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[Dama]

edit: I meant to post this on the Newbie forum, my bad mods dont ban me heheHi everyone, I wanted to type this and maybe get your thoughts on what you might think would be best. I could probably make the decision on my own, but before I actually do I wanted to ask you guys for your input on this simply because I havent been in the new EverQuest all that long and do not know the class specifics all that well, least not yet and most of you probably do, so of course your opinions are valuable to me.I currently play on Nagafen pvp server and I just bought the entire collection of EverQuest II along with all of its expansions. I played EverQuest I for around 5 years on Vallon Zek pvp server until it merged with the other pvp servers and became Zek pvp server. Soon after this happened I canceled and moved into Dark Age of Camelot where I pretty much played on Mordred pvp server since day 1 until a few weeks ago. I love EverQuest, always have and I am loving EverQuest II. My biggest problem with Nagafen pvp server is the server is old and everyone has there level 70's providing unlimited funds for the lower level "twinks" and with someone like me starting fresh, these named twinks are chewing me up on a regular basis. I love pvp, I loved it in the first EverQuest but the difference between then and now, is back then I started on day 1 with everyone else, here in EverQuest II I am not and fighting twinks is a no win situation for me. I see so many fights where one twink will attack a group of 5-6 and it will take that entire group seems like forever to kill the guy or even so they may even fail and the twink escapes after killing half the group. Just while ago I was doing a quest on my Templar and was camping a camp of mobs doing a kill x amount of these and went to use the restroom and was gone for just a sec and came back and I was dead from a twink. I relocated and went to do some other quests and was doing fine, I went to check the cake in the oven to see how close it was to being done and I come back and I see I was killed again by yet another twink. so yes it does get aggrevating and I am contemplating going to a pve so I can experience the entire game. Asking what you guys think would be better for me since I am new to the game I would value your opinions more than my limited knowledge. I will solo mostly (soloing is very important to me since alot of my time I cannot commit to long raids, least most of the time, SOMETIME I will have the time for group raiding), grouping on occasion. I want something I can experience the game with and actually get out and see the world and travel but at the same time it doesnt need to be useless in groups. Utility would prolly be important as well, I have always loved the type classes that heal, buff, summon food and water, pretty much self sufficient type classes. I was thinking along the lines of one of the healer hybrid classes such as a Druid class or a Shaman class. I think I have the most fun just soloing on Nagafen on my <b>Templar</b> - BUT, Templars do not have much utility and that kinda sucks for what I want to do, I love the plate armor, healing, nuking etc etc type class so I dunno. To bad Templars dont have Spirit of the Wolf, that would prolly do it for me in my choice of class to play because of the fine I am having with my Templar on Naggy server. PS: Sorry it got long and boring.edit: Thinking right now of going to Antonia Bayle. Not 100% sure yet, just looking at the heavy load of population its showing makes me wanna go there.

[stgninja]

Actually Nagafen is one of the newer servers and everyone started out fresh at one time and experienced the same pain as you.  Sounds like you would like life more on one of the PvE servers.  You can walk around and experience the game without having to worry about getting ganked, plus you would have a somewhat easier time soloing with your templar there.  Later in the levels you can buy SoW totems to help with your run speed.With all that only you can decide what is best for you.

[Ze]

<p>Welcome to Naggy!</p><p>What you want is a scout. No class (not scouts either) can safely fight a group of twinks - and groups of twinks you will face. But with track, evac, sneak and some movement enhancing, scouts can avoid most unwanted fights. Sure, hybrids are powerful in pvp and have the best chances of survival in a fight - but the point is, you want to be able to avoid fighting groups, because when you have 5 twinked out peeps beating on you, wearing plate rather than cloth or chain is not going to make much of a difference...  </p><p>Between all scouts, I have found that swashies/brigands are the best soloers. Rangers/assassins really suffer whenever you are in small spaces or fighting multiple mobs, while bards... I don't know, no offense to the bards out there, but SOE should do something about their soloability... In groups they are a great contribution, but alone, every kill takes forever.</p><p>Good luck.</p><p>Edit: I almost forgot... it gets better. The problems with twinked groups roaming around are specific to the teens and, albeit less, to the twenties. Once you get into the 30s you will almost miss the ganking. Almost. </p>

[Dama]

I never had problems with struggling with the others, but when the server started noone had level 70s financing low level twinks for 40-80plat worth of gear with epic mounts etc etc hehe. Its not the same thing now. As for me looking for input on classes, Im looking for people who have played certain classes to end game and soloed still with them.I want to play one of the "good" races so it would need to be a class a Fae can be since I prefer the Fae race hehe I like the Templar class but Im not sure if they have what it takes on into the higher levels to solo well with like the other Druid classes can. Thats where my problem is. Furys solo VERY well from what I have played and heard. Wardens close to Furys but a little weaker. Shaman classes I have no clue about.As for the guy posting about the Baggy server, I might retire my Templar even though I will hate it, I started on my Ranger some, he soloes pretty good and he has stealth and track which helps alot. Might keep working on my Templar there I dunno yet, its just so hard as a low level player. I just hit level 17, yea it took ALOT of work these last 7 levels because of the constant harrassment. I am in Gfay currently, not sure where else to go at level 17 on Nagafen server, I heard commonlands and Butcher Block were roungher than Gfay for solo leveling.

