Forming groups through random tells

[erin]

The last few nights I've gotten random tells "want to tank [x] for us?" type tells.  Now, I wasn't /lfg.  I didn't say lfg in channels.  In fact, I was already grouped all those times.  So my question is, do you do this, send random tells to whatever folks are the right level/class for what you need to complete your group, and if you do, how well does it work?  Does it take 4 tells, 8 tells, 20 tells, before you generally find someone?I'm curious, this is much more curiosity than rant.

[Gnevil]

Happens to me all the time, well everytime I log in my healer lol ...My tank gets it too ...It's one of the reasons amoung many that so many high level peeps go /anon   they just don't want to be bothered.

[interstellarmatter]

<p>I never send random tells but it doesn't hurt.  It's just like asking a random person on the street for help.  There are many people who weren't thinking of doing something who might be interested.  I've seen many groups pick up members this way.  </p><p>Otherwise, just tell them no thanks, not interested in a group at the moment.  If they still keep bugging you, then that is considered very rude.</p>

[Sandain666]

Personally  Idon't do this. BUT I am often on the receiving end of these tells. (I am a healer). Sometimes I actually accept the invites just because I get bored of harvesting or solo questing. What is really funny to me is when I get tells asking me to heal when I am clearly in Emerald Halls or some other raid zone.

[Menji]

I have not seen this as a tank or healer, but i'm also anon for spam. I have seen this in other games. If you have a LFG tag then these tells are fine.If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG. If you need a tank or healer then use the LFG tool (that isn't used) or broadcast.

[Xanu]

That's very respectful of them.  I would appreciate that very much.  It definitely beats them sending random invites and it's easy to tell them, thanks for the invite, but I'm not grouping now.

[noetici]

I have been getting a lot of such tells on my guardian that I've been levelling. If I walk by someone that needs help I will help but I have never and probably won't ever agree to go tank for a random person that sent me a tell while I was not LFG, and most likely not even in the same zone or close to it. If you are right next to the person then I understand them asking you but if you're not then IMO it's annoying. It is the main reason people started going /anon even when they're not after contested mobs.

[Oakleafe]

I get asked to join groups even though I have never set the LFG flag (ever!).  Personally I have no objection to this at all.  Players need to group and if the classes then need are not available on the LFG list then it's fair enough to use other methods to try and fill the group.What I do object to is being invited to a group without someone first sending me a tell asking if I want to join.I have sent direct /tell's to players for group forming, but these would have been where we are all seemingly trying to do the same thing.  Mostly if I am trying to form a group I'll use /ooc, guild chat and direct tells to my friends.I guess part of the problem is that there appears to be so few players in each zone nowadays that /ooc and /shout doesn't attract enough players.

[Chondrichtheyia]

I'm a Warden, and it happens to me, especially if I am questing in a zone that also houses an instance/dungeon. If they're polite in how they ask, I am polite about refusing; but if they're rude or annoying, I just don't ever reply back - and after about 2 tries, they give up. Getting random whispers actually happened to my Priest A LOT more frequently in WoW; it's really not too common here.What I really hate, though, are blind invitations! Someone just randomly inviting me from across the zone - someone I've never seen, met or heard of - just really peeves me!

[interstellarmatter]

<cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p>

[Nuhus]

I got sent a random tell to tank once. Problem was I was /anon and it was on my troub (I have no tank char), also like 2 or 3 tiers above me lol.

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p></blockquote>^Exactly. Asking someone a question doesnt hurt and is NOT rude. Bugging someone after they tell you no IS rude.I get tells ALL the time on my defiler. I just say no thanks. Its not that hard. It's also not that hard, IF the tells bother you so much, to put up /roleplay or /anon.I dont see why people even get all riled up about this lol. It is indeed a social game.. if you dont like playing with others I would suggest the Sony Playstation or perhaps the Xbox more to your liking.

[Nuhus]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p></blockquote>I agree. I don't mind a random tell. I'd much prefer that than a stealth group invite. If they continue to bug me once I politely say no then I get annoyed.

[Lasai]

<p>Polite tells never really annoy me.  </p><p>Invite spam annoys me tremendously.  </p><p>A tell is definately the lesser evil.</p>

[Chondrichtheyia]

<cite>Nolus@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got sent a random tell to tank once. Problem was I was /anon and it was on my troub (I have no tank char), also like 2 or 3 tiers above me lol.</blockquote>You should've agreed!

