Guild status loot, virtually unusable in the future????

[niteowl53]

Mabey I'm not reading this correctly, but if I am, I don't agree with this to be implemented.I read this in the forums:<span style="color: #ccff00;">Items When selling guild status items, guilds now only advance via sales of level-appropriate items.  Members of higher level guilds can still sell lower level items for personal status gain.  There is now a text description at the bottom of status items that tell you what level guild will gain advancement from selling those items.   Generally, items found in the nearest 10 level range will continue to advance your guild.  (e.g. A level 50 guild will be able to gain advancement from level 51 items and higher, which drop from T6 creatures and above.) If you go to an NPC who will buy your status item and your guild is too high level, you will see the status points in YELLOW instead of the normal teal.  Those are the items that will only grant you personal status.</span>I got this quote from this link:<a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=379847" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=379847</a>Soooo. this would mean that if you are in or have a level 50 guild (example), and you have members that are more than 10 levels lower, so level 39 and below, ANY guild status item that they have EARNED in killing mobs, or bought on the broker, can only be turned in for personal status and the Guild will NOT get any Guild status!!!  Am I reading this right? If this is the case, then anyone more then 10 levels beneath their guild's level cannot contribute guild status items they earn or buy for their guild...........???? Now if I go out and kill mobs and earn guild status loot, why can I not contribute that to my guild????  That is totally absurd.  If you want to make it so people can't level guild fast for those that buy them, make them NO TRADE, make them not be able to sell on the broker, only be able to turn them in once you have earned them.  That would also mean anyone OVER the 10 level limit cannot contribute to their Guild through Guild status loot as well!!So, I have a level 54 guild, 80% of my guildies are below level 40, that means virtually no one can contribute Guild status loot to help the guild level.  It would be incumbent on only a few within the required range will be able to contribute to the Guild status.  Not to mention my guild is on a PvP server, where less questing/heritage quests take place, than on regular servers.  Or if you can still buy lets say like level 50 guild status items, cause the prices to go through the roof, while the lower status items will be virtually junk.I don't know here, either way, I just don't like this.........  what do you guys think???? (mabey it's just me)

[Cathars]

Go do some writs.  They bring in guild exp dozens of times faster than items and increases exponentially by adding more people to the group.  Its a good excuse to hang out with your guildies when there's nothing else going on.

[BarrowBott]

<cite>niteowl53 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mabey I'm not reading this correctly, but if I am, I don't agree with this to be implemented.I read this in the forums:<span style="color: #ccff00;">Items When selling guild status items, guilds now only advance via sales of level-appropriate items.  Members of higher level guilds can still sell lower level items for personal status gain.  There is now a text description at the bottom of status items that tell you what level guild will gain advancement from selling those items.   Generally, items found in the nearest 10 level range will continue to advance your guild.  (e.g. A level 50 guild will be able to gain advancement from level 51 items and higher, which drop from T6 creatures and above.) If you go to an NPC who will buy your status item and your guild is too high level, you will see the status points in YELLOW instead of the normal teal.  Those are the items that will only grant you personal status.</span>I got this quote from this link:<a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=379847" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=379847</a>Soooo. this would mean that if you are in or have a level 50 guild (example), and you have members that are more than 10 levels lower, so level 39 and below, ANY guild status item that they have EARNED in killing mobs, or bought on the broker, can only be turned in for personal status and the Guild will NOT get any Guild status!!!  Am I reading this right? If this is the case, then anyone more then 10 levels beneath their guild's level cannot contribute guild status items they earn or buy for their guild...........???? Now if I go out and kill mobs and earn guild status loot, why can I not contribute that to my guild????  That is totally absurd.  If you want to make it so people can't level guild fast for those that buy them, make them NO TRADE, make them not be able to sell on the broker, only be able to turn them in once you have earned them.  That would also mean anyone OVER the 10 level limit cannot contribute to their Guild through Guild status loot as well!!So, I have a level 54 guild, 80% of my guildies are below level 40, that means virtually no one can contribute Guild status loot to help the guild level.  It would be incumbent on only a few within the required range will be able to contribute to the Guild status.  Not to mention my guild is on a PvP server, where less questing/heritage quests take place, than on regular servers.  Or if you can still buy lets say like level 50 guild status items, cause the prices to go through the roof, while the lower status items will be virtually junk.I don't know here, either way, I just don't like this.........  what do you guys think???? (mabey it's just me)</blockquote>They can still do writs and HQs.  In fact... the writs come from the same guys you'd be selling the items too!

[Menji]

<cite>niteowl53 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mabey I'm not reading this correctly, but if I am, I don't agree with this to be implemented.I read this in the forums:<span style="color: #ccff00;">Items When selling guild status items, guilds now only advance via sales of level-appropriate items.  Members of higher level guilds can still sell lower level items for personal status gain.  </span></blockquote>From what i have read on another thread this is true and currently on the test server.

[Zard]

<p>Lower level guild status loot still sells for a decent price to NPC's so it's not completely useless to higher level guilds with lower level members. I'm not defending the change, as it hurts me too, but the guild status items will still have value.</p>

[Lasai]

<p>Kind of Draconian, but yes, that seems to be the case.</p><p>I would have preferred they make them no-trade, but still, this partially addresses two issues.</p><p>Guilds that buy thier levels.</p><p>A huge source of income for plat sellers, as most of the obvious farm toons I have seen in the past, and now, have hundreds of status items up for sale at any given time.</p><p>When Kunark comes out perhaps we won't see guilds level to 80 in 24 hours.</p>

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<p>Because, presumably, the maxed out guilds have been sitting on stacks and stacks of status items, whole farms of bank alts filled to the brim with status items - all waiting for ROK day so they can turn it all in and max out the guild level within hours.</p><p>Doesn't matter to me either way really. I don't have the patience to deal with min/maxers. </p><p>I do feel bad for the lower level toons in family guilds though, since they won't be able to contribute nearly as much.</p>

[Vonotar]

Before this change, anybody could contribute using status items, writs, hq's, killing raid epics After the change, status items will be linked to guild level, if the status items are sub par for the guild level they won't contribute to the guild."Go do some writs" thats all I hear...So what about if they did the same to writs as well?You <b>could</b> argue... why should a level 20, completing a level 20 writ, be worth progressing a level 60 guild?Where does this end?...Cue slippery slope!!

[MOJOPHREAKY]

<cite>Vonotar@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Before this change, anybody could contribute using status items, writs, hq's, killing raid epicsAfter the change, status items will be linked to guild level, if the status items are sub par for the guild level they won't contribute to the guild."Go do some writs" thats all I hear...So what about if they did the same to writs as well?You <b>could</b> argue... why should a level 20, completing a level 20 writ, be worth progressing a level 60 guild?Where does this end?...Cue slippery slope!!</blockquote><p>Well you could also argue that the threats being subdued by taking on writs should be viewed as valuable to the city regardless of level. Are the gnolls just outside the gates of Qeynos more of an immediate threat than mobs in Everfrost?</p><p>/devils advocate off</p>

[Samulbrar]

<p>Let's keep this in the existing thread located <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=379690" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">here</a>.</p><p>And as a reminder, from the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=170" target="_blank">Test Server FAQ</a>:</p><b><hr /></b><p><b>Should we assume all the changes that show up on the Test server will eventually make their way to the other servers?</b>No. Do not think of the Test server as a preview; it is a testing environment. While many changes and additions will indeed move to the live servers at some point, not all of them will. Becoming either angry or overjoyed because something changes on the Test server would be premature. In order for the Test server to fulfil its intended purpose, it must be a place where the development team has the freedom to try new ideas and theories that may not be intended for the other servers. </p><hr />