Tsunami completely broken?

[Antas22]

So a few days ago, I decide to see if I can use Tsunami to fend off attacks while getting updates with the new 2 second timer. Not surprisingly, that didn't work, and I was interrupted. What was surprising is that I had actually been hit. I shrugged it off and moved on. The next day, I was grouping with some friends and we got a few adds, I popped Tsunami, and was promptly killed by a combat art. Naturally angry, I still reasoned that perhaps it had something to do with that art (Eviscerate, I believe). Then today, the last straw: similar situation, I pop Tsunami, about 2 seconds later, I'm killed by an auto attack. Has anybody else noticed that one of our best tanking abilities has been rendered absolutely useless? Or am I somehow just broken?

[x0rtrun]

I haven't noticed anything and I've been using it. /bug it with the mobs, what landed, and where.

[LexVS]

To use the Tsunami you must be in combat mode. There are no problems with this CA, exept a  short timer <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />.   Sorry for my english.

[Antas22]

I did /bug it, naturally, the first time it happened. I was just wondering if anybody else has had this occur. One time I can almost chalk up to freak event or simply user-error, but this has happened multiple times to me now. It happens in a variety of situations, not like its the same mob over and over (first time was in Halls of Fate, then again in Castle Mistmoore, and have had isolated events in Kaladim and Halls of the Seeing)--at other times, it's working exactly as it should. And before somebody asks the obvious, no, it wasn't a DoT that hit me, I've specifically checked the combat, I get hit by auto-attacks and combat arts AFTER Tsunami is in effect (not during the cast-time, or anything like that). To add to it, it seems completely random, SOME of them get riposted as they should. It's had me pulling my hair out, and really shot my confidence for tanking (as soon as things get hairy, do I really have a chance to survive to let healers get caught back up?)And Lex, as for your post...talk about completely off the mark.

[Naikilian]

Tsunami has been this way for a while now.  In order for it to work you must have engaged in combat.  So for your harvesting trick it would not work since u cant harvest when in combat.

[Morrolan V]

<p>Lex and Naikilian are correct.  I believe the problem you are having is that you are not in combat when the mobs are trying to hit you.  In both situations - attempting to harvest and adds that just jumped you, it is very likely that you have not yet entered combat when you pop tsunami.</p><p>In order to be in combat mode, you must have something targeted and have either autoattack or range attack pressed.  If you aren't doing those things, then tsunami will not work at all.  My experience is that tsunami works perfectly, with those mechanics.</p>

[Antas22]

Once again, COMPLETELY missing the mark. The first time it happened, I was trying to harvest yes. It struck me as odd that I actually got hit instead of just interrupted, but that's not the issue, just what got me paying attention. WHILE FIGHTING, IN COMBAT, ENGAGED AND ATTACKING, I'M GETTING HIT WITH TSUNAMI UP. Plain enough for comprehension now?

[x0rtrun]

Post the relevant portion of your log at the time it happened. And calm down please.

[Antas22]

My log is far too big to sift through and pluck out each individual instance, but I did manage to find one that clearly illustrates it, from soloing in Halls of Fate, bolded points of emphasis:(1190924853)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:33 2007] You engulf yourself in an everburning fire.(1190924853)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:33 2007] YOU hit a Doomwing whelp for 150 crushing damage.(1190924854)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:34 2007] You are not in a group  <b><< - FROM MY TSUNAMI MACRO</b>(1190924855)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:35 2007] a Doomwing raider tries to slash YOU, but misses.(1190924855)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:35 2007] a Doomwing whelp tries to confound YOU with Taunt, but YOU resist.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing whelp, but miss.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] YOU hit a Doomwing raider for 144 crushing damage.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing whelp, but miss.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] a Doomwing whelp tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] YOU critically hit a Doomwing whelp for 316 crushing damage.(1190924856)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:36 2007] YOUR Eagle Spin hits a Doomwing whelp for 285 crushing damage.(1190924857)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:37 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing whelp with Devastation Fist, but miss.<b>(1190924857)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:37 2007] a Doomwing raider's Eviscerate hits YOU for 2458 piercing damage.</b>(1190924857)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:37 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing whelp, but miss.(1190924857)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:37 2007] YOU hit a Doomwing raider for 374 crushing damage.(1190924857)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:37 2007] YOU critically hit a Doomwing whelp for 541 crushing damage.(119092485<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] a Doomwing raider tries to slash YOU, but YOU riposte.(119092485<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing raider, but miss.<b>(119092485<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] a Doomwing whelp hits YOU for 1253 slashing damage.</b>(1190924859)[Thu Sep 27 16:27:39 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing whelp, but miss.

[Gasheron]

<p>Well, first of all I'm pretty sure it was determined a while back that Tsunami only prevents you from getting hit by autoattacks, and not CAs, the the Eviscerate makes sense.</p><p>Also, I believe that Tsunami does not stop ripostes... so I figure that the mob hitting you was from it riposting one of your attacks. Notice that you missed right before the normal hit. That's my guess as to the explanation.</p><p>Though, I don't think there's been any confirmation or anything on the riposte thing. But, as I said, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Tsunami doesn't stop CAs.</p>

[Antas22]

<cite>Gasheron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well, first of all I'm pretty sure it was determined a while back that Tsunami only prevents you from getting hit by autoattacks, and not CAs, the the Eviscerate makes sense.</p><p>Also, I believe that Tsunami does not stop ripostes... so I figure that the mob hitting you was from it riposting one of your attacks. Notice that you missed right before the normal hit. That's my guess as to the explanation.</p><p>Though, I don't think there's been any confirmation or anything on the riposte thing. But, as I said, I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed that Tsunami doesn't stop CAs.</p></blockquote>That's one theory I've had thrown at me, and while it sounds reasonable (if unfair) enough, notice that I missed on my riposte of the other mob I was attacking, not an auto-attack on the mob that hit me (that auto-attack came shortly after the hit).Still, I'm just going to drop the issue, since I'm the only one who seems to be having it. Either the world is plotting against me (well, maybe just the GAME, but still improbable), I'm going insane, or I'm just seeing ghosts. Either way, not much good will come of it.

[x0rtrun]

Hard to know for sure unless it consistently happens or a Dev explains exactly how Tsunami works. I'd say it's likely that Tsunami only works on Auto-attacks. They gotta [Removed for Content] it some way I figure.

[Ryuugekitai]

<p>Tsunami works against CA just as well as it works against auto attack.</p><p>But it doesn't work against AoE, ranged attacks nor ripostes.</p><p>Hence maybe Evicerate is an AoE which would explain why it goes right through your Tsunami</p><p>As for the auto attack going through as well, that's a bit more fishy. Would it be possible that the Doomwing Welp is at range ?Considering your parse it doesn't make much sence but since I don't know the exact situation, it might as well be the case.I don't believe the mob riposted either, because that would have appeared on the log. (besides a riposte comes from a parry, not a miss).</p>

[Junaru]

<span class="postbody">(119092485<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing raider, but miss.<b>(119092485<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] a Doomwing whelp hits YOU for 1253 slashing damage.</b>Isn't this you swinging at the mob and it riposting it back? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think you get the message that a mob riposted back just a miss message.As for the CA. Yes I have noticed some CA's seem to get through Tsunami for whatever reason.</span>

[Morrolan V]

<p>Let's see how this works as a recipe for getting input and feedback from people:</p><p>A. Post an incomplete statement about a situation.</p><p>B. When folks post reasonable responses to your situation, trying to be helpful, respond in a snide and snarky manner and ridicule them for not reading your mind and knowing the pertinent information you did not post originally.</p><p>Sounds like a great plan.</p><p>Ironically enough, your log posting DOES reveal some interesting anamolies in Tsunami (which subsequent posters may or may not have explained).  I, however, am through discussing it with you.</p>

[Timaarit]

<cite>Junaru wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">(119092485<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing raider, but miss.<b>(119092485<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] a Doomwing whelp hits YOU for 1253 slashing damage.</b>Isn't this you swinging at the mob and it riposting it back? I'm not 100% sure but I don't think you get the message that a mob riposted back just a miss message.As for the CA. Yes I have noticed some CA's seem to get through Tsunami for whatever reason.</span></blockquote>No it isn't.The following would have been:<span class="postbody">[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] YOU try to crush a Doomwing raider, but </span><i><span class="postbody">a Doomwing raider ripostes</span></i><span class="postbody">.<b>[Thu Sep 27 16:27:38 2007] a Doomwing whelp hits YOU for 1253 slashing damage.</b></span>

[Gladiia]

<p>Now, I am just picking at straws here, but this is what I always assumed:</p><p> Riposte/Parry are contested.  Because of this I have always assumed that heroic+ mobs reduce this 100% slightly, as well as mobs that are yellow/orange to you.  I don't know this, but it makes sense to me.</p>

[EQ2Luv]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Now, I am just picking at straws here, but this is what I always assumed:</p><p> Riposte/Parry are contested.  Because of this I have always assumed that heroic+ mobs reduce this 100% slightly, as well as mobs that are yellow/orange to you.  I don't know this, but it makes sense to me.</p></blockquote>This isn't necessarily the case.  Deflection is contested but when our defensive stance says "Caster will deflect 16% of incoming attacks", that's uncontested deflection.  That's the same wording as tsunami more or less, so one could expect it to do 100% regardless of the mob con.  But I've seen things get through too, my only guess is that some mobs have ranged attacks, and that as someone already said, you have to be engaged in combat. 

[Antas22]

<cite>Morrolan V wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let's see how this works as a recipe for getting input and feedback from people:</p><p>A. Post an incomplete statement about a situation.</p><p>B. When folks post reasonable responses to your situation, trying to be helpful, respond in a snide and snarky manner and ridicule them for not reading your mind and knowing the pertinent information you did not post originally.</p><p>Sounds like a great plan.</p><p>Ironically enough, your log posting DOES reveal some interesting anamolies in Tsunami (which subsequent posters may or may not have explained).  I, however, am through discussing it with you.</p></blockquote>Actually, I was ridiculing you for your lack of reading comprehension. While the fact that you still haven't picked up on that is a source of continued amusement, let me spell it out for you:<b><span class="postbody">The next day, I was grouping with some friends and we got a few adds, I popped Tsunami, and was promptly killed by a combat art.</span><span class="postbody"> To add to it, it seems completely random, SOME of them get riposted as they should.</span></b><span class="postbody">If you're done trying to match wits and coming up short, perhaps you should read those and make some effort to understand the implications. Criticizing people for your lack of basic reading comprehension skills, sounds like a great plan.</span>

[Weizen Heimer]

What happens if you are fighting multiple mobs, the one you are on dies, and another swings at you before you select a new target and begin attacking. Does you being engaged with the encounter count, or do you actually have to have auto attack on.

[kal-l]

<p>This has been discussed in previous posts but here is the general idea.</p><p>When you cast Tsunami it raises your base avoidance to 100% vs a level 70 mob (you can hover over avoidance in-game to see this).  This does not mean that you are invincible to physical damage however.  Mobs that are higher than 70 and mobs with to-hit bonuses (heroics and up) will have a chance to hit you still.  Also, combat arts have a much higher chance to hit than an autoattack (same with a players) so these have a higher likelyhood of getting through as well.</p><p>I hope that clears it up a bit.</p>