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ZachBos

09-07-2007, 12:31 AM

Here's a couple of quotes from John Smedley about LoN from a MMOG Nation interview. MN: Are the booster packs going to be sellable via the in-game economy? Smedley: Actually no. One of the things we’re doing is making it so that you can’t sell any of these cards. That would be problematic for us. There would be some legal issues around that. MN: Will players be able to trade? Smedley: No. Otherwise we’ll get into a situation where the gold sellers will get into this, and we’re going to stop that cold. .Here's the entire interview.<a href="http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/03/john-smedley-interview-on-legends-of-norrath/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://www.mmognation.com/2007/08/0...nds-of-norrath/</a>Either they changed their minds, or the fact that they did what they said they would not do is a mistake and they'll correct it soon.--Maxx

retro_guy

09-07-2007, 12:37 AM

I blame Brad

Silverpaws

09-07-2007, 01:27 AM

Starter packs are running for 15-40plat on Mistmoore right now. Thats 50 card starter decks. Not boosters. This needs to be killed now. Since there is no requirement to actually do anything but pay 9.99 at best buy, this is a huge income maker for those trying to buy and sell plat in game. Im tempted to just activate an account to trade some starter decks to myself, lol. But I would feel kinda dirty. Cards should be traded in the card game itself, not sold on the market. When you add a plat value to anything like this, those looking for a quick buck will jump at the chance.

Mikeyb_71

09-07-2007, 01:31 AM

<cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>I blame Brad</blockquote>Uh -huh......like brad was involved in LU13?

retro_guy

09-07-2007, 04:11 AM

<cite>Mikeyb_71 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>retro_guy wrote:</cite><blockquote>I blame Brad</blockquote>Uh -huh......like brad was involved in LU13?</blockquote>Brad is basically the root of ALL evil.

Tristan3000

09-07-2007, 05:01 AM

I hope that thread reminds you that -- despite the fan faire deception and the pseudo-buddy-like prattle -- SOE is not your friend; they just want to make money out of us naive addicted fools.

BarrowBott

09-07-2007, 10:43 AM

<cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope that thread reminds you that -- despite the fan faire deception and the pseudo-buddy-like prattle -- SOE is not your friend; they just want to make money out of us naive addicted fools.</blockquote>LOL, yes, and don't forget that the lunar landing was faked, JFK was killed by the US government and flu shots are actually mind control drugs that cause you to buy more christmas gifts.

Bramwe

09-07-2007, 10:45 AM

<cite>BarrowBottum wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hope that thread reminds you that -- despite the fan faire deception and the pseudo-buddy-like prattle -- SOE is not your friend; they just want to make money out of us naive addicted fools.</blockquote>LOL, yes, and don't forget that the lunar landing was faked, JFK was killed by the US government and flu shots are actually mind control drugs that cause you to buy more christmas gifts.</blockquote>I knew it...

Woody67

09-07-2007, 11:00 AM

Is there a difference in the card packs you loot vs. the card packs you buy from the LoN store? If you cannot sell the Store bought packs on the broker, would that help the situation somewhat?

Saroc_Luclin

09-07-2007, 11:07 AM

Booster packs (and Starter packs and Starter bundles) are tradeable in game as long as they dropped off a mob. You can NOT buy a starter or a booster from the station store and then sell it in EQII or EQ; it goes directly to your LoN account and never sees the EQ games. Really the quoted part of the interview seems like a miscommunication. The interviewer asked about booster packs and Smedley answered about cards. Individual cards (including Loot cards) never see the EQ games, and the redeemed loot card items are strictly no-trade. (though the products of the recipes of those notrade items can be traded apparently)

Aurumn

09-07-2007, 11:09 AM

<cite>ZachBos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's a couple of quotes from John Smedley about LoN from a MMOG Nation interview. MN: Are the booster packs going to be sellable via the in-game economy? Smedley: Actually no. One of the things we’re doing is making it so that you can’t sell any of these cards. That would be problematic for us. There would be some legal issues around that.</blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*

liveja

09-07-2007, 11:20 AM

<cite>ZachBos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Either they changed their minds</blockquote>I'd say they probably changed their minds, because, if you think about it, stopping players from trading cards would make a trading card game kinda pointless.

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 11:34 AM

<cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*</blockquote>Do the packs that you buy from the LoN store ever end up in your characters inventory? If they do not, how can you get them to the broker? If they keep them separate then there is no way that people can sell for plat what they purchased with real money.

StormCinder

09-07-2007, 11:37 AM

yeah, I agree that there seems to be some confusion regarding cards vs packs.However, I don't understand why they are tradeable as packs. Cool, you want to generate interest by dropping the packs...but making them tradeable in-game (EQ2) created a problem (or the appearance of a problem...I'm not really sure what THE problem is).The packs drop off random MOBs as additional loot. Sell 'em, give 'em away, destroy 'em. No harm, no foul. BTW, I've seen the prices they're SELLING for, but does anyone know of anyone who has actually PURCHASED a pack at those prices? Getting a drop like that and selling it at those prices is as good as hitting the Gigglegibber number!SC

Norrsken

09-07-2007, 11:50 AM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*</blockquote>Do the packs that you buy from the LoN store ever end up in your characters inventory? If they do not, how can you get them to the broker? If they keep them separate then there is no way that people can sell for plat what they purchased with real money.</blockquote>Packs you buy in the LoN store ends up in the LoN client, and doesnt come anywhere near your EQ/2 toons. Dropped packs in EQ/2 can be traded and sold ingame until someone uses em to get the cards. That takes them out of EQ/2 circulation and puts them in LoN.

Tristan3000

09-07-2007, 01:33 PM

<cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ZachBos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's a couple of quotes from John Smedley about LoN from a MMOG Nation interview. MN: Are the booster packs going to be sellable via the in-game economy? Smedley: Actually no. One of the things we’re doing is making it so that you can’t sell any of these cards. That would be problematic for us. There would be some legal issues around that.</blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*</blockquote>These quibbles do not alter the fact that they lied to us (period).

Norrsken

09-07-2007, 01:35 PM

<cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ZachBos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's a couple of quotes from John Smedley about LoN from a MMOG Nation interview. MN: Are the booster packs going to be sellable via the in-game economy? Smedley: Actually no. One of the things we’re doing is making it so that you can’t sell any of these cards. That would be problematic for us. There would be some legal issues around that.</blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*</blockquote>These quibbles do not alter the fact that they lied to us (period).</blockquote>what I remember from the post FF threads were that boosters were gonna drop and probably be tradable, individual cards werent.

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 01:52 PM

<cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do the packs that you buy from the LoN store ever end up in your characters inventory? If they do not, how can you get them to the broker? If they keep them separate then there is no way that people can sell for plat what they purchased with real money.</blockquote>Packs you buy in the LoN store ends up in the LoN client, and doesnt come anywhere near your EQ/2 toons. Dropped packs in EQ/2 can be traded and sold ingame until someone uses em to get the cards. That takes them out of EQ/2 circulation and puts them in LoN.</blockquote>This was my belief when I made my prior post, however, it is mentioned earlier in the thread that the starter decks are somehow making it to the broker. How is this possible? Are starter decks from the game going to character inventories while booster packs bought from the store are not? Or can you now place items on the broker that are not in your character's inventory when it comes to LoN items? I haven't looked at the broker on my server since LoN came out so I cannot verify anything right now. That, and I'm stuck at work at the moment.

Kenban

09-07-2007, 02:14 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do the packs that you buy from the LoN store ever end up in your characters inventory? If they do not, how can you get them to the broker? If they keep them separate then there is no way that people can sell for plat what they purchased with real money.</blockquote>Packs you buy in the LoN store ends up in the LoN client, and doesnt come anywhere near your EQ/2 toons. Dropped packs in EQ/2 can be traded and sold ingame until someone uses em to get the cards. That takes them out of EQ/2 circulation and puts them in LoN.</blockquote>This was my belief when I made my prior post, however, it is mentioned earlier in the thread that the starter decks are somehow making it to the broker. How is this possible? Are starter decks from the game going to character inventories while booster packs bought from the store are not? Or can you now place items on the broker that are not in your character's inventory when it comes to LoN items? I haven't looked at the broker on my server since LoN came out so I cannot verify anything right now. That, and I'm stuck at work at the moment.</blockquote>Both starter and booster packs drop in EQ/EQ2. All packs that are on the traders are dropping on your server and have not been redeemed into LoN yet.All of the FAQ's and comments from fan faire said the in game drops would be tradeable on the broker/bazaar so I see where the surprise is here. The prices will settle down at some point (I doubt ANYONE is buying right now anyways).

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 02:52 PM

<cite>Kenban wrote:</cite><blockquote>Both starter and booster packs drop in EQ/EQ2. All packs that are on the traders are dropping on your server and have not been redeemed into LoN yet.All of the FAQ's and comments from fan faire said the in game drops would be tradeable on the broker/bazaar so I see where the surprise is here. The prices will settle down at some point (I doubt ANYONE is buying right now anyways). </blockquote>Figured that out about the starter decks when I went to the official LoN forums. So, then it stands to reason that none of the purchased packs are winding up on the broker.

liveja

09-07-2007, 03:07 PM

<cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>These quibbles do not alter the fact that they lied to us (period).</blockquote>Apparently, the possibility that they simply changed their minds didn't occur to you.

sayitaintso

09-07-2007, 03:58 PM

LOL I have been saying this for YEARS....SOE makes games for one reason....not to be your friend, not to entertain you....but to MAKE MONEY...many of you have deluded yourselves into thinking that SOE lives to serve it's players and the only reason they make games is that so it's players have something to do...well open your eyes and look around...it's a product for profit, just like cars, computers and DVDs...if they can't make a profit, they won't do it...the card game is just another way to make money, and this time they have found a way to sell IN GAME items for real cash profit...they are no better than the plat sellers in many ways...

Cadori Seraphim

09-07-2007, 03:58 PM

Yes, facts do not alter your version of the truth.

sayitaintso

09-07-2007, 04:01 PM

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote>These quibbles do not alter the fact that they lied to us (period).</blockquote>Apparently, the possibility that they simply changed their minds didn't occur to you.</blockquote>After playing SOE games for 8+ years they certainly seem to have a history of "changing their minds"....Sure seems like a bit misleading to me..

