Bruiser DPS

[Valphine]

How good are they? With the setups etc.. 1-10?

[ganjookie]

not as good as a scouts

[Valphine]

<cite>Kithian@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>not as good as a scouts</blockquote>Well better then dirge & troub I hope <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[djinnz]

<p>a poorly geared 70 with only partial aa and slow player could be as low as 500dps</p><p> a fully geared attentive bruiser with the right buffs can hit 2kdps</p><p>id think most bruisers are around the 800-1500dps mark depending on buffs and if they use Ko combo</p>

[Valphine]

<cite>djinnz wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>a poorly geared 70 with only partial aa and slow player could be as low as 500dps</p><p> a fully geared attentive bruiser with the right buffs can hit 2kdps</p><p>id think most bruisers are around the 800-1500dps mark depending on buffs and if they use Ko combo</p></blockquote>Hm.. thats what I have done with a pally...

[Ranja]

<cite>Kithian@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>not as good as a scouts</blockquote>Why would you say that? Of course we are not as good as scouts and nor should we be. If you want scout DPS play a scout.

[ganjookie]

<cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kithian@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>not as good as a scouts</blockquote>Why would you say that? Of course we are not as good as scouts and nor should we be. If you want scout DPS play a scout. </blockquote>you are an R [Removed for Content] good sir.  please look at the question above my answer.

[Wy]

I'm only 45 now, so I can't say I know much about bruiser dps, but considering I'm supposed to be the tank, I'm doing a ridiculous amount at my level. ...Of course, I also am rocking all the mastercrafted and legendaries I can snag with about 41ish AA points, so that might have something to do with it. >.>

[Novusod]

I wish I could do dps like when I was level 45. Sadly my bruiser just felt weaker and weaker every level I gained pasted that.

[Aull]

I would agree with you Novusod and I feel the very same way about my bruiser. I don't know what happened but I feel he doesn't do near the damage like he did back in the mid 40's. I mentored a mid lvl bruiser the other night and he out dps's me!!! I would have figured that I would be the one at the top of the dps list in that duo but I was wrong. Not that it should be the most important thing there, but just made me wonder " how is that possible?". I dunno what has happend but my bruiser has really lost it somewhere. Oh the mid lvl bruiser was 4,4, and 8 in agil and 4,4,and 8 in intel. My bruiser is 4,4, 8, and 8 strgth and 4,4,8,6,and 1 intel. I don't know fi that is where the difference was but that is his/mine aa set up at the time. He is lvl 38 and I 59 mentored down. Just watching my friends bruiser work that night was a feeling of how my bruiser once was, which actually makes me sad lol. However I have not given up on him yet and gonna keep pushing him till 70. When I throw a taunt, onehundred hand slap, eagle shriek, and kindney punch and then my lvl 38 friend doesn't taunt, but just starts swinging and pulls aggro from me.....there is a problem somewhere. Maybe it is just the mechanics or something.....tired of trying to figure that one out!

[Xas]

What sort of weapons was he using?

[Aull]

I don't really know the names of them but they where at that time mastercrafted fists. No adornments. I was in SOS last night and wasn't trying to pull aggro in our group, but I was and had to turn off my quarrel, that helped some but still grabbed unwanted aggro at times and was trying to control it. That was a first for me in a long time, so maybe I am being a little to hard on myself.

[Ranja]

<cite>Kithian@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ranja wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kithian@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>not as good as a scouts</blockquote>Why would you say that? Of course we are not as good as scouts and nor should we be. If you want scout DPS play a scout. </blockquote>you are an R [I cannot control my vocabulary] good sir.  please look at the question above my answer.</blockquote>OK i will take the bait. No sir you are a [Removed for Content]. He asked a question and you gave him a non answer. You answer supplied nothing helpful and gave him no concrete data. Why did you even answer it - to get your post count up?

[ganjookie]

I'm hoping to get 5k before my bday then I will be super dooper cool like you!

[Sheirark]

Well i'm not going to stipulate on what could or might be, but at lvl 70 with full masters and fully fabled with 80+dmg weapons, i usually zonewide around 1200 to 1500, and can spike up to 3k parses with knockout combo, and depending on the group that i am currently in.  Now i will also say, that bruiser dps is very dependant on everything i mentioned, so if ur not mastered, or very well geared then ur dps will be drastically lower than that.  I would say a Full ad3 legendary eof bruiser would parse in the 800 to 1200 range, which is respectable, but far from say an assassin's dps of same build.  But as u progress the gap becomes a bit less the more u gear up.  My roommate is a 70 assassin and he averages 2.2k plus on raid encounters, and i am usually a few spots below him, but i can tank epics, whereas he can't do so well, so i find it to be an even tradeoff.

[Knomi]

<p>I've been leary of jumping to a straight DPS build -- if I'm going to get beat like a scout... I should just be a scout and get it over with.  </p><p>Of course, I haven't jumped to that.  I'm currently running WIS / INT.  Last night, I was able to tank nest... baring in mind that I haven't tanked anything shy of a mentored down crushbone group in months.  At lvl 65 I didn't have much trouble at all.  The hawk in the hairyjumper at the end did pop me kind of hard a couple times, but nothing that the templar couldn't handle.  </p><p>After the run last night, there were a couple times that I had to ask if the hastened recast timers might be helpful.  Ultimately, I don't think they are greater than WIS or INT so I can't really see speccing out of to AGI, but it did cross my mind a couple times that I wished that big pbaoe was back up (when I was still waiting for another 20s on it).  Does anyone run AGI / WIS?  (I know that question is sacrelige... but there it is, out in the open like a mole on someone's face.)</p>

[Sheirark]

<p>I know a couple who have gone agi/wis, it works well for dps, comes down alot to what u are really wanting from ur class.  Wis/Int is definetly not a pure dps spec.  It is however the closest thing to a tank spec imo that u are going to get as a bruiser.  Long ago i used to be str sta int and i got good dps out of it just going down to 3rd bubble in each line.  Lot's of options if u like pure dps so i'd say play around with it and see what spurrs ur interest the most.  Nice thing about aa is if u pick something and hate it, it's easily changeable : )</p>

[Raca]

go with the pure dps build, pick three and go three down, 448. Im in full mastercrafted and I tank everything I do pretty well. I NEVER use defensive stance either. I've tanked everything but Unrest and CMM. Only switch to defensive if we have a screw up or maybe on a tough named, not cause I have to to be able to succeed.

[tt66]

If I wasn't AGI/INT, I'd go WIS/INT. Now that crane flock is on a 3 minute timer, it really is up there in terms of "DPS builds". I guess it might not be <b>sustainable</b> DPS, but that's only really of interest if you're a raider (in which case, I recommend AGI/INT). But it's hard to think of a better build for burst dps (excluding some sort of wacky STR/WIS hybrid thing, that I'd love to try some day but just can't bring myself to leave INT for). The fact that it's also the best tanking/soloing spec means that for a non-raider, it would take a lot to sway me from WIS/INT.

[Quicksilver74]

<cite>Anphimo@Oasis wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p> Does anyone run AGI / WIS?  (I know that question is sacrelige... but there it is, out in the open like a mole on someone's face.)</p></blockquote><p>I run AGI / WIS both lines all the way down.  my guild just recently reformed and we are re-learning all raid content at the moment.  I found Altruism to be a very valuable ability for the time being, and the faster recast timers are also a huge plus.  </p><p>   The WIS line is self explanatory...it rocks.   I chose NOT to go down the INT line due to the fact that I got lucky recently and ended up getting a resplendant Robe of Battle, which really helps make up for the lack of Crits by not going down the INT line.  All in all my DPS is still around 2500, and I have some good utility as well.  </p>

[tt66]

<cite>Crabbok@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Anphimo@Oasis wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p> Does anyone run AGI / WIS?  (I know that question is sacrelige... but there it is, out in the open like a mole on someone's face.)</p></blockquote><p>I run AGI / WIS both lines all the way down.  my guild just recently reformed and we are re-learning all raid content at the moment.  I found Altruism to be a very valuable ability for the time being, and the faster recast timers are also a huge plus.  </p><p>   The WIS line is self explanatory...it rocks.   I chose NOT to go down the INT line due to the fact that I got lucky recently and ended up getting a resplendant Robe of Battle, which really helps make up for the lack of Crits by not going down the INT line.  All in all my DPS is still around 2500, and I have some good utility as well.  </p></blockquote>Congratulations, that robe is incredibly awesome. And you make a darn good point, if you have that thing then the INT line looks very poor in comparison!

[Greavous]

<p>I'm fully spec'd for tanking, so dps for me is just about holding agro. In the right group I'm doing 1.8k + on most named. Sometimes I can pop a 2.2-2.5k on the right mobs.</p>Trouble is our scouts are all doing closer to 3k most fights so the gap is huge. Maybe if I went totally dps I could get around 2k average but if I wanted to dps I would roll a Swashy or Assassin. I hear a lot of people talking about scouts being able to tank as well as Bruisers. It maybe true when u have a dps spec'd brawler but not when tanking is your job, Our scouts are kick [Removed for Content] but if the [Removed for Content] hits the fan and they grab a mob it's curtains (talking about TR7 Epics). We can tank a lot of the epics in game that would destroy a scout in a heart beat. A Bruiser isn't the best dps. He isn't the best Tank, but god he looks good doin his thing.

[Elspith]

<p>i really enjoy the idea of bare hand fighting so my bruiser is set up for that. She has filled the str and int line.  with her spells at master/adept 3 and decent gear she does pretty well <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>