LoN Recipes

[bleap]

Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....

[Bloodfa]

It's not.  Welcome to Poke'EQ.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. <b>How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</b></blockquote>Because you don't have to pay to get those cards.

[Thay]

<cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</blockquote>If you have such heartburn with the items, just play another game. Seriously. Not flaming you here...just pointing out that we all play these games to have fun and, if you aren't having it, you should move on to some game that you enjoy.

[Xelphneigh]

While I don't disagree in asking questions I do however find it a problem that your critiquing and criticizing LoN without even having any knowledge of the game, subject or these cards.  One would think, before ye shall [Removed for Content] and moan, one would have the facts.I think you need to go back, do some due diligences on the issue and then come back and state your opinions because it clearly shows you have no clue in regard this this game at the moment.Now, with that said, you may come back and have the same opinion; fair enough but please inform yourself before you go off on a rant about something you have no knowledge.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Xelphneigh@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>One would think, before ye shall [I cannot control my vocabulary] and moan, one would have the facts.</blockquote>On teh intarweb?  You're kidding, right?

[Xelphneigh]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xelphneigh@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>One would think, before ye shall [I cannot control my vocabulary] and moan, one would have the facts.</blockquote>On teh intarweb?  You're kidding, right?</blockquote>OK, OK maybe a bit far fetched but at least if your going to gripe about something you should know what your talking about? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />The rareity, claim, use and timers on these loot cards have been known for awhile.  While I don't necessarily disagree on some points many have made about the `farmers` and ingame booster drops I can at least state I know a bit more about the game then the OP.  I didn't say I disagreed with him but to not speak of things not known.

[kenm]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. <b>How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</b></blockquote>Because you don't have to pay to get those cards.</blockquote>Let's see, I've killed thousands of mobs since LoN came out and have gotten a total of 0 booster packs and 1 starter deck.  As far as I know, starter decks can't contain loot cards, so that doesn't even count.  But you're right, if you farm 24/7 you do have a slight chance of getting this card sometime before the year 2026 without paying with either in-game coin or real money.  However, that's not fair at all since it's possible to just dump a few hundred dollars into LoN and get it right this moment.The thing about LoN that angers me the most is the [I cannot control my vocabulary] loot cards.  Does nobody remember the outcry against station exchange when the game first game out, and why SOE didn't enable it on *every* server?   It's because *gasp* some people enjoy actually having a server to play fair, where everybody is, or at least supposed to, earn everything they get themselves in game.   When you start giving away in-game items to people for real life money, it's exactly like having freaking station exchange on every server.Want a 50% mount?  Either give the game effort, get to guild level 60, and buy it for over 10p... or just throw money at SOE and get given one with no real effort!Want to increase that chance of your guild killing PHH?  Throw money at SOE until you get 12 stein recipes to get an easy port to loping plains for every one of your guild members!Want the floaty effect the Fae Wing Cloak has?  Well, start killing mobs in EH!  Or... throw money at SOE and get a cloak with the same effect!Having slight power issues near the end of those difficult raid mobs?  Throw money at SOE for a 15% power clicky to gain that edge and never run out of power on that fight again!What's gonna be next?  If it's "Want T8 fabled set gear?  Kill raid mobs in RoK!  Or... throw money at SOE for gear with identical stats!" I sure as heck quit.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Kenman@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. <b>How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</b></blockquote>Because you don't have to pay to get those cards.</blockquote>Let's see, I've killed thousands of mobs since LoN came out and have gotten a total of 0 booster packs and 1 starter deck.  As far as I know, starter decks can't contain loot cards, so that doesn't even count.  <b>But you're right, if you farm 24/7 you do have a slight chance of getting this card sometime before the year 2026 without paying with either in-game coin or real money.  </b>However, that's not fair at all since it's possible to just dump a few hundred dollars into LoN and get it right this moment.The thing about LoN that angers me the most is the [I cannot control my vocabulary] loot cards.  Does nobody remember the outcry against station exchange when the game first game out, and why SOE didn't enable it on *every* server?   It's because *gasp* some people enjoy actually having a server to play fair, where everybody is, or at least supposed to, earn everything they get themselves in game.   When you start giving away in-game items to people for real life money, it's exactly like having freaking station exchange on every server.Want a 50% mount?  Either give the game effort, get to guild level 60, and buy it for over 10p... or just throw money at SOE and get given one with no real effort!Want to increase that chance of your guild killing PHH?  Throw money at SOE until you get 12 stein recipes to get an easy port to loping plains for every one of your guild members!Want the floaty effect the Fae Wing Cloak has?  Well, start killing mobs in EH!  Or... throw money at SOE and get a cloak with the same effect!Having slight power issues near the end of those difficult raid mobs?  Throw money at SOE for a 15% power clicky to gain that edge and never run out of power on that fight again!What's gonna be next?  If it's "Want T8 fabled set gear?  Kill raid mobs in RoK!  Or... throw money at SOE for gear with identical stats!" I sure as heck quit.</blockquote>Or you could buy a booster pack off the vendor with plat.

[kenm]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kenman@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. <b>How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</b></blockquote>Because you don't have to pay to get those cards.</blockquote>Let's see, I've killed thousands of mobs since LoN came out and have gotten a total of 0 booster packs and 1 starter deck.  As far as I know, starter decks can't contain loot cards, so that doesn't even count.  <b>But you're right, if you farm 24/7 you do have a slight chance of getting this card sometime before the year 2026 without paying with either in-game coin or real money.  </b>However, that's not fair at all since it's possible to just dump a few hundred dollars into LoN and get it right this moment.The thing about LoN that angers me the most is the [I cannot control my vocabulary] loot cards.  Does nobody remember the outcry against station exchange when the game first game out, and why SOE didn't enable it on *every* server?   It's because *gasp* some people enjoy actually having a server to play fair, where everybody is, or at least supposed to, earn everything they get themselves in game.   When you start giving away in-game items to people for real life money, it's exactly like having freaking station exchange on every server.Want a 50% mount?  Either give the game effort, get to guild level 60, and buy it for over 10p... or just throw money at SOE and get given one with no real effort!Want to increase that chance of your guild killing PHH?  Throw money at SOE until you get 12 stein recipes to get an easy port to loping plains for every one of your guild members!Want the floaty effect the Fae Wing Cloak has?  Well, start killing mobs in EH!  Or... throw money at SOE and get a cloak with the same effect!Having slight power issues near the end of those difficult raid mobs?  Throw money at SOE for a 15% power clicky to gain that edge and never run out of power on that fight again!What's gonna be next?  If it's "Want T8 fabled set gear?  Kill raid mobs in RoK!  Or... throw money at SOE for gear with identical stats!" I sure as heck quit.</blockquote>Or you could buy a booster pack off the vendor with plat.</blockquote>And yet the original poster you responded to saying you don't have to pay clarified "given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot)".  Should I also mention that there's a total of 11 booster packs on the broker on my server at the moment?  Nearly all of them from obvious farmers that kill 10s of thousands of mobs a day.  If I bought every single pack on the broker every time they were actually found and sold there, yeah, I might get a stein card in a month or to.  Or, I might get it a few years from now.But that's not even the point.  The fact is people are ABLE to spend real freaking money to get this crap.  I don't give a rats [I cannot control my vocabulary] if it's possible to get it in game, it's exactly like a freaking station exchange server.  Is it possible to fully raid gear your character on station exchange without paying?  Yes.  Is it also possible to not put forth any effort at all and just BUY a fully raid geared one?  Yes.  I'm completely against that kind of crap.  And judging from the vote against station exchange they had around when EQ2 launched, I'm not alone in the thought that people should have to <b>spend in-game effort in order to obtain in-game rewards</b>.  I have no interest whatsoever in playing with people that don't want to put forth effort into the game and would rather buy their way to success instead.LoN is no freaking different, it's just a crappy way to throw a lesser form of station exchange bull onto every server.By your logic, you'd be perfectly fine if SOE added a loot card that gave you a full set of fabled set gear since you can actually get it in-game as well, yes?  If so, there's no point in arguing with somebody obviously for the concept of station exchange in the first place.  If not, why?  Same deal.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Kenman@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kenman@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>bleap wrote:</cite><blockquote>Apparently there are in game recipes available from the LoN game that create items that give some players advantages over those who don't wish to buy cards or play LoN. one item that appears to be a big hit is the Stein of the Alesmith. It has the effect of transporting you to several taverns in the game, which doesn't sound like much BUT you can set it to take you to a tavern in a zone where you would tend to travel a lot such as LP. They are currently selling on the broker for 20-40 plat...Which means it's yet another reason for the gold farmers to kill everything they can to get these recipes...So what SOE has done by allowing in game items to come from LoN is encourage gold sellers and given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot) an additional Call of <factional city>. <b>How is this fair to those who don't want to PAY to play so to speak....</b></blockquote>Because you don't have to pay to get those cards.</blockquote>Let's see, I've killed thousands of mobs since LoN came out and have gotten a total of 0 booster packs and 1 starter deck.  As far as I know, starter decks can't contain loot cards, so that doesn't even count.  <b>But you're right, if you farm 24/7 you do have a slight chance of getting this card sometime before the year 2026 without paying with either in-game coin or real money.  </b>However, that's not fair at all since it's possible to just dump a few hundred dollars into LoN and get it right this moment.The thing about LoN that angers me the most is the [I cannot control my vocabulary] loot cards.  Does nobody remember the outcry against station exchange when the game first game out, and why SOE didn't enable it on *every* server?   It's because *gasp* some people enjoy actually having a server to play fair, where everybody is, or at least supposed to, earn everything they get themselves in game.   When you start giving away in-game items to people for real life money, it's exactly like having freaking station exchange on every server.Want a 50% mount?  Either give the game effort, get to guild level 60, and buy it for over 10p... or just throw money at SOE and get given one with no real effort!Want to increase that chance of your guild killing PHH?  Throw money at SOE until you get 12 stein recipes to get an easy port to loping plains for every one of your guild members!Want the floaty effect the Fae Wing Cloak has?  Well, start killing mobs in EH!  Or... throw money at SOE and get a cloak with the same effect!Having slight power issues near the end of those difficult raid mobs?  Throw money at SOE for a 15% power clicky to gain that edge and never run out of power on that fight again!What's gonna be next?  If it's "Want T8 fabled set gear?  Kill raid mobs in RoK!  Or... throw money at SOE for gear with identical stats!" I sure as heck quit.</blockquote>Or you could buy a booster pack off the vendor with plat.</blockquote><b>And yet the original poster you responded to saying you don't have to pay clarified "given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot)".</b>  Should I also mention that there's a total of 11 booster packs on the broker on my server at the moment?  Nearly all of them from obvious farmers that kill 10s of thousands of mobs a day.  If I bought every single pack on the broker every time they were actually found and sold there, yeah, I might get a stein card in a month or to.  Or, I might get it a few years from now.But that's not even the point.  The fact is people are ABLE to spend real freaking money to get this crap.  I don't give a rats [I cannot control my vocabulary] if it's possible to get it in game, it's exactly like a freaking station exchange server.  Is it possible to fully raid gear your character on station exchange without paying?  Yes.  Is it also possible to not put forth any effort at all and just BUY a fully raid geared one?  Yes.  I'm completely against that kind of crap.  And judging from the vote against station exchange they had around when EQ2 launched, I'm not alone in the thought that people should have to <b>spend in-game effort in order to obtain in-game rewards</b>.  I have no interest whatsoever in playing with people that don't want to put forth effort into the game and would rather buy their way to success instead.LoN is no freaking different, it's just a crappy way to throw a lesser form of station exchange bull onto every server.By your logic, you'd be perfectly fine if SOE added a loot card that gave you a full set of fabled set gear since you can actually get it in-game as well, yes?  If so, there's no point in arguing with somebody obviously for the concept of station exchange in the first place.  If not, why?  Same deal.</blockquote><p>1.  The OP has not posted on the topic again, so how did they clarify "given players willing to buy these cards for real money (or in game coin or loot)"?  Even still it's about choices.  You have multiple avenues of approach for getting booster-packs.  You can buy one from the station store.  You can loot one.  You can buy one from the broker.  Just because you don't like the odds of getting a booster from mobs doesn't mean it doesn't exist.</p><p> 2.  A huge difference between Station Exchange and LoN is actually pretty simple.  You can't buy a stein recipie card.  No...you can't.  But you've got yourself worked up in such a mouth-foaming frenzy that you can't or won't see the difference.</p>

[StormCinder]

<p><ponder ></p><p>I wonder, if the packs <i>were</i> no-trade what other pointless debate would occupy this space.</p><p></ponder></p><p>LoN has had ZERO impact on your EQ2 gameplay.  Show me where someone CoOing to a zone has changed how you play the game.  Show me ANYTHING that has changed the way you play the game.</p><p>SC</p>

[Leatherneck]

<cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><ponder ></p><p><b>I wonder, if the packs <i>were</i> no-trade what other pointless debate would occupy this space.</b></p><p></ponder></p><p>LoN has had ZERO impact on your EQ2 gameplay.  Show me where someone CoOing to a zone has changed how you play the game.  Show me ANYTHING that has changed the way you play the game.</p><p>SC</p></blockquote><p>"Why do I have to loot this junk for a game I don't even want to play?  I should at least be able to sell it."</p><p>Gamers are the whiniest entities on the planet.</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

So where are the *nerf druids because they can port and you cant* gripes?or the *nerf raiders because they get cooler gear and look better then the casual gamers* gripe?The complaints in this thread are so rediculous it's actually sort of funny...  There is nothing in the loot card list that makes or breaks the game, or even makes it SO unfair to those that dont have them. They are fluff fun items. Sure there are a couple useful things in the set but nothing too overpowering that anyone needs to get their panties in a wad about.Dont wanna pay for the cards? Fine.. pay the plat people are asking for the boosters on the broker for them then. As you said you want to work in game for the items.. well work for them! People obviously seen these boosters drop as you can see them for sale on the broker.. there is nothing stopping YOU from buying them with YOUR HARD EARNED PLAT!

[kenm]

<cite>Cadori Seraphim wrote:</cite><blockquote>The complaints in this thread are so rediculous it's actually sort of funny...  There is nothing in the loot card list that makes or breaks the game, or even makes it SO unfair to those that dont have them. They are fluff fun items. Sure there are a couple useful things in the set but nothing too overpowering that anyone needs to get their panties in a wad about.</blockquote>You've obviously never even killed a mob worthwhile if you think everything is a "fluff fun item".  15% power clicky?  Just a single healer having that in the raid can be the difference between a guild killing an avatar or them wiping to it while another guild goes and kills it right after.  Heck, even Wuoshi is a power fight with the power drain AOE.There is not even remotely a group or solo situation where power makes a difference, so okay, it's fluff there.  Yet in raiding, the incredibly long fights outcomes can be drastically affected by a mere 15% power.   I've wiped to mobs in the last 10% numerous times because healers finally exhaust their regen items and go OoP right near the end.How the heck is giving people willing to throw more money at SOE that kind of edge not exactly like station exchange?  Oh wait... that's <b>exactly</b> what it is.  Power clickies coming off of other raid mobs?  Fine, it takes effort and maybe a little skill to get that kind of edge.  Any [I cannot control my vocabulary] monkey can throw real life money at a card game, that's not skill, that's not effort.  That's them paying to have a handicap, in otherwords *buying success*.  GG.On another note, when can I pay SOE to buy laser goggles and run around one shotting epics?  It wouldn't affect other people!11

[Ealthina]

Just do what I do.  I loathe TCG's and sell the dumb packs for HUGE plat.  And they sell!

[Iseabeil]

<p>The only one Id call debatable would be the power one, and even that one is from my view and experience pretty much null. With the way servers behave these days, you will either be alone on a contested and thus the benefit of that extra power isnt crucial, yea ye might wipe it stinks but not the whole world, ye can always pulll again. OR, you will have 2 or more raids there, the lag will be insane, You will hear people's death screams whilst the whole raid is still in the green on your screen. Power isnt the enemy, the mob(s) isnt the enemy, the lag is. The day they add a loot card with '15% less lag for 5 minutes', then Ill cry foul.</p><p>(and yes, lag is really getting on my nerves *grins*)</p>