[Rolande']

 I dont mind a tell at all.. I utterly hate blind invites. Even if I am LFG, I would like to know where and what the group is doing before I join. Instead of telling the person I don't appreciate the blind invite and they should send a /tell first.. like i used to do.. I now just /ignore the leader who sent the invite.

[Menji]

<cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p></blockquote>so is it any different then the plat tells we were getting, i don't want to buy plat, if i did i would make it known. Same thing, repeated tells for a group when your not interested is rude.I have seen it start this way in other games, then it becomes the normal way of inviting someone to a group, then they stop the tells and just send blind invites.

[siasinas]

I dont mind a Random tell to tank if i'm not busy i will do it, but its these blind invites that annoy me the most.

[Nuhus]

<cite>Chondrichtheyia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nolus@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I got sent a random tell to tank once. Problem was I was /anon and it was on my troub (I have no tank char), also like 2 or 3 tiers above me lol.</blockquote>You should've agreed!</blockquote>Yeh, but they probably would have said I was a horrible guardian once we got going.

[KBern]

<cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p></blockquote>so is it any different then the plat tells we were getting, i don't want to buy plat, if i did i would make it known. Same thing, repeated tells for a group when your not interested is rude.<b><u>I have seen it start this way in other games, then it becomes the normal way of inviting someone to a group, then they stop the tells and just send blind invites.</u></b></blockquote><p>It is very different.  One is a business spamming hundreds of users in order to have you log into a company site to break the EULA and cheat at the game.</p><p>The invite tells is a simple tell from another player looking for more people to play the game with.  I will take a tell over a blind invite anyday.</p><p>It actually polite, and you can always just ignore the tell if you want.</p><p>And your last sentence is ridiculous at best.  You make it sound like you are describing a gateway drug to rudeness.</p>

[azekah]

<cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite> so is it any different then the plat tells we were getting, i don't want to buy plat, if i did i would make it known. Same thing, repeated tells for a group when your not interested is rude.I have seen it start this way in other games, then it becomes the normal way of inviting someone to a group, then they stop the tells and just send blind invites.</blockquote>Quite different...plat sellers are doing something that breaks the TOS and is not allowed in game...so there is no reason ever to get a plat tell...Grouping on the other hand is actually encouraged. Honestly, I don't know how many times I've forgotten to put my /lfg tag up when I was actually lfg...or how many times I've put groups together by sending tells to whoever is on the list. People are generally slackers when it comes to grouping, so if you send them a tell saying we have a group and are lfm they will usually be more inclined to join you. Anyway, I don't mind getting tells, as long as they do that instead of sending a random invite. In fact, if you don't want to group you don't even really have to respond. No response at all will usually let them know your not interested or afk, so either way no good to them.On the whole plat filtering thing...anyone else have to fight really hard not to press view when they get spam?Lol, I can't help wanting to look!

[erin]

Funny part is, not one reply addressed the question I asked <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I never said I thought it was rude or not rude.  I asked how many tells does it take to form a group this way.  I realize I don't "own" the thread, and it apparently took on a life of its own, I just think its interesting that not one person answered the question.

[Nuhus]

<cite>azekah wrote:</cite><blockquote>On the whole plat filtering thing...anyone else have to fight really hard not to press view when they get spam?Lol, I can't help wanting to look!</blockquote>There was one that did come up. But it was from the TEST server so yeah I looked. Which is just strange.

[thebunny]

<cite>Cohan@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote> I dont mind a tell at all.. I utterly hate blind invites. Even if I am LFG, I would like to know where and what the group is doing before I join. Instead of telling the person I don't appreciate the blind invite and they should send a /tell first.. like i used to do.. I now just /ignore the leader who sent the invite. </blockquote><p>/agree</p><p>I personally have only sent blind tells a couple of times, and only after I had exhausted all other options.  But I don't mind getting random tells asking me to group, because I see that as someone being respectful enough to give you the choice.  More often than not I'm already busy with something, but every now and then I'll take them up on it if I'm not doing anything else.</p><p>Getting blind invites, now that is incredibly annoying, and a quick way to get that person on my ignore list.</p>

[Nuhus]

<cite>erin wrote:</cite><blockquote>Funny part is, not one reply addressed the question I asked <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />I never said I thought it was rude or not rude.  I asked how many tells does it take to form a group this way.  I realize I don't "own" the thread, and it apparently took on a life of its own, I just think its interesting that not one person answered the question.</blockquote>Generally when I send tells to form a group they are on my friends list. It can differ. Usually I do it for filler spots.

[xandez]

<p>imo theres nothing wrong about asking... in fact i'd prolly join if someone asked even if i wasnt LFg just to help and such... *shrug*on the other hand, blind invites suck. i autodecline em unless im camping some mob and someone next to me invites me w/o asking... thats another story of course <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>++Xan</p>

[Menji]

<cite>Saurakk@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>interstellarmatter wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Menji wrote:</cite><blockquote>If your not LFG then it's very rude to send random tells annoying others who are not LFG.</blockquote><p>How is it rude to ask someone a question?  Bugging them if you don't like the answer is one thing.  This is suppose to be a social game.  I don't how asking, "Hey, we were looking for a tank, would you be interested?" is the so evil.  The LFG flag just makes it easier to show that you are actively looking for a group.  But we shouldn't close ourselves off to the point where just talking to each other is considered rude.</p></blockquote>so is it any different then the plat tells we were getting, i don't want to buy plat, if i did i would make it known. Same thing, repeated tells for a group when your not interested is rude.<b><u>I have seen it start this way in other games, then it becomes the normal way of inviting someone to a group, then they stop the tells and just send blind invites.</u></b></blockquote><p>It is very different.  One is a business spamming hundreds of users in order to have you log into a company site to break the EULA and cheat at the game.</p><p>The invite tells is a simple tell from another player looking for more people to play the game with.  I will take a tell over a blind invite anyday.</p><p>It actually polite, and you can always just ignore the tell if you want.</p><p>And your last sentence is ridiculous at best.  You make it sound like you are describing a gateway drug to rudeness.</p></blockquote>It's ridiculous at best, not so, I stated that I watched it happen as i described in another game. Maybe it won't happen in this game, maybe it will.

[BowB4Me]

Off-topic slightly but I would much rather have a polite tell asking me to group with someone - even if not lfg - tha have ninja invites from some person who does not have the manners to ask if i want to group where they are going.I remember once receiving 12 'ninja'-invites from the same person who didin't seem to understand the concept of communication.  When I sent them a tell asking them why they kept spamming me they basically said I was the only nuker of appropriate level around and no one was lfg.Now while my self-esteem may have been dented by this, I was way more annoyed by the fact that they wouldn't ask if I wanted to join - the assumption was made that I was actually gagging to group with them to the extent of dropping everything I was doing (harvesting) and rush to the other end of Norrath to help them with hteir questing.Now I am not saying I refuse to help people if their ends don't match mine, but I will refuse to help people if they don't have the manners to ask nicely.

[Gladiia]

<cite>xandez wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>imo theres nothing wrong about asking... in fact i'd prolly join if someone asked even if i wasnt LFg just to help and such... *shrug*on the other hand, blind invites suck. i autodecline em unless im camping some mob and someone next to me invites me w/o asking... thats another story of course <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>++Xan</p></blockquote><p>That's probably the only acceptable "blind invite" - - but in that situation, I think both parties know exactly what the other is doing, and it can make life easier fro both =D</p><p>Blind invites....I hate em.  Had someone send me a blind invite on my 70 monk (might not have been 70 then, but high 60s at least), and I decline.  Then they send another, so I look up the person, and send them a tell asking them to stop sending me blind invites.  The person was a level 20 something.  They replied to my tell, saying that I needed to help them level.</p>

[Catwalkk]

I've formed quite a few groups with people in the same zone, doing the same quests.  Either I send a tell first, or they do, and it works fine.  I'm wary of blind invites tho... usually it's someone 4 zones away wanting to finish a quest and inviting everyone they see in their level range.  What I hate even worse tho is people sending tells and pestering me to duel when I have duels on auto-decline.  Apparently the word "no" is something that a few people fail to understand.

[Tae]

On PvP servers, absolutely everyone is flagged Anonymous or Roleplaying. I never even considered it would be any different. But since the community is also a lot smaller, everyone knows everyone else and I've had "random" tells asking me to join groups. It seems to work out well, but I guess it's not the same as tells from people you've never ever seen before.