the runspeed thread to rule them all

[opteius]

ok, i dont have all the information to make this post BUT could someone please reply with a full list of fury run buffs and combinations? maybe a list of pve vs pvp server?until i get pp and jboots i cant really remark on the subject, but i am dying to know.Druid AA Tree - Heirophant Movement                  +10Fury AA Tree - Enhanced: Peerless Predator        +35Spirit of the Wolf                                                    +20Journey Boots                                                        +10Fae Racial                                                               +5Fae Shapeshift                                                         +5whatelse??-------Warden AA Tree - Enhanced: SoW                       +45

[Ferunnia]

Pact of the cheetah. temporary buff for 48-64% without aas into I believe. Kerrans have the racial for speed as well. Best combo I have seen is such: Heirophants+Enhanced:peerless predator=45% run speed for any race but kerrans and fae, 50% for those two. Cheetah stacks with those buffs so over 100% speed for short bursts. Keep in mind that's in-combat run speed, so it's always active.

[opteius]

I didnt think hierophant AA stacked with Peerless Predator AA??can someone please verify?

[Avanya]

<cite>opteius wrote:</cite><blockquote>I didnt think hierophant AA stacked with Peerless Predator AA??can someone please verify?</blockquote>Yes, Hierophant Movement stacks with Peerless Predator AA.  If you read them you will see that they both increase in-combat movement speed, thus they stack.  I have a fury and can verify that.

[CodeKill]

<p>With the right AA choices I had my Fury at 55% run speed, and Cheetah said 110%, but maxed at 100% for 36 seconds or better. I know I can cover a zone end to end with cheetah no sweat. Since I respected my runspeed is 45% and SOW does nothing for me when I cast it. So they are not stackable with the other aa's and buffs.</p>

[Lulian]

<p>I believe that all in-combat run speed bonuses stack.  Normal non-combat run speeds for the most part do not stack with either type.  There are exceptions for example the 40% provided by the droag swill will stack with other non-combat run speeds.  A friend was at 85% last night with the swill and a sow.</p><p>Iirc isn't the peerless pred. bonus a 40%.  I am pretty sure my fury was at 45% with the kerran bonus and the pred. bonus.</p>

[Verrie77]

<span style="color: #cc6600;">How about Animist Boots....and JourneyMan Boots...do they stack with anything we got ?Both give 10 % extra speed</span>

[Ferunnia]

The peerless isn't in combat on pvp servers anymore, not sure about the heirophant's...so if you aren't getting them to stack that's why.

[Gutwren]

<cite>Lulian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I believe that all in-combat run speed bonuses stack.  Normal non-combat run speeds for the most part do not stack with either type.  There are exceptions for example the 40% provided by the droag swill will stack with other non-combat run speeds.  A friend was at 85% last night with the swill and a sow.</p><p>Iirc isn't the peerless pred. bonus a 40%.  I am pretty sure my fury was at 45% with the kerran bonus and the pred. bonus.</p></blockquote>It's 35%.

[Lulian]

You are correct.  I hadn't played in awhile and I was thinking for some reason I was up to 45%.  I logged in the other day and was at 40% with the kerran 5%.

[Kay]

i cant say much about pve - but i cant give a few pointers on the runspeed thing for pvpas of right now, i currently run at 55% run speed out of combat - my poor horse doesnt come outa the stable anymore due to the fact moving is harder with it, and i run faster than him anyways.how i get it:20% - spirit of wolf35% - seasoned predator enchancement AA (5 points)when i am just traveling around, i can also equip my jboots (or animist's boots if u have them) to get an additional 10% - which causes me to run at 65%.a warden's sow will override, not stack, w/ my sow.  on pvp - most wardens have enhanced sow - which is 45%.  so 45% warden sow + 35% enhanced seasoned predator AA = 80% run speed out of combat - 95% if i also have my jboots on.in-combat...sow and jboots/animist's boots do not work in combat - but the enhanced seasoned predator aa does.  hierophant movement works in combat - but <i>not pvp combat.</i>pretty much - on pvp servers - all out of combat things stack, and all incombat things stack.  the seasoned predator aa that doesnt state weather it's in or out of combat works for both.  drinks that effect run speed count as out of combat and stack w/ sow, jboots, and whatnot.  the cap is 100% - even if what you have running adds up to be over 100%.cheetah...pact of the cheetah is essentially useless on pvp servers now.  i wont say i've come as far as taking it off my hotbar - but i rarely use it now compared to how things used to be.  it does not work in <i>pvp combat!  </i>in fact - if you have a group jump you and start beating down on you, and you cast pact of the cheetah to get away, it will actually put you into combat.  this means a spell that is supposed to make u run fast to get away, is actually slowing you down greating and making it so you cant zone or ride carpets/clouds/griffons.  as fas as it stacking w/ other run speed augmentations?  i have mine at master 1 (64%) and if i am just running around out of combat at 55% (my sow + jboots) - it will increase to it's 64%.  as i mentioned before, if i have a group attacking me and i cast it - i get put "into pvp combat" and my speed reduces to 35% (my seasoned predator upgrade).  if while out of combat i cast cheetah + sprint (40%), i will run at 100% (technically 104%, but there is that darn cap) until i run out of power or the timer on cheetah runs out - whichever is first.Now about that cap...run speed caps at 100% - or so you think!  when u press "p" and look at your runspeed, the max it will show is 100% (no matter what all ur droag swills, sows, jboots, etc. combined may really add up to).   but - whatever your "excess" is - is still "there" - it just doesnt go into effect until you are snared.  let me explain: i cast potc and sprint in combat - 104% is my total runspeed.  the fastest the persona window shows, and the fastest i will travel is 100% - but that extra 4% is still kinda in limbo.  all of a sudden i get snared for 50%.  when i look at my run speed, it now says i am traveling at 54%.  100% runspeed - 50% snare = 50%, then add that extra 4% that was over the "cap" and you get ur 54% that your persona window is showing.that's about all i can think of for runspeed concerning the pvp servers atm - tbh watching a red sox game atm and away from eq so bear with me if my amounts are slighty off - but i think you'll get the general drist of things thru my rambling.  Have fun!<3 Kayah - Darkhand - Nagafen

[KalChoedan]

<cite>Kayah@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>how i get it:20% - spirit of wolf35% - seasoned predator enchancement AA (5 points)</blockquote>I don't know whether this is a PvP vs PvE server thing, but I can tell you that on a PvE server, SoW is a out-of-combat run-speed buff, which means it doesn't stack.  The 35% from seasoned predator, as the highest buff, is used, and SoW is completely ignored.  This is very easy to test, you only need 8 AAs and level 13+.  This throws off all the rest of your calculations.The best you can do is Seasoned Pred + Hierophant for +45% and 10% jboots, for a total of 55%, 60% if you are a race with a +5% racial and the fae/arasai shapeshift can net another 5% although I haven't personally tested this for stacking, if it does stack this will get you to 65% base run speed.  Obviously Cheetah and the various racial clicky runspeed buffs are also available and will take you to 100% for their duration.

[Ferunnia]

Jboots are out of combat runspeed as well. Group with a bard for those 60%+ incombat run speeds.

[KalChoedan]

<cite>Ferunnia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Jboots are out of combat runspeed as well. Group with a bard for those 60%+ incombat run speeds.</blockquote>This is true, but item buffs are treated differently.  You can stack one and one only out-of-combat runspeed buff from an item with all the rest.  Of course it won't apply during combat, but it will add to your runspeed for travelling purposes.  Caveat - I haven't actually tested this on my Fury as my Fury doesn't have his jboots yet, but I know for sure it works for a Ranger with (enhanced) pathfinding.

[Ferunnia]

Isn't pathfinding out-of-combat?

[Kay]

the last time i posted in this thread was pre - rok  - anyways just to add this tid bit..since chokidai totems have been introduced into game - i now run at 80% out of combat on a pvp server...35% - seasoned predator aa's45% - chokidai totemif i put my jboots on then i'm at 90%..if i am out of totems, i'll suffice at running at 55% (but i admit - that's when the boots tend to come out to make it 65%)35% - seasoned predator aa's20% - sowi dont know how things work on a pve server - but for pvp it seems that out of combat run speeds stack (aside from sow w/ totems) and in combat things stack - just not one w/ the other..like - while i am just running around at my 80% from totems and aa's if i merely cast sprint -or- pact of the cheetah - i stay at 80%.  however - if i cast both of them at the same time - the 64% from pact and the 40% from sprint stack to 100% (well technically 104% - read my above post if u want to learn a little more from about that).that's all for today - maybe when they change the game again - i'll update it a bit more for the pvp side of things.<3 Kayah-Darkhand

[TheLopper]

<p>I play on Nagafen (PvP), and SoW does infact stack with Heirophantic Movement (sp?), and the Peerless Preadator AA.</p><p>I run at 61% "innate" (without any items), and 71% "enchanced" (with item[s]) while wearing J-boots.</p><p>If Fury the fastest class in the game?  Atleast fastest <i>sustainable</i> run speed?  </p>

[TheKons]

I'm on a regular server and i just run at 45% with the totem and peerless predator. =/

[Zooey]

<cite>KalChoedan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>The best you can do is Seasoned Pred + Hierophant for +45% and 10% jboots, for a total of 55%, 60% if you are a race with a +5% racial and the fae/arasai shapeshift can net another 5% although I haven't personally tested this for stacking,<span class="postbody">.......it will add to your runspeed for travelling purposes.  Caveat - I haven't actually tested this on my Fury as my Fury doesn't have his jboots yet, </span></blockquote>Well - I got my Jboots today - and they don't stack with Predator enhancement (on PvE that is). So the best I can get atm is 5% Fae racial + 35% Seasoned Predator (didn't put any points into hierophant line yet) = 40% runspeed.Jboots speed stacks with SoW though - so that would be 10% Jboots, 20% SoW and 5% Fae racial for a total of 35%

[Ferunnia]

Hell, just get some Chokidai Totems. 45% speed, bam, done.Edit: With a totem, half elf racial, and hierophant's movement (before I specced out of it) I was at a constant 60% and 100% with cheetah up.

[Radigazt]

<p>My normal is 35% from Predator AA, + 45% from a Chokidai Totem for a total of 80% runspeed.  I am seriously considering trying to get the Anamist boots for 10% and possibly respecc'ing into the 10% extra runspeed so that I can be at 100% out of combat at all times.  Note, whenever I'm grouped with a Warden or am lucky enough to get a 45% Warden SoW, I can save my Chok Totems.  </p><p>As an aside, every bleepin Q toon in the game seems to get in-combat runspeed, particularly PvP classes like Rangers who have waaaaaay too many other tools for PvP.  It makes absolutely no sense that they took our in-combat runspeed from Predator and changed it to out-of-combat (on PvP servers), and even less sense that Cheetah puts you into combat and does not work in-combat.  </p><p>SOE, please be consistent, if in-combat runspeed is overpowered, remove it from the other classes and the racial traits.  If it is not overpowered, please restore our in-combat runspeed for Predator and Cheetah.  </p>

[Aneova]

Hierophant's Movement stacks with everything, from SoW to Jboots (even the claimable Vodka drink speed boost). The Predator boost only stacks with other incombat movement speed increases such as pact of the cheetah. I have a High Elf Fury who runs at a nice 45% like all standard, non racial speed boost furies, fast enough for me and i'll never need a mount unless they finally hit say 60%.

[Tylis]

One thing that always seems to confuse some people is the diffrence with PP on PVP and PVE servers.    Because PP is out of combat only on PVP servers, SOW will stack with it.    But because it's both in/out of combat on PVE, SOW does not stack.

[Nikku]

<p>First I read the first page and get excited, then read the second page and get confused.  On a PVP server, what items count towards in combat speed?  </p><p>Totems<img src="/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Peerless<img src="/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>SoW: No</p><p>Hierophant's:</p><p>J-Boots:</p><p>Racial:  </p><p>Anything I'm missing... I'm just a little gnome fury so trying to figure out my top run speed in combat.</p>

[Ferunnia]

I believe of those, only heirophant's and your racial will be counted towards in-combat run speed. A lot more things stack on pvp out of combat, so that higher sustainable speeds are possible though.

[Darman81]

<p>PVP- with max AA in peerless predator and my own SOW and my Kerra 5% racial trait. I am self buffed at 60% runspeed.</p><p>If a warden with 45% sow casts it on me im at 85% runspeed. In Neriak its a pain because im constantly bouncing off walls!</p><p>I havent tried the Druid wisdom line which says it increases speed even further.</p><p>When I hit 42 I will do The jboot run and it should put me at 70% selfbuffed.</p><p>In pvp the speed is great! Of course once you engage all that goes bye bye! </p>

[Darman81]

<p>Forgot to make it clear, All speed enhancements cancel when you enter into combat.</p><p>I believe only a Bard has speed buffs that continue during PVP combat!</p>

[Mhedic]

