Enlighten Me

[Dragonz]

<p>have I screwd up my aa choices and if so what would you recomend</p><p>background  small 5 acc  lvl 42 guild all our mains mastered and semi fabled. don't raid.</p><p>my pala is old school 1st made when game came out,  so atm 68 and 67 aa points. 1st guild I was in had a surfiet of tanks and few healers so made a templar who's my main</p><p>waiting for new expansion, we decided to lvl alts so this is were I need advice</p><p>group I norm play with at,  myself 67 dirge,66 troub. 70 wiz,  fury, and if we need a 6th, random player who's lfg</p><p>gear is pretty decent and most ca/spells are master, if not adepts 3</p><p>I've done oob sucessfully and prob try other harder zones as we can.</p><p>now crux of matter is  mainly on crusader side,  so far I have done str line to end, and wis to 3rd .</p><p>as a small group tank with no intentions of raiding is this a good set up, or can any of u suggest better use of resources.</p><p>thnxs for any constructive input</p>

[Demoley]

first off drop wis line, the whole line is trash, your best spec for ae aggro and single target is crits/spell crits and ae auto attack,so basicly i would suggest go agi/sta/int lines, 4/4/8 in each of them, then from thier proceed to eof aa's, and i would take hero/wrath line no question, with your group set up dirge will alow to hit the mobs more frequently with boon, so wis line is trash.

[Rast]

<p>I have to agree with Virutis on this one.  It is the spec I use and I've tanked OoB, MMCat, CoV with far less optimal groups than you look to have.</p><p>The one thing I would suggest is that you find as many instances as you can and run them, whether they are EoF or KoS to get your AAs, you will see a marked improvement as your AAs go up.</p>

[Prrasha]

I third the motion.  I'm one of the few who has kept the Wisdom line, but in a group that always has two bards, it's not worth it.You've got haste from the troub (sometimes, at least) as well as gonzo aggro control skills from either of the bards, and a great Amends target in the wizard,  so the STR line is crap in your case, as well.That group is short on DPS (bards are great characters, but two of them in a five-man group is more DPS-limiting than DPS-building), so get all of it you can through AAs.  Though I hate advocating the party line on principle <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , I don't think anything but INT/STA/AGI 4/4/8 is worth it for you.If your Fury wants to carry more of the DPS load, you could go for the full STA line for a more defensive build and give up the AGI stuff, but that's likely the second-best choice. You said you had no questions on the paladin-AA page, so I assume that means you're planning on full Wraths/Hero?

[Dragonz]

<p>1st thnxs for replys <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> I see logic and will respec when I log <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>yes hero/wraths seems a no brainer so got hero and working on wrath</p><p>erm one [I cannot control my vocabulary] up and i'm soo gonna get it, my friend is swashy( lvl66) not troub, got phone call from her after she read post. got ice on ear <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> seeing i helped lvl from start,</p><p>won't go into conv, toooo painful <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>we going to try acad and sos etc next few days, aa for most of not all of us, as wiz and fury lvled more in eof than kos <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>update, repecced as advised , and wow pumping out big time, no agro issues easier better pulls and holding my own in acad  sos oob. cov was tuff but still completed aa's ticking along nicely </p><p>dinged 69 and 70 aa's just in couple hrs </p><p>thnxs for advice really helpful </p>

[Buzzing]

in straight groups I will agree 448 agi sta int is the way to go =D

[Mgunner]

<p>There should be no difference in AA's for solo, group, or the raiding pally.  4/4/8 Agi, Sta, and Int.  Makes the decisions easy.</p>

[xandez]

<p>what makes the AGI line better than STR line?</p><p>why not 4-4-8 INT, STA & STR ?</p><p>++Xan</p>

[Demoley]

<cite>xandez wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>what makes the AGI line better than STR line?</p><p>why not 4-4-8 INT, STA & STR ?</p><p>++Xan</p></blockquote>str line adds haste, right now you can usually get enough haste from dirge/illisionist so no need for str line, now agi line is a 40% ae auto attack, how can you not go wrong with that, take for example my main 2 hander is a 6 second delay, normal group set up i have it hasted down to 3 seconds, so why do i need more, i'll just be going above the cap and into the demisioning returns and it'd be pointless, so once again, trample > str line

[K'aldar]

Dirges don't give haste btw except in Cacophany of Blades, a temp buff. 

[Demoley]

lol i know that but with a dirge with set bonus its up quite a bit, its not that big of a deal for when its not up

[K'aldar]

Fair enough. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[xandez]

<cite>Virutis@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>xandez wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>what makes the AGI line better than STR line?</p><p>why not 4-4-8 INT, STA & STR ?</p><p>++Xan</p></blockquote>str line adds haste, right now you can usually get enough haste from dirge/illisionist so no need for str line, now agi line is a 40% ae auto attack, how can you not go wrong with that, take for example my main 2 hander is a 6 second delay, normal group set up i have it hasted down to 3 seconds, so why do i need more, i'll just be going above the cap and into the demisioning returns and it'd be pointless, so once again, trample > str line</blockquote>ok, so solo & grouping w/o haste giver, the STR line is ok also. And the 40% AoE attack is worthless if fighting only 1 mob... hmm... does the haste affect to the proc % of the weapons? i think not, so more haste = more procs also, or im i way off here?meh... trample even sounds cool thou <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Recently created a paladin @44 atm, have soon STA and INT lines 4-4-8 (done EoF wrath almost), just wondering which way im gonna go... thx for the answer Virutis, it cleared some things.Think im gonna try both to see which is better for my playstyle.++Xan

[Dragonz]

<p>thought i'd update on findings from respect as virutis's advice</p><p>erm only one comment , awesome</p><p>my dps has improved significantly , no degrading on holding agro , if anything lot better</p><p>pulling adds off better</p><p>solo  better and when i can find a decent wep hope to improve  further esp when i hit 70 have some nice bling to add, and adorments etc</p><p>my guildie say i'm improved a good 50 % on tanking  and they not the sort to bs me, lol quite the opposite</p><p>we breeze thro cov.oob acad and cmm,  and when i hit 70 re- gear and we're going to give unrest a bash, something i'd have never contemplated a week ago</p><p> all in all i'm thrilled with advice</p><p>thnxs agian>>>>> chuffed dorf paladin</p>

[Rast]

of course, if the reviews are right, pretty soon we'll be able to go STR/AGI/STA/INT 4.4.8 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and still have 4 points left over <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tharinor Degaulle]

<cite>Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>of course, if the reviews are right, pretty soon we'll be able to go STR/AGI/STA/INT 4.4.8 <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> and still have 4 points left over <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Will have to see what happens in RoK but I think it might be more beneficial as a MT or OT to throw 10 points into STA to increase your HP and grab Divine Aura, then throw the rest into AGI for the bottom tier ability or STR.</p><p>Paladin tree is more of a no brainer...max out Hero and Wrath lines, max out Call to Duty and Righteous Demonstration proc upgrades, then throw the rest wherever...maybe into single target heal, ward, celestial touch, etc., maybe upgrade castigate, maybe pick up raid armament.</p><p>I posted a thread for discussing new AA setups in EQ2Flames Paladin forums.</p>

[Rast]

Yah, was thinking about the 20 points into the STA/AGI lines (which would let you run 4/4/8/8/2 in both with 4/4/8 in int) and there is some potential in that I think, but running out str to get that hate gain would be nice too, as that would make your dps just that much more...  hate generating.

[Drakehea]

If your dps is good the hate gain from str is a waste of points.I've gone wraith and heal is eof line and  4 8 8 2 2 in str and 4 4 8 8 in int and i do not miss  Divine Aura and  found im only being hit a bit harder with not having the hero line for the block. I have no trouble tanking for groups Off Tanking for raids or pvp and the healers tell me that im not any harder to keep alive. But with the 40 more AA point we are getting im thinking of dropping the last 4 points in str and the 8 in heal crit  trying agi and getting the hero line back. But as all is said and done the best setup if the one your find is best for your style of play.