fact I respecc'ed completely out of it after a while, going 6-8-8-0-2 in the Int line.  But let's face it, soloing is a WHOLE lot easier with the melee specc.  There's just no comparison in the kind of damage I can put out with 21 points in the Combat line and AGI 4-4-8.That makes me wonder, if and when I get enough AAs, i'm seriously considering as a PvP build the full INT and AGI lines plus the full Combat line.  Being melee specc'ed plus having Scourge not to mention Rabies seems to me like a pretty nasty setup for pvping.Anyone specc'ed like that?  That would be something like  6-8-8-0-2 INT  4-6-8-6-2 AGI and 5-5-3-5-5-1 combat line, with the 3 being the added damage to ursine form. 

[Aerlyn]

<cite>Oneira wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>BlueDagger wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I believe scourge only works on spell effects not abilities such as warrior and scout goodies. I have been INT spec from the start of my character and there is nothing as funny as watching a twink in PvP buffed up from teammates drop in one casting  to either their death or 1/5 health. </p><p> Rabies is also very underrated because with it, miasma, and cold dot I can jsut set it then ward up (again if already) while their life dwindles away.</p></blockquote>I respecc'ed from Combat--AGI to Int and this is what I've noticed about Scourge and the Int line in general for PvP:The effects of Scourge vary wildly.  I have flat out one-shotted several toons out there ranging from 4 levels below me to 1 level above me, and I have also done negligible damage to the same.From what I have noticed, it's mages that are the most vulnerable to Scourge, as one of the above posters confirms.  Warrior classes and healer classes seem a bit less vulnerable to Scourge, but I've still done some pretty decent damage to both.It does not seem very effective against scouts.This means that mages are getting more things dispelled and scouts the least.  Why that is I don't know.  The write-up does not specifically say "spell effects" but rather "beneficial effects".  What counts as beneficial and what doesn't is not clear to me.  As for the INT line as a whole.  Rabies is decent, and the spell crit sure doesn't hurt, but Immunities seems like a total waste.  In fact I respecc'ed completely out of it after a while, going 6-8-8-0-2 in the Int line.  But let's face it, soloing is a WHOLE lot easier with the melee specc.  There's just no comparison in the kind of damage I can put out with 21 points in the Combat line and AGI 4-4-8.That makes me wonder, if and when I get enough AAs, i'm seriously considering as a PvP build the full INT and AGI lines plus the full Combat line.  Being melee specc'ed plus having Scourge not to mention Rabies seems to me like a pretty nasty setup for pvping.Anyone specc'ed like that?  That would be something like  6-8-8-0-2 INT  4-6-8-6-2 AGI and 5-5-3-5-5-1 combat line, with the 3 being the added damage to ursine form.  </blockquote>Yes, I'm thinking about doing that as well.  I'm thinking to do this:  4-4-8 AGI  x-8-x-x-2 INT  and 3-5-5-5-5-1 combat line, where 3 is the single target nuke.  I'm not sure how to distribute the points in the INT line, except that I'd like to max Rabies.

[sprogn]

<p>Int line certainly rocks in PVP.  And I love immunities!!!</p><p>(1192821493)[Fri Oct 19 20:18:13 2007] an Anaz Mal apostle tries to smite YOU with Invocation, but YOU reflect.(1192821493)[Fri Oct 19 20:18:13 2007] YOUR Runic Talisman absorbs 87 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.(1192821493)[Fri Oct 19 20:18:13 2007] an Anaz Mal apostle hits YOU but fails to inflict any damage.(1192821493)[Fri Oct 19 20:18:13 2007] an Anaz Mal advocate hits Chesty for 53 piercing damage.</p><p>(1193127899)[Tue Oct 23 09:24:59 2007] a fayllian evoker tries to confound YOU with Trance, but YOU reflect.(1193127900)[Tue Oct 23 09:25:00 2007] You cannot see your target.(1193127901)[Tue Oct 23 09:25:01 2007] Your target is too far away! Move closer!(1193127902)[Tue Oct 23 09:25:02 2007] YOUR Feverish Strike critically hits a honeybrood stinger for 225 disease damage.(1193127902)[Tue Oct 23 09:25:02 2007] YOUR Runic Talisman absorbs 87 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.</p><p>(119316799<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />[Tue Oct 23 20:33:18 2007] Yashar's Magi's Shielding regenerates 236 points of absorption.(1193167999)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:19 2007] Yashar tries to poison YOU with Chaotic Maelstrom, but YOU reflect.(1193167999)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:19 2007] a dune scarab tries to crush Yashar, but misses.(1193168000)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:20 2007] A dark void swirls around Yashar!(1193168000)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:20 2007] YOUR Oberon absorbs 74 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.(1193168000)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:20 2007] a desert lunatic hits YOU but fails to inflict any damage.(1193168000)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:20 2007] YOUR Barbed Guard hits a desert lunatic for 40 piercing damage.(1193168000)[Tue Oct 23 20:33:20 2007] YOUR Barbed Guard hits a desert lunatic for 40 piercing damage.</p><p><span style="color: #cc3300;">(1193172685)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:25 2007] Cesium tries to disease YOU with Pestilent Touch, but YOU reflect.</span>(1193172685)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:25 2007] YOU try to smite Cesium with Chimerik, but Cesium resists.(1193172685)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:25 2007] YOUR Torpor absorbs 48 points of damage from being done to YOURSELF.(1193172685)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:25 2007] Cesium hits YOU for 37 crushing damage.(1193172685)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:25 2007] YOUR Lambent Rejuvenation heals YOU for 47 hit points.</p><p>(1193172689)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:29 2007] Cesium tries to disease YOU with Wicked Coil, but YOU reflect.(1193172689)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:29 2007] This ability cannot be used on a friendly target.(1193172690)[Tue Oct 23 21:51:30 2007] YOUR Torpor regenerates 173 points of absorption.</p><p>(1193261555)[Wed Oct 24 22:32:35 2007] Vasilli tries to freeze YOU with Cyclone, but YOU reflect.(1193261555)[Wed Oct 24 22:32:35 2007] Wendies' Flame Pillar hits YOU for 45 heat damage.(1193261555)[Wed Oct 24 22:32:35 2007] Equilibrium tries to crush YOU, but misses.(1193261555)[Wed Oct 24 22:32:35 2007] Equilibrium tries to crush YOU, but misses.</p><p>(1193261750)[Wed Oct 24 22:35:50 2007] Nacteel tries to confound YOU with Disease Cloud, but YOU reflect.(1193261750)[Wed Oct 24 22:35:50 2007] You prepare an ancient cryptic ritual.(1193261750)[Wed Oct 24 22:35:50 2007] Eternul is drained by An unruly impaler's cryptic ritual!</p>

[Mörk]

<p>Yes, I have immunities maxed too. Sadly it's an absorption, not truly a reflect- Sproik's SK encounter could have been much more fun otherwise <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I'm building towards Ancestry too, partly in hope that it increases Immunities trigger percentage.</p><p>--</p><p>Rahael / Chesty La'Rue</p>

[Oneira]

Sprognak:  What's you're INT line spec look like if you have Immunities maxed?  What the perc chance to reflect with 8 points in Immunities?I guess a 4-4-8-8-2 would work fine.  It's sure nice to have Rabies at max, but if you have enough points to melee specc as well, I suppose Rabies isn't needed.  For us lower level Mystics who don't yet have enough AAs for INT + melee specc, having maxed Rabies helps out the dps.Also, it's not a true reflect, it's an absorption right?

[sprogn]

<p>I was int 44682.  I just respecced to 46842 as the absorbtion although nice is too unpredictable to devote 8 points to imo.</p><p>And yes, on a true reflect yourself cast the spell back at the enemy, although the text says reflect you don't actually reflect it <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[sprogn]

<p>Here's one of my best scourging moments...</p><p>L60 Warlock was chain-ganking my 55 Mystic in Silent City with a group of 4 L60's.  Basically I was being forced to sit in immunity at the zoneline or be tracked and killed by the same group again, and again, and again.</p><p>So I look at the warlock and think, well I've tried a few scourges and it got resisted, but oh MANNNNN, look at ALL those lovely buffs...</p><p>Then it happened....  Scourge landed....</p><p>(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] You have entered into combat by casting Scourge on Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Static Shield has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Mail of Frost has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Magi's Shielding has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Primal Spirit has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Unholy Strength has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] Spirit of the Wolf has been removed from Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] The spirit of the wolf leaves Turissa.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging hits Turissa for 510 disease damage.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging hits Turissa for 510 disease damage.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging critically hits Turissa for 663 disease damage.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging hits Turissa for 510 disease damage.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging hits Turissa for 510 disease damage.(1193402917)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:37 2007] YOUR Scourging hits Turissa for 510 disease damage.(119340291<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />[Fri Oct 26 13:48:38 2007] You start fighting.(119340291<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />[Fri Oct 26 13:48:38 2007] YOUR Chilling Strike critically hits Turissa for 294 cold damage.(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] You cannot see your target.(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] A storm of lightning begins to form around Turissa.(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] Turissa's Surge hits YOU for 489 magic damage.(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] YOUR Lambent Rejuvenation critically heals YOU for 61 hit points.(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] You are assaulted by a surging tempest!(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] A storm of lightning surges toward you!(1193402919)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:39 2007] YOUR Feverish Strike critically hits Turissa for 163 disease damage.(1193402920)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:40 2007] You cannot see your target.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] YOUR Glacial Strike critically hits Turissa for 249 piercing damage.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] Alas, Zebanab has died from pain and suffering.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] Alas, Xekn has died from pain and suffering.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] You have killed Turissa.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] You stop fighting.(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] You gain experience!(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] You gain 708 status! (1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] Your guild has received 70 status!(1193402921)[Fri Oct 26 13:48:41 2007] Your victory has increased your fame.</p><p>Then I got nailed again by the fury, zerger and brigand, but [I cannot control my vocabulary] did I L-O-L!!!</p>

[sprogn]

By the way, it also dispells epic buffs from x4's.  I removed the paladin weapon proc from keeper of the city keys in Courts a couple of days back.

[JamesRay]

Anybody know if this will work on stripping specialized buffs off of named mobs?Or is it class based only type beneficial effects?

[Crimson Lord]

I for one love scourge I was so glad I went down it first and I was just feeling out the mystic class did no research nothing. There is something about dropping healers in one hit especially champs eh Troy and Qixxi.It kind of annoyed me when they changed it from magic to disease though and it was a aoe too I took groups out with one scourge now its singleMy greatest success has been on the following classes I may not one shot them but i [I cannot control my vocabulary] near kill themFuries,Wardens,Troubs,Dirges,Wizzys,Locks,Necr os,coercerI don't do much more damage to the other classes its based on how many buffs that respective opponent has. But if their tank is massively buffed we can take a huge chunk of their life with just one scourge though. Were lethal vs bards with all their buffs, and the druids also the more buffs one has the more lethal scourge gets. Its one buff with a disease damage so if you have a [I cannot control my vocabulary] load of buffs thats a [I cannot control my vocabulary] load of diseases damage u get especially if it crits tooI think its the best aa line to go down if your a pvp mystic, you be stupid not to have scourge who wouldn't want their own harms touch basically