Node stealing going too far...

[Xalandra]

<b><span style="color: #990000;">Just to make things clear...it doesn't really bother me whenever another player starts to harvest on the same node as me...but what about a certain player who constantly follows you & goes out of there way to harvest on every single node that you start to harvest on? Has anyone else experience this? There's a certain player that has been doing this to me for over a month now....he constantly follows me the whole time i am in a certain zone!!! Any thoughts?</span></b>

[Jrral]

Yep. Ask him to please stop trailing you and harvesting every node you've started on. If he continues, /petition him for disruptive play. Be sure to note in the petition that this is not just one or two nodes, it's every node you try to harvest and that you've asked him to stop and he won't.

[Off]

On top of that, take screen shots of any conversations you have with this person, or keep logs of it for reference. 

[Calthine]

/petition them for harassment.

[zaneluke]

Honestly that sucks. Make sure you have the best harvesting tools and a harvesting macro so you get two pulls to his one. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jrral]

Oh, additional note: take a "/report hisname" showing you asking him to stop and any response or non-response from him. Scroll the chat window until your question's on the very top line, /report flags the server logs for 100 lines starting from the first line visible in your chat window. That provides a record that your stalker can't dispute because it's entirely on the server and can't be edited by any player. It also increases the chances of the outsourced GMs investigating rather than round-filing it on a technicality.

[Mighty Melvor]

<p>I see you are on Venekor (PvP).  If the person following you around is of the opposing faction, honestly, I don't see what will be done about it.  Nodes are contested, and the opposing faction has every right to gather from the same node.</p><p>And to the posts above.  The guy <u>isn't</u> preventing you from harvesting.  So I don't see this as effecting gameplay.  If he somehow blocked you from harvesting the node or prevented you from zoning, you may have a case.  Sorry, but that is reality....on PvP.</p>

[Killerbee3000]

<cite>Mighty Melvor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I see you are on Venekor (PvP).  If the person following you around is of the opposing faction, honestly, I don't see what will be done about it.  Nodes are contested, and the opposing faction has every right to gather from the same node.</p><p>And to the posts above.  The guy <u>isn't</u> preventing you from harvesting.  So I don't see this as effecting gameplay.  If he somehow blocked you from harvesting the node or prevented you from zoning, you may have a case.  Sorry, but that is reality....on PvP.</p></blockquote>wrong. if he would follow him to attack him it would be the reality of pvp... but since he doesnt do that its simply a matter of harrasment.

[Kaldrin]

So, how do you tell if someone is a farmer as opposed to be just a jerk?I had a similar situation. The guy was obviously kitted out for harvesting... it would take him about four seconds to clear a node and everything was grey to him in Feerrott, but he was only hunting for Ores... and the entire zone was littered with dens because of it. I literally saw 11 in a string along the river by the ruins yesterday. I've now seen him in the zone doing the same thing for the last two weeks. Is petition going to do anything to that guy?

[Jesdyr]

<cite>Kaldrin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote> Is petition going to do anything to that guy?</blockquote>Unless he is actually a bot, Nope. There is no game rules against this. The OP is harassment and a petition should help. However running around cherry picking is not against any official game rules.

[liveja]

<cite>Manifest@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><b><span style="color: #990000;">Has anyone else experience this?</span></b></blockquote>Never once, in more than 2 years.

[Calthine]

Yeah, I've had it happen.  Not a lot, and not in a very very long time.  Yay back after launch if someone felt possessive about a harvesting area they'd do that until you got annoyed and left.  Me, I always took them fishing.<cite>Kaldrin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, how do you tell if someone is a farmer as opposed to be just a jerk?</blockquote>You mean "RMT farmer", right?  ('cause really, everyone's a farmer, one way or another, lol).  You can't.  If you're out for pharmers, the trick is to petition them for what you can, rather than plat farming.  Like disruptive gameplay and harassment <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Know your Play Nice Policies!!

[Kaldrin]

So, if he harvests so much the entire zone has probably 90% of one node type I'd say he's ruining my game...

[Calthine]

<cite>Kaldrin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, if he harvests so much the entire zone has probably 90% of one node type I'd say he's ruining my game... </blockquote>Alas, no, because they are a constantly renewing resource.  Now, if he's there for hours and hours and is harassing you, he's /petitionable.  And yeah, always /report before you petition if you can, and reference the report in your /petition.  /report saves the last 100 lines of your chat window.

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mighty Melvor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I see you are on Venekor (PvP).  If the person following you around is of the opposing faction, honestly, I don't see what will be done about it.  Nodes are contested, and the opposing faction has every right to gather from the same node.</p><p>And to the posts above.  The guy <u>isn't</u> preventing you from harvesting.  So I don't see this as effecting gameplay.  If he somehow blocked you from harvesting the node or prevented you from zoning, you may have a case.  Sorry, but that is reality....on PvP.</p></blockquote>wrong. if he would follow him to attack him it would be the reality of pvp... but since he doesnt do that its simply a matter of harrasment.</blockquote><p>/LOL</p><p>Think about what you just said....</p><ul><li>If he kills you or attempts to kill you   /kudos, that's PvP</li><li>If he harvests from a node you're on to deny an opposing faction resources   /ban him!</li></ul><p>IF he is of the opposing faction, he is doing nothing wrong in a PvP environment.IF he is of the same faction, you can petition him for harassment.</p><p>PvP is not Kill or be Killed, it's <u>P</u>layer <u>v</u>s <u>P</u>layer.  Players on PvP servers can and do whatever it takes to deny opposing factions an edge, whether it be contested mobs or contested nodes.</p>

[Bloodfa]

<p>If he's on the same side, it's harassment (probably from somebody you've ticked off on the other side).  Does he have any alts on EQ2players that you recognize?</p><p>If he's on the other side ... he's denying the enemy resources and sounds like he's doing a solid job disrupting enemy supply lines.  I've had it done and done it.  Depends on the people.  The funniest one I recall was a level 9 guy over in Zek when I was in the 40's, back when mobs would just turn on the next thing available.  Little bugger would sprint past a group of heroics, die at my feet and sorta-kinda-gank me by proxy.  Irritating, but actually pretty funny. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Magic]

<p>If it were on a PvE server, I'd say that they were trying to make you angry enough to duel them.  If you have your option enabled that makes you automatically decline duels, you wouldn't know that was the case.  I'd try harvesting in another zone of the same tier or switch to a different alt to harvest until this person logs off.</p><p>But why would a person do such a thing to the same person every day?  Are they that lonely?  Was it something that you did once to this player, or to one of their alts or friends, intentionally or not?  Some people tend to go everboard with revenge - slapping them once gets you slapped a thousand times in return.  I've seen people get crazy for sharing a node with them.  To me it was sharing but to them it was a total violation of their right to have the zone all to themselves, which is not possible to have the entire zone to yourself in any MMO.  This person might see every player character as their enemy.</p><p>If they blame you for something that you did, maybe the solution is simple.  Ask them what you did wrong, and then apologize sincerely for it.  This may end the problem once and for all.  If they want money or an item in return for your freedom, then don't give in.  They will only return for more later.</p><p>Maybe try small talk at each node, like how nice to have a partner to make the days less lonely, or are you looking forward to the haunted house, or what gear are you looking to get next, and so forth.  Have these questions programmed into macros so that you aren't typing while harvesting.  If they reply to your questions, they can't harvest as effectively.</p><p> Those are all just theories.  Do whatever you think is best.</p>

[Sunlei]

omg you're on a pvp server, kill him! if he's the wrong level train him to death or call your guildies to kill him!

[Jrral]

<cite>Kaldrin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, how do you tell if someone is a farmer as opposed to be just a jerk?</blockquote>Does it matter? To me it's either disruptive/harrassment or it's not, and why they're doing it is Not My Problem.

[zaneluke]

Care bares should not be able to have an opinion on stuff that happens on a pvp server.different rules.

[Xanrn]

Nice you can't even spell carebear right.

[Xalandra]

<b><span style="color: #990000;">This guy is not on the opposing side....he follows me around for hours on end only harvesting on the nodes i harvest on even though there are plenty of other same nodes next to eachother. Also...he is constantly sending me group invites..which i decline everytime..but it doesn't phase him. I have sent him tells asking him to stop, but he never speaks at all...I suspected he put me on his friends list since he knew my every move like what zones i'm in....but i put my toon under anonymous...atleast he won't know where i zone in at. This is the 1st time i have experienced this in the 2 yrs that i have been playing. I have had harvesters to harvest on the same nodes as me which never bothered me, but this guy has taken it to extreme. I'm starting to believe this guy never sleeps lol.</span></b>

[DngrMou]

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice you can't even spell carebear right.</blockquote>Few people realize you have to take a spelling test, before being admitted on to PvP servers.  If you pass the test, you're denied entry.  /nod

[Bloodfa]

<cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice you can't even spell carebear right.</blockquote>Few people realize you have to take a spelling test, before being admitted on to PvP servers.  If you pass the test, you're denied entry.  /nod</blockquote>Not true.  In fact, there are more than a few PvP'ers out there that are fairly literate; we even have a secret handshake and our own non-faction based guild house.  Our way of keeping it private, however, requires that one actually be able to read.  Helps keep out the riff-raff. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[zaneluke]

<cite>Xanrn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice you can't even spell carebear right.</blockquote>Dern it! I always muck it up, yuk yuk yuk. I be getting gone know back on down to de unervercity to re enrole in engish.Thank you for pointing out my spelling error, i promise i be better master. honest now!

[EQTTEQ]

<cite>Manifest@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><b><span style="color: #990000;">This guy is not on the opposing side....he follows me around for hours on end only harvesting on the nodes i harvest on even though there are plenty of other same nodes next to eachother. Also...he is constantly sending me group invites..which i decline everytime..but it doesn't phase him. I have sent him tells asking him to stop, but he never speaks at all...I suspected he put me on his friends list since he knew my every move like what zones i'm in....but i put my toon under anonymous...atleast he won't know where i zone in at. This is the 1st time i have experienced this in the 2 yrs that i have been playing. I have had harvesters to harvest on the same nodes as me which never bothered me, but this guy has taken it to extreme. I'm starting to believe this guy never sleeps lol.</span></b></blockquote>What you need is a Restrai-Gnome order... I think you can get them in Baubleshire

[Graywindnz]

I had a similar experience a while back this monk would invite me then say nothing would follow me around and attack what I would attack and harvest what I did, I guessed it was some sort of bot program. And just the other day I got invited to a group at least 10 times and I declined each time as no communication was made. I don’t like to group with random’s without at least having 1 tell sent. So I left the invite window open and ignored him till I got to a different zone.If your having trouble with this guy, and he’s lower lvl or equal to you , train to a harder part of the zone and get him killed a few times, he might go away then… If he dies its not your fault he followed you… <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[janmystique]

<p>I find it intrusive if someone is practically standing on my character getting the nodes I got to first...and then on to the next...and the next. Go find your own pixel to stand on I say - and your own node! </p><p>How would we feel if someone came and stole our fight? Why can't nodes be locked once a person has started gathering from them in the same way we lock fights? It causes a lot of ill feeling to have someone dogging your footsteps with the obvious intention of getting what you are getting. A lot of stuff is "lawful" but a lot of stuff is, none-the-less offensive and provocative.</p>

[Hikinami]

It wouldnt be a problem if everything was harvested at once.

[Spyderbite]

I'd say hold off on the /petition or /report until you've spoken to this person. If they don't respond, then by all means go ahead with the harassment claim.The reason I say don't be trigger happy is this. My gf started playing EQ2 about a month ago. I gave her little instruction on etiquette and just sent her off to harvest. A few nights later she turns around and goes "what's a petition?" I scrolled through her dialogue and realize that she had been chastised by a guy who she was unintentionally stealing nodes from. She was under the impression that she could pull 3 times from a node and so could somebody else. I sent a /tell to the gent and explained her innocent ignorance and defused the situation. But, had it been somebody who simply /reported /petitioned on her.. she'd be banned and none the wiser as to why.Needless to say.. I explained that she needs to be respectful of others harvesting in the same immediate area.On the same note.. I've been /reported a couple of times in the past because I tend to burn through a zone two or three times like a locust before heading back to town to stock the broker and/or my bank box. Obviously it wasn't warranted and no action was taken. Had there been.. I would have been really, really p/o'd that I'd been banned for being efficient. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[JohnDoe058]

<p>He doesn't really love you, he just wants you for your body.</p>

[StormCinder]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If he's on the other side ... he's denying the enemy resources and sounds like he's doing a solid job disrupting enemy supply lines.  </p></blockquote><p>As a die-hard RPer, I've always been on the same (wrong) side of this debate.  As opposed to PvP, it's broached as "RPing the Evil toon."  And while truly RPing the Evil toon would mandate (obviously IMO) evil behaviour, to include taking advantage (ie scamming) "Good" toons out of cash...heck...any money you take from the dastardly do-gooders and put to work for the evil faction is proper RP, right?</p><p>Well, ask any dev and they'll tell you it's not proper.  Doing bad things in the name of  RP has been repeatedly debated, and the devs (of not just this game, but others as well) always come down on the side of "play nice."  RPing has it's limits, in the name of giving all players a "welcoming" play environment.  And...bottom line...it's <i><b>their</b></i> game.  Or, as we used to say: "Dem's da rules."</p><p>So, griefing/harassing is left to the perception of the devs and CSRs.   And I'm pretty sure the actions described by the OP would be considered disruption by GMs.</p><p>SC</p><p>BTW, re: the OP, I think what he/she describes is different than someone coming in and harvesting all the ore nodes.  Cherry picking is not harassment or zone disruption.  Following someone around as described by the OP and seemingly focusing on an individual player and would justify a /report or /petition for harassment.</p>

[Calthine]

Yeah, what the OP described is not PvP or RP activity, IMO.  It's someone being an [Removed for Content].

[Vinh]

I just wish they could make nodes lockable like encounters. It's always disruptive and rude. There's a million nodes out there! Go find your own. When people [Removed for Content] me off enough, I just go to a different zone or area. But it's stupid and I shouldn't have to if I was there first.

[Devilsbane]

<cite>Vinh@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><b><i>I just wish they could make nodes lockable like encounters.</i></b> It's always disruptive and rude.There's a million nodes out there! Go find your own. When people [Removed for Content] me off enough, I just go to a different zone or area. But it's stupid and I shouldn't have to if I was there first.</blockquote>Given that SOE purchase Vanguard, in which nodes are locked (You have established ownership!). The locking of nodes does have more merit then it did when EQ2 was released. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[erin]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>The reason I say don't be trigger happy is this. My gf started playing EQ2 about a month ago. I gave her little instruction on etiquette and just sent her off to harvest. A few nights later she turns around and goes "what's a petition?" I scrolled through her dialogue and realize that she had been chastised by a guy who she was unintentionally stealing nodes from. She was under the impression that she could pull 3 times from a node and so could somebody else. I sent a /tell to the gent and explained her innocent ignorance and defused the situation. But, had it been somebody who simply /reported /petitioned on her.. she'd be banned and none the wiser as to why.</blockquote>She would not have been banned.  She wasn't breaking any game rules, simply rules of etiquette, as in player rules.  The GMs would not enforce a rule that doesn't exist in their world.As far as the OP:  I've had this happen.  I politely asked the individual to stop.  They didn't.  So I turned it around and followed HIM around and harvested his nodes.  He got very upset and started yelling at me <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I said something like "yeah its annoying huh?"  And the guy left.  That was the end of it.What you are experiencing isn't PvP.  Its harassment, pure and simple.  Give him one chance, then petition him.

[janmystique]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Give him one chance, then petition him.</p></blockquote>Just wondering what can be achieved by petitioning since node "stealing" is not against any written rule? I did report someone once over this issue but for calling me a "dozy, illiterate cow" - not for the node "stealing"! Dozy? Maybe! Illiterate? Well, I pride myself on not being! A cow? Certainly not! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Calthine]

Node stealing is not against any rules.  Harassing a player is.

[NANEEJE]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Node stealing is not against any rules.  Harassing a player is.</blockquote>I dont get it... if he steals your nodes... then just run up to a node, as you see his hand start "gathering" run away, after he takes all 3 whacks at it, you will be in new node land by then... just a thought.

[Calthine]

*shrug*  like I said earlier, back in the way early days when someone was doing that to me I'd go fishing.  Worked every time.