[wepps]

Twinks were never an issue with me in EQ. If they were within 6 levels of me they were dead. Simple as that.Level had more to do with victory than equipment ever did and I proved that on any number of occasions, in fact I only ever lost 1 duel (and I was level 1). There were always those that figured they were superior because of superior equipment, but they were just full of themselves in the end, all wind and smoke.Everquest was the only game I ever played where I found this to be the case. How it is in EQII, I don't know yet. I perceive equipment to be much more important here but I haven't truly tested those waters yet.I prefer EQs combat for this reason. Anything was possible, if you used your head. It's the only game where true tactics in an anything-goes environment won the day consistently.

[Dama]

You sir are in for a HUGE surprise then. I watched a Twinked Templar take on a full group of 6 players and kill 3 before he escaped. its not the same as EQ1 was sorry to say.

[Novusod]

If you like to pvp and also like to experience the game then you should come play on the VoX server. Lower population means you only have to fight when you go looking for one. If you go afk while camping you probably won't get killed by a twink. Also if you are lazy you can just buy a used T2 twink for $20 to $30 and not be at any disadvantage what so ever.

[Dama]

Well Im already on a pvp server, really dont want to go and totally restart all over again. It was hard enough the first time hehe. If I do restart itll be on a pve server I imagine.

[greenmantle]

<cite>Zerp wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Welcome to Naggy!</p><p>What you want is a scout. No class (not scouts either) can safely fight a group of twinks - and groups of twinks you will face. But with track, evac, sneak and some movement enhancing, scouts can avoid most unwanted fights. Sure, hybrids are powerful in pvp and have the best chances of survival in a fight - but the point is, you want to be able to avoid fighting groups, because when you have 5 twinked out peeps beating on you, wearing plate rather than cloth or chain is not going to make much of a difference...  </p><p>Between all scouts, I have found that swashies/brigands are the best soloers. Rangers/assassins really suffer whenever you are in small spaces or fighting multiple mobs, <b>while bards... I don't know, no offense to the bards out there, but SOE should do something about their soloability... In groups they are a great contribution, but alone, every kill takes forever.</b></p><p>Good luck.</p><p>Edit: I almost forgot... it gets better. The problems with twinked groups roaming around are specific to the teens and, albeit less, to the twenties. Once you get into the 30s you will almost miss the ganking. Almost. </p></blockquote>None taken but nice to see others recognise the problem <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> as for the op. if your life style requires being afk from time to time perhaps pve would be easier though even tehre you can think your safe duck afk and come back to find something nasty spawns in the quiet little corner.  Ab has  a healthy population but i wouldnt say its crowded , just avoid qeynos harmor if your system strugles a little.

[Dama]

nono dont get me wrong hehe I dont afk alot, it was just a couple of instances yesterday when it happened, just happened a few minutes ago lol seems like its always when I afk a twink runs up on me and ganks me.my luck eh? <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ze]

<p>Yea, I remember all the talk about how gear would not drive pvp in EQ2... yea, sure. Never, ever, have gear, equipment and spell upgrades been more important. It is really sad, but skill just seems to have no role. But that is a different thread... </p><p>Point being, pvp felt like it took much more skill in eq. I played on SZ from day one to almost the end (I retired right before the zek merge) and it sure felt like knowing what you were doing mattered much more. </p>

[Dama]

agreedI played Vallon Zek from day 1 until right after the server mergers into Zek. Twinking played a role in winning and losing but it was everything like it is in EQ2. EQ2 its all about whos got the money to sink into there super twinks and who doesnt. Those who can thrive, those who cannot .... well you get the picture.

[DngrMou]

<cite>Damaja wrote:</cite><blockquote>I love EverQuest, always have and I am loving EverQuest II. My biggest problem with Nagafen pvp server is the server is old and everyone has there level 70's providing unlimited funds for the lower level "twinks" and with someone like me starting fresh, these named twinks are chewing me up on a regular basis. I love pvp, I loved it in the first EverQuest but the difference between then and now, is back then I started on day 1 with everyone else, here in EverQuest II I am not and fighting twinks is a no win situation for me. </blockquote><p>The twinked bottom feeding that goes on is why I don't bother with PvP.  /shrug</p><p>IMO, this will eventually destroy EQII PvP entirely.</p><p>Come to AB, it's a great server, with an awesome population.  There are lots of noobs, lots of veterans, and tons of opportunity for new players.  If you get to missing the PvP aspects, just duel, or use the arena.</p>

[Luier]

