Testing the new Spell changes

[rabid.pooh]

<p>So I thought I would do a test on test (go figure) on what the new spell damage change looks like for us.  I did this with my GF who plays an illusionist.  This is only a one off, and the overall DPS zonewide should not really be looked at, as sometimes I'll run from group to group to keep deathmarch up lower our parse.  I'm using the average damage.  Heading off to work so I'll post more later.</p><p>the first number after the spell is regular server, the 2nd is test</p><p>Allies: (15:36) 2372732 | 2534.97 [Toesmash-Pestilent Touch-9493]</p><p>Toes |  1392.84 | 1381.04</p><p>Mala |  1137.00 | 1373.20</p><p>Task |  5.13 | 106.80</p><p>Test parseAllies: (15:41) 2424481 | 2576.49 [Toesmashx-Pestilent Touch-7338]</p><p>Toes |  1298.85 | 1393.63</p><p>Mala |  1218.59 | 1524.86</p><p>ToesUnending Misery avg,  356.41  => 389.00Grim strike   848.36 => 867.75Tap    1722.6 => 1639.59Dynaism   535.79  => 540.Voracious Soul   301.9  => 344.70Pestilence Damage  262.35  => 262.16putride coil   321.06 => 350.45death circle   327.27 => 332.34barbed guard   82.12 => 83.15caress feedback  80.54 => 79.63Divine Light   1235.5 => 1231.17Agony    576.53 => 598.00  Abomindable wrath  2194.5 => 2200.4Unholy Strike   396.53  => 423.64Legoninnaires Smite  768.02  => 804.3Smash    381.77  => 386.8Pariah's Brand   136.01 => 137.47Burning Affliction  734.43  => 714.26Insidious Promise  189.59  => 177.43Abdomable Anger  1009.79 => 1187.63Joust    334.69 => 408.45Harnessed Power of the Curse  214.49 => 202.52Fitzpitzle's Necromatic Restoration 445.73 => 440.73Pestilent Touch  9493 => 7338.00 (one crit, one didn't)Hammer Ground   237.36 => 230.9fetid smite   246.74 => 242.33 Drain Vitae   908.14 => 1020.06Doom Judgement   454.36 => 456.64Beguliging Siphon  244.6 => 244.5Venomouse Slam   344.40  => 333.17Sky Cleave   319.29 => 311Corrosive Strik  360.5 => 467.25Crushing Anvil   300.5 => 262.5</p><p>IllusionitPrismatic Shock  1254.27 => 1373.6Shimmering Beam  943.16  => 1164.4Solar Shower   640.41 => 668.02Dynamism   567.59 => 594.00Ultraviolet Storm  297.65 => 303.22Brain Clot   694.93  => 710.5Abolish Hope   446.12 => 572.86Tumor    1293.69 => 1489.19Brainburst   411.06 => 463.4char    581.65 => 602.76Burning afliction  746.88 => 759.62Grizzlefazzles rage  562.33 => 586Master Strike   3218.67 => 3310.67Thule's Temper   546.23 => 526.41construct of reason  248.56 => 287.24Disparaging affliction  274.9 =>  282.06construct of reason's Strict Order 498.79  => 479Migraine   828.00 => 792.00thermal Shock   550.75 => 577.00Nullying Staff   301.00  Voracious Sould  293.00</p>

[Wytie]

We crit alot so it will be very hard to get a good average to compair IMO

[rabid.pooh]

<p>A foot note, tests were done in the exact same gear config.  She had +290 spell damage, and I had +285 spell damage.</p><p> We do crit 69% of the time, so there is some randomness there.  However you can see that does average out, things that I can crit that aren't effected like carress, grim strike, Burning affliction by the spell damage modification are within +/- 25 of each other.  Thats why I choose to do a zone, to get a better average.</p><p>I plan on doing this test several more times to even out even more of the randomness.  The numbers higher on the list are the most reliable as they were the abilities used the most.</p>

[Harduc]

so overall, the change to +spell damage does very little for us it seems

[CHIMPNOODLE.]

<p>Looks like modest gains overall. Kinda what I expected. </p>

[AziBam]

I think it looks good.  To me, the point of this buff wasn't what does it do for my personal dps on the SK.  It is about a buff that helps raise the overall caster dps in the raid.  I like what this shows.  I'm mostly raiding on my Illusionist these days and I'd be thrilled with several hundred points of increased damage from having an SK around. 

[Harduc]

<p>Am I reading the numbers right?</p><p>Sk 1.392,84 => 1.381,04 = -0,85 % increaseSk 1.298,85 => 1.393,63  = 7,30 % increaseIllu 1.137,00 => 1.373,20 = 20,77 % increaseIllu 1.218,59 => 1.524,86 = 25,13 % increase </p>

[DMIstar]

Not to dis it.. compareing overall between two classes on Test and Live is fine. But compareing spell increases between two classes needs a ton more information to begin to see whats going on.Cast timers was a big part in how much Dmg spells where getting on the live servers.. So compareing two spells without compareing the cast timers and the break down is a bit misleading.. as well as crits are not a definate thing thats going to accurr, I know it would be nice to do my current high on Pestilent Touch all the time.. but that wont happen ;P Takeing base damages without the crits will get you more information overall on the increases.

[Wytie]

an easy way to do it might be respec outs INT for testing perposes and along with no debuffs dono

[rabid.pooh]

<cite>Bloodravenger@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Not to dis it.. compareing overall between two classes on Test and Live is fine. But compareing spell increases between two classes needs a ton more information to begin to see whats going on.Cast timers was a big part in how much Dmg spells where getting on the live servers.. So compareing two spells without compareing the cast timers and the break down is a bit misleading.. as well as crits are not a definate thing thats going to accurr, I know it would be nice to do my current high on Pestilent Touch all the time.. but that wont happen ;P Takeing base damages without the crits will get you more information overall on the increases. </blockquote><p>The cast timers are the same, as the buffs and the gear are the same.</p><p>It's really the number of hits (or times I/she cast the spell that's important).  But one zone parse does not establish whats going on in the least, we did two more runs and I'll post the numbers later tonight, maybe we'll get another run in to make the numbers more meaningfull.</p><p>Right now, I think this just gives us a very broad and loose interpretation of what's going on.</p>

[DMIstar]

Your not getting it ;PTake a spell on live.. Lets say adomible Wrath.. has 1.45 cast time with say 100spell dmg increase.. It will gain 50 dmg (estimateing and to lazy to go back to old posts for formula)Now Take Illusionists spell. Has .25 cast time. with 100 spell damage increase.. It will gain 25dmg from .Now On Test remove the normalization formula .. and compare the increases directly Sk Spell will gain in 50dmg and Illusionists spell will gain in 75dmg ... and this is what your seeing only.. Your not seeing the original gains aka what i posted before this paragraph ;P

[rabid.pooh]

<cite>Ramir@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Am I reading the numbers right?</p><p>Sk 1.392,84 => 1.381,04 = -0,85 % increaseSk 1.298,85 => 1.393,63  = 7,30 % increaseIllu 1.137,00 => 1.373,20 = 20,77 % increaseIllu 1.218,59 => 1.524,86 = 25,13 % increase </p></blockquote><p>No, the parse is really unrealiable here as to much of it is given to how many mobs I pulled, did one sit back and cast on us, and take longer to get to me thus screwing up my numbers.  Did I pull the next group before the parse ended... etc.  First number after our names is extDps, and the second number is DPS.</p><p>The numbers that should be looked at are the numbers after the spell name.  They are presented in order of greatest amount of damage for the zone.</p>

[rabid.pooh]

<p>Okay we did 4 runs, and here's the parses for all the zones</p><p>Allies: (15:36) 2372732 | 2534.97 [Toesmash-Pestilent Touch-9493]</p><p>Toes |  1392.84 | 1381.04</p><p>Mala |  1137.00 | 1373.20</p><p>Task |  5.13 | 106.80</p><p>Test parseAllies: (15:41) 2424481 | 2576.49 [Toesmashx-Pestilent Touch-7338]</p><p>Toes |  1298.85 | 1393.63</p><p>Mala |  1218.59 | 1524.86</p><p>ToesUnending Misery avg,  356.41  => 389.00Grim strike   848.36 => 867.75Tap    1722.6 => 1639.59Dynaism   535.79  => 540.Voracious Soul   301.9  => 344.70Pestilence Damage  262.35  => 262.16putride coil   321.06 => 350.45death circle   327.27 => 332.34barbed guard   82.12 => 83.15caress feedback  80.54 => 79.63Divine Light   1235.5 => 1231.17Agony    576.53 => 598.00  Abomindable wrath  2194.5 => 2200.4Unholy Strike   396.53  => 423.64Legoninnaires Smite  768.02  => 804.3Smash    381.77  => 386.8Pariah's Brand   136.01 => 137.47Burning Affliction  734.43  => 714.26Insidious Promise  189.59  => 177.43Abdomable Anger  1009.79 => 1187.63Joust    334.69 => 408.45Harnessed Power of the Curse  214.49 => 202.52Fitzpitzle's Necromatic Restoration 445.73 => 440.73Pestilent Touch  9493 => 7338.00 (one crit, one didn't)Hammer Ground   237.36 => 230.9fetid smite   246.74 => 242.33 Drain Vitae   908.14 => 1020.06Doom Judgement   454.36 => 456.64Beguliging Siphon  244.6 => 244.5Venomouse Slam   344.40  => 333.17Sky Cleave   319.29 => 311Corrosive Strik  360.5 => 467.25Crushing Anvil   300.5 => 262.5</p><p>IllusionitPrismatic Shock  1254.27 => 1373.6Shimmering Beam  943.16  => 1164.4Solar Shower   640.41 => 668.02Dynamism   567.59 => 594.00Ultraviolet Storm  297.65 => 303.22Brain Clot   694.93  => 710.5Abolish Hope   446.12 => 572.86Tumor    1293.69 => 1489.19Brainburst   411.06 => 463.4char    581.65 => 602.76Burning afliction  746.88 => 759.62Grizzlefazzles rage  562.33 => 586Master Strike   3218.67 => 3310.67Thule's Temper   546.23 => 526.41construct of reason  248.56 => 287.24Disparaging affliction  274.9 =>  282.06construct of reason's Strict Order 498.79  => 479Migraine   828.00 => 792.00thermal Shock   550.75 => 577.00Nullying Staff   301.00  Voracious Sould  293.00</p><p>Sept. 4</p><p>Allies: (15:24) 2284511 | 2472.42 [Malana-Master's Strike-4133]</p><p>Mala |  1241.18 | 1558.22</p><p>Toes |  1231.23 | 1294.26</p><p>Mala |  0.00 | 0.00</p><p>TestAllies: (12:52) 2346512 | 3039.52 [Toesmash-Pestilent Touch-6948]</p><p>Mala |  1377.97 | 1519.70</p><p>Toes |  1652.46 | 1493.79</p><p>ToesUnending Misery avg,  349.11  => 362.9Grim strike   851.35  => 865.56Tap    1640.89 => 1617.3Dynaism   542.59  => 538.05Voracious Soul   295.53  => 300.94Pestilence Damage  262.88  => 257.13putride coil   302.37  => 320.81death circle   326.58  => 329.37barbed guard   80.94   => 80.93caress feedback  78.59   => 78.99Divine Light   1179.21 => 1249.04Agony     => 578.31 Abomindable wrath  2056.39 => 2257.00Unholy Strike   412.18  => 406.23Legoninnaires Smite  743.69  => 756.48Smash    393.19  => 396.31Pariah's Brand   133.13  => 140.96Burning Affliction  674.21  => 664.20Insidious Promise  183.46  => 177.82Abdomable Anger  982.74  => 1026.85Joust    357.56  => 478.63Harnessed Power  198.64  => 209.1Fitzpitzle'  454.38  => 394.74Pestilent Touch  Hammer Ground   235.47  => 254.68fetid smite   240.51  => 231.14Drain Vitae   926.65  => 956.21Doom Judgement   527.82  => 434.88Beguliging Siphon  234.35  => 249.5Venomouse Slam   353.20  => 328.00Sky Cleave   386.00  => 322.94Corrosive Strik  371.00  => 545.00Crushing Anvil   237.89  => 232.5Master's Strike  650.60  => 565.2Nefarious Sacrament   287.45  => </p><p>IllusionistPrismatic Shock  1325.79 => 1345.25Shimmering Beam  1002.24 => 995.41Solar Shower   664.04  => 701.30Dynamism   612.31  => 596.84Ultraviolet Storm  307.43  => 299.18Brain Clot   754.37  => 734.54Abolish Hope   453.62  => 464.35Tumor    1370.42 => 1355.33Brainburst   422.13  => 418.74char    611.51  => 603.89Burning afliction  792.56  => 842.36Grizzlefazzles rage  631.56  => 603.89Master Strike   3494.00 => 2928.5Thule's Temper   533.33  => 552.71construct of reason  265.33  => 291.15Disparaging affliction  304.69  => 288.86construct Strict Order  464.35  => 473.46Migraine   726.50  => 758.33thermal Shock   591.00  => 601.33Nullying Staff   Voracious Sould  </p><p>Sept. 5</p><p>Allies: (14:50) 2339491 | 2628.64 [Toesmash-Pestilent Touch-6948]</p><p>Toes |  1433.37 | 1493.79</p><p>Mala |  1195.27 | 1519.70</p><p>testAllies: (14:22) 2370627 | 2750.15 [Malana-Master's Strike-3816]</p><p>Toes |  1480.08 | 1537.14</p><p>Mala |  1270.07 | 1588.97</p><p>ToesUnending Misery avg,      362.90  => 373.99Grim strike                       965.56  => 853.85Tap                                 1617.30 => 1714.84Dynaism                          538.05  => 543.7Voracious Soul                300.94  => 346.84Pestilence Damage          257.13  => 261.09putride coil                      320.81  => 342.06death circle                     329.37  => 303.94barbed guard                  80.93   => 82.56caress feedback               78.99   => 80.36Divine Light                    1249.04 => 1210.83Agony                              578.31  => 579.31  Abomindable wrath        2257.00 => 2104.62Unholy Strike                   406.23  => 404.62Legoninnaires Smite        756.48  => 785.08Smash                             396.31  => 397.85Pariah's Brand                 140.96  => 148.33Burning Affliction               664.20  => 752.56Insidious Promise             177.82  => 183.5Abdomable Anger            1026.85 => 1254.5Joust                                478.63  => 376.43Harnessed Power            209.01  => 198.5Fitzpitzle'                         394.74  => 389.64Pestilent Touch               6948.00 => Hammer Ground              254.68  => 242.00fetid smite                       231.14  => 237.56 Drain Vitae                      956.21  => 971.00Doom Judgement            434.88  => 466.39Beguliging Siphon           249.50  => 246.00Venomouse Slam            328.00  => 396.17Sky Cleave                      322.94  => 355.10Corrosive Strik                545.00  => 406.00Crushing Anvil                 232.50  => 265.30Master's Strike                565.39  => 598.23Nefarious Sacrament      310.32  => 342.29Storm of Ancients           1314.00 => 704.00</p><p>IllusionistPrismatic Shock              1345.25 => 1402.41Shimmering Beam           995.41  => 1147.54Solar Shower                  701.30  => 636.75Dynamism                       596.84  => 598.31Ultraviolet Storm             299.18  => 307.04Brain Clot                        734.54  => 703.79Abolish Hope                   464.35  => 556.05Tumor                             1355.33 => 1429.18Brainburst                        418.72  => 457.44char                                 603.89  => 579.55Burning afliction               842.36  => 758.97Grizzlefazzles rage          561.65  => 598.37Master Strike                  2928.50 => 3276.71Thule's Temper                552.71  => 528.76construct of reason         291.15  => 278.93Disparaging affliction       288.86  => 288.37construct Strict Order      473.46  => 467.53Migraine                          758.33  => 850.56thermal Shock                 601.33  => 481.00Nullying Staff   Voracious Soul</p><p>I think if we compare the numbers, we can see overall, not a big diff, crits are king.  I would have liked to do this without spell crits, but I didn't want to waste cash/respecs/ on the live server.  Nothing really to say wow about, the Illy's DPS was greater on the test server, ours not so much.  We did become more effecient in the zone as you see our overall numbers rose (mine more so).  I also started getting a tad bit more impatient by pulling more groups then normal, near the end (first named I pulled him the other 3 groups guarding the doors), this impatient pull style hurt her DPS more then it did mine <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p>Definately nothing game breaking, and deffinately nothing that's going to throw us to the top (or up a position on the parse).</p>

[HentaiB]

<p>Went naked with 311.  Then did 311 int with gear and +335 spell damage found that it was working as stated except for a few spells that seem to not get any sort of improvement from +spell damge.</p><p>Drain Vitae splits the bonus between the lifetap, and the damage.  Wish this were not the case but at least we are getting full bonus now.</p><p>Spells with problems are death circle, pestilence, fetid smite, and tap veins.  These are listed as spells but still get no bonus when you add spell damage.  I never looked at these hard before as before +spell damage was a joke, but now it is something to consider.  I will be making a post on in testing feed back on this.  Maybe "HAHA" they will fix this before it goes live.</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=381531�" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...381531�</a></p>