StormCinder

09-07-2007, 04:01 PM

So, if they're not being purchased by anyone in-game, and they're random addtional drops from any green+ MOB, and it's a game that you don't have to play, I come back to...What exactly IS the problem???Don't fear change.SC

liveja

09-07-2007, 04:03 PM

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>After playing SOE games for 8+ years they certainly seem to have a history of "changing their minds"....</blockquote>Yes, they do. Big deal. It's their game, & they can change it as they see fit, & the rest of us deal with the change, or don't.I fail to see the issue here, unless it's one for people who are determined to find issues about which to rant & complain.

sayitaintso

09-07-2007, 04:22 PM

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>After playing SOE games for 8+ years they certainly seem to have a history of "changing their minds"....</blockquote>Yes, they do. Big deal. It's their game, & they can change it as they see fit, & the rest of us deal with the change, or don't.I fail to see the issue here, unless it's one for people who are determined to find issues about which to rant & complain.</blockquote>Before LON went live you were on record as having "issues" with the similarity of this game to RMT. You have such changed your mind for your own reasons, the fact remains the game does promote in game items for real money transfer...That's exactly how SOE changes their mind...the facts don't change, only the reasoning behind the change have...if they said the cards were not going to be sold in game then "changes their minds" it still does not make it right...and the fear that the gold sellers would exploit the cards sales has in fact come true...meaning that SOE really doesn't care that they have farmers that exploit the game...in fact it could be easily extrapilated that they did it knowing it would happen and perhaps even condone it...

BarrowBott

09-07-2007, 04:37 PM

<cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>After playing SOE games for 8+ years they certainly seem to have a history of "changing their minds"....</blockquote>Yes, they do. Big deal. It's their game, & they can change it as they see fit, & the rest of us deal with the change, or don't.I fail to see the issue here, unless it's one for people who are determined to find issues about which to rant & complain.</blockquote>Before LON went live you were on record as having "issues" with the similarity of this game to RMT. You have such changed your mind for your own reasons, the fact remains the game does promote in game items for real money transfer...That's exactly how SOE changes their mind...the facts don't change, only the reasoning behind the change have...if they said the cards were not going to be sold in game then "changes their minds" it still does not make it right...and the fear that the gold sellers would exploit the cards sales has in fact come true...meaning that SOE really doesn't care that they have farmers that exploit the game...in fact it could be easily extrapilated that they did it knowing it would happen and perhaps even condone it...</blockquote>LON has been live for EXACTLY 2 days.My question to you is: What DON'T plat farmers exploit in the first couple days after they are introduced into the game.The value of these packs will normalize within a few weeks, once more people start to get them.

sayitaintso

09-07-2007, 04:41 PM

<cite>BarrowBottum wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>sayitaintso wrote:</cite><blockquote>After playing SOE games for 8+ years they certainly seem to have a history of "changing their minds"....</blockquote>Yes, they do. Big deal. It's their game, & they can change it as they see fit, & the rest of us deal with the change, or don't.I fail to see the issue here, unless it's one for people who are determined to find issues about which to rant & complain.</blockquote>Before LON went live you were on record as having "issues" with the similarity of this game to RMT. You have such changed your mind for your own reasons, the fact remains the game does promote in game items for real money transfer...That's exactly how SOE changes their mind...the facts don't change, only the reasoning behind the change have...if they said the cards were not going to be sold in game then "changes their minds" it still does not make it right...and the fear that the gold sellers would exploit the cards sales has in fact come true...meaning that SOE really doesn't care that they have farmers that exploit the game...in fact it could be easily extrapilated that they did it knowing it would happen and perhaps even condone it...</blockquote>LON has been live for EXACTLY 2 days.My question to you is: What DON'T plat farmers exploit in the first couple days after they are introduced into the game.The value of these packs will normalize within a few weeks, once more people start to get them.</blockquote>OR SOE could have released it the way they initially intended and there would be no issues with gold farmers. None...but they didn't, just like they have done nothing to stop plat buyers to shut down the plat sellers, or done nothing to stop the harvest BOTs by making the nodes spawn in random places in the zone...

Sartredes

09-07-2007, 04:48 PM

From the F.A.Q. on the <a href="http://legendsofnorrath.station.sony.com/faq.vm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Legends of Norrath website</a>: What are the guidelines for trading unneeded loot cards, cards and packs? <ul><li>You can get packs and promo cards from global drops in both EverQuest and EverQuest II </li><li>You can trade any individual Legend of Norrath card or pack in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Loot card in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Legends of Norrath item (pack/promo) that you get as a drop on the broker equivalent in EQII/EQ. </li><li>You CANNOT trade any redeemed or /claimed loot item. </li></ul>Seems clear enough.

Saroc_Luclin

09-07-2007, 04:52 PM

And you have 1 interview that indicates that what we see is NOT how it was originally intended, and even that interview isn't all that clear due to the change of terminology between the question and response (Booster vs cards). Meanwhile every other words people have heard about LoN since it was announced made it clear boosters would drop in game and would be tradeable. In other words, it seems like the majority of the evidence we have is that they always intended for in-game dropped boosters to be tradeable. It's more likely Smedley simply misunderstood the intention of the question, or had something else in mind from what was really said. Wouldn't be the first time a leader misspoke/misunderstood a question and it won't be the last. (Just ask Bush about the Austrian troops Australia has been supplying, according to his speech at the recent OPEC conference in Sydney, AUS)

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 04:53 PM

<cite>Sartredes wrote:</cite><blockquote>From the F.A.Q. on the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://legendsofnorrath.station.sony.com/faq.vm" target="_blank">Legends of Norrath website</a>:What are the guidelines for trading unneeded loot cards, cards and packs? <ul><li>You can get packs and promo cards from global drops in both EverQuest and EverQuest II </li><li>You can trade any individual Legend of Norrath card or pack in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Loot card in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Legends of Norrath item (pack/promo) that you get as a drop on the broker equivalent in EQII/EQ. </li><li>You CANNOT trade any redeemed or /claimed loot item. </li></ul>Seems clear enough.</blockquote>Yup, you cannot buy a pack through LoN then turn around and sell it on the broker. So, no real opening for plat farmers to exploit this at all.

Saroc_Luclin

09-07-2007, 04:55 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sartredes wrote:</cite><blockquote>From the F.A.Q. on the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://legendsofnorrath.station.sony.com/faq.vm" target="_blank">Legends of Norrath website</a>:What are the guidelines for trading unneeded loot cards, cards and packs? <ul><li>You can get packs and promo cards from global drops in both EverQuest and EverQuest II </li><li>You can trade any individual Legend of Norrath card or pack in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Loot card in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Legends of Norrath item (pack/promo) that you get as a drop on the broker equivalent in EQII/EQ. </li><li>You CANNOT trade any redeemed or /claimed loot item. </li></ul>Seems clear enough.</blockquote>Yup, you cannot buy a pack through LoN then turn around and sell it on the broker. So, no real opening for plat farmers to exploit this at all.</blockquote>Read more carefully. You can NOT buy through the LoN store and then sell what you bought on the EQ/EQII servers.

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 05:14 PM

<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><blockquote> </blockquote>Yup, you cannot buy a pack through LoN then turn around and sell it on the broker. So, no real opening for plat farmers to exploit this at all.</blockquote>Read more carefully. You can NOT buy through the LoN store and then sell what you bought on the EQ/EQII servers.</blockquote>Notice the part of MY text I made real big...so, maybe you should read more carefully, or do I need to explain what LoN and "broker" means in this context?

Nocifer Deathblade

09-07-2007, 06:15 PM

I personally was surprised to see that LON boosters drops in-game was not no-trade. It was freely traded packs. I clearly remembered what Smed said about combating plat farmers and said "cards" as not tradeable as well. Look at lon icon as cards, yet, its a booster. I think he meant cards as packs in that statement. If he really want to combat plat farmers then booster packs gotta be not tradeable in EQ1/EQ2.. Only way for them to be tradeable is within LON client only..

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 06:20 PM

<cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote>I personally was surprised to see that LON boosters drops in-game was not no-trade. It was freely traded packs. I clearly remembered what Smed said about combating plat farmers and said "cards" as not tradeable as well. Look at lon icon as cards, yet, its a booster. I think he meant cards as packs in that statement. If he really want to combat plat farmers then booster packs gotta be not tradeable in EQ1/EQ2.. Only way for them to be tradeable is within LON client only..</blockquote>Purchased packs are not tradeable on the broker, dropped packs are. There is no way I can think of that this introduces a new revenue stream for plat sellers outside of the fact they have new loot to put on the broker. Purchased packs and the broker on the servers will never cross paths. You cannot buy a booster pack for real money and sell it on the broker.

crumpledmonkey

09-07-2007, 06:40 PM

<cite>Saroc_Luclin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sartredes wrote:</cite><blockquote>From the F.A.Q. on the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://legendsofnorrath.station.sony.com/faq.vm" target="_blank">Legends of Norrath website</a>:What are the guidelines for trading unneeded loot cards, cards and packs? <ul><li>You can get packs and promo cards from global drops in both EverQuest and EverQuest II </li><li>You can trade any individual Legend of Norrath card or pack in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Loot card in the LON client. </li><li>You can trade any UNREDEEMED Legends of Norrath item (pack/promo) that you get as a drop on the broker equivalent in EQII/EQ. </li><li>You CANNOT trade any redeemed or /claimed loot item. </li></ul>Seems clear enough.</blockquote>Yup, you cannot buy a pack through LoN then turn around and sell it on the broker. So, no real opening for plat farmers to exploit this at all.</blockquote>Read more carefully. You can NOT buy through the LoN store and then sell what you bought on the EQ/EQII servers.</blockquote>ok so u buy a pack from lon store. you get a warg card nice haul cool. wait i cant sell what i bought on the eq2 servers. wrong i spam chat that i have warg card someone says i want that card he gives me 50plt in eq2 game then we go to lon client because we wernt given a choice that we wanted it everybody has it. then trade warg card in lon client. yes individual cards cant be traded in eq2 but u can get around that easy enough.

infa

09-07-2007, 07:06 PM

<cite>crumpledmonkey wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>ok so u buy a pack from lon store. you get a warg card nice haul cool. wait i cant sell what i bought on the eq2 servers. wrong i spam chat that i have warg card someone says i want that card he gives me 50plt in eq2 game then we go to lon client because we wernt given a choice that we wanted it everybody has it. then trade warg card in lon client. yes individual cards cant be traded in eq2 but u can get around that easy enough.</blockquote>with all due respect, players going around the system to do something is not the same as soe endorsing it or allowing it.that's like saying that since people can (and do) drive over the speed limit, the goverment really supports speeding. or that since you can pay a website for plat and have it delivered in game, soe supports plat purchasing (non-exchange here, people)or any number of other ridiculous examples

Zaldor

09-07-2007, 07:13 PM

<cite>crumpledmonkey wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>ok so u buy a pack from lon store. you get a warg card nice haul cool. wait i cant sell what i bought on the eq2 servers. wrong i spam chat that i have warg card someone says i want that card he gives me 50plt in eq2 game then we go to lon client because we wernt given a choice that we wanted it everybody has it. then trade warg card in lon client. yes individual cards cant be traded in eq2 but u can get around that easy enough.</blockquote>This would hold more weight if you could buy the worg card directly through the LoN store. You are starting to split hairs to justify your vapid hate of SOE.

StormCinder

09-07-2007, 10:12 PM

<cite>Zaldor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>crumpledmonkey wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>ok so u buy a pack from lon store. you get a warg card nice haul cool. wait i cant sell what i bought on the eq2 servers. wrong i spam chat that i have warg card someone says i want that card he gives me 50plt in eq2 game then we go to lon client because we wernt given a choice that we wanted it everybody has it. then trade warg card in lon client. yes individual cards cant be traded in eq2 but u can get around that easy enough.</blockquote>This would hold more weight if you could buy the worg card directly through the LoN store. You are starting to split hairs to justify your vapid hate of SOE.</blockquote>A) Still no verification that people are paying those prices (selling at those prices, yes...buying...no person has admitted)B) I can't imagine trusting someone to go through those hoops with my 50plat. Certainly not someone with a lvl70 toon wearing newbie armor with a name like "dgfahakj". Still not seeing the advantage to plat sellers. Or is this thread simply about parsing a statement a developer made about software that was not completed yet? Hmm...is that the first time that has happened?I'm obviously dense...I STILL don't see what the big deal is here. SC

liveja

09-07-2007, 10:20 PM

Cuz

09-08-2007, 12:45 AM

If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?

StormCinder

09-08-2007, 12:50 AM

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.

Cuz

09-08-2007, 12:53 AM

<cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.</blockquote>You can't trade boosters in LoN anymore?

ke'la

09-08-2007, 05:10 AM

<cite>Tristan3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Aurumn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ZachBos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here's a couple of quotes from John Smedley about LoN from a MMOG Nation interview. MN: Are the booster packs going to be sellable via the in-game economy? Smedley: Actually no. One of the things we’re doing is making it so that you can’t sell any of these cards. That would be problematic for us. There would be some legal issues around that.</blockquote>**Holds up devil's advocate sign**I read the article and one little sticking point, well "stuck out" to me. Smed said that we can't sell the "cards" (ie: individual cards). If you want to break it down literally, he didn't say that unopened boosters and decks couldn't be traded or sold outside of the client. Individual cards would only be tradeable inside LoN. I see this as, Player A who has no interest in playing LoN can sell the "junk booster packs" he loots on the broker to Player B who does play LoN. However, Player A cannot sell one of those warg mount cards to Player B unless he enters the LoN Client. Just my observation. *edit: mind you, this still leaves a money machine for the plat sellers to exploit. .*</blockquote>These quibbles do not alter the fact that they lied to us (period).</blockquote>No where did they Lie, they have ALWAYS said that Booster Packs, Starter Decks, et'al that DROP IN GAME will be tradable. What Smed said here was that you can't TRADE CARDS in game wich you can't, you also can't trade packs in EQ2 once they have been transfered to LoN(though you still can trade them IN LoN).

ke'la

09-08-2007, 05:29 AM

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.</blockquote>You can't trade boosters in LoN anymore?</blockquote>That is a trade outside of EQ2 wich has now changed that from an In game Trade to a RMT and you CAN GET BANNED FOR IT. See the differance? No, how about this.SoE sees that you gave player <realplayer name> 12p and you get nothing in return(EQ2 can't see what is happening in LoN), this flags your account as that size of a transfer for no product is suspicous. A GM then looks at the transaction and sees that the money was not given to an Alt of yours, your flagged again. You then comence a simlar trade with someone else, you are now Banned as a plat mule. Why? because there is nothing in EQ2 that shows you got anything for your 12p.

Giral

09-08-2007, 05:32 AM

i think what people mean by Plat farmers getting LON cards as drops is : Plat farmer's Farm all day 24 hours a day X 365 days + 100's of accounts = Plat Farmers For the winCasual player x play's eq2 for 2 hours a day and has an absolutly random chance at geting a loot card, so that means he might get one on his first kill or he might not get one for months if they ever get one at all(dont know What the chance of a LON drop is ON live 1 in 8 mobs ? 1 in 50 ? 1 in 500 ?) looking at it like a Lottery it would be :Plat farmer's buying 1000's of tickets a day on Each character and player x buying 50 tickets a day i would put my Money on the Plat farmer's geting the drop First and not only the drop but Multiple drops and player x Might not see a drop for a long long long long time .. the other thing is people say " Wait for the NEwness to wear off and the prices will drop" .... Until the Next wave of Uber L33T Cards come down the SOE PIPE line .... "Winged Gryphen FLy around Norath with 100 % Flight speed incease" <<---- nah i dont see the prices coming down i see them going UP UP up the longer the game is played becuase in a Game you need RISK vs REWARD, Nobodies going to waste Real life money to continue to play LON if the rewards dont kepp getting better and better, the warg will be popular for a month or so will SOE just let LON die off ? : ) Hehehe i highley doubt it , New better rewards for risking them in a game, or trading them for cards you want or getting Lots of Plat for a booster pack for a chance at the " Wise Dragon Card = allows you to purchase 1 item from broker for free, all costs of the item will be paid out of the Wise Dragon's Gold Horde" <--- thing is you will never know what booster packs have the Gold dragon or the warg, or the gryphon , but as the Rweards get better and better then the Cost to have a chance at randomly getting lucky off the broker keep's going UP Look at the Gigglegoblin game ? lol it's been over 400,000 Plat how many times ? and that's Just people tryin to Win some plat , now you Truely have people gambling for some real Good In-game Item's , is anybopdy Buying those Cards ? I'll bet my Barbarian's Behind they are : P

Giral

09-08-2007, 05:32 AM

ke'la

09-08-2007, 05:51 AM

<cite>Giralus wrote:</cite> <blockquote> think what people mean by Plat farmers getting LON cards as drops is : Plat farmer's Farm all day 24 hours a day X 365 days + 100's of accounts = Plat Farmers For the winCasual player x play's eq2 for 2 hours a day and has an absolutly random chance at geting a loot card, so that means he might get one on his first kill or he might not get one for months if they ever get one at all(dont know What the chance of a LON drop is ON live 1 in 8 mobs ? 1 in 50 ? 1 in 500 ?) looking at it like a Lottery it would be :Plat farmer's buying 1000's of tickets a day on Each character and player x buying 50 tickets a day i would put my Money on the Plat farmer's geting the drop First and not only the drop but Multiple drops and player x Might not see a drop for a long long long long time .. the other thing is people say " Wait for the NEwness to wear off and the prices will drop" .... Until the Next wave of Uber L33T Cards come down the SOE PIPE line .... "Winged Gryphen FLy around Norath with 100 % Flight speed incease" <<---- nah i dont see the prices coming down i see them going UP UP up the longer the game is played becuase in a Game you need RISK vs REWARD, Nobodies going to waste Real life money to continue to play LON if the rewards dont kepp getting better and better, the warg will be popular for a month or so will SOE just let LON die off ? : ) Hehehe i highley doubt it , New better rewards for risking them in a game, or trading them for cards you want or getting Lots of Plat for a booster pack for a chance at the " Wise Dragon Card = allows you to purchase 1 item from broker for free, all costs of the item will be paid out of the Wise Dragon's Gold Horde" <--- thing is you will never know what booster packs have the Gold dragon or the warg, or the gryphon , but as the Rweards get better and better then the Cost to have a chance at randomly getting lucky off the broker keep's going UP Look at the Gigglegoblin game ? lol it's been over 400,000 Plat how many times ? and that's Just people tryin to Win some plat , now you Truely have people gambling for some real Good In-game Item's , is anybopdy Buying those Cards ? I'll bet my Barbarian's Behind they are : P </blockquote>First, plat farmers already get Real uber gear, Adepts, Masters, and other iteams that sell on the brocker for lots of plat. Second, the people that PLAY LoN will NOT be wanting bigger and better loot cards in order to keep them paying money, they will want bigger and better LoN GAME cards(you don't buy the latest MTG cards for the promo card you buy it to keep up with the other MTG players, same will hold true with LoN, saying you are buying the cards just for the loot card is like buying EoF for the Pet Clockwork to the LoN player).As for the EQ2 keeping up with the Jones player yeah they may want the next New hottness, but consitering you can get just as good an Iteam in game as are available from LoN loot cards I would say those people will buy whatever loot card comes out from the next LoN set no matter how good or bad it is.

Giral

09-08-2007, 09:17 AM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Giralus wrote:</cite> <blockquote> think what people mean by Plat farmers getting LON cards as drops is : Plat farmer's Farm all day 24 hours a day X 365 days + 100's of accounts = Plat Farmers For the winCasual player x play's eq2 for 2 hours a day and has an absolutly random chance at geting a loot card, so that means he might get one on his first kill or he might not get one for months if they ever get one at all(dont know What the chance of a LON drop is ON live 1 in 8 mobs ? 1 in 50 ? 1 in 500 ?) looking at it like a Lottery it would be :Plat farmer's buying 1000's of tickets a day on Each character and player x buying 50 tickets a day i would put my Money on the Plat farmer's geting the drop First and not only the drop but Multiple drops and player x Might not see a drop for a long long long long time .. the other thing is people say " Wait for the NEwness to wear off and the prices will drop" .... Until the Next wave of Uber L33T Cards come down the SOE PIPE line .... "Winged Gryphen FLy around Norath with 100 % Flight speed incease" <<---- nah i dont see the prices coming down i see them going UP UP up the longer the game is played becuase in a Game you need RISK vs REWARD, Nobodies going to waste Real life money to continue to play LON if the rewards dont kepp getting better and better, the warg will be popular for a month or so will SOE just let LON die off ? : ) Hehehe i highley doubt it , New better rewards for risking them in a game, or trading them for cards you want or getting Lots of Plat for a booster pack for a chance at the " Wise Dragon Card = allows you to purchase 1 item from broker for free, all costs of the item will be paid out of the Wise Dragon's Gold Horde" <--- thing is you will never know what booster packs have the Gold dragon or the warg, or the gryphon , but as the Rweards get better and better then the Cost to have a chance at randomly getting lucky off the broker keep's going UP Look at the Gigglegoblin game ? lol it's been over 400,000 Plat how many times ? and that's Just people tryin to Win some plat , now you Truely have people gambling for some real Good In-game Item's , is anybopdy Buying those Cards ? I'll bet my Barbarian's Behind they are : P </blockquote>First, plat farmers already get Real uber gear, Adepts, Masters, and other iteams that sell on the brocker for lots of plat. Second, the people that PLAY LoN will NOT be wanting bigger and better loot cards in order to keep them paying money, they will want bigger and better LoN GAME cards(you don't buy the latest MTG cards for the promo card you buy it to keep up with the other MTG players, same will hold true with LoN, saying you are buying the cards just for the loot card is like buying EoF for the Pet Clockwork to the LoN player).As for the EQ2 keeping up with the Jones player yeah they may want the next New hottness, but consitering you can get just as good an Iteam in game as are available from LoN loot cards I would say those people will buy whatever loot card comes out from the next LoN set no matter how good or bad it is.</blockquote>well i dont think it's an issue of keeping up with the joneses , i myself would like to get the Loot card that shrink's me to 50% of my size : ) , i don't want it to be in competition with anybody , i just think it would be FUN to see and play my Barbarian in tiny mode : ) , i tried the cardgame and had some fun fiddling with it, but meh it's realy not my cup of tea, so if i happen to get a drop and the card is in there cool, if i never get the item it's no big deal either Yes Plat farmer's already do know how to work the game to make a profit, and SOE know's this, and is the reason people thought you wouldn;t be able to trade Anything IN-game, yes you could get LON drop's but they would be LORE NO -Trade . and Most Fabled item's in the Game are LORE NO Trade, and i think that a 50 % run Speed armoured warg is Almost Equal to Dhume : <img src="http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y299/hot_firebird/DHUME.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="944" height="932" /> __________________<img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b327/Nihulis0ne/EQ2_000196.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="1024" height="768" />the top Warg Dhume is a drop off an Endgame Name mob, the Bottom Warg is a pretty common Supposedly rare drop.so Ke'la you were saying : "but consitering you can get just as good an Iteam in game as are available from LoN loot cards" and on that i have to beg to differ, how many Casual player's will be taking on an Endgame Name anytime soon ? How many People in-game ATM have a Dhume and how many have a Pale armor albino warg ?Now i know ROK is coming, and i Know that there are New mount's coming, and even better run speed's that will make both of the above obsolete. but i think the Above Picture's show that LON Reward's are pretty [Removed for Content] good : ), better then my 48 % run speed mount that costed me 21plat,450,000 status Hehehe love my Blue saddlednightmare and wouldn't trade it for that flea riddled waste of pixels i have no problem with LON personaly, i think some of the Art work on the Card's is Outstanding /two thumbs Way up to the Art team that created the LON art work , They Definitly Captured the HIGH Fantasy aspect of the everquest realm( well most of the cards some of them look like things i might have drawn : ) and i have spent over an hour just looking at the cards, BUT i think the LON card's should never be something that is Equal to a nearly unobtainable item that is currently IN-game just becuase someone bought a 3 Dollar booster packlike everything else in EQ2 , LON need's better Itemization in the future to be more equal in rewards that are actualy easilier(is easilier a word : ) obtained then a endgame raid that requires the top raiding guilds in the game to beat , yeah the Warg is more Fluff(or Fluffiesk) but pound for pound that is a very close comparison of how good of a Card that is and its not even a very Rare card .lastly , i solo/group/raid , i don;t know of ANy soloable quest line in the game that gives out any reward's that are 1/10 as good as the LON cards, i think the SOLO player base of eq2 makes up a very sizable chunk of the game, but yet instead of adding item's like these for a SOLO quest line that would be = to a Claymore quest line ( and you wouldn;t be able to group for any part's of this quest line, no you dont have to do it all in one sitting, you just cant work on it wyle grouped) ateast solo player's might get a lucky and get a booster drop with a reward, but i think they are and i myself am looking for some truely intersting solo quest's that have item's like the 50 % reduced size cloak, Unremarkable crate etc,,,, something of an Equal nature to those would be FINE since they arent Game breaking and you would know the person actualy worked for that reward , cloaks could be difffrent patterns or colors, like the above warg is albino to set it Vastly apart from other wargs

Guy De Alsace

09-08-2007, 12:07 PM

Stop me here if I'm not making any sense, but why would plat farmers be farming mobs that drop something that has a finite real world value?Booster packs are $3.99 on the Sony store so anything they find in the game can never be worth more than $3.99 of bought plat. As far as I know there's no such artificial limits on any other items in the game the farmers may be out to put on the broker. Maybe they are out there now because they simply havent realised its pretty pointless farming for an item that a) any mob can drop with an equal chance and b) has limited value.The irrational hatred of SOE is getting old too. Yes they want to make money but also yes they love the game, many play EQ2 themselves and dont want to see it go down the tubes. Its a tough market, any avenue for keeping afloat has to be explored. If SOE wanted to cynically make money out of us they could just raise the sub and save all the development and implementation costs of a game like LoN.

Cuz

09-08-2007, 01:25 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.</blockquote>You can't trade boosters in LoN anymore?</blockquote>That is a trade outside of EQ2 wich has now changed that from an In game Trade to a RMT and you CAN GET BANNED FOR IT. See the differance? No, how about this.SoE sees that you gave player <realplayer name> 12p and you get nothing in return(EQ2 can't see what is happening in LoN), this flags your account as that size of a transfer for no product is suspicous. A GM then looks at the transaction and sees that the money was not given to an Alt of yours, your flagged again. You then comence a simlar trade with someone else, you are now Banned as a plat mule. Why? because there is nothing in EQ2 that shows you got anything for your 12p.</blockquote>Really? Banned for being a plat mule? That's just silly.

hobi

09-08-2007, 01:30 PM

the answer to your question is there are players that are dumb enough to spend the outrageous amount of plat charged for booster packs due to they don't relieze for that amount of plat it is cheaper to just buy the card from soe store and the plat sellers are banking on this.

Cadori Seraphim

09-08-2007, 02:54 PM

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.</blockquote>You can't trade boosters in LoN anymore?</blockquote>That is a trade outside of EQ2 wich has now changed that from an In game Trade to a RMT and you CAN GET BANNED FOR IT. See the differance? No, how about this.SoE sees that you gave player <realplayer name> 12p and you get nothing in return(EQ2 can't see what is happening in LoN), this flags your account as that size of a transfer for no product is suspicous. A GM then looks at the transaction and sees that the money was not given to an Alt of yours, your flagged again. You then comence a simlar trade with someone else, you are now Banned as a plat mule. Why? because there is nothing in EQ2 that shows you got anything for your 12p.</blockquote>Really? Banned for being a plat mule? That's just silly.</blockquote>I doubt they could ban people for choosing to give someone alot of plat. I myself had a friend quit and give me alot of plat since he was not going to play anymore. That does not make him a plat seller. Another example would be a guildie wanting to buy a master and the guild leader helping guildie by giving him plat to get it. This also does not make the player a plat seller.The logic seemed simple enough but is flawed in many ways.

NiteWolfe

09-08-2007, 10:56 PM

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>StormCinder wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote>If I were to give you 12 plat, and as a "thank you" you were to give me a booster pack, would that be illegal? Now what if you don't have one so you buy one for 3$, is that legal? See how close that line gets?</blockquote>If you buy it, you can't give it to me.If you looted it, and want to sell it to me for 12 plat...no prob.</blockquote>You can't trade boosters in LoN anymore?</blockquote>That is a trade outside of EQ2 wich has now changed that from an In game Trade to a RMT and you CAN GET BANNED FOR IT. See the differance? No, how about this.SoE sees that you gave player <realplayer name> 12p and you get nothing in return(EQ2 can't see what is happening in LoN), this flags your account as that size of a transfer for no product is suspicous. A GM then looks at the transaction and sees that the money was not given to an Alt of yours, your flagged again. You then comence a simlar trade with someone else, you are now Banned as a plat mule. Why? because there is nothing in EQ2 that shows you got anything for your 12p.</blockquote>Really? Banned for being a plat mule? That's just silly.</blockquote> I sure hope not since oen of my accounts is a mule account ( broker mules) ( tradeskill mules) ( transmuters) and so on and regulary transfer large sums of plat to my other accounts with nothing returned to them. Did not know i was breaking soe rules by useing a account just for my mules. My broker mule is even level 2 is all is anon unguiled and has a random generater name. Basicly so my mains dont have to put up with tells from players that feel they need to haggle with me over my prices and hes been that way for years.

Emo

09-09-2007, 02:12 AM

who ever started this thread i have a comment i think packs boosters and decks droped via in game mobs should totally be sellable via the broker all though pople are pricing these way to high atm they worth 10 plat a deck and 3 a booster anyways thats my input