Lack of a standard parser settings

[suroktheslayer5]

I've been reading the wizzy forums since the game came out and one thing that has constantly bugged me is that people throw around these dps numbers left and right without a set standard on how the parser acquires the log. To compare dps numbers from different parsers settings is comparing apples and oranges.  On many occasion I've gone on pick up raids and a parser someone had running was radically different from mine. I would parse in 1500 range on my parser and they would get 2400.I also distrust the numbers people post on the forum, it's quite easy to set the settings of a parser to favor your casting method. When people say "oh i was parsing 4k and the zerker was parsing 2k" I have to call bs. I'm a wizzy of some skill and experience and people posting parses in the plus 3k range is not possible imho...at least according to how I have my parser set.I've also seen how if you're in a strong dps raid everyone parses higher. So to compare equal parser settings but person A was in a crap pick up raid and person B was in a strong dps raid, person B's dps will reflect a higher dps.The way I have my parser set is that encounter begins for everyone on the pull and the ranking is listed on damage done to the mob. If you do the most damage to the mob from beginning to end then you will rank the highest on my dps parser. I distrust parser settings that activate once the individual raider begins attacking. If that was the case then I'll just cast fusion or Ice Nova once per pull and nothing else to get highest parse...that doesn't serve your raid very well.In the end what counts is your relative standing within the raid itself. Thoughts?<img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b344/suroktheslayer/Suroksig.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Dextera]

<cite>suroktheslayer5 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been reading the wizzy forums since the game came out and one thing that has constantly bugged me is that people throw around these dps numbers left and right without a set standard on how the parser acquires the log. To compare dps numbers from different parsers settings is comparing apples and oranges.  On many occasion I've gone on pick up raids and a parser someone had running was radically different from mine. I would parse in 1500 range on my parser and they would get 2400.I also distrust the numbers people post on the forum, it's quite easy to set the settings of a parser to favor your casting method. When people say "oh i was parsing 4k and the zerker was parsing 2k" I have to call bs. I'm a wizzy of some skill and experience and people posting parses in the plus 3k range is not possible imho...at least according to how I have my parser set.I've also seen how if you're in a strong dps raid everyone parses higher. So to compare equal parser settings but person A was in a crap pick up raid and person B was in a strong dps raid, person B's dps will reflect a higher dps.The way I have my parser set is that encounter begins for everyone on the pull and the ranking is listed on damage done to the mob. If you do the most damage to the mob from beginning to end then you will rank the highest on my dps parser. I distrust parser settings that activate once the individual raider begins attacking. If that was the case then I'll just cast fusion or Ice Nova once per pull and nothing else to get highest parse...that doesn't serve your raid very well.In the end what counts is your relative standing within the raid itself. Thoughts?<img src="http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b344/suroktheslayer/Suroksig.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="432" height="223" /></blockquote>Well, I use default settings except a 3s end-of-combat, and my numbers almost always match everyone else who's parsing in the guild. For you to say that parsing in the 3k range isn't possible as a Wizard (without end-game gear) is rediculous. I've got numerous parses that say otherwise. If you'd like to compare settings, I'd hapily do that as well.

[SacDaddy420]

I do mess around with my parser alot.  I have come up with something i dont think i'll change for awhile now:Set up to end only after 3 sec of -no- combat action from anyone.  This is for mass pulls  ( Which I do on my zerker alot  =)  )  Raid:  (duration)  total damage | extDPS    name4         extDPS | % of total damage    name4         extDPS  |  % of total damageand so on.......keep in mind it -should- always be extDPS.   This could account for the variances you have witnessed in others' parses.   They may have it set on just DPS

[simpwrx02]

Most people that I have spoken with about parseing all use the default start method which I believe is as soon as any combat is recorded in your logs, then it is set to end 3 seconds after combat. All of the actual dps should be in extdps as just dps is totally inaccurate meanig I could wait until the Mob has 10% life left and cast fucion and get a smoking 4k parse, but only do 15-30K damage. Also the higher the dps raid you are in the more comfortable you are dropping your biggest spells sooner and gettign to recast them multi times per fight. Personally my highest single fight DPS was around 7300 back in DT about a year ago, had really high AoE dps raid force I cast firestorm that crited follwed by free hand fusion that crited on the herioc trap worms. On normal encounters I am nromally sitting around 1800-2200 with a troub spiking to close to 3k and zone wide is normally 1800+ depending which zone, MMiS I am normally 2100ish before mayong and 1750ish after Mayong( my guild takes a while to kill him still 10-20 minutes as we have a wide variety of accounts and every one is trying to get thier SoD rewards).I am lackign a lot of the top end gear and still wear about 60% KoS gear, one more piece of EoF fabled and I will get the 5 set bonus and actually wear them as my dps gear. I can easily see the 3K+ ZW on an avatar geared wizzy, but just hittign a 3k parse is not all that hard, hittign 3k ZW takes gear and a well oiled raid force that has spent a lot of time perfecting thier play styles. Easy way to hit 3k on single target group set you wiz/troub/templar/warlock/necro/necro the necros dont really give you any thing, woudl be better with a illy but then 3k is cake. anyways cast frigid gift, troub casts PotM, and templar casts Divine Recovery you are procing at least 1k+ with every spell for 20+ seconds and have well over 50% cast haste for that time. I normally hit 2800-3200 single targets when this happens as do the necros, the warlock is only hitting 1800-2600 as his warlock just became his main and he still needs some masters and a lot more gear. On some AoE encounters when we have our first choice MT and OT I easily hit 3-4K.

[enrond]

<p>3k plus zonewide parses in EoF zones like FTH's are definately possible for a wizard.</p><p>3/4 of my guild is running parsers and they are all usually within a hundred or two.</p><p>/shrug</p>

[Lakespookie]

<p>please refer to my signature have a pleasant day</p><p>2 things that should be looked at when comaring parses a only zonewides matter and they better be at least 30 minutes long</p><p>B look at the spread from the diffrent caracters thats the true thing you should look at. given raid dps flucuations that can occure do to diffrent classes being or not being in the raid.</p>

[IllusiveThoughts]

<p>It comes down to preferance.</p><p>I put most of my parsings on just DPS, but (and its a big but) I also always include total damage and sorted by total damage, along with encounter duration.</p><p>That way if you dont like my choice of posting in dps, you can back into ext dps via total damage and encounter duration yourself and compare.</p><p>I've always done this since I started raiding.  There is a reason for it.  People who are trigger happy and dont wait for dps calls will always parse higher on ext dps parses, and posting parses of ext dps to the trigger happy raid leads to agro bouncing early on as the classes compete to beat each other.</p><p>showing dps helps to emilinate that over ext dps.  because if everyone sat there for 8-10 seconds waiting for the mt to build up enough hate to go balls to the walls, and counting the 8-10s pull time, its imho more of a true representation of a classes personal dps.</p><p>The argument about doing one nuke at the end for massive dps spike on a personal dps parser is moot when total damage is shown in the same parse.</p><p>As I said it just comes down to preferance.  </p>

[Creyzee]

<p>I just use the default for ACT. </p><p>Since people are posting things that might make your numbers not match someone else's on the raid here are 2 other things to keep in mind.</p><ol><li>Death - Yours and the other people posting parses on your raid.</li><li>Distance - If you are way back at max range you might not be picking up all the damage being done to the mob. However that brigand that is up close and personal will be. So, look at the class of the others that are posting numbers and how close they are to the mobs.</li></ol><p>98% of the time my numbers are pretty close to the ones posted by the designated parse poster in the raid. Every now and then someone else will post theirs in the channel if they are really different. Most of the time it is because of one of the 2 reasons I listed above. </p><p>If you are not hitting as high as you think you should be, try taking a closer look at the raid make up, not just your group. Do you have at least one brigand dispatching the mob? That alone makes a big difference. I wouldn't assume that others are posting bogus numbers or tweaking their settings to make them look their best.</p>