Which CA's do you not use?

[Shinku]

For increased dps and not using wasted CA's in place of auto-attack, which CA's do you not even bother with to produce higher dps? Obviously not including the Crescent Strike AE. Or, are they all worth casting since all under a .5 castings speed? I have a couple of options. Scepter of Destruction 1.2, Bonetooth Skewer 1.2, FoB 2.5 and Lucanic version of SoD Kama 2.5. Scepter has highest DMG Rating, but is it truly better to keep the delay's the same on each weapon for timing ca's? So should I be using the FOB main and Kama Offhand? Or is using Scepeter Main and Kama offhand just as effective? Which is the best combo of my weapons including which hand they should be in?What CA's should I just remove off my hotbar?This is for Raiding DPS only. My standard group is OT group with Zerker, Mystic, Brigand, Monk, Bruiser, Swash. We just don't have enough Bard's to have one in every group yet consistently. I average 1k - 1.3k ZW depending on zone and ultimately group, but that's on average. Hearing all these other parse claims from Monks makes me realize I need to step up my game. I have all the right adornments and I have the +5crush +5slash on weapons. 3 pieces of legend EOF for 2% Double attack bonus and the rest fabled. I have 4 EOF class fabled, but the pieces just seem to suck for dps compared to the Legendary sets. The DPS adornments on neck and ranged and Werewolf Paw. Self buffed Haste and haste items hits around 124-129 I forget which.AA Build - Int 448, Wis 44861, Agi 45Hope that's enough info to help with the feedback. Thanks in advance for any help on increasing my dps. I do try and time my ca's as well.

[Couching]

<cite>Shinku wrote:</cite><blockquote>For increased dps and not using wasted CA's in place of auto-attack, which CA's do you not even bother with to produce higher dps? Obviously not including the Crescent Strike AE. Or, are they all worth casting since all under a .5 castings speed? I have a couple of options. Scepter of Destruction 1.2, Bonetooth Skewer 1.2, FoB 2.5 and Lucanic version of SoD Kama 2.5. Scepter has highest DMG Rating, but is it truly better to keep the delay's the same on each weapon for timing ca's? So should I be using the FOB main and Kama Offhand? Or is using Scepeter Main and Kama offhand just as effective? Which is the best combo of my weapons including which hand they should be in?<span style="color: #009999;">FoB and SoD Kama is best combo for you. I would put Kama on the main hand and FoB on the off hand (448 on int wis and agi).</span><span style="color: #009999;">Or FoB on main hand and Kama on off hand (your current build)</span>What CA's should I just remove off my hotbar?<span style="color: #009999;">With 2 2.5 delay weapons, you can use all your CAs since it's very easy to time CA between auto attacks.</span>This is for Raiding DPS only. My standard group is OT group with Zerker, Mystic, Brigand, Monk, Bruiser, Swash. We just don't have enough Bard's to have one in every group yet consistently. I average 1k - 1.3k ZW depending on zone and ultimately group, but that's on average. Hearing all these other parse claims from Monks makes me realize I need to step up my game. I have all the right adornments and I have the +5crush +5slash on weapons. 3 pieces of legend EOF for 2% Double attack bonus and the rest fabled. I have 4 EOF class fabled, but the pieces just seem to suck for dps compared to the Legendary sets. The DPS adornments on neck and ranged and Werewolf Paw. Self buffed Haste and haste items hits around 124-129 I forget which.AA Build - Int 448, Wis 44861, Agi 45<span style="color: #009999;">1 point on Baton flurry is enough. My AA build is Int 4482, Wis 44881, Agi 41 since I need to off tank or even main tank in raid sometimes.If you don't need to off tank, another spec might be good for you as well is 448 on Int Wis and Agi until you get real good fabled 2.5 weapons.</span>Hope that's enough info to help with the feedback. Thanks in advance for any help on increasing my dps. I do try and time my ca's as well.</blockquote>

[Siatfallen]

I disagree with Couching on his conclusions. I hope he can provide me the reasons for his conclusions, as it may well be some factor I am missing.First off, as I understand it, if you have +5 slashing on Lucanic Kama, that does not help you. Even if the weapon is slashing damage, it uses crushing to hit (yes, that's wierd). Exchange it for a vampiric adornment for the extra damage I'd say.I agree that you should use the two 2.5 delay weapons... Except when CoB is called if you happen to be grouped with a dirge. Then, swap in scepter of destruction. A macro can be set up for this.Depending on your haste, agi 45 can be very good or a waste of points. With about 105% haste, agi 45 makes two standard CAs 0.03 seconds slower than an autoattack (as I recall). The fact that your Autoattacks are just a tiny little bit faster than CAs is important because it allows you to stream CAs with minimal loss, which is why agi 45 may be a good idea. If you can provide me figures of your haste (with and without berserker's proc as well as an overview of procs on yourself etc.) I'd be happy to crunch numbers in that regard.I use about the same build as you (wis is 48821 for AE damage reasons, but otherwise it's identical), but then, I do not ever tank unless I really have to, and I lose a load of solo ability because I tend to die too fast without the points in the fourth ability in int/wis.

