POF Goblin Bots

[Eddes]

<p>Saturday night, and many nights before I have been trying to finish off some quests over in the POF by the Gobby diviners, shamanites, banits etc...  guildies & I were literally getting our heads chopped off by some bots on flying carpets swooshing through and grabbing every possible goblin around.  By that i dont mean that they were attacking...they were litterally sitting on our heads with their carpets.</p><p>I say bots because i hope everyone with a guild named something like "Gfefji" and names that are impossible to say and dont respond to "Are you questing or just farming because we'd like to finish off our quests please...""Get off my head""Go away!"  It was one guy with 2 others on follow - somethings not right here! /unamused  From what I could tell there were 2 groups of them completely taking over that entire area and then some.</p><p>It was upsetting and annoying as hell to be in that same area only to get plagued by these carpet mongers again.    </p><p>Im sure other people have noticed.  Im sure this isnt the first time someone has vented about them.  Just looking to see if anyone else has felt my pain.</p>

[Rattfa]

If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mistletoes]

This is perhaps the most famous area I can think of for that kind of activity.

[DngrMou]

Petition them for zone dispruption.  Venting here on the boards will accomplish little, if anything.

[Eddes]

<cite>Youris@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Petition them for zone dispruption.  Venting here on the boards will accomplish little, if anything.</blockquote><p>Wasnt trying to accomplish anything - was just trying to hear others thoughts on it, thats all.  /calms Youris</p><p>I will petition next time Im out there but im assuming that will also accomplish nothing.  Thought maybe there was some exp secret for casters in that zone or something, or possibly that that guy was just being a &*$#&*.  </p>

[Eddes]

<cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Extremely tempting! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[sayitaintso]

<cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>Why is it that every time someone brings up these farmers someone on a PVP server says "if you played on PVP you could just kill them"  Well heres some news for ya....most of us DONT play on a PVP server....so most of us CANT kill them....well...there is a way, but it's against the rules so I wouldn't DARE tell anyone to drag 2-3 camps of other MOB to the farmers as they are AoEing the goblins...that would just be wrong..There is another way...SOE could just enforce the rules that THEY wrote and ban people who share accounts or monopolize content or disrupt zones...but apparently the rules were made to be broken....oh yeah...and not enforced..

[interstellarmatter]

I stopped going to those areas because of the farmers.  I stay mostly in the EoF/KoS in the level 50 to 60.  It's better not to get your blood pressure up.  Those guys farm those areas 24/7.

[melaine_dvarvensplitter]

Some of the known PoF runners are now spreading to EoF and such and it makes it harder and harder to get things done. Atm on AB, Barren Sky and TT are pretty much impossible to get mobs for writs and quests due to those who ran PoF previously being there.

[Norrsken]

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Why is it that every time someone brings up these farmers someone on a PVP server says "if you played on PVP you could just kill them"  Well heres some news for ya....most of us DONT play on a PVP server....so most of us CANT kill them....well...there is a way, but it's against the rules so I wouldn't DARE tell anyone to drag 2-3 camps of other MOB to the farmers as they are AoEing the goblins...that would just be wrong..There is another way...SOE could just enforce the rules that THEY wrote and ban people who share accounts or monopolize content or disrupt zones...but apparently the rules were made to be broken....oh yeah...and not enforced..</blockquote>I think most of us pvpers do that just because of the lovely and tingly feeling we get when we can get back at the bot crews that screwed up our gaming on the pve servers. Just makes you wanna tell others bout the fun I guess.

