Why am I Downloading LoN files to fix a problem you claim ISN'T LoN Related

[Lasai]

<p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p>

[Raveller]

Well, we are stupid enough to continue to pay a monthly subscription fee for this.

[Phazation]

Atleast we didn't have to pay 2.99 for them.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p>

[TripleJ7007]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>Please refrain from useing logic in these forums...Thanks <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Raveller]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>I thought the Fanboi competition was over.

[Phazation]

Fanboi activity is directly proportional to length of server downtime.

[Lasai]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage.  </p><p>First patch of the day, LoN files.  2nd Patch, LoN files.  Third Patch, more of the same LoN files.</p><p>If the files were not causing issues, why 3 separate versions of them.  Why create new versions.  Why would the Launchpad scan find my LoN files incompatable to the current version 3 times.  Would they not hotfix the issue "unrelated" to LoN and leave the LoN files alone.  </p><p>In previous hotfix's they have left good files intact. only forcing the download of affected files.</p><p>I'm also done debating anything with you, Kendricke, as debating with the terminally obtuse is an exercise in futility.</p>

[Gargamel]

<p>The problem is said to be due to a SERVER-SIDE hotfix put in today.</p><p>Not due to the LoN patch  (files you downloaded), that also happened today.</p><p>The LoN patch had to do with cloaks and PvP.</p><p>The server side patch had to do with quests and a crash to desktop bug.</p><p>The massive downtime is said to have been caused by the server side (no files you would download) fix.</p>

[Josgar]

because LON happens to have a patch to their client too... but tihs has to do with only half of the servers... so somthing is broken on the server side

[CisterCirce]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>And most assuredly you speak the truth because of "Faciem durum cacantis habes",  oh wait yes this would seem like a false dilema, ( I can look stuff up on the interweb too!!) Examples:<span style="font-size: medium;font-family: Arial Black;"><span style="font-size: small;font-family: arial;">1) <span style="font-size: x-small;">"Look, you are going to have to make up your mind. Either you decide that you can afford this stereo, or you decide you are going to do without music for a while."</span>2) <span style="font-size: x-small;">"</span></span></span><span style="font-size: x-small;">Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe"</span>Some of us like to think and demand a certain amount of accountability and an explanation when things are not working, or to voice our opinion when there is something in the game or a change being made we don't agree with, for example removing adepts from raid loot tables.We subscribe to the school of thought that we, as paying customers have a say in the services we receive, implying that we are responsible or agree to anything done in the game because we continue to pay a subscription is just an easy <span>"Bulbus Stercum" fanboi cop out.Not everyone is as easily convinced as you, nor decides to take a 2 line cryptic explanation as bonafide, now unless you have something to contribute to answering the question other than quoting "teh interweb" please let this thread remain a zombie free zone.Cyanara</span>

[Tanan]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote>This is normal before something goes live.  When EoF came out we patched a lot of Estate of Unrest files up until they opened it up.  It saves a lot of time to add a little at a time then to have one giant patch when they institute new things.

[Terrius]

I love posts like this, where people dont realise that EQ2 doesnt specify when LoN gets patched, SoE denver does. therefore it has no relation to eq2 server crashing at all.

[Vonotar]

I love how everybody is talking about servers crashing... when they never actually crashed.The servers had gameplay issues, they didn't crash (i.e. stop functioning/logins)The servers only came down when individuals came here to report the gameplay issues and <b>requested</b> that the servers be taken down.Naturally you'll now try to claim that LoN has no links with gameplay, when obviously it does otherwise there would be no 'convert card into loot item' mechanic.

[Terrius]

No Since the Devs said that Denver patches LoN, I believe them, and since LoN has no possible way to kill the database server, i trust them. as opposed to running in circles screaming The sky is falling! and more to the point yes, multiple servers DID crash, they were fixing a server CRASH issue, that turned out to corrupt the database files.

[Pogball]

It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.