[Couching]

<cite>Siatfallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I disagree with Couching on his conclusions. I hope he can provide me the reasons for his conclusions, as it may well be some factor I am missing.<span style="color: #009999;">Well, you need to let me know which part you disagree, weapon selection or speculation on brawler tree.</span>First off, as I understand it, if you have +5 slashing on Lucanic Kama, that does not help you. Even if the weapon is slashing damage, it uses crushing to hit (yes, that's wierd). Exchange it for a vampiric adornment for the extra damage I'd say.<span style="color: #009999;">For raider, power drain adornment is better than hp adornment.</span>I agree that you should use the two 2.5 delay weapons... Except when CoB is called if you happen to be grouped with a dirge. Then, swap in scepter of destruction. A macro can be set up for this.<span style="color: #009999;">He said in his case, there is no dirge in the OT group.</span>Depending on your haste, agi 45 can be very good or a waste of points. With about 105% haste, agi 45 makes two standard CAs 0.03 seconds slower than an autoattack (as I recall). The fact that your Autoattacks are just a tiny little bit faster than CAs is important because it allows you to stream CAs with minimal loss, which is why agi 45 may be a good idea. If you can provide me figures of your haste (with and without berserker's proc as well as an overview of procs on yourself etc.) I'd be happy to crunch numbers in that regard.I use about the same build as you (wis is 48821 for AE damage reasons, but otherwise it's identical), but then, I do not ever tank unless I really have to, and I lose a load of solo ability because I tend to die too fast without the points in the fourth ability in int/wis.<span style="color: #009999;">Unless you want to get 3rd ability of agi, more than 1 point on baton flurry is a waste. You get only tiny improvement on damage and recovery speed with extra points. </span></blockquote>

[x0rtrun]

I don't use rumbling wyrm or assailing jaguar when raiding to save on power since they have a low power:damage ratio.

[Junaru]

<cite>x0rtrunks wrote:</cite><blockquote>I don't use rumbling wyrm or assailing jaguar when raiding to save on power since they have a low power:damage ratio. </blockquote>Do you have power issues? Even without hearts or shards I rarely run into power problems. I use ever CA's in my book while raiding. I think what you need to do is get out the old calculator and start crunching numbers. It took a lot of work/time to come up with the right build for me. I was one of the few who used the AGI line before the weapon changes but since the changes I have specced different because with my weapons it doesn't help me any.I'm almost finished SoD and have been waiting for my RG to drop in MMIS. Then I'll respec again. Or when RoK comes out with the added 20 AA's.

[x0rtrun]

In long fights I usually end up running out of power yes. Getting some flowing thought items would definitely help me out. Even adding a +6 wrist item has helped. Adding GEBs and another wrist item would be great, and adding a power tap adorn would be enough to solve it completely. Even so, I still wouldn't use rumbling wyrm or assailing jaguar because they don't do much damage for the amount of power they consume. I'd rather not cast it and get in a few more big hits.

[Couching]

Some average CA dps on EH 3rd floor:Rumbling wyrm: 31 dpsAssailing jaguar: 20 d[sLeap tiger : 43 dpsSilence palm: 31 dpsDF: 24 dpsJolting strike: 26 dpsEagle spin: 8.5 dpsDon't give up any CA if you can as long as you have a pair of 1.6+ delay weapons. With one point on Baton flurry and our raid wide haste/casting speed buff, you can even time CA without losing auto attack.If you have problem on power, get power drain adornments on your weapons, it helps a lot.

[Nerill]

The only CA that I do not use on long fights ( 3 min or higher ) is Silencing Palm.At 142 power to cast, the Power to Damage ratio is just not worth it.

[Killerbee3000]

Silencing palm is more like a pull spell when tanking anyway since it reduces the amount of dmg the mob puts out so it allows to build up more aggro before you need healage.... its really a good ca.. when soloing or grouping... but, its pointless in raids. powre issues? gotta love power drain adorns<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />