Faction with Coalition of Tradesfolke in Freeport

[badtupram]

Hi all,Ok, here's the deal...I want the Forge Vest.  Where do I go to build faction?Who do I talk to?Is it the guy who's telling me lvl11 to got to TS to gather 50 things?  Cause frankly I don't want thexp gain from discovery.I only have a faction of indifferent right now to Freeport(+5000)....my elf is from Neriak.How many quest or wriits will i need to do to gain the 20,000 needed?  Estimates are fine btw I just appreciate the help.Thanks

[SnoesieQ]

<p>You do any TS writs in Freeport, for 150 standing at least for the rush orders. Regardless of TS level, you still get the same faction standing, just the status points vary.</p><p>The only seller of faction items are however in the West Freeport instance.</p>

[Saev]

<cite>SnoesieQ wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You do any TS writs in Freeport, for 150 standing at least for the rush orders. Regardless of TS level, you still get the same faction standing, just the status points vary.</p><p>The only seller of faction items are however in the West Freeport instance.</p></blockquote><p>Yep, you read that right - 150 per TS writ. So for your Vest requirement of 20,000 that's 134 writs, at about 10 minutes each (writ time plus a bit), thats just over 22 hours of tradeskilling, not including any harvesting time. I'm not saying that should change by the way, just letting you know what you need to do. If you are planning on raising a low level TSer anyway, then no problem. </p>

[Rijacki]

<cite>badtupram wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only have a faction of indifferent right now to Freeport(+5000)....my elf is from Neriak.</blockquote>Are you a citizen of Freeport or Neriak?  If you are a citizen of Neriak, you could do a thousand writs for Freeport and you won't get a lick of faction with their Coalition.If you are a citizen of Neriak, you'll need to betray and gain citizenship in Freeport first (it's not as bad as a full betrayal, though).

[Calthine]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>If you are a citizen of Neriak, you'll need to betray and gain citizenship in Freeport first (it's not as bad as a full betrayal, though).</blockquote>Yeah, I wanted to say do not betray - you can just go to freeport and apply for citizenship, you can skip the Exile stuff.

[Looker1010]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>badtupram wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only have a faction of indifferent right now to Freeport(+5000)....my elf is from Neriak.</blockquote>Are you a citizen of Freeport or Neriak?  If you are a citizen of Neriak, you could do a thousand writs for Freeport and you won't get a lick of faction with their Coalition.If you are a citizen of Neriak, you'll need to betray and gain citizenship in Freeport first (it's not as bad as a full betrayal, though).</blockquote><p>You can't betray same faction to same faction. You merely do a change of citizenship quest or two for the city you want to move to.</p><p>Also, in case you don't want to do rush orders, regular writs give 100 faction each if you're doing writs for the city where you are a citizen.</p>

[Rijacki]

<cite>Looker1010 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>badtupram wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only have a faction of indifferent right now to Freeport(+5000)....my elf is from Neriak.</blockquote>Are you a citizen of Freeport or Neriak?  If you are a citizen of Neriak, you could do a thousand writs for Freeport and you won't get a lick of faction with their Coalition.If you are a citizen of Neriak, you'll need to betray and gain citizenship in Freeport first (it's not as bad as a full betrayal, though).</blockquote><p>You can't betray same faction to same faction. You merely do a change of citizenship quest or two for the city you want to move to.</p><p>Also, in case you don't want to do rush orders, regular writs give 100 faction each if you're doing writs for the city where you are a citizen.</p></blockquote>Bah, I don't know the exact process of going to the same faction but I do know you have to change your citizenship and thought it was related from everything said about it (just heaps easier than changing faction, too, and without the relinquishing of masters, adepts, and stuff)

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Looker1010 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>badtupram wrote:</cite><blockquote>I only have a faction of indifferent right now to Freeport(+5000)....my elf is from Neriak.</blockquote>Are you a citizen of Freeport or Neriak?  If you are a citizen of Neriak, you could do a thousand writs for Freeport and you won't get a lick of faction with their Coalition.If you are a citizen of Neriak, you'll need to betray and gain citizenship in Freeport first (it's not as bad as a full betrayal, though).</blockquote><p><b>You can't betray same faction to same faction. You merely do a change of citizenship quest or two for the city you want to move to.</b></p><p>Also, in case you don't want to do rush orders, regular writs give 100 faction each if you're doing writs for the city where you are a citizen.</p></blockquote>Bah, I don't know the exact process of going to the same faction but I do know you have to change your citizenship and thought it was related from everything said about it (just heaps easier than changing faction, too, and without the relinquishing of masters, adepts, and stuff)</blockquote><p>It is a Betrayal Quest .. of sorts.   It's even categorized under the Betrayal Quests. </p><p>I call them: "Quasi-Betrayals".  </p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<p>Oh .. and if you don't want to do even the quasi betrayal .. do a /feedback in game to have them added to Neriak & Kelethin. </p><p>The Forge outfit is available in both Qeynos and Freeport so .. LOGICALLY .. ya would think someone *pokes Domino* would add the Forge set to the other factions.  </p><p>... eventually ... </p>

[Domino]

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh .. and if you don't want to do even the quasi betrayal .. do a /feedback in game to have them added to Neriak & Kelethin. </p><p>The Forge outfit is available in both Qeynos and Freeport so .. LOGICALLY .. ya would think someone *pokes Domino* would add the Forge set to the other factions.  </p><p>... eventually ... </p></blockquote>Ow, damnit!  No poking the halflings!  I already did that, it should be on sale on live servers now ... in Neriak, it's called "Dark Bargainers ceremonial smithing vest" and matching pants.  /grumbles and rubs the sore spots

[NiamiDenMother]

Nonono, Domino, you have to give the proper halfling response to being poked by a bigun!  {does the halfling anklebiter routine on Kaisha's ankles}  Like that, see?  Now, go ahead, try the other ankle.{ducks and runs}

[Tokam]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Ow, damnit!  No poking the halflings!  I already did that, it should be on sale on live servers now ... in Neriak, it's called "Dark Bargainers ceremonial smithing vest" and matching pants.  /grumbles and rubs the sore spots</blockquote>Oh im sorry but it is far too late for that, I have been doing a lot more than just poking them Domino.Would you like to see where I have been putting my fingers?

[Rijacki]

<cite>Tokamak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Ow, damnit!  No poking the halflings!  I already did that, it should be on sale on live servers now ... in Neriak, it's called "Dark Bargainers ceremonial smithing vest" and matching pants.  /grumbles and rubs the sore spots</blockquote>Oh im sorry but it is far too late for that, I have been doing a lot more than just poking them Domino.Would you like to see where I have been putting my fingers?</blockquote>*blink**takes off her glasses and stumbles blindly about*

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh .. and if you don't want to do even the quasi betrayal .. do a /feedback in game to have them added to Neriak & Kelethin. </p><p>The Forge outfit is available in both Qeynos and Freeport so .. LOGICALLY .. ya would think someone *pokes Domino* would add the Forge set to the other factions.  </p><p>... eventually ... </p></blockquote>Ow, damnit!  No poking the halflings!  I already did that, it should be on sale on live servers now ... in Neriak, it's called "Dark Bargainers ceremonial smithing vest" and matching pants.  /grumbles and rubs the sore spots</blockquote><p>hah!  'twas a light *poke*.    </p><p>Yeah, just checked.  The Forge Outfit is now at both Neriak & Kelethin.  Only the Chest & Leg slots.  No Glove or Boots .. but the Boot isn't needed on this version apparently.  I'll be sending Niami 2 more reference pixs for the Fashion section of eq2traders soon.   Any word on when/if the 2 new factions will be getting their own "unique" 3rd tier clothing item?  And, when Qeynos will get a new "unique" one?  lol .. </p><p>oh and Niami .. I'm a very short Wood Elf .. so you would have to be crawling around on the floor to nibble on my ankles .. *raises an eyebrow*</p>

[badtupram]

Thanks everyone for your response to the thread and advice.  As always, very nice.Well I found the "Dark Bargainers ceremonial smithing vest" in Neriak. Thank you Domino.I signed up for the first faction quest and I must admit...deleted the quest right away.100 points of status with the Dark Bargainers for what appeared to be, 10 I think, pristine elm buklers.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />My goodness. lol  I mean if it had been just one that would have beem fine but 10.  Actually it may have been 20. Can't remember for sure.My immediate thought was "Man, the Dark Bargainers really are dark." lolI've heard that the betrayal quest to gain faction with Qeynos or Freeport can be brutal but I think everyone that shares that opinion should meet the Dark Bargainers.  Then they may see what brutal is all about. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Anyway, looks like i'll leave the smithing vest with the the Dark Bargainers and move on.Once again, thanks for all your help.

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>badtupram wrote:</cite><blockquote>*snipped* Anyway, looks like i'll leave the smithing vest with the the Dark Bargainers and move on.</blockquote><p>LOL.   It isn't just the Dark Bargainers.  All the Tradeskill Writs are the same regardless of Faction. </p><p>And, it was probably 12 bucklers for 100 faction.  Non Rush Writs = 12 items.  Rush Writs = 6 items. </p>

[Kordran]

<p>Writs are worthwhile for those tradeskill classes which have to grind anyway (weaponsmith, armorer, etc.) For those who live on easy street (sage, alchemist, etc.) there's really no need to bother with them because they just fly through on pristines and vitality.</p><p>I really do wish there would be something a bit more creative than make "x" of these and "y" of those. But I guess anything that involved leaving the tradeskill instance would break that invisible wall between the tradeskill and adventuring spheres. You know, something like "forge a pristine imbued [insert rare] [insert appropriate weapon for your class] and infuse it with the blood of 20 goblins in the Enchanted Lands" and get a hefty chunk of faction (I'm talking thousands of points) and gold as a reward. So we're left with the mindless, brain-numbing experience we have now.</p><p>Alas, it seems to be the tradition with all MMOGs that crafting must be tedious as hell as a way to "balance" the utility of it. It would be really nice if the folks at EQ2 could start thinking outside this box. I think they're closer to the mark than any other game out there, but they still have a long way to go in my not-so-humble opinion.</p>

[Finnwizz]

<cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Writs are worthwhile for those tradeskill classes which have to grind anyway (weaponsmith, armorer, etc.) <span style="font-size: small;color: #cc0033;">For those who live on easy street (sage, alchemist, etc.) there's really no need to bother with them because they just fly through on pristines and vitality.</span></p><p>I really do wish there would be something a bit more creative than make "x" of these and "y" of those. But I guess anything that involved leaving the tradeskill instance would break that invisible wall between the tradeskill and adventuring spheres. You know, something like "forge a pristine imbued [insert rare] [insert appropriate weapon for your class] and infuse it with the blood of 20 goblins in the Enchanted Lands" and get a hefty chunk of faction (I'm talking thousands of points) and gold as a reward. So we're left with the mindless, brain-numbing experience we have now.</p><p>Alas, it seems to be the tradition with all MMOGs that crafting must be tedious as hell as a way to "balance" the utility of it. It would be really nice if the folks at EQ2 could start thinking outside this box. I think they're closer to the mark than any other game out there, but they still have a long way to go in my not-so-humble opinion.</p></blockquote><p>That's not entirely correct<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>The xp from writs does not count against your vitality so even an "easy street" crafter profession can benefit from doing writs.</p><p>The quickest I have found so far is to not bother going through for pristine bonuses anymore and just doing the writs.  You will automatically get the pristine bonus when you do the new recipe for the first time and every 6 recipes you get a bonus 5-11% (est) experience that doesn't use up any vitality allowing for a longer vitality based crafting session than if you go through and use up all your vitality on pristine bonuses and have to wait 7 days for it to regen to 100% before crafting again to take advantage of the vitality.</p><p>Sorry for the rambling and hope that makes sense to everyone</p>

[Wandering_Free]

I manged to get from a level 20 sage to 70 through writs only.  Well worth it.

