Two questions on weapon procs

[Laereneth]

<p>1) Does INT effect the damage from procs:  a) from natural proc effect from weapon  b) from adornments on weapons  c) from poison on weapons</p><p>I've swapped some gear with INT on it back and forth to see if it effected the numbers, but I don't see them change after equiping or unequiping a piece of gear with INT.  Is this mechanic something you don't see until the actual attack?</p><p>2) Does an adornment on an offhand weapon proc?  I've heard conflicting reports on this one.</p><p>Thanks!</p>

[Luk]

INT increases any magical damage you do, so any non-melee procs, poisons and adorns that do non-melee damage, mousing over mostly does not change the values, doing an examine will show the actual amountSOE's official word when they made changes to proc effects was that they do no trigger off other procs or from off hand weapons, however I have not tested to see if this is bugged, so might currently proc off hand, but don't know

[Hamervelder]

<cite>Lukia wrote:</cite><blockquote>INT increases any magical damage you do, so any non-melee procs, poisons and adorns that do non-melee damage, mousing over mostly does not change the values, doing an examine will show the actual amountSOE's official word when they made changes to proc effects was that they do no trigger off other procs or from off hand weapons, however I have not tested to see if this is bugged, so might currently proc off hand, but don't know</blockquote>Does that include Hurricane?  I could swear that I've seen Hurricane proc poisons and double-attacks lately.

[Rippitt]

My understanding is that procs applied to you via spells, applied poisons, etc, will proc on melee attacks such as combat arts and PRIMARY melee swings (as stated in the spell effects of that proc), however procs embedded on the weapon itself or on an adornment has the chance to proc only when that weapon makes a successful auto-attack. This is just my understanding, and since I only use one weapon, it's hard to test it myself. Someone that dual wields and wants to know could just apply a cheap adornment to their weapon and auto attack a mob and see if it procs.

[Cocytus]

<p>Lukia pretty much said it how it is.</p><p>It increases proc damage so long as the damage dealt is non melee. If it's slashing, crushing, piercing, or just plain "melee", strength will alter it.</p><p>Procs do not proc off of the offhand, however, if the proc is on the weapon itself, it will proc - but only on main-hand swings.</p><p>As for double attack procing...Double attack *appears* to proc things that are on the weapon itself, and it also appears that procs on the weapon itself have a chance at procing once on every hit in a multi-hit attack.</p><p> I have a weapon called "Soulspur" on my bruiser. It has a power proc. Every time I use his 8-hit attack, I gain about 10% power if that is in my main hand slot. It also appears to proc off double attack.</p>

[Luk]

The adornment itself will have a limitation in the description, sokething like effect will only trigger off primary weapon

[PaganSaint]

Hurricane is not a proc, Hurricane is your normal auto attack that is acting as if you are targeting up to four enemies in front of you. This allows your Hurricane attacks to double attack, trigger procs, trigger poisons, etc.

[Prrasha]

<cite>Lukia wrote:</cite><blockquote>The adornment itself will have a limitation in the description, sokething like effect will only trigger off primary weapon</blockquote>The description of the adornment doesn't mean that, even though it says that.If it's a proc adornment, the off-hand adornment will proc just fine, but will only proc from autoattacks of your off hand.  Your main hand's adornment will proc from both autoattacks and combat art usage.  And if you're a bard who wants to use a "proc on spell" adornment, those won't work in your off hand.  "Won't proc on combat arts or spells" is what the text on the adornments is supposed to mean, but that gets confusing.My lowbie bard has a main-hand axe (Holy Feedback) and off-hand spear (Mystic Feedback.)  Edit from his log:[...](1192410165)[Sun Oct 14 20:02:45 2007] You start fighting. (1192410165)[Sun Oct 14 20:02:45 2007] YOU hit a skittering scavenger for 32 slashing damage. (1192410165)[Sun Oct 14 20:02:45 2007] YOUR Holy Feedback hits a skittering scavenge r for 50 divine damage.(1192410165)[Sun Oct 14 20:02:45 2007] You have killed a skittering scavenger.[...](1192411079)[Sun Oct 14 20:17:59 2007] YOU try to slash a Blackfurl medic, but miss. (1192411079)[Sun Oct 14 20:17:59 2007] YOU hit a Blackfurl medic for 25 piercing damage. (1192411079)[Sun Oct 14 20:17:59 2007] YOUR Mystic Feedback hits a Blackfurl medic for 77 magic damage.[...]Since this comes up on one board or another every couple weeks...<span style="font-size: large;"><span><span style="color: #ff0000;">YES, damage-proc Adornments work on off-hand/dual-wielded weapons.</span></span></span>Easier to catch for people who search. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Cocytus]

All procs only proc off of mainhand swings, including weapon procs, unless this was recently changed. Notice you have a slashing swing in the same second as the proc.

[Prrasha]

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>All procs only proc off of mainhand swings, including weapon procs, unless this was recently changed. Notice you have a slashing swing in the same second as the proc.</blockquote>...but (1) it still procced the adornment on the secondary-hand weapon, and (2) the slashing/primary attack missed, and thus shouldn't have procced any effects.

[Tadas]

It looks like off-hand adorns proc of the off-hand swing, not the main-hand, it's hard to tell with my logs because i'm using a pair of piercers now.  And i'm pretty sure that the adornments read "on a melee attack" not "on a successful melee attack" so it doesn't matter whether or not the swing hits, it has the chance to fire a proc

[Prrasha]

<cite>Tadas@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>It looks like off-hand adorns proc of the off-hand swing, not the main-hand, it's hard to tell with my logs because i'm using a pair of piercers now.  And i'm pretty sure that the adornments read "on a melee attack" not "on a successful melee attack" so it doesn't matter whether or not the swing hits, it has the chance to fire a proc</blockquote>/blink.  Seriously?  There's procs in the game that fire on attacks whether they hit or miss?  Never seen one.Anyway, regardless of how they're worded, adornments only proc on hits (at least among phantom handle, vampiric handle, runic temper, righteous temper, and molten binding).The previous newbie-troubador's parse contained a total of - 8 procs on his off-hand weapon's adornment, each after an off-hand weapon hit.  None after a miss.- 21 procs on his main-hand weapon's adornment, 7 after a combat art hit,  14 after a main-hand weapon hit.  None after a miss. (More procs on the main hand because a main-hand killing blow doesn't allow the secondary hand to swing.)Since that's a small sample, I looked through my Mystic's parse.  Of the first 200 procs of her phantom handle adornment, all 200 followed a melee hit (either autoattack or Mystic AA combat art), and none followed a miss.

[Cocytus]

<cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>All procs only proc off of mainhand swings, including weapon procs, unless this was recently changed. Notice you have a slashing swing in the same second as the proc.</blockquote>...but (1) it still procced the adornment on the secondary-hand weapon, and (2) the slashing/primary attack missed, and thus shouldn't have procced any effects.</blockquote>Yes, I know. Read what I said carefully. Yes, the adornment from your offhand WILL proc, but it procs off of main-hand swings.

[Prrasha]

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Prrasha wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote>All procs only proc off of mainhand swings, including weapon procs, unless this was recently changed. Notice you have a slashing swing in the same second as the proc.</blockquote>...but (1) it still procced the adornment on the secondary-hand weapon, and (2) the slashing/primary attack missed, and thus shouldn't have procced any effects.</blockquote>Yes, I know. Read what I said carefully. Yes, the adornment from your offhand WILL proc, but it procs off of main-hand swings.</blockquote>Yes, I know.  Read what I said carefully.  The main hand attack MISSED, the off hand attack HIT, the off hand adornment PROCCED.  Ergo, it procced on an off-hand hit.