[terraxx]

<cite>Eddessa wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Saturday night, and many nights before I have been trying to finish off some quests over in the POF by the Gobby diviners, shamanites, banits etc...  guildies & I were literally getting our heads chopped off by some bots on flying carpets swooshing through and grabbing every possible goblin around.  By that i dont mean that they were attacking...they were litterally sitting on our heads with their carpets.</p><p>I say bots because i hope everyone with a guild named something like "Gfefji" and names that are impossible to say and dont respond to "Are you questing or just farming because we'd like to finish off our quests please...""Get off my head""Go away!"  It was one guy with 2 others on follow - somethings not right here! /unamused  From what I could tell there were 2 groups of them completely taking over that entire area and then some.</p><p>It was upsetting and annoying as hell to be in that same area only to get plagued by these carpet mongers again.    </p><p>Im sure other people have noticed.  Im sure this isnt the first time someone has vented about them.  Just looking to see if anyone else has felt my pain.</p></blockquote>I know exactly which "guild" you're talking about - I had to fight through those bots to get the names for the quest to get deeper in TOoLS.  Took [Removed for Content] forever.

[Rattfa]

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Why is it that every time someone brings up these farmers someone on a PVP server says "if you played on PVP you could just kill them"  Well heres some news for ya....most of us DONT play on a PVP server....so most of us CANT kill them....well...there is a way, but it's against the rules so I wouldn't DARE tell anyone to drag 2-3 camps of other MOB to the farmers as they are AoEing the goblins...that would just be wrong..There is another way...SOE could just enforce the rules that THEY wrote and ban people who share accounts or monopolize content or disrupt zones...but apparently the rules were made to be broken....oh yeah...and not enforced..</blockquote>But if you did....

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>melaine_dvarvensplitter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some of the known PoF runners are now spreading to EoF and such and it makes it harder and harder to get things done. Atm on AB, Barren Sky and TT are pretty much impossible to get mobs for writs and quests due to those who ran PoF previously being there. </blockquote><p>Actually, now that I think about it, you are right.  There are farmers starting to run around LP killing every mob in sight.  I went do a quest and this group would just zoom through the area grabbing every mob.  </p><p>Also, now that I think about it,  I haven't done any of the overland zones except for LP the other day.  Just group instances or raid zones.  Too fustrating to watch a group of 2 of 3 wizards fusion every mob in sight every few minutes.</p><p>I could of live with the spam.  The farmers are what is killing the game.  Yes..yes..we are all farmers.  But when the same group has been killing every mob in sight 24/7 in a zone that's zone disruption.  You can petition but it takes weeks to get rid of them.  By then, their replacements are ready to take over.</p>

[sayitaintso]

<cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Why is it that every time someone brings up these farmers someone on a PVP server says "if you played on PVP you could just kill them"  Well heres some news for ya....most of us DONT play on a PVP server....so most of us CANT kill them....well...there is a way, but it's against the rules so I wouldn't DARE tell anyone to drag 2-3 camps of other MOB to the farmers as they are AoEing the goblins...that would just be wrong..There is another way...SOE could just enforce the rules that THEY wrote and ban people who share accounts or monopolize content or disrupt zones...but apparently the rules were made to be broken....oh yeah...and not enforced..</blockquote>But if you did....</blockquote>Yes, if we did....but we don't so the point is sort of moot...I can't say it doesn't sound like fun though...

[sayitaintso]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>melaine_dvarvensplitter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some of the known PoF runners are now spreading to EoF and such and it makes it harder and harder to get things done. Atm on AB, Barren Sky and TT are pretty much impossible to get mobs for writs and quests due to those who ran PoF previously being there. </blockquote><p>Actually, now that I think about it, you are right.  There are farmers starting to run around LP killing every mob in sight.  I went do a quest and this group would just zoom through the area grabbing every mob.  </p><p>Also, now that I think about it,  I haven't done any of the overland zones except for LP the other day.  Just group instances or raid zones.  Too fustrating to watch a group of 2 of 3 wizards fusion every mob in sight every few minutes.</p><p>I could of live with the spam.  The farmers are what is killing the game.  Yes..yes..we are all farmers.  But when the same group has been killing every mob in sight 24/7 in a zone that's zone disruption.  You can petition but it takes weeks to get rid of them.  By then, their replacements are ready to take over.</p></blockquote>There are multiple groups of farmers on Guk monopolizing those goblins. 4 to 6 groups are pulling them over and over. If one group dies, the others take over those camps. They stage one group at the swiftriders camp. It's pretty obvious that they are all working as a team.

