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Ryik

10-09-2007, 12:33 PM

OK, so I have read countless postings about bows but most of them are very old. I have also received advice from folks on other posts where DPS was asked about. What I want to know is....Since Fabled Bows in raids drop so few and far between what bow should I be getting for the best DPS possible in a raid zone?I currently use the Rain Caller for solo/groups, as the stun proc is awsome...I have already gotten my hands on the Ghostly Bow of Byzle...I was seeing posts about grizzfazzles bow...Also another bow from unrest...I am probably missing one or 5, I am currently running with a group that raids labs/lycium regularly and I know there is a bow that drops in there as well...So all you raiding rangers, that have not gotten your hands on a fabled bow yet....WHICH BOW????? Keeping in mind I am using the adamantine field point arrows.Thanks in Advance.

Jibantic

10-09-2007, 01:30 PM

Ghostly Bow of Byzle + Field point arrows is your best chance at reaching top 10 in parses until you get fabled raid bows.If your technique is good and you have at least on good buff class with you (Illusionist and/or dirge), you should be getting around 1.5k zonewide with Byzle and FPA.Until you can get your hands on a fabled, concentrate onIncreasing STR.Increasing INT.Increasing +RangedIncreasing +Range CritHit the vendor and make sure you are stocked up on- Mastercrafted caustic poison- Mastercrafted elixir of tacticsWith all your Ranger AAs dumped into Int/Agi and double shot / Extension or ConservationDo all that and you should be able to consistently top parses even with Byzle and FPA.

Ryik

10-09-2007, 01:52 PM

Good advice!I already use MC posions (even in groups) as I am really working on my parses, so I don't want to have to scale them. At 64 I hit my top parse on a yellow con named mob yesterday 1K, nice crit from sniper's shot(over 7k, although I have seen it do 8700 once) <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />for my AA I have already maxed out AGI with end line and 8 points into crit, same on INT line with the few extra points on the KoS tree into top level INT.On the ranger tree I have 5 points into all the multi-shot ones, except stream of arrows, 0 in that one, and have the double shot. I put the 5 points into caustic, and I am now working down focus, min in defensive stance to open the rest and have 5 into steady aim, and will be maxing out hones reflexes and feral instincts then getting extension, just need 11 points till I get that.Any words of advice ranger strategy for raids?Casting Order to maximize your DPS?Best to stand in that sweet spot where you can melee and ranged, joust, or just ranged?Any way to use ACT to tell you when your Bow is about to auto attack so I dont miss those auto fires and the chance at a big crit?I am all eyes to soak up that knowledge and show people that rangers can still DPS with the best of them, despite SOEs constant nerfing. hehe

Umigo

10-09-2007, 03:08 PM

The only bow i have seen so far from Unrest is the "Torn Ligament Longbow" it is a legendary with a 91.3 rating. Slightly better than Grizzfazzles. One other suggestion in terms of poisons, Grandmaster Ignorant Bliss will help with the agro control. If you are not aware you can stack four poisons, I'm currently using four grandmasters; Ignorant Bliss, Fettering, Warding Ebb, and Hemotoxin. Will have to check out the Elixir of tactics had not seen that one before. Happy hunting.

Ryik

10-09-2007, 03:41 PM

What would be an example of a 4th poison?I am currently using the grandmasters... Caustic Warding Ebb Ignorant BlissSeems like you can only use 1 of each color at a time and since vendor poisons do not stack, what is the 4th?If you are using Ignorant Bliss you should not be able to use fettering, unless I am wrong about the color stack.I am all for more damage, although it comes at a price (especially when you fire 800 arrows down range each time you go out in a decent group. hehe

Giland

10-09-2007, 03:42 PM

Torn Ligament longbow is 164-383 an lvl 70, so you only get what, 77% of the damage? delay is 6 seconds (DR 91.3)Ghostly bow of bylze is 65-585 and is lvl 59. The delay is 9 seconds. (DR 72.3)

BigChiefJJ

10-09-2007, 04:13 PM

Labs and lyceem are not going to produce a bow that will do much better for you unless you get DT ammo. Dark fury long bow (or something like) is a good bow that rivals the Blayze bow, It has better stats, but a lower top end damage and a shorter delay. It's a lvl 59 fabled bow that drops off the Black Queen (final mob) in Courts. There is also a nice Ranger/Assassin ring that I believe gives +ranged from the green Gardner in Courts if you cannot get the one in Labs to fall for you. Definitely stay in the sweet spot to maximize your damage (if you can withstand the mob AE's), and start fights that you can with intoxication active on your weapons. From the sweet spot you can easily keep mortal reminder active, and use your back attacks quickly between ranged auto attacks. The poison debuff from your Int tree will also help your intoxication and poisons to hit for more.