<p>As a Barbarian Fury,  The Highest Runspeed i have gotten to is 35% and that was with the Peerless Predator AA.</p><p>I have tried stacking SoW, Jboots, Racial (5% not sure if its in or out of combat).  And From what i have seen nothing seems to stack for me with the Peerless AA.  The most i can get is 35%.  SoW 20% + Jboots 10% + Racial 5% = 35% or Peerless AA for 35%.  I don't know if I was bugged or not and i don't have the Hierophant AA yet, but working toward it.  I only know that Jboots don't stack with my Peerless AA.  I know Sprint and Spirit of the Cheetah do, but those are temporary buffs.  </p><p>So if this is a bug on my char please let me know.  I see on how the Fae and the Kerran both have 5% racial, but the Barbarians start out with it at lvl 1. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I will test the Vodka or Droag Swill to see if they stack with it, but its seeming more and more like nothing (Item, SoW or Racial) will stack with my Peerless AA.  </p><p>As far as other classes goes i think there was a thread somewhere about this also.  With many of the scout AAs increasing there Runspeeds as well as other classes with SoWs and Monks with Sprint on top of the Racial Abilities and AAs.  </p><p>So All in All, I think self buffed your stuck at <span style="color: #cc0000;">60%</span>-<span style="color: #00cc00;">70%</span> PvE (<span style="color: #cc0000;">Peerless AA 35% + Hierophant AA 10% + Jboots 10% + Racial 5%</span> or <span style="color: #00cc00;">Chokadi Totem 45% + Hierophant AA 10% + Jboots 10% + Racial 5%</span>) or <span style="color: #6600cc;">80%</span>-<span style="color: #ffff00;">105%</span> PvP (<span style="color: #6633ff;">Peerless AA 35% + SoW 20% + Hierophant AA 10% + Jboots 10% + Racial 5%</span> or <span style="color: #ffff00;">Peerless AA 35% + Chokadi Totem 45% + Jboots 10% + Hierophant AA 10% + Racial 5%</span>).  Or any combination of those.  </p>

[Darman81]

<p>Mhedicin- are you on a pvp server? Pvp servers arent the same as pve. Anyhow if you are on a pvp server you have a definate problem because you should be running atleast at 60% with the barbarian 5% buff, 20% SOW, and Peerles predator 35%=60%. On mistmoore I have a 70 fury and these abilities dont stack.</p><p>Just to clarify- my level 40 fury on Nagafen the abilities stack</p>

[Mhedic]

<p>I have a PvP toon and i know they stack there. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  I also have most of my toons on PvE servers in which they don't stack.  My Fury in particular.  I have testing many combinations of run speed buffs and found that self buffed i can't get past 35%. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  When i have help from my wifes Warden I can though.</p>

[Ferunnia]

Your racial runspeed is most likely out-of-combat. Use that, a chokidai totem, and when you get heirophant's movement, you'll be at 60% sustainable run speed out of combat. Only a few races have in-combat runspeeds that stack with the Peerless Predator enhancement. Those and heirophant's movement are about the only things that stack with it...OK, gonna try clarifying.Read your spell and ability descriptors. It will either say out-of-combat run speed, in-combat run speed, or just run speed. Run speed (if the devs don't stick it randomly where it doesn't belong) simply means that, like the heirophant AA the buff/spell/whatever adds BOTH in-combat and out-of-combat run speeds. Please remember that those are seperate, and as always, read spell descriptors.<span style="font-size: xx-small;">(This has been a fury forum public service announcement)</span>

[Nikku]

I have read some of these but it is different from incombat and pvp in combat.  Peerless says it works incombat but everyone is telling me they changed it for pvp combat.  I'm guessing there is no real speed increase now that I didn't choose either of those races for in pvp combat.  It's cool I just thought it would be cool to run faster in pvp combat, give me an edge on catching(snare)/getting away.

[carpe_caminus]

For starters I'll say I play on a PvE server.I'm sure it's a bug but occasionally when a Warden SoW's me I get higher than 45%.  I think it ends up being 55%, but I can't remember exactly.  Sometimes I'll get the warded enhanced SoW to stack and sometimes it won't.I find it rather annoying that we only get up to 45% and that our SoW doesn't stack.  I mean SoW used to be THE spell of druids in EQ1 and of any druid class in EQ2 a while back.Currently I have Hierophant Movement and the Peerless Predator AA's maxed, and run at 45%.  The last time I tried to wear my Jboots they didn't do anything, but that was a long time ago, so I don't know if it's changed or not.  Kinda sucks anyway because I usually wear gnomish stilts anyway because I LOVE the glide ability and I don't want to re-roll as a Fae just to get it without an item.  In any case I really wish SoW would stack to at least some degree, if only to 50%.  I still have some Droag Scale Swill saved and don't want to use it since last I checked there's no way to get more or any other food/drink with a runbuff effect.  Cheetah stacks as does Sprint, so between the two you can really move when you need to.Of course what I really REALLY wish, is that they would give us a SoE (spirit of eagle) line of spells.  If anyone has played EQ1 it gave levitation and a higher runspeed buff than SoW.  Now that they have more and more items and races getting glide and slowfall abilities it would make sense to have an SoE spell that would give a stackable runspeed buff and either glide or slowfall added in, since there is no real levitation.