why the hell did you nerf loot card drop rate chance?......

[Why1984]

<p>Seriously this is by far a lame BS scame on You'r behalf sony....</p><p>Up untill this week the loot card chance's have been decient.....</p><p>However this week (mind you its only been technicaly 2 days into it now...) its utter BS I'v gotten 30 packs open 20 thinking atleast 1 dam loot item would drop eithen if it were another crapatacular exp potion but man was I ever wrong.....</p><p> Sold 10 for plat & eithen they got utterly stuff all...... I do understan the concept of RANDOM so befor any one trys to flame ME "Yes I did relise what I was in for" however last few weeks it hasnt been as dreadfull...... Prehaps I'v only got Myself to blame which to some extent is true however I used My god dam birth day cash to get these cards yesturday and not only am I extremely P.Oed.... I explaine to MY grandmother how basicly Her present went to waste & eithen She declairs this as a utter ripped off scame up to the point of where I had to defend SOE and basicly condeem it as a mistake on My own behalf.... Which blows because I know its a dam scame & yet I'm still intieced to buy the god dam things >.<</p><p> Seriously place the loot cards to geting atleast 1 per 8-10 packs or ppl will wise the hell up & simply stop paying for them.</p>

[Kaycerzan]

Um. I am going to flame you for making this post because the fact that you came here to whine means you don't understand random.They say the average chance of a loot card is 1 in 9 packs. But you could open 100 and still not get a loot card. Or you could buy 30, open 20, be discouraged and sell the other 10, losing whatever loot cards may have been in them.  Thing is, that 1 in 9 is not cumulative. It's not a sham. Go look at a pack of cards in the store. You'll see the same sort of odds, and you'll get the same results. The only difference is you'll probably pay more for less cards.  Basically what you want is to vent at someone, because now you're [Removed for Content], and granny's angry with you, and ya'll wanna pass that on to Sony for lying to you. Which isn't the case. You're just lying to yourself. Nobody's gonna 'wise up and stop paying for them' because they know they're paying for odds, not a sure thing. And besides, you're the one that told granny her present was a waste. Noone ever likes to hear their present was squandered.

[Ogrebe]

During beta i bought a 15-20 and only got one card... a few days ago i bought some more and got 2.. The rate seem to be the same.. You probably got lucky the first time..

[littleman17]

I'm just going to flame you for you utterly terrible spelling and grammar. I gave up trying to read your post after the first two setences. But, I will say that the terrible chances to get anything useful out of LoN is the reason why I will most likely never spend any money on it.

[Aurumn]

<p>Just to lob another log onto the fire I have purchased 1, and only one, booster pack in case I wanted to trade later and to satisfy my curiosity. It contained Nagafen (a black dragon 8 power cost card) in it. Not a loot card, but still a rare apparently. Despite my good luck I didn't rush back to the LoN store and buy a pile of packs. It was a lucky draw and I knew it. As evidence of this, in all the time since then I have YET to have any LoN items drop in game on any of my 7 characters. I have no plans to buy future boosters/decks unless I get into tournaments and whatnot. (which is about as likely as a loot card drop)</p><p>You chose to gamble and you got burned. I'm sorry for your frustration, but whether it's trading cards or Lottery tickets you know you're betting on the unknown and your desired result is NEVER guaranteed. </p>

[Bloodfa]

First, apologize to your grandmother for reacting like a 3 year old when you lost out on a random game of chance.  Second, stay in school and play online less.  Third ... what were you expecting? 

[Leatherneck]

If you flip a coin 99 times in a row and it comes up heads each time, what are the chances that last flip that it will come up heads?

[Killerbee3000]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you flip a coin 99 times in a row and it comes up heads each time, what are the chances that last flip that it will come up heads?</blockquote>what random gave you in the past has no effect whatsoever on what random will give you in the future.... its that simple.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you flip a coin 99 times in a row and it comes up heads each time, what are the chances that last flip that it will come up heads?</blockquote>what random gave you in the past has no effect whatsoever on what random will give you in the future.... its that simple.</blockquote>Exactly.

[Zard]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you flip a coin 99 times in a row and it comes up heads each time, what are the chances that last flip that it will come up heads?</blockquote>what random gave you in the past has no effect whatsoever on what random will give you in the future.... its that simple.</blockquote><p>(psst, that was a <i>rhetorical</i> question<i>)</i></p><p><i><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question</a></i></p>

[greenmantle]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>what random gave you in the past has no effect whatsoever on what random will give you in the future.... its that simple.</blockquote>Actually if your playing russian roulette what the random gave you in the past can have a signigicant effect on wether you get to random in the future <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ogrebe]

.... o man i just had my statistics i don't want to hear about flipping coins any more

[Hamervelder]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>First, apologize to your grandmother for reacting like a 3 year old when you lost out on a random game of chance.  Second, stay in school and play online less.  Third ... what were you expecting?  </blockquote>I just snorted Coca Cola out my nose.

[retro_guy]

<cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just to lob another log onto the fire I have purchased 1, and only one, booster pack in case I wanted to trade later and to satisfy my curiosity. It contained Nagafen (a black dragon 8 power cost card) in it. Not a loot card, but still a rare apparently. Despite my good luck I didn't rush back to the LoN store and buy a pile of packs. It was a lucky draw and I knew it. As evidence of this, in all the time since then I have YET to have any LoN items drop in game on any of my 7 characters. I have no plans to buy future boosters/decks unless I get into tournaments and whatnot. (which is about as likely as a loot card drop)</p><p>You chose to gamble and you got burned. I'm sorry for your frustration, but whether it's trading cards or Lottery tickets you know you're betting on the unknown and your desired result is NEVER guaranteed. </p></blockquote>Every booster pack has 1 rare card in it.

[Ze]

Op killed English.

[kenm]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you flip a coin 99 times in a row and it comes up heads each time, what are the chances that last flip that it will come up heads?</blockquote>what random gave you in the past has no effect whatsoever on what random will give you in the future.... its that simple.</blockquote>Exactly.</blockquote>If you're flipping a coin under the exact same conditions in the exact same manner and it came up heads 99 times in a row, I'd bet anything that repeating it exactly would yield heads yet again.Why?  Flipping a coin is not freaking random whatsoever.  It's called "physics."Similarly, what cards you get from opening booster packs are not random either.  It's determined from a pseudo random number generator, which follows a set algorithm.  Since SOE hasn't disclosed exactly how it works, for all you know it very well could be seeded based on the past cards you've gotten.  Or it could simply be based on system time, in which case the fact that you spent time opening another booster pack before opening one does indeed affect the outcome.  If you had instead waited several seconds, or merely had different latency, you'd get different cards... but that's not really the point.  The point is as it's server sided there's really is no way of knowing if SOE changes the odds.  Just because it's "random" doesn't mean you're not more or less likely to obtain certain cards.  At any rate, it is likely that SOE didn't change anything.  They're too lazy to bother.Sorry, I get annoyed when people play the "random" card.  Nothing in life is truly random. 

[Kaycerzan]

Yes, the cards are packed based on a mathematical algorithim that decides what happens where when and how.  True random would destroy the idea of statistical probability.  You call flipping a coin physics. But there's still a mathematical probability to it, that says it <i>should</i> flip heads or tails an equal number of times. In order for physics to have any influence on it, you're saying that in the process of flipping the coin, I'm exerting the exact same forces on it every single time, causing the exact number of rotations. Also given that I'm flipping it with the same side up every time. Thing is, he's not talking about running a scientific experiment with controlled factors to get the result over and over again. I'm not arguing against your science, mind you. It may not be random, but there are still variables. As for the russian roulette example... that has a cumulative factor to it.  Revolver has 6 chambers, each time to pull the trigger, you eliminate that particular chamber from the equation.  If the box of boosters said "This box contains 3 loot cards," then you could narrow down the odds knowing how many packs from that box have been opened without success. But it doesn't. It says "odds: 1 in 9 packs"  meaning box after box could contain no loot, while another box could have a loot card in EVERY PACK.  (those easily influenced, go buy a box NOW and get all loot cards!)Ok. I think I'm done.  Those wishing to do so may now commence with the geek flaming.

[Hamervelder]

I think the reason for the low rate of loot card drops should be rather clear:  Sony wants to make money.  People are likely to think "I didn't get one that time... but it's only three bucks... what's another pack?"  and so on and so on.  Pretty soon, you've spent $60, and you've still got no loot card.  Unlike "real" merchandise, you can't take this back.  You're stuck with it, and Sony has your money.

[othera1]

According to my friends who between them bought 100...(4 friends) 1 got i think 3 loot cards outa 25 other said he got 1 outa 10 other got 1 in 15 other got 4 in 50 as you acn see 1 was lucky <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> (btw the guy who opened 10 gave several to the one who got 50) this is what they just tell me tho <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />