Mystic/Defiler...Beastlord discusion

[JasonArgile]

<p>i dont think many of you have read it yet but there is a discussion going on about the old Beastlord class from EQ1 and about its not making it into EQ2... much of this discussion hinges on ways that it might be brought in to EQ2... during the thread some one said that a Defiler when properly speced out was as close as any one could get to being a beastlord in EQ2... now there are Alot of things wrong with that but it got another discussion started on How to bring in the beastlords as a option ....</p><p>AA lines... i thought i would pop over to the mystic class discussion and find out what you all thought about it...</p><p>how would many of you feel about another AA line (the next time AA lines get added) that would give you.</p><p>1 a choice of new pet skins... instead of GhostDog... </p><p>2 an increase in DPS from your pet... an increase in Hit points from your pet and over all a DPS increase (putting you about say just under a monks)... at a real Cost of Healing power (leaving you just a little Better at healing than a pally or monk)...  when Speced for this New Beastlord AAline... you and your pet should be able to Solo very well, you should Be able to fill Group DPS slots...</p><p> Now before the yelling .... NO this would not be the Only options in the New AA lines for your class there should be options to continue down the main Healers Pathway... this would only be ONE possible Option for you to take as a Defiler.</p><p>any way i wanted to see what the Defiler community had to say. </p>

[RustyB]

<p>Well first off.  I'm not sure who said we Defilers when AA spec'd properly are as close to Beastlords as you can get, when I'm pretty sure it's the complete opposite.  With the changes to the Mystic dog  they now have a more powerful pet.  They can output more dps then us.</p><p>I would rather they just add a new class  ie.  Beastlord   instead of messing with my class.</p><p>as it stands right now  I solo just fine.  no I don't kill stuff right fast, but I wouldn't say I kill stuff right slow either.</p>

[Besual]

I'm not a fan of attaching beastlord crap to the defiler class.

[SnAke19]

<span class="postbody">"with the changes to the Mystic dog  they now have a more powerful pet" - wrong mystic pet never got changed (it should become a one down instead a tripple down@update notes but never does)speaking for raiding mystic side i would say there are only few of us who would be interested in such a linei don´t know the exact word order he used but some devs opinion to pet line looking on the fact that pet dies so often in raids that it is nearly useless was that petline only thought to help for soloing ...</span>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>I can appreciate it...but my RP loving self really wants Beastlord to be a druid or even a Rangerish class.   I say this having a 70 Defiler myself, so not just trolling your forum trying to mess with you.   At this point, I wouldn't call a Shaman a beastlord at all - beefed up dog or no.</p><p>Defilers already have a ton of really awesome stuff - let a class that needs it be the Beastlord, I say <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[RustyB]

<cite>SnAke1983 wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">"with the changes to the Mystic dog  they now have a more powerful pet" - wrong mystic pet never got changed (it should become a one down instead a tripple down@update notes but never does)speaking for raiding mystic side i would say there are only few of us who would be interested in such a linei don´t know the exact word order he used but some devs opinion to pet line looking on the fact that pet dies so often in raids that it is nearly useless was that petline only thought to help for soloing ...</span></blockquote><p>posted on test notes yesterday:</p><p><b>ACHIEVEMENTS</b></p><ul><li>MysticWeapon Mastery should now improve the dps, max health, attributes and crushing skill of the shaman pet.</li></ul><p>looks like they're going to fix this realy soon, but anyways back to the subject at hand.</p><p>From what I remember of the Beastlord class from EQ   and from what I've recently read about them... They were a highly overpowered class  when it came to soloin', but really had very little place in  raids.  (haha  sounds alot like Brawlers  [Removed for Content])</p><p>to think that SoE is going to create the class to be just like it was in EQ is honestly "Dreaming in full colour"</p><p>I can see it now...  SoE creates the new class.  5000 people in one day create them.  The next day  EQ2 forums is flooded with "YOU RUINED BEASTLORDS" threads..</p><p>Honestly dude  keep wishing on your class, but don't think for a second you're going to get a reincarnated version of the EQ Beastlords.  You're going to get a HIGHLY tweaked version that'll be no better than any other class in this game.</p>

[Jaslath]

<cite>Yerni@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SnAke1983 wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">"with the changes to the Mystic dog  they now have a more powerful pet" - wrong mystic pet never got changed (it should become a one down instead a tripple down@update notes but never does)speaking for raiding mystic side i would say there are only few of us who would be interested in such a linei don´t know the exact word order he used but some devs opinion to pet line looking on the fact that pet dies so often in raids that it is nearly useless was that petline only thought to help for soloing ...</span></blockquote>From what I remember of the Beastlord class from EQ   and from what I've recently read about them... <b>They were a highly overpowered class  when it came to soloin', but really had very little place in  raids.</b>  (haha  sounds alot like Brawlers  [Removed for Content])</blockquote>Lol...if Beastlords were overpowered then what in the hell were Necros?  Grossly overpowered?  But I digress.   As much as I would love to see Beastlords in this game there really is no need for another Dps/Buff (Debuff) class. 

[JasonArgile]

<cite>Yerni@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SnAke1983 wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">"with the changes to the Mystic dog  they now have a more powerful pet" - wrong mystic pet never got changed (it should become a one down instead a tripple down@update notes but never does)speaking for raiding mystic side i would say there are only few of us who would be interested in such a linei don´t know the exact word order he used but some devs opinion to pet line looking on the fact that pet dies so often in raids that it is nearly useless was that petline only thought to help for soloing ...</span></blockquote><p>posted on test notes yesterday:</p><p><b>ACHIEVEMENTS</b></p><ul><li>MysticWeapon Mastery should now improve the dps, max health, attributes and crushing skill of the shaman pet.</li></ul><p>looks like they're going to fix this realy soon, but anyways back to the subject at hand.</p><p>From what I remember of the Beastlord class from EQ   and from what I've recently read about them... They were a highly overpowered class  when it came to soloin', but really had very little place in  raids.  (haha  sounds alot like Brawlers  [Removed for Content])</p><p>to think that SoE is going to create the class to be just like it was in EQ is honestly "Dreaming in full colour"</p><p>I can see it now...  SoE creates the new class.  5000 people in one day create them.  The next day  EQ2 forums is flooded with "YOU RUINED BEASTLORDS" threads..</p><p>Honestly dude  keep wishing on your class, but don't think for a second you're going to get a reincarnated version of the EQ Beastlords.  You're going to get a HIGHLY tweaked version that'll be no better than any other class in this game.</p></blockquote><p>this a Long running disscusion for me on the forum... i have accepted that there is NO chance of Beastlords Beeing what they were start of EQ.... however for those of you Not still playing eq... even in eq 1 Beastlord Hate is such that after lv 55-60 or so they cant even solo very well any more.... they get little value in raids... and every new Race that has come out can be any class BUT the beastlord..... </p><p>as for wanting the Beastlord in eq2... i could care less about its !!!Power!!! ive never understood that term any way. what i loved about the beastlord was mostly an RP aspect... the lone hunter ... the wild survivor.... and haveing this Cute little puppy that Grew up with me... was attached to me... shared my stats and fought by my side.... the current Pet class's and abilitys are all basicly Mobile DoT's with no personality.... another thing i loved about playing a Beastlord was the Options it gave... i could at any time chose to jump in the the fight and fight side by side with my pet Monk style and kick some Butt and do just as much good in the fight as i could sitting back and Nukeing from a distance while my pet tanked..... eather way you did about as well on solo mobs or in groups.... in groups you never Had good enough heals to really be a Main healer ... but your healing skills could Save a group if it was in trouble... and we did Decent dps together with our pets.... just about as good as a monk on our own... no FD or any thing though...</p><p>i think The reputation for beeing over beastlords beeing "overpowered" came from the PvP servers wich at the time were compleatly dominated By rangers.... they sneak up on some one and kill them before they knew they were Beeing attacked..... the Other pet class's like necro or mage... would be killed by the ranger before the pet ran farenough to start Hitting the ranger in the first place..... but with beastlords haveing tanking style Buffs and semi Monk like avoidence.... the ranger couldnt kill them that fast....thus they began screaming overpowered... i mean ranger are supost to be pvp kings right why cant we kill this annoying thing.... after a month or so they realized if they killed our Pet.... they could kill us easy as Half our dmg output was dependent on them</p><p>and the screaming stoped..... untill some Bright people playing beastlords and haveing a hard time getting groups at low lvs decided to Group all there Beastlords together in one group..... haveing done that my self at the time i have to say.... ya we were able to take on stuff WAY above our Lv and destroy it.... we steamrolled orange and red mobs... something unheard of in EQ1.... and did it with ease... cause all our buffs and power regen and st incres's Stacked... and when one pet died another was there to take over instantly... while the guy with the dead pet would recast it.... it was basicly a two groups... one with High dmg tanks and one with Healers and they were merged in to one group.... it was nearly a mini Raid.... they nerfed that...but the screaming never stoped...</p>

[tikasa]

 Defilers are already the best healers in the game, WHY would we want that destroyed?   If they give us any new AA's I do not want them to be gimped like you are proposing.