<cite>Damaja wrote:</cite><blockquote>edit: I meant to post this on the Newbie forum, my bad mods dont ban me heheHi everyone, I wanted to type this and maybe get your thoughts on what you might think would be best. I could probably make the decision on my own, but before I actually do I wanted to ask you guys for your input on this simply because I havent been in the new EverQuest all that long and do not know the class specifics all that well, least not yet and most of you probably do, so of course your opinions are valuable to me.I currently play on Nagafen pvp server and I just bought the entire collection of EverQuest II along with all of its expansions. I played EverQuest I for around 5 years on Vallon Zek pvp server until it merged with the other pvp servers and became Zek pvp server. Soon after this happened I canceled and moved into Dark Age of Camelot where I pretty much played on Mordred pvp server since day 1 until a few weeks ago. I love EverQuest, always have and I am loving EverQuest II. My biggest problem with Nagafen pvp server is the server is old and everyone has there level 70's providing unlimited funds for the lower level "twinks" and with someone like me starting fresh, these named twinks are chewing me up on a regular basis. I love pvp, I loved it in the first EverQuest but the difference between then and now, is back then I started on day 1 with everyone else, here in EverQuest II I am not and fighting twinks is a no win situation for me. I see so many fights where one twink will attack a group of 5-6 and it will take that entire group seems like forever to kill the guy or even so they may even fail and the twink escapes after killing half the group. Just while ago I was doing a quest on my Templar and was camping a camp of mobs doing a kill x amount of these and went to use the restroom and was gone for just a sec and came back and I was dead from a twink. I relocated and went to do some other quests and was doing fine, I went to check the cake in the oven to see how close it was to being done and I come back and I see I was killed again by yet another twink. so yes it does get aggrevating and I am contemplating going to a pve so I can experience the entire game. Asking what you guys think would be better for me since I am new to the game I would value your opinions more than my limited knowledge. I will solo mostly (soloing is very important to me since alot of my time I cannot commit to long raids, least most of the time, SOMETIME I will have the time for group raiding), grouping on occasion. I want something I can experience the game with and actually get out and see the world and travel but at the same time it doesnt need to be useless in groups. Utility would prolly be important as well, I have always loved the type classes that heal, buff, summon food and water, pretty much self sufficient type classes. I was thinking along the lines of one of the healer hybrid classes such as a Druid class or a Shaman class. I think I have the most fun just soloing on Nagafen on my <b>Templar</b> - BUT, Templars do not have much utility and that kinda sucks for what I want to do, I love the plate armor, healing, nuking etc etc type class so I dunno. To bad Templars dont have Spirit of the Wolf, that would prolly do it for me in my choice of class to play because of the fine I am having with my Templar on Naggy server. PS: Sorry it got long and boring.edit: Thinking right now of going to Antonia Bayle. Not 100% sure yet, just looking at the heavy load of population its showing makes me wanna go there.</blockquote><p>In my opinion, PvP kills a good mmorpg!  The best thing is that the devs have seperated the two gameplay styles so that everyone gets want they want.  </p><p>Call me a carebear I dont care, the fact is that I have more fun questing with my guildmates, raiding with guildmates, and developing my toon, than I have ever had PvPing. I don't care if you have perfected your combat skills against other players, good for you (i'm using the word YOU in a general way, not talking to anyone in particular) but I feel as if its a waste of time.</p><p>Even if you have played and exceled in PvP in other mmorpgs, I would not suggest a pvp server for an eq2 noob. Play on a "normal" server, get the feel of the game, find out where everything in the game is located.....Then after you are comfortable, roll a pvp toon.</p><p>FYI, on the pvp servers you get looted when you die so keep your coins in the bank! </p>

[Dama]

yea I figured out the hard way about losing coin from pvp deaths hehe I wasnt paying attention and kept noticing after a while I didnt have any coin. Sucked but I learned eventually.

[tass]

if you want to pvp play naggy. Dont let anyone bs you the ven has... well lets not talk about them, and vox is about dead with everyone running like hell to naggy.Now to twink, which you'll have to do to play, you want to collect armor and jewelry via treasured legendary or fabled from farming crap, and sell it on the broker for gold or plat. Thankfully the game hasn't gone so haywire like eq1 that things cost 100k plat or more for a piece of crap armor but im sure it will get there.Next up are shines. Collect em by the dozens and sell em on the broker worth alot of gold. Finnaly are your rares if you want to spend the time harvesting with a possible [Removed for Content] kicking from a gank squad. Doing those things will get you cash quick so you can start off by buying good master crafted gear (mages usually go for stats but ur a plate guy so wont go into that) and then you can begin your survival.Oh and their are 2 types of pvp sort of on pvp servers or at least naggy. You have locked, and trying to reach endgame. End game is a [Removed for Content] to get to as leveling past 50 is slow and the 70's that always complain about locking are probably waiting for you up there.Locking is basically locking at some level (most people so it in teir 2 (10 to 19) or tier 3 (20 to 25) mostly because thats where the majority of the server stays at and works at making themselves close to gods and go out and beat the hell outa each other.Oh ya and if you go pve chose a more populated server like butcher block. A good many servers are lacking population, or just lacking anything below 60.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Zerp wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yea, I remember all the talk about how gear would not drive pvp in EQ2... yea, sure. </p></blockquote>I remember them saying there would be no PVP in EQ2.