[melaine_dvarvensplitter]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>melaine_dvarvensplitter wrote:</cite><blockquote>Some of the known PoF runners are now spreading to EoF and such and it makes it harder and harder to get things done. Atm on AB, Barren Sky and TT are pretty much impossible to get mobs for writs and quests due to those who ran PoF previously being there. </blockquote><p>Actually, now that I think about it, you are right.  There are farmers starting to run around LP killing every mob in sight.  I went do a quest and this group would just zoom through the area grabbing every mob.  </p><p>Also, now that I think about it,  I haven't done any of the overland zones except for LP the other day.  Just group instances or raid zones.  Too fustrating to watch a group of 2 of 3 wizards fusion every mob in sight every few minutes.</p><p>I could of live with the spam.  The farmers are what is killing the game.  Yes..yes..we are all farmers.  But when the same group has been killing every mob in sight 24/7 in a zone that's zone disruption.  You can petition but it takes weeks to get rid of them.  By then, their replacements are ready to take over.</p></blockquote>I just keep using the /petition option as it's all we have atm as tools. I do agree with the why as one pvp'er put it.. sweet revenge when I was on pve. Also, me and a friend the other night was discussing the farmers killing the game as well.  Glad to see her and I aren't the only ones with this view. * I know if folks would stop buying the plat that would help as well, just soooooooooooooooooo many variables that SoE has to look at before they can ban those breaking the EULA. I give SoE support just wish it happened faster*

[Von Blood]

Was one in PoF the otherday, autocasting to pull orcs by the Clefts entrance, anything you brought near them they would start burning with their pet. So I started tagging mobs and they kept killing them for me. Free loot/exp.And then I wanted to try some three up's... on the way to the bot I got too beat up so I just let them try to solo it... they died, a few times, was totally accidental on my part.

[hobi]

i see this also on lucen delere it also happens withthe sandcrawler goblins people use from writs. but hasn't been as bad lately due several groups of us started observing these areas and we're consistantly  petitioning zone disruption.  it works well . not we see farmes there from time to time but  majority of them are regular players they are farming for an alt or themselves and if you ask will let one finish a quest or writ

[Cuz]

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rattface@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>If you played on a PvP server you could just kill them. Debuffing the tank or snipershotting the healer work quite nicely <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>Why is it that every time someone brings up these farmers someone on a PVP server says "if you played on PVP you could just kill them"  Well heres some news for ya....most of us DONT play on a PVP server....so most of us CANT kill them....well...there is a way, but it's against the rules so I wouldn't DARE tell anyone to drag 2-3 camps of other MOB to the farmers as they are AoEing the goblins...that would just be wrong..There is another way...SOE could just enforce the rules that THEY wrote and ban people who share accounts or monopolize content or disrupt zones...but apparently the rules were made to be broken....oh yeah...and not enforced..</blockquote>1- PvPers aren't nearly as annoying as that twit that always comes out saying that we're all farmers and that the only thing illegal is selling the plat. 2- They do enforce they're rules; however, <b>you</b> need to fill the petition exactly right or else they "won't understand" or simply put, won't give a crap. I'd love to see them <b>actively </b>enforce their rules instead of having us go on witch hunts that usually brings quite a bit of drama.