Ranja

10-09-2007, 05:05 PM

<cite>TheFever wrote:</cite><blockquote>The only bow i have seen so far from Unrest is the "Torn Ligament Longbow" it is a legendary with a 91.3 rating. Slightly better than Grizzfazzles. One other suggestion in terms of poisons, Grandmaster Ignorant Bliss will help with the agro control. If you are not aware you can stack four poisons, I'm currently using four grandmasters; Ignorant Bliss, Fettering, Warding Ebb, and Hemotoxin. Will have to check out the Elixir of tactics had not seen that one before. Happy hunting.</blockquote>AFAIK, you can stack 3. You cannot use fettering and bliss at the same time. I am in game now and I checked. They overwrite each other. You can stack one of each. Damage, debuff, and misc.Damage (red) = Caustic or hemo, mental and vitalityDebuff (purple) warding, cerebral, gracelessness, enfeebling I am missing oneMisc (blue) turgur, bliss, fettering, stupefyingThat is it.

gfx

10-09-2007, 05:31 PM

I know for a fact that you can use stupefying and fettering. haven't tried others tho, but I'm sure you can use ignorant and fettering aswell.

Jibantic

10-09-2007, 06:05 PM

I already use MC posions (even in groups) as I am really working on my parses, so I don't want to have to scale them. At 64 I hit my top parse on a yellow con named mob yesterday 1K, nice crit from sniper's shot(over 7k, although I have seen it do 8700 once) I would dump sniper shot. The casting time is to far to long and you will get more dps out of 2 auto attacks your giving up casting that CA.I use macros to maximize dps and minimize toolbar clutter. On an average single pull this is what is going on:1. Tank Pulls and positions mobs back to raid force.2. Cast Focus Aim3. Hit Auto attack + debuff 4. Macro 1 - Triple Volley + Culling the Weak5. Auto Attack goes off6. Macro 2 - Surveillance + Veiled Fire7. Auto Ack goes off8. Macro 3 - 2 cas9. Auto10. Killing Instinct + Macro 4 2 cas. 11. AutoBy now all your ranged AA are down. I usually do a combo of AA poison CAs and some more debuffing.To maximize your dps with Brig in the raid. Use auto attack mixing in debuffs until the Brig Calls Dispatch, then pop your Focus aim, wait for an auto attack then go through your Best Ranged CA cycle. If your pulling aggro with that lineup the tank is less then ideal and you'll have to slip in Elude as often as possible and maybe start your lineup with Confounding Arrows (which will help tank build aggro, considering someone doesn't peal it before this lands).I also setup 2 macros for the sweet spot when all ranged CAs are down.1. Heroic + Longblade2. Ranger's Blade + Emberstrike (only one goes off, when RB is down ember goes off in its place)Mix in some Mortal Reminder CA and you'll get some decent dps numbers.

Gareorn

10-09-2007, 06:12 PM

The Sinew Wrapped Longbow (Legendary) drops in Lyceum. This is the best non-fabled raid bow you can get. I've seen it drop twice in about 12 trips to Lyceum. It's much better than GBoB, RC, or TL. But you'll have to make a few trips to get one.

Jibantic

10-09-2007, 06:25 PM

That bow is level 68. not positive, but wouldn't you need tenderwood arrows to get 100% damage out of that bow. Personally I've never tried it, just speculating.<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Sinew Wrapped Longbow (Legendary) drops in Lyceum. This is the best non-fabled raid bow you can get. I've seen it drop twice in about 12 trips to Lyceum. It's much better than GBoB, RC, or TL. But you'll have to make a few trips to get one.</blockquote>

BigChiefJJ

10-09-2007, 06:40 PM

<cite>Jibantic wrote:</cite><blockquote>That bow is level 68. not positive, but wouldn't you need tenderwood arrows to get 100% damage out of that bow. Personally I've never tried it, just speculating.<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Sinew Wrapped Longbow (Legendary) drops in Lyceum. This is the best non-fabled raid bow you can get. I've seen it drop twice in about 12 trips to Lyceum.It's much better than GBoB, RC, or TL. But you'll have to make a few trips to get one.</blockquote></blockquote>The sinew wraped long bow does come out of lyceem (Gnillium I belive) however it does not perform much better than Blayze or Darkfury or Raincaller if you are using Fieldpoints. If by chance you do have DT ammo and don't have a fabled long bow the SWLB does out perform the T6 bows. The advantage that this bow has over all but raincaller is that it has a damage proc on it as well.

Malloch

10-09-2007, 08:10 PM

<cite>Jibantic wrote:</cite><blockquote>I already use MC posions (even in groups) as I am really working on my parses, so I don't want to have to scale them. At 64 I hit my top parse on a yellow con named mob yesterday 1K, nice crit from sniper's shot(over 7k, although I have seen it do 8700 once) I would dump sniper shot. The casting time is to far to long and you will get more dps out of 2 auto attacks your giving up casting that CA.I use macros to maximize dps and minimize toolbar clutter. On an average single pull this is what is going on:1. Tank Pulls and positions mobs back to raid force.2. Cast Focus Aim3. Hit Auto attack + debuff 4. Macro 1 - Triple Volley + Culling the Weak5. Auto Attack goes off6. Macro 2 - Surveillance + Veiled Fire7. Auto Ack goes off8. Macro 3 - 2 cas9. Auto10. Killing Instinct + Macro 4 2 cas. 11. AutoBy now all your ranged AA are down. I usually do a combo of AA poison CAs and some more debuffing.To maximize your dps with Brig in the raid. Use auto attack mixing in debuffs until the Brig Calls Dispatch, then pop your Focus aim, wait for an auto attack then go through your Best Ranged CA cycle. If your pulling aggro with that lineup the tank is less then ideal and you'll have to slip in Elude as often as possible and maybe start your lineup with Confounding Arrows (which will help tank build aggro, considering someone doesn't peal it before this lands).I also setup 2 macros for the sweet spot when all ranged CAs are down.1. Heroic + Longblade2. Ranger's Blade + Emberstrike (only one goes off, when RB is down ember goes off in its place)Mix in some Mortal Reminder CA and you'll get some decent dps numbers.</blockquote>With a 9 second bow, and a lot of haste (illusionist haste) my AA time is down around 4.1 to 4.5 seconds. Snipers is 3.5 with poise. I can get snipers off without missing 2 AA's (heck, i can get it off without missing one AA) My M1 snipers hits from 8k up to 17k. Why not use it when other CA's are down and it can be used between AA's? STOP saying to never use snipers as its bad for dps. Its not if you know how and when to use it. (12k snipers in 4 seconds = 3k dps BETWEEN Autoattacks) As the OP is lvl 64, using GBoB, RC, Griz or TL, snipers is definately a viable CA when used in conjunction with your Autoattacks. At 64, his snipers is going to outdamage any other 2 CA's (exception is rain on multi mobs) he has.IF you get your AA time under 4.5 seconds AND you have a bow that Autoattacks for 8k+ (fabled raid bow), THEN you probably shouldnt use snipers. However, IF you can use it without delaying autoattacks, its another damage CA you can use between AA's. That being said, i generally dont use it on raids. I generally always have CA's up beside snipers during the raid as i tend to try to sustain dps and not burst everything, while keeping debuffs, elude, surveillance going. If all my CA's are down, elude/surveillance down, ill wait for an autoattack and throw in longblade/snipers.~ Mal

Beldin_

10-09-2007, 10:08 PM

<cite>ParmaSniper wrote:</cite><blockquote>I currently use the Rain Caller for solo/groups, as the stun proc is awsome...I have already gotten my hands on the Ghostly Bow of Byzle...WHICH BOW????? Keeping in mind I am using the adamantine field point arrows.</blockquote>Yepp .. Bylze for Raids .. RC for solo/groups.Snipers in groups is still worth it from time to time .. my normal autoattack damage in groups is around 2-2,5k i think, so i need 3-4 shots for the damage of snipers.

Gareorn

10-10-2007, 12:00 AM

<cite>Wodreaux@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jibantic wrote:</cite><blockquote>That bow is level 68. not positive, but wouldn't you need tenderwood arrows to get 100% damage out of that bow. Personally I've never tried it, just speculating.<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Sinew Wrapped Longbow (Legendary) drops in Lyceum. This is the best non-fabled raid bow you can get. I've seen it drop twice in about 12 trips to Lyceum.It's much better than GBoB, RC, or TL. But you'll have to make a few trips to get one.</blockquote></blockquote>The sinew wraped long bow does come out of lyceem (Gnillium I belive) however it does not perform much better than Blayze or Darkfury or Raincaller if you are using Fieldpoints. If by chance you do have DT ammo and don't have a fabled long bow the SWLB does out perform the T6 bows. The advantage that this bow has over all but raincaller is that it has a damage proc on it as well. </blockquote>Well, putting aside all the stats about percentages and levels... While using field points I generated 300-400 more DPS using SWL over GBoB or RC. I can't speak to the DF, I don't have one. I figure the best bow is the one that gives me the best DPS. /shrug.

jarlaxle8

10-10-2007, 09:53 AM

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, putting aside all the stats about percentages and levels... While using field points I generated 300-400 more DPS using SWL over GBoB or RC. I can't speak to the DF, I don't have one. I figure the best bow is the one that gives me the best DPS. /shrug.</blockquote>You use the handcrafted arrows with SWL and do better then with RC or GBoB? Hmm, that would mean that the scaling of bow level vs. arrow level isn't as bad as most people think...

Gareorn

10-10-2007, 10:42 AM

<cite>Ryilan@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, putting aside all the stats about percentages and levels... While using field points I generated 300-400 more DPS using SWL over GBoB or RC. I can't speak to the DF, I don't have one. I figure the best bow is the one that gives me the best DPS. /shrug.</blockquote>You use the handcrafted arrows with SWL and do better then with RC or GBoB? Hmm, that would mean that the scaling of bow level vs. arrow level isn't as bad as most people think...</blockquote>I really don't know. I imagine that even though the SWL is a better bow, that it would be even more so if it weren't for the arrow scaling issue. I eventually shelved my SWL when I got the NBoTS (lvl 70 bow) because the NBoTS gave me a huge increase in DPS over the SWL. At the time, I had finally got my hands on some DT ammo though.And to be honest, I was still using my SWL when I got the DT ammo. Switching from field points to DT ammo only gave me a slight boost in DPS with the SWL. Probably because I lost 5-7 points on my hit percentage.

xandez

10-10-2007, 11:22 AM

eeepmy JkL is far better still than you QweR of POIY... why not try the BlaaaH also, it rocks <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />*giggles*sry, just had to <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan

jarlaxle8

10-12-2007, 07:06 AM

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ryilan@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, putting aside all the stats about percentages and levels... While using field points I generated 300-400 more DPS using SWL over GBoB or RC. I can't speak to the DF, I don't have one. I figure the best bow is the one that gives me the best DPS. /shrug.</blockquote>You use the handcrafted arrows with SWL and do better then with RC or GBoB? Hmm, that would mean that the scaling of bow level vs. arrow level isn't as bad as most people think...</blockquote>I really don't know. I imagine that even though the SWL is a better bow, that it would be even more so if it weren't for the arrow scaling issue. I eventually shelved my SWL when I got the NBoTS (lvl 70 bow) because the NBoTS gave me a huge increase in DPS over the SWL. At the time, I had finally got my hands on some DT ammo though.And to be honest, I was still using my SWL when I got the DT ammo. Switching from field points to DT ammo only gave me a slight boost in DPS with the SWL. Probably because I lost 5-7 points on my hit percentage.</blockquote>That's really interesting. I wonder if I should just buy the Torn Ligament off broker and see how it goes...But it seems my guild finally will make another go in EH again next week. Perhaps I'll get lucky. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> More likely Sarik won't be up with my luck though... or the gloves, which I already have, drop.

Arleonenis

10-16-2007, 05:34 PM

<cite>Ryilan@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's really interesting. I wonder if I should just buy the Torn Ligament off broker and see how it goes...But it seems my guild finally will make another go in EH again next week. Perhaps I'll get lucky. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> More likely Sarik won't be up with my luck though... or the gloves, which I already have, drop.</blockquote>bow from sarik have similar dps output as good t6 bows with crafted arrows (becouse broken arrow tiers), i have them and parsed them and didnt saw any major diffrence really so dont desperate if you didnt get one soon, it wouldnt be big upgrade just dissapointment without DT summoned arrows.torn ligamente is worst than rain caller dps wise, i use it only when aggro is issue (like PU groups with bad tank or raid mob that mem wipe a lot), not much use but situational it isnt bad, low dps output and detaunt proc help sometimes but not worth much plat wise just for such rare occcasions.(and i count here best adorment possible judi gear)

jarlaxle8

10-17-2007, 11:33 AM

<cite>Arleonenis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ryilan@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's really interesting. I wonder if I should just buy the Torn Ligament off broker and see how it goes...But it seems my guild finally will make another go in EH again next week. Perhaps I'll get lucky. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> More likely Sarik won't be up with my luck though... or the gloves, which I already have, drop.</blockquote>bow from sarik have similar dps output as good t6 bows with crafted arrows (becouse broken arrow tiers), i have them and parsed them and didnt saw any major diffrence really so dont desperate if you didnt get one soon, it wouldnt be big upgrade just dissapointment without DT summoned arrows.torn ligamente is worst than rain caller dps wise, i use it only when aggro is issue (like PU groups with bad tank or raid mob that mem wipe a lot), not much use but situational it isnt bad, low dps output and detaunt proc help sometimes but not worth much plat wise just for such rare occcasions.(and i count here best adorment possible judi gear)</blockquote>Thing is, I have a DT bow to summon arrows a while now. But you bet that my 'luck' of getting it without having to raid DT 100 times is now gimped by not having luck on getting a good bow to go with the ammo...And yeah, Sarik wasn't up. Of course... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/1cfd6e2a9a2c0cf8e74b49b35e2e46c7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> Who the hell even came up with random nameds beeing up in a raid zone? Plus the great addition of persistent zones I can wait 2 weeks now and still not be sure Sarik is up then or that he'll drop a bow...