[Kordran]

<p>The problem is that you're not getting a new recipie with every writ. So yeah, you might get one pristine for one writ, but since the writs at the same tier cycle through the same limited selection of recipies, you're mostly going to be doing recipies that you've already done and get no bonus for.</p><p>Those cumulative pristine bonuses far outweigh the XP from completing writs from what I've seen. Although I haven't done this as a test, I think it's pretty clear that if you had an alchemist who did nothing but writs for 2 hours, and another who did nothing but pristines, working through his recipie list, the winner by a large margin would be the second fellow. While the first guy doing writs would finish with more vitality (all other things considered equal), that difference would be marginal in terms of progression. Vitality or not, the guy doing nothing but writs is going to level slower than the one that does nothing but pristines.</p>

[Calthine]

<cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The problem is that you're not getting a new recipie with every writ. So yeah, you might get one pristine for one writ, but since the writs at the same tier cycle through the same limited selection of recipies, you're mostly going to be doing recipies that you've already done and get no bonus for.</p><p>Those cumulative pristine bonuses far outweigh the XP from completing writs from what I've seen. Although I haven't done this as a test, I think it's pretty clear that if you had an alchemist who did nothing but writs for 2 hours, and another who did nothing but pristines, working through his recipie list, the winner by a large margin would be the second fellow. While the first guy doing writs would finish with more vitality (all other things considered equal), that difference would be marginal in terms of progression. Vitality or not, the guy doing nothing but writs is going to level slower than the one that does nothing but pristines.</p></blockquote>Domino told us that a sage, who gets a mega-load of Pristine bonuses, will level faster than someone just doing writs.  But not much.

[Finnwizz]

<p>Sorry for not being clear enough on this.  I will try to explain a different way.</p><p>* Not exact numbers*</p><p>Setting:  The race from lv 60 to lv 70 with 2 Alchemists both at 100% Vitality both starting right at lv 60.</p><p>A pristine combine yields .1% experience and a first time bonus is half again as much as well as vitality adding half again as much.  XP from writs is 11%(pretty close number for these levels)</p><p>All writs are rush writs. and each level we get 15 new recipes.  Not sure of the exact vitality usage at this level so am going to assume 1 to 1 ratio.</p><p>Alch 1 is doing prisine bonuses and then writs.</p><p>Alch 2 is doing writs and taking the pristine bonuses when they come.</p><p>Alch 1: does 6 recipes and gets 2% each for 12% lv gain and uses 12% vitality</p><p>does 6 more recipes and gets 2% each for another 12% and uses 12% vitality</p><p>finishes off the 3 left at 2% for  6% using 6% vitality</p><p>he does a writ (6 recipes) for 1.5% each for another 9% plus 11% writ bonus and uses 9% vitality</p><p>second writ for 9% plus 11% writ bonus and </p><p>third writ for 9% plus 11% writ bonus</p><p>4th writ for 9% plus 11% writ bonus and he dings.</p><p>he is 10% into lv 61 and has 34% vitality left and did 39 combines.</p><p>Alch 2 is only doing writs (because she is a girl and girls are smarter, just ask my wife<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />)</p><p>First writ is 6 recipes at 2% each (pristine bonuses) for 12% plus 11% writ bonus and used 12% vitality</p><p>Bad luck strikes and all the rest of our writs are gonna use the same recipes so bonuses are over.</p><p>Second writ 6 reciepes at 1.5% for 9% plus 11%bonus and used 9% vitality</p><p>third writ for 9% plus bonus 11% and used 9% vitality</p><p>fourth writ for 9% plus writ bonus of 11% and used 9% vitality</p><p>fifth writ for 9% plus writ bonus of 11% and used 9% vitality</p><p>Ding she is 3% into lv 61 and has 52% vitality left while only using 30 combines.</p><p>Once Alchi 1 runs out of vitality Alchi 2 is gonna shoot ahead even faster.  At 1 minute per combine Alchi 2 dinged 9 mins before Alchi 1.</p><p>At this point Alchi 1 stops doing writs and does 15 combines without that powerful non vitality eating writ completion bonus xp.  As soon as the vitality runs out the question is what does alchi 1 do, keep crafting without the vitality bonus or wait 7 days for it to fill up again?  Then there is the added harvest time for those extra combines needed.</p><p>PS  I know the rough layout of the numbers from leveling several crafters both before and after writ xp but if I have made any mistakes in numbers or calculations post them and I will edit the numbers.  I tried to err on the side of cautiona and give Alchi 1 the benefits but he just doesn't stand a chance.</p>

[Finnwizz]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The problem is that you're not getting a new recipie with every writ. So yeah, you might get one pristine for one writ, but since the writs at the same tier cycle through the same limited selection of recipies, you're mostly going to be doing recipies that you've already done and get no bonus for.</p><p>Those cumulative pristine bonuses far outweigh the XP from completing writs from what I've seen. Although I haven't done this as a test, I think it's pretty clear that if you had an alchemist who did nothing but writs for 2 hours, and another who did nothing but pristines, working through his recipie list, the winner by a large margin would be the second fellow. While the first guy doing writs would finish with more vitality (all other things considered equal), that difference would be marginal in terms of progression. Vitality or not, the guy doing nothing but writs is going to level slower than the one that does nothing but pristines.</p></blockquote>Domino told us that a sage, who gets a mega-load of Pristine bonuses, will level faster than someone just doing writs.  But not much.</blockquote>I love Domino, who couldn't.  She probably even gets mariage proposals from the trolls.  But I think even a sage would be better off doing the writs as the writs do change the recipes, not just the same 6 over and over and alot, though not all, the first time bonus would still come during the course of the writs.

[Mighty Melvor]

<p>What I do on my crafters is all the rush orders until they tier up.  Then, I go back and make all the other common items I haven't made pristine yet for the bonuses.  Since, I usually gather all my raws as well, I typically have rares which I also make pristine for even more bonuses and platz.  Once that is done, I move onto the next tier (more gathering /grumble).</p><p>Of course, in the higher tiers, I notice that I run out of vitality long before I reach the next tier.  In that case, I just log on another crafter and grind him.  Just keep switching back and forth until they are tier up.</p><p>I currently have 6 crafters: 5 ~lvl 40 and my main at 61.  I've found that keeping them all at the same pace/level makes it easier on the raws/rares storage and organization.  Otherwise, I'd go nuts.</p><p>Oh wait, I have 6 lvl 40+ crafters. I AM nuts!</p>

[Finnwizz]

<cite>Mighty Melvor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What I do on my crafters is all the rush orders until they tier up.  Then, I go back and make all the other common items I haven't made pristine yet for the bonuses.  Since, I usually gather all my raws as well, I typically have rares which I also make pristine for even more bonuses and platz.  Once that is done, I move onto the next tier (more gathering /grumble).</p><p>Of course, in the higher tiers, I notice that I run out of vitality long before I reach the next tier.  In that case, I just log on another crafter and grind him.  Just keep switching back and forth until they are tier up.</p><p>I currently have 6 crafters: 5 ~lvl 40 and my main at 61.  I've found that keeping them all at the same pace/level makes it easier on the raws/rares storage and organization.  Otherwise, I'd go nuts.</p><p><span style="font-size: small;color: #0000ff;">Oh wait, I have 6 lvl 40+ crafters. I AM nuts!</span></p></blockquote><p>I feel I must come out of the closet and claim insanity too<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>4 level 70's and only one of them is a scholar type.  Here's to sticking together in insanity.</p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*snipped* .....  <b>the winner by a large margin would be</b>  .......</p></blockquote>The person who does what they do because they enjoy it.

[Finnwizz]

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kordran wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*snipped* .....  <b>the winner by a large margin would be</b>  .......</p></blockquote>The person who does what they do because they enjoy it. </blockquote><p>Good Form<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>See my wife is right, women are smarter than men.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Ouch, never type comments like that with your wife/GF behind you.</p>