[Valsehna]

<p>It would seem that if a person was not mechanically capable of engaging 50 mobs and dragging them over to their little bot-team to mass slaughter, conditions might improve a bit for everyone else.</p><p>But, such persons were given free-reign to do so via this:</p><p>"Live Update #24: June 14, 2006 </p><p>*** Gameplay ***</p><p>- You are no longer limited to engaging 5 encounters."</p><p>It is a wholly disgusting environment in which to try to play and enjoy it, seeing that going on around you, or trying to complete quests with no mobs left standing.</p>

[Sunlei]

<p> They farm those status items, that you can see selling on the broker by the hundreds, everyday restocked from the goblin farmers. The farmers in barrensky clear that zone for those status items too.</p><p>If you see and check your brokers, the status items are a huge gold-mine.  I'm sure soe can see their server-side records in how many players buy platinum and then buy thousands of status items.</p><p>Note the post in 'test feedback' where the status items use will be restricted by guild lvl soon, or some such change. However people can still 'buy' their status points.</p><p>I would much prefer soe makes the status items NO TRADE and that would stop the RTM circle of buying status items and funding gold sellers-coffers.</p><p>Maybe if soe could stop that RL $ buying of status points both personal and guild-lvling..they can then put some nicer items on the status merchants.</p><p>Nothing for the farmers to 'farm' in kos and BS, wonder where farmers will move to next? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If they leave those status items tradeable those places will remain farmed forever.</p><p>It is not a good idea to nurf gameplay for real players to try to limit aoe numbers or whatever. just make the silly status items no trade or insta-points on looting.</p>

[katalmach]

<p>Just outpull them, and petition them if you're so inclined. It's really not that hard - they are far slower than any decent, human player; especially if you have friends with you, there shouldn't be any problem pulling faster than them. I just spent a week or two in PoF soloing and duoing with my swashbuckler, and while the "bots" were out in full force, I never once had trouble finishing any quests. In fact, thanks to their constant clearing of the goblin camps, the many named goblins in the area spawned frequently - much appreciated AA and loot for me!</p>

[Sunlei]

<cite>Possumu@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just outpull them, and petition them if you're so inclined. It's really not that hard - they are far slower than any decent, human player; especially if you have friends with you, there shouldn't be any problem pulling faster than them. I just spent a week or two in PoF soloing and duoing with my swashbuckler, and while the "bots" were out in full force, I never once had trouble finishing any quests. In fact, thanks to their constant clearing of the goblin camps, the many named goblins in the area spawned frequently - much appreciated AA and loot for me!</p></blockquote><p> I agree with you, the farmers are easy to outpull in both BS and the KOS goblin areas. True that the names are up a lot more frequently.</p><p>I think these zones are where regular players first see how those bot teams work, they see a totally cleared Barren sky and that shocks them into posting. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>This part of the world is well known as a farmer-fest. Unfortunately its also embarrassing to see firstly SOE making it much easier for them to farm by making them voraciously aggro and easy to pull hundreds at once, secondly by not altering their loot tables in any way and thirdly by doing nothing whatsoever to stop it.</p><p>Sandscrawlers are required for the Amulet of Swords of Ro questline and a few satellite quests. Its not an area with sparse mobs that nobody really cares about, Sandscrawlers are an integral part of the Desert of Flames quest series.</p><p>Why SOE have done absolutely nothing to stop this for <i>years</i> is puzzling in light of their supposed aggressive stance on farming. Difficult to reconcile it to be honest.</p>

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Possumu@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just outpull them, and petition them if you're so inclined. It's really not that hard - they are far slower than any decent, human player; especially if you have friends with you, there shouldn't be any problem pulling faster than them. I just spent a week or two in PoF soloing and duoing with my swashbuckler, and while the "bots" were out in full force, I never once had trouble finishing any quests. In fact, thanks to their constant clearing of the goblin camps, the many named goblins in the area spawned frequently - much appreciated AA and loot for me!</p></blockquote>Why should I have to?  These guys are obviously causing zone disruption..for the past 2 years.

[freeportalt]

Loaping plains is quickly becoming the gold seller farm toon place of choice, there the ones running a furry/ wizzy combo that grabing 20 mobs ata time and 4 min later doing it again. I have a 70 toon on three differnt servers and theres groups working all three of the servers im on,so im shure there prob on every server out the makeing gold for there web sites. Bot is not nessaraly the right term for these groups as they are manned bye a person 24/7 365 day of the year. 

[Tae]

People say you can kill the bots on PvP and sure, to a degree that's true. But both sides have bots, and unless you're an exile you can't kill all the bots. Some are Qeynosians, some are Freeporters. So they're still a disruption for us.

[liveja]

<p>I sure am glad I play on Mistmoore & never encounter these issues.</p><p>I feel for the rest of you who have to put up with it, tho.</p>

[Mistletoes]

Hey, wait... I just put 2 and 2 together. I think I've heard Flaye say in the past how he wasn't getting the sheer number of plat sell tells that others, myself included, were getting. And now, Flaye doesn't see the bot crews on his server. That kinda makes sense. If the bot crews are not present on Mistmoore, I guess they don't have all that plat to sell, and aren't sending the same mass of tells. So... Why is there no issue on Mistmoore? Just luck?

[Norrsken]

<cite>Mistletoes wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey, wait... I just put 2 and 2 together. I think I've heard Flaye say in the past how he wasn't getting the sheer number of plat sell tells that others, myself included, were getting. And now, Flaye doesn't see the bot crews on his server. That kinda makes sense. If the bot crews are not present on Mistmoore, I guess they don't have all that plat to sell, and aren't sending the same mass of tells. So... Why is there no issue on Mistmoore? Just luck?</blockquote>Might be some random fluke that people on mistmoore just doesnt buy plat so the plat sellers arent getting much sales done there.

[liveja]

<cite>Mistletoes wrote:</cite><blockquote>So... Why is there no issue on Mistmoore? Just luck?</blockquote><p>Well, that's a good question, one that has caused me to scratch my head several times. I've thought, for example, that maybe it's just my primary playing time, which is early mornings. But lately, I've been hanging with guildies in the later afternoon, & still not seeing all these issues, so I don't know.</p><p>I don't want to sound like there are NO farmers on Mistmoore; there are, & they're well known. I'm only saying that <b>I've</b> never been substantially bothered by them. Not in POF, not in LP, not anywhere.</p><p>Just the other day -- Saturday afternoon -- two guildies & I were in POF, doing Goblin quests. We saw ONE other group in the area, & it wasn't pulling every goblin in sight. We got updates, & would have easily finished Sandscrawler Studies except that one of the group didn't have enough play time left -- fiancee' & dog aggro, you know!</p><p>So yea, I don't want to discount the whole notion of bot-farmers disrupting zones. I'm only commenting on my own experiences on my own server, not anything else.</p>

[Illmarr]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Possumu@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just outpull them, and petition them if you're so inclined. It's really not that hard - they are far slower than any decent, human player; especially if you have friends with you, there shouldn't be any problem pulling faster than them. I just spent a week or two in PoF soloing and duoing with my swashbuckler, and while the "bots" were out in full force, I never once had trouble finishing any quests. In fact, thanks to their constant clearing of the goblin camps, the many named goblins in the area spawned frequently - much appreciated AA and loot for me!</p></blockquote>Why should I have to?  These guys are obviously causing zone disruption..for the past 2 years.</blockquote><p>Well, if presented with the choice of being morally offended and petitioning and waiting for SoE GM to investigate and boot the offenders, or petitioning and then using your superior skill to outplay a team of bots (And if you can't do that, then I have zero sympathy for you) are you really so passive and helpless you have to wait? I had zero issues as a solo Guardian in Mastercrafted armor out-pulling these teams for Sandscrawlers in SS for Writs, then in DoF for the quests there. Sure you have the moral high ground on the issue. Do you really want to totally paralyze yourself waiting for intervention to hold it, or do you want to actually get done what you need to?</p><p>Yeah, groups of farmers monopolizing content is bad and against the rules. But in my experience you can easily get what you need out from under them.</p>

[Andok]

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mistletoes wrote:</cite><blockquote>So... Why is there no issue on Mistmoore? Just luck?</blockquote><p>Well, that's a good question, one that has caused me to scratch my head several times. I've thought, for example, that maybe it's just my primary playing time, which is early mornings. But lately, I've been hanging with guildies in the later afternoon, & still not seeing all these issues, so I don't know.</p><p>I don't want to sound like there are NO farmers on Mistmoore; there are, & they're well known. I'm only saying that <b>I've</b> never been substantially bothered by them. Not in POF, not in LP, not anywhere.</p><p>Just the other day -- Saturday afternoon -- two guildies & I were in POF, doing Goblin quests. We saw ONE other group in the area, & it wasn't pulling every goblin in sight. We got updates, & would have easily finished Sandscrawler Studies except that one of the group didn't have enough play time left -- fiancee' & dog aggro, you know!</p><p>So yea, I don't want to discount the whole notion of bot-farmers disrupting zones. I'm only commenting on my own experiences on my own server, not anything else.</p></blockquote>I'm on Antonia Bayle, and the same goes for me.  I rarely ever see farming groups, but lots of people claim they are all over my server, disrupting entire zones.  It's not my playtime, because most people claim these guys are on 24/7.  I think the disparity of my experience and their claims is due to a little exaggeration.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm on Antonia Bayle, and the same goes for me.  I rarely ever see farming groups, but lots of people claim they are all over my server, disrupting entire zones.  It's not my playtime, because most people claim these guys are on 24/7.  I think the disparity of my experience and their claims is due to a little exaggeration.</blockquote>I'm on AB as well.  I had to "fight" them in PoF to get some quests done and I'm fighting with them now in LP to get quests done.  To be sure I don't see the massive marauding hordes of carpet-couching unpronouncables, but they are there and they are quite annoying.

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Ilmaaaaah@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Possumu@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just outpull them, and petition them if you're so inclined. It's really not that hard - they are far slower than any decent, human player; especially if you have friends with you, there shouldn't be any problem pulling faster than them. I just spent a week or two in PoF soloing and duoing with my swashbuckler, and while the "bots" were out in full force, I never once had trouble finishing any quests. In fact, thanks to their constant clearing of the goblin camps, the many named goblins in the area spawned frequently - much appreciated AA and loot for me!</p></blockquote>Why should I have to?  These guys are obviously causing zone disruption..for the past 2 years.</blockquote><p>Well, if presented with the choice of being morally offended and petitioning and waiting for SoE GM to investigate and boot the offenders, or petitioning and then using your superior skill to outplay a team of bots (And if you can't do that, then I have zero sympathy for you) are you really so passive and helpless you have to wait? I had zero issues as a solo Guardian in Mastercrafted armor out-pulling these teams for Sandscrawlers in SS for Writs, then in DoF for the quests there. Sure you have the moral high ground on the issue. Do you really want to totally paralyze yourself waiting for intervention to hold it, or do you want to actually get done what you need to?</p><p>Yeah, groups of farmers monopolizing content is bad and against the rules. But in my experience you can easily get what you need out from under them.</p></blockquote><p>That's not my point.  I know how to out pull them.  But I've seen people new to game join our guild and try to do t6 writs once hitting 50.  They get fustrated and can't believe that Sony allows it.</p><p>My point is that it's bad for the game's image to have all those bot groups running around disrupting zones.</p>

[Andok]

<cite>Leatherneck wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andok wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm on Antonia Bayle, and the same goes for me.  I rarely ever see farming groups, but lots of people claim they are all over my server, disrupting entire zones.  It's not my playtime, because most people claim these guys are on 24/7.  I think the disparity of my experience and their claims is due to a little exaggeration.</blockquote>I'm on AB as well.  I had to "fight" them in PoF to get some quests done and I'm fighting with them now in LP to get quests done.  To be sure I don't see the massive marauding hordes of carpet-couching unpronouncables, but they are there and they are quite annoying.</blockquote>Well [Removed for Content], that sucks.  Maybe I just play during their shiftchange. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />