Yet another stealth nerf!

[LordXender]

<p>Don't know if it just me but....</p><p>I have gradually being playing my monk less and less since I was getting a little bored trying to get pick up groups - the usual story posted many times on these boards.</p><p>Logged him in for a little solo fun after update 38 and what did I see - a progression bar on all clickies, like chests. Gone is the oh so wonderful brawler ability to advance quests etc whilst fd next to some evil mob who would kill me np. Now I have to get up and hope my focus holds (which it rarely does).</p><p>The main problem is I can no longer park my monk outside MMIS to pick up alt loot, since I can't solo my way down there like I used to. The chest can't be rotated anymore whilst fd, and I can't take on 2 linked73^^^.</p><p>Anyone else annoyed by this change?</p><p>Xenderson</p><p>Runnyeye </p>

[Oxanda]

Your "<span class="postbody">oh so wonderful brawler ability to advance quests</span>" is, in my opinion, the main reason for this change. FD was never meant to trivialize content like that.

[Timaarit]

<cite>Oxanda@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your "<span class="postbody">oh so wonderful brawler ability to advance quests</span>" is, in my opinion, the main reason for this change. FD was never meant to trivialize content like that.</blockquote>Ok, so we are to thank whiners like you for this nerf. Thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Now they need to give us back something. Like 50% more DPS or tanking capability of a guardian. After all, this nerf took all the soloing capability off from brawlers. If I cant solo quests like I used to, then I need to be able to get groups as well as any plate tank. After all, our soloing capability has been the prohibiting factor in any changes. Now it has been taken away.

[Oxanda]

<cite>Timaarit wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Ok, so we are to thank whiners like you for this nerf. Thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Hmm, i never complained about this and frankly didn't care, just trying to figure out why they changed this <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Timaarit]

Well, since it has been doable since day 1 I presume, it must have something to do with the pages in CMM for SoD. Anyone with FD was able to solo that part. Heck, even classes that cant have been able. A friend of mine with a defiler soloed the pages part with invis totems.But if it is because of that, then I must wonder the reasoning behind it as no one can solo the next part so it is not like you got any advantage for being able to solo one part.But then again, the chest that opens the doorway to MMIS is definately not a quest item so why the hell was that included? I never FD'd to get that one open and every single class was able to open it if the mobs on the way didn't see invis.So I think this change was made because some people have been whining about some classes being able to solo certain quests. And as usual, some people are more equal than others and thus their whines, however stupid, are the defining factor. The devs certainly have a reason for this change but since it is really stupid one and cant withstand daylight, they wont say it.Edit: Just noticed that using these no longer breaks invis. So this change is now directly targeted against brawlers. Thanks devs <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Deathspell]

I hope they nerfed it for summoners too this time? No class can can harvest a shiny or clicky while being under attack, except for summoners coz they still can get update while their pet is fighting.

[Xanrn]

<p>Shees if you can't work out a way using Feign to do a 2 second widget, when i can harvest stuff inside a mobs aggro range using Feign.</p><p>You need to change your class.</p>

[Timaarit]

Well the devs certainly dont know that. I mean how could they when they dont have the slightest idea about brawlers. This change is still directly targeted against brawlers.

[tt66]

<cite>Oxanda@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your "<span class="postbody">oh so wonderful brawler ability to advance quests</span>" is, in my opinion, the main reason for this change. FD was never meant to trivialize content like that.</blockquote>But doing exactly the same thing while stealthed is A-OK, right?

[Nokrahs]

on the bright side...FD recieved no cast timer...yet

[BChizzle]

<cite>LordXender wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Don't know if it just me but....</p><p>I have gradually being playing my monk less and less since I was getting a little bored trying to get pick up groups - the usual story posted many times on these boards.</p><p>Logged him in for a little solo fun after update 38 and what did I see - a progression bar on all clickies, like chests. Gone is the oh so wonderful brawler ability to advance quests etc whilst fd next to some evil mob who would kill me np. Now I have to get up and hope my focus holds (which it rarely does).</p><p>The main problem is I can no longer park my monk outside MMIS to pick up alt loot, since I can't solo my way down there like I used to. The chest can't be rotated anymore whilst fd, and I can't take on 2 linked73^^^.</p><p>Anyone else annoyed by this change?</p><p>Xenderson</p><p>Runnyeye </p></blockquote>You can fd down the stairs and then invis to the chest to open the door, the statues don't see invis and the vamps that do path out into the X 2 room far enough that you can get by.

[Bewts]

most items that you could interact with while FD no longer work.  Intended or not it makes solo clicking things while FD much more difficult.  Unrest is a good example as you could collect keys and use the levers while FD.   This saved the group significant time clearing to get those items.  Of course, theres always work arounds IE Tsunami for us Monks.

[BChizzle]

<cite>Bewts wrote:</cite><blockquote>most items that you could interact with while FD no longer work.  Intended or not it makes solo clicking things while FD much more difficult.  Unrest is a good example as you could collect keys and use the levers while FD.   This saved the group significant time clearing to get those items.  Of course, theres always work arounds IE Tsunami for us Monks.</blockquote>Keys and chess parts are still possible you can fd and farm them while the mobs reset its only 2 seconds mobs take that long to reset.

[Shankonia]

<cite>Bewts wrote:</cite><blockquote>most items that you could interact with while FD no longer work.  Intended or not it makes solo clicking things while FD much more difficult.  Unrest is a good example as you could collect keys and use the levers while FD.   This saved the group significant time clearing to get those items.  Of course, theres always work arounds IE Tsunami for us Monks.</blockquote><p>Tsunami only works if you are in combat, so not a very competent work around.  I think the better work around is to find a brawler friend and duo everything.  Just take turns running everything off.  </p><p>Makes me wonder how many of these 'complainers' had a brawler FD train them through SoS for Claymore updates.  I'm guessing I did trading information at least 100 times.</p>

[russkyj]

<p>if you dont or cant invis (see invis mobs) you can FD on top of the chest, push back into the corner and you wont agro the Armor and then you can rotate the chest. so still possible, just harder</p><p> Uryuk</p><p>70 Monk - Unrest</p>