[Kendricke]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First patch of the day, LoN files.  2nd Patch, LoN files.  Third Patch, more of the same LoN files.</p><p>If the files were not causing issues, why 3 separate versions of them.  Why create new versions.  Why would the Launchpad scan find my LoN files incompatable to the current version 3 times.  Would they not hotfix the issue "unrelated" to LoN and leave the LoN files alone.  </p></blockquote><p>What's really interesting to me is how I was ingame hours before this post was made.  I was in-game when the post was made.  I left myself in game overnight.  I woke up just now and found out I'm still in-game.  I guess those Legends of Norrath files really broke the game for all of us, right? </p><p>Since some of you have the "real answers" here, I have a question for all the guys in the room smarter than I am (which is apparently everyone):  If it really was the files causing the issue, how come it's only affecting some servers but not all servers? It's not as if we downloaded different Legends of Norrath files on Guk than the rest of you, right?</p>

[Macross_JR]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First patch of the day, LoN files.  2nd Patch, LoN files.  Third Patch, more of the same LoN files.</p><p>If the files were not causing issues, why 3 separate versions of them.  Why create new versions.  Why would the Launchpad scan find my LoN files incompatable to the current version 3 times.  Would they not hotfix the issue "unrelated" to LoN and leave the LoN files alone.  </p></blockquote><p>What's really amusing to me is how I was ingame hours before this post was made.  I was in-game when the post was made.  I left myself in game overnight.  I woke up just now and found out I'm still in-game.  </p><p>I guess those Legends of Norrath files really broke the game for all of us, right?</p></blockquote>Kendricke, some people just don't understand that when people say server side issues that they patch the servers, and we don't see those notes as it doesn't change our files on our computers.

[Jal]

Im giving my dark warg a stern talking to when i log on.  Its all his fault.

[Phazation]

<cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote>You're exactly right! Beta testing the fanboi forum bots on a live gameplay forum also seems to be going rather well for them.

[liveja]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well, we are stupid enough</blockquote>Speak for yourself, please.

[Maroger]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>I thought the Fanboi competition was over. </blockquote>He is primping for the next competition - wants to make sure he will win although I can't think of anyone offhand who can beat him in that category.

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>It is a vast conspiracy by the military-industrial complex.</p><p>The engineers were having a party and someone spilled a beer in the login server.</p><p>Sony figured you had all been relatively happy long enough and it was time to to get a rise out of the masses and hopefully generate some cancellations.</p><p>Shall I continue? Nah that should be good enough for now.</p>

[BoriKitty]

<p><b>MOJOPHREAKY</b> is back trying to police the boards ROFL.</p><p>The Dev yesterday attempted to explain why that was happening.. the short answer that the LoN files were Denver office's problem.</p>

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<cite>BoriKitty wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b>MOJOPHREAKY</b> is back trying to police the boards ROFL.</p><p>The Dev yesterday attempted to explain why that was happening.. the short answer that the LoN files were Denver office's problem.</p></blockquote><p>Not sure what I said to get your panties in a wad.</p><p>I was making general observations about the absurdity of this whole situation. You choose to attack me for it, fine. I'm finding this whole thing rather amusing at this point. Flame me all you want, Borikitty. I'm just having fun with the gloom and doomers now.</p>

[wepps]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>Or, "the nose caused the tail".Actually to the OP there was a rollback. That being the case, those patch files had to be re-patched to your client. That's why we are seeing them again.

[liveja]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage. </p></blockquote><p>It's a very sad day for western civilization, when solid logic is dismissed as "pseudo-intellectual garbage."</p>

[wepps]

<cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage. </p></blockquote><p>It's a very sad day for western civilization, when solid logic is dismissed as "pseudo-intellectual garbage."</p></blockquote>It's been kind of a bad 20 years, not just today.

[LygerT]

<cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote><p>is this a [Removed for Content] joke? i hope it was filled to the brim with sarcasm. </p>

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage. </p></blockquote><p>It's a very sad day for western civilization, when solid logic is dismissed as "pseudo-intellectual garbage."</p></blockquote>It's been kind of a bad 20 years, not just today.</blockquote><p>Have to agree with you on that one. The "who r u the <i>grammer</i> police" response when someone uses the wrong word...people using IM/text shorthand in college papers...be thankful the person responding knew how to spell pseudo-intellectual...</p>

[CisterCirce]

<cite>MOJOPHREAKY wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage. </p></blockquote><p>It's a very sad day for western civilization, when solid logic is dismissed as "pseudo-intellectual garbage."</p></blockquote>It's been kind of a bad 20 years, not just today.</blockquote><p>Have to agree with you on that one. The "who r u the <i>grammer</i> police" response when someone uses the wrong word...people using IM/text shorthand in college papers...be thankful the person responding knew how to spell pseudo-intellectual...</p></blockquote>Unfortunately its not solid logic, its a fallacious rhetoric hubris that the mickey mouse club celebrate because it "useded biggerer words", the OP asked a question, the "solid logic" is an ill ventured copy/paste internet search on logical fallacies that is not answer to straightforward question. It is not an unreasonable question, and probably has a simple answer, that I'm pretty sure its not included in a list describing logical fallacies.Cyanara

[AJoS]

Now THAT is pseudo-intellectual garbage

[Cuz]

<cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote>You're exactly right! Beta testing the fanboi forum bots on a live gameplay forum also seems to be going rather well for them.</blockquote>Did you try to make your comment dumber than his?

[Phazation]

<cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote>You're exactly right! Beta testing the fanboi forum bots on a live gameplay forum also seems to be going rather well for them.</blockquote>Did you try to make your comment dumber than his?</blockquote>This one is performing especially well.

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote>You're exactly right! Beta testing the fanboi forum bots on a live gameplay forum also seems to be going rather well for them.</blockquote>Did you try to make your comment dumber than his?</blockquote>This one is performing especially well.</blockquote><p>Did ya see what he did there? How he switched that around? How clever.</p><p>I see no one has anything better to do today. I'm just here for the schadenfreude.</p>

[Jaxl]

<cite>CisterCirce wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>MOJOPHREAKY wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Flaye@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Spare me the psuedo-intellectual garbage. </p></blockquote><p>It's a very sad day for western civilization, when solid logic is dismissed as "pseudo-intellectual garbage."</p></blockquote>It's been kind of a bad 20 years, not just today.</blockquote><p>Have to agree with you on that one. The "who r u the <i>grammer</i> police" response when someone uses the wrong word...people using IM/text shorthand in college papers...be thankful the person responding knew how to spell pseudo-intellectual...</p></blockquote>Unfortunately its not solid logic, its a fallacious rhetoric hubris that the mickey mouse club celebrate because it "useded biggerer words", the OP asked a question, the "solid logic" is an ill ventured copy/paste internet search on logical fallacies that is not answer to straightforward question. It is not an unreasonable question, and probably has a simple answer, that I'm pretty sure its not included in a list describing logical fallacies.Cyanara</blockquote>How about you look at the symptoms.  How exactly does LoN have anything to do with character data corruption?  From a simple security standpoiint, you don't let clients dictate state data such as how many AA points you have?  (Hey server, I have 200 points so make sure you update that row in the database, thanks!)  The server side explanation makes more sense..  From a business perspective, lying about IT problems almost always ends poorly and I don't think they're doing it...Lets face it, your just trolling because your mad that you couldn't play the game for 12 hours..

[Lasai]

<cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote></blockquote>Or, "the nose caused the tail".Actually to the OP there was a rollback. That being the case, those patch files had to be re-patched to your client. That's why we are seeing them again.</blockquote><p>Um Wow, gee, A rollback?   Did this Rollback also include somehow accessing my LoN file and removing the updated files I recieved the first time the server came up?</p><p>I had the LoN files.  I fail to comprehend why a server side fix would also include downloading updated LoN files three times yesterday, each time Nektulos came up.   Particularly since these files were "unrelated" to the actual issue.  Perhaps the crew working late friday on a three day weekend just polished them up out of boredom?</p><p>Beta Testing in a live game is a bad idea.</p><p>Making an assumption based upon one set of files downloaded one time would be presumptuous.  Making an assumption based upon downloading the same files updated three times throughout the day at each server "fix" is not.</p><p>If someone has a plausible explanation beyond Cochranese babbling I would love to hear it.</p>

[Jaxl]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote></blockquote>Or, "the nose caused the tail".Actually to the OP there was a rollback. That being the case, those patch files had to be re-patched to your client. That's why we are seeing them again.</blockquote><p>Um Wow, gee, A rollback?   Did this Rollback also include somehow accessing my LoN file and removing the updated files I recieved the first time the server came up?</p><p>I had the LoN files.  I fail to comprehend why a server side fix would also include downloading updated LoN files three times yesterday, each time Nektulos came up.   Particularly since these files were "unrelated" to the actual issue.  Perhaps the crew working late friday on a three day weekend just polished them up out of boredom?</p><p>Beta Testing in a live game is a bad idea.</p><p>Making an assumption based upon one set of files downloaded one time would be presumptuous.  Making an assumption based upon downloading the same files updated three times throughout the day at each server "fix" is not.</p><p>If someone has a plausible explanation beyond Cochranese babbling I would love to hear it.</p></blockquote>They're working on more than one project at once comes to mind...

[Frijoles]

<p>Heh - <i>Cochranese Babbling</i> - I love it.</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Josgar]

LON had its own patch yesterday... just cut that part out because it did not pull everquest 1 down too. Yeah it may have been patched three times, but the LON team can patch down whatever they want to whenever they need to without bringing down other servers.Now what happened as stated by a dev in another thread: Half of the servers (Note if a patch screwed them up then it would be ALL of the servers) decided (yes im personifying the servers) that they would stop updating character data correctly (thats why people were getting random AA updates (as stated by a player) They brought ALL servers down to make sure this AA exploit and quest problem were not on all of them. they started rolling back servers last night and easily brought up half of them. Then the other half of the servers still had problems like disappearing items when placed into the broker and such so they brought them back down again to fix that until the wee hours of the morning. Reasons how LON cannot cause this (as guessed by me):<ol><li>LON is hosted off of its own server, but it's client is imbeded into EQ2... (most likely in Denver) and they just share the patcher.</li><li>It sent down patches for it's client. A patch on your client cannot destroy EQ2 servers.</li><li>It would have affected the EQ1 and EQ2 servers if it had been LON's fault</li><li>The peices to LON dont affect Acheivement gain and such.</li></ol>

[Kendricke]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If someone has a plausible explanation beyond Cochranese babbling I would love to hear it.</p></blockquote><p><i>If the patcher keeps trying,then SOE must be denying!</i></p><p><i>If the mod said server-side,then the mod must have lied!</i></p><p>In all seriousness, would any of you learned and enlightened individuals care to explain to me how problems such a quests resetting, achievements being randomly awarded, and tradeskill books being lost was in any way related to the Legends of Norrath files which were patched?  Since the rest of us are apparently only able to mimic the antics of a lawyer who's been dead for years, perhaps one of you smarter folks could edumacate the rest of us poor heathens, eh?</p><p>I mean, after all, I'm having a hard time understanding the concepts in such explanations as "Why am I Downloading LoN files to fix a problem you claim ISN'T LoN Related".  I'm still trying to find the quote from SOE where they stated the Legends of Norrath files we downloaded were there to fix anything related to the servers.   </p><p>Care to help us out?  How exactly ARE those files fixes for the problems?</p>

[Willias]

<cite>Raveller wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote><p>Post Hoc Ergo Propter Hoc</p><p>A occured before B, therefore A caused B. </p><p>You drove by my house, then it started to rain, therefore you caused the rain.I ate some waffles this morning, then started to feel bad this afternoon, therfore the waffles caused me to feel bad.There were problems on the server after a patch with Legends of Norrath files, therefore the Legends of Norrath files caused the problems on the server.  </p><p>Fallacious reasoning.  There's no real evidence save for a perceived coincidence.  That's not proof of causality.  </p><p>Bottom line:  Either believe them or not.  If you don't, and you continue to give them money, who's truly at fault for you spending money on a product from a company you don't believe?</p></blockquote>I thought the Fanboi competition was over. </blockquote>Oh it is.The conspiracist competition is well underway though.

[Lasai]

<cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If someone has a plausible explanation beyond Cochranese babbling I would love to hear it.</p></blockquote><p><i>If the patcher keeps trying,then SOE must be denying!</i></p><p><i>If the mod said server-side,then the mod must have lied!</i></p><p>In all seriousness, would any of you learned and enlightened individuals care to explain to me how problems such a quests resetting, achievements being randomly awarded, and tradeskill books being lost was in any way related to the Legends of Norrath files which were patched?  Since the rest of us are apparently only able to mimic the antics of a lawyer who's been dead for years, perhaps one of you smarter folks could edumacate the rest of us poor heathens, eh?</p><p>I mean, after all, I'm having a hard time understanding the concepts in such explanations as "Why am I Downloading LoN files to fix a problem you claim ISN'T LoN Related".  I'm still trying to find the quote from SOE where they stated the Legends of Norrath files we downloaded were there to fix anything related to the servers.   </p><p>Care to help us out?  How exactly ARE those files fixes for the problems?</p></blockquote><p>From years of mmo's and mmo patching we have all seen seemingly unrelated issues cause a ripple effect and unforseen issues throughout the database, both server and client side.</p><p>I'll repeat also that throwing a beta into a live game is asking for those issues.</p><p>But, Im done with you.   I'll leave you with this thought.  At NGE, all the fansite mavens, all the correspondants, all the forum fans and "inside" chucklers who curried favor with SOE found themselves as lied to and as much the victims of management duplicity as the worst critics did.   SOE management is fully capable of both duplicity and directing thier employees to the same.  They didn't refund expansion purchases without cause.</p><p>Choose to swallow the official line all you want.  </p><p>And before you repeat the "If you dont like it, don't pay for it" Mantra.. I play this because of the EQ2 Division, as I basically distrust SOE management.   Furthermore, as MMO's go, it is basically the only choice there really is, given my tastes.   The fact that I am 95% happy with this game does not abrogate my choice to voice dissatisfaction with the 5% that annoys me.  </p>

[Willias]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>At NGE</blockquote>What does SWG have to do with EQ2 except for the fact that they're owned by the same company?Different teams work on different games.

[Cuz]

<cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cuz wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Phazation wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pogball wrote:</cite><blockquote>It has nothing to do with LoN.  Beta testing on live servers is a revolution step forward in developement. Why its not more common place I'll never understand.</blockquote>You're exactly right! Beta testing the fanboi forum bots on a live gameplay forum also seems to be going rather well for them.</blockquote>Did you try to make your comment dumber than his?</blockquote>This one is performing especially well.</blockquote>You really should check out post history of users you want to call out as fanbois. It'll make you look less ignorant.

[Cuz]

<cite>Willias@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>At NGE</blockquote>What does SWG have to do with EQ2 except for the fact that they're owned by the same company?Different teams work on different games.</blockquote>It's a last ditch effort to prove a failing point.

[wepps]

<cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>wepps wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kendricke wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lasai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just as the title states.  Why are all the files I am now downloading LoN related files.</p><p>How gullible do you really think we are.</p></blockquote></blockquote>Or, "the nose caused the tail".Actually to the OP there was a rollback. That being the case, those patch files had to be re-patched to your client. That's why we are seeing them again.</blockquote><p>Um Wow, gee, A rollback?   Did this Rollback also include somehow accessing my LoN file and removing the updated files I recieved the first time the server came up?</p><p>I had the LoN files.  I fail to comprehend why a server side fix would also include downloading updated LoN files three times yesterday, each time Nektulos came up.   Particularly since these files were "unrelated" to the actual issue.  Perhaps the crew working late friday on a three day weekend just polished them up out of boredom?</p><p>Beta Testing in a live game is a bad idea.</p><p>Making an assumption based upon one set of files downloaded one time would be presumptuous.  Making an assumption based upon downloading the same files updated three times throughout the day at each server "fix" is not.</p><p>If someone has a plausible explanation beyond Cochranese babbling I would love to hear it.</p></blockquote>Jeez I was wondering why I woke up. No kidding. Beta testing in a live game is a bad idea.Quit then <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Don't know what to tell you.

[Frigid2000]

<p>Hm. Alright. The OP doesn't understand logic.</p><p>Let's just all simply agree he's a [Removed for Content] and move onto the next post, out of the billion that exist, of whiny babies losing a single evening of play.</p>

[LordPazuzu]

LoN is coming...  Just deal with it already.

[Echgar]

Clearly there was a less than ideal situation on Friday and I understand there are some players that are upset because they weren't able to play.  Kirstie and Gnobrin <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/preList.m?topic_id=379945&post_id=4302979" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">already commented</a> on the Legends of Norrath theory in another thread (more than once), so starting another thread really wasn't necessary.In addition, all the bickering going on here is just a bit much.  I understand frustration levels have been high, but it is time to close this thread.