Everfrost and Lavastorm Lands of the Elements

[Ama]

<p>Wanted to get some info about these lands since they seem to be rather quiet at the moment.  My first question is why are there no shadowedmen in these lands? Been through many of the areas and found no trace of them.  Are the shadowed men weakened to the elements of extensive cold and/or heat or is there some other reason? </p><p>I can understand the reason for not attempting to rebuild the spire in EF since it's at the lakes bottom, but why not in Lavastorm? Are those giants there protecting something keeping those spire people from rebuilding it? </p><p>Vox's Ghost seems rather content in permafrost and i'm quite surprised Nagafen isn't attempting to raise her soul again.  Is he to heart broken to dupe us into attempting it again or does he have what he needs? </p>

[IrishWonder]

<p>There are probably no shadowmen in Lavastorm and Everfrost due to the lack of large civilizations in either land. The shadowmen seem bent on subjugating and infiltrating societies, and a presence in Lavastorm or Everfrost would do them no good.</p><p>That being said, they have probably atleast visited Lavastorm since they know about Nagafen. He is indeed trying to revive Lady Vox, and the shadowmen have attempted to sneak him an item via Arbiter Selek and claim that it can "revive" Vox, when in actuality it is a tool that is supposedly powerful enough to subjugate a dragon... and they want him to try it on Vox so they'll know if it works.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>As mentioned, there's no presence of the void in those two lands because of lack of civilization. In fact, the Temple of Solusek Ro in Lavastorm went out of it's way to destroy the Shadowmen scattered across the game in EQlive.</p><p>why they won't rebuild the spires in Lavastorm? One word: LAVA.</p>

[Daine]

There are broken druid rings and ulteran spires in almost every zone in the game that doesn't have a working spire...from Zek to the Loping Plains.  I wonder if they'll ever be fixed, or in the case of the zones where the remnants are inaccessible, rebuilt in a different location...I can't see much possibility in EF or LS because there aren't many people there to begin with, therefore no reasonable institution would waste time and money on the reconstruction there.On a side note there are four classical elements:  Earth, Air, Fire, and Water.  Lavastorm and Everfrost are fire and water (ice) respectively but are there any lands for Air and Earth?  The closest I could think of drawing on the EQ lore I know is the Rathe Mountains=Earth, and the Kingdom of Sky zones=Air, any other suggestions?

[Cusashorn]

<p>It's been stated that the Ulterian spires and druid rings will never be rebuilt in those zones because it's just too dangerous. Orcs would destroy the spires in 5 minutes flat. Loping Plains is swarming with zombies and imps. Everfrost is underwater. Lavastorm is surrounded by lava. </p><p>The druid rings in Loping Plains are corrupted. The ones in Nektulos are far too isolated and surrounded by natural dangers. The one at Mystic Lake are corrupted as well. Zek for the same reason as above: the orcs would destroy it instantly, or kill anyone who tried to use it while they researched ways to use it for themselves.</p>

[Ama]

<p>Actually I could see why lavastorm would be bordered off on the list, but not Everfrost.  In EverFrost you have alot of unique creatures that the shadowedmen could subjegate.  Also not to mention the ice giants that roam around the back parts.  </p><p>For some reason I still get the impression those giants in Lavastorm are guarding the spire making sure it does not get rebuilt.  </p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually I could see why lavastorm would be bordered off on the list, but not Everfrost.  In EverFrost you have alot of unique creatures that the shadowedmen could subjegate.  Also not to mention the ice giants that roam around the back parts.  </p><p>For some reason I still get the impression those giants in Lavastorm are guarding the spire making sure it does not get rebuilt.  </p></blockquote>yeah, and then there's the Lava everywhere, so it's 2 reasons really.

[IrishWonder]

<p>That's my new motto... "Real dedication isn't measured by how far you're willing to go, but by how much lava it takes to stop you."</p><p>I think the giants are akin to the dragons in that they are much too large and magically empowered for the shadowmen to subjugate easily. It wouldn't be in their best interest to try such measures given that they are still trying to be covert about the whole "Invade Norrath" plan <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Saroc_Luclin]

Remember in EQLive, most giants (especially the Everfrost area giants) are very magic resistant and immune to charm and mez effects (to the dismay of chanters). So that may be another reason why the Shadowmen are staying away. There WAS originally a Shadowman camp in Lavastorm in EQLive's time, but it was probably there to keep an eye on the Temple of Ro and to study Naggy. I would guess that sometime after EQLive's time, the Temple of Ro discovered the encampment and cleared out that infestation.

[Ama]

<cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That's my new motto... "Real dedication isn't measured by how far you're willing to go, but by how much lava it takes to stop you."</p><p>I think the giants are akin to the dragons in that they are much too large and magically empowered for the shadowmen to subjugate easily. It wouldn't be in their best interest to try such measures given that they are still trying to be covert about the whole "Invade Norrath" plan <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Ahh but it's probably easier to subjugate a fire giant more than a dragon which is why Everfrost would be ripe for them.  They could also gather intel that way and maybe find a way to "Persuade" our dear Lord Nagafen to their cause.  If he helps them out they will give him X item that will restore his beloved back to life.  </p><p>Lord Nagafen's one true weakness is his beloved, but at the moment i'm wondering if he cares at all.  He barely seemed concerned when we accidentally destroyed that prismatic egg of his.  </p>

[IrishWonder]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ahh but it's probably easier to subjugate a fire giant more than a dragon which is why Everfrost would be ripe for them.  They could also gather intel that way and maybe find a way to "Persuade" our dear Lord Nagafen to their cause.  If he helps them out they will give him X item that will restore his beloved back to life.  <p>Lord Nagafen's one true weakness is his beloved, but at the moment i'm wondering if he cares at all.  He barely seemed concerned when we accidentally destroyed that prismatic egg of his.  </p></blockquote><p>"Easier" doesn't equal "easy" <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> I'm sure it wouldn't be nearly as hard for the shadowmen to infiltrate the giant society as it would be for dragons, but it would still be tough and an unnecessary risk to them. We don't know what they're cause is, but it probably has something to do with the destruction of Norrath. I doubt Nagafen would go for that right now.</p><p>Nagafen wasn't upset about the loss of one egg because he has a whole clutch of others. He does care about Vox, though... or atleast he seems to by getting very angry when you mention her name in the Prismatic quest line. It could be that's another deception on his part.</p>

[Ama]

<cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ahh but it's probably easier to subjugate a fire giant more than a dragon which is why Everfrost would be ripe for them.  They could also gather intel that way and maybe find a way to "Persuade" our dear Lord Nagafen to their cause.  If he helps them out they will give him X item that will restore his beloved back to life.  <p>Lord Nagafen's one true weakness is his beloved, but at the moment i'm wondering if he cares at all.  He barely seemed concerned when we accidentally destroyed that prismatic egg of his.  </p></blockquote><p>It could be that's another deception on his part.</p></blockquote><p>Perhaps</p><p>It is mentioned in the OOB scroll that the shadowedmen have in their possession a device that transfers draconic souls from one body into another.  It also implies that they have a spy that maybe the arbiter in Nagafen's service.  </p><p>Only reason I suggested Nagafen may not care for Vox is due to how long they have been isolated and the fact her ressurection failed.  However when he says that line about us failing to ressurect his beloved Vox it sounds cold like he only considers it a bonus. </p>