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DreadPirate

08-31-2007, 01:15 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite> <blockquote>It's a claim item that is exclusively for the people who go to fan-faire.So, if you go to fan-faire, you get to be first to beta the new LoN card game and you get an exclusive claim item (that looks quite nice).Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>Wrong on both counts.It may be easier for some Americans, as it is held in this country... but many Americans still couldn't go.... like me.And other countries are not excluded. I know of several people from Europe have gone. Just because you didn't go, don't make it out to be some conspiracy. You think Codemasters would have a convention in New York? Not likely... relax, you'll age slower.

Kiara-

08-31-2007, 01:42 PM

<cite>Taea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Auroz - lol, that's nearly exactly what the other person said <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>* shifty *Who could that have been?

PRALL

08-31-2007, 11:06 PM

<cite>Hey! Quit looking at my butt! </cite><cite> (Yeah, that screenie on Allah's is of me.)</cite><cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite> <blockquote>It's a claim item that is exclusively for the people who go to fan-faire.So, if you go to fan-faire, you get to be first to beta the new LoN card game and you get an exclusive claim item (that looks quite nice).Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>Wrong on both counts.It may be easier for some Americans, as it is held in this country... but many Americans still couldn't go.... like me.And other countries are not excluded. I know of several people from Europe have gone. Just because you didn't go, don't make it out to be some conspiracy. You think Codemasters would have a convention in New York? Not likely... relax, you'll age slower.</blockquote>I met two people from the Netherlands and one from England.at Fan Faire... Last I checked, there was not an American Citizenship requirement... hmmm.... oh yeah, and I went into debt to get to the event so I wouldn't say it was easy to get there. Oh, and one more thing.... The thread is about an item in game, not your conspiracy theory! De-railing threads makes baby Jesus cry... /nod.

Sandain666

09-01-2007, 04:24 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.</blockquote>It is nice to see that Americans are not the only people who can be overly dramatic.Sandain

retro_guy

09-01-2007, 04:31 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.</blockquote>I wouldn't say it's easy for everyone in the US to get to Fan Faire, lol.</blockquote>I wanted to go to Fan Faire but couldn't locate the USA on the world map, have you guys changed the name or something?Grumble, South Africa, Asian, Iraq.

Winter

09-02-2007, 12:57 AM

<cite>Taea wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey I brought the cheese! You know, for your whine!It's a beautiful cloak. I know someone who was VERY happy about the purple <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>I absolutely LOVE the color - considering I'm like, all pink... I'm all over this cloak like it's all over me, bebeh!

Hellswrath

09-02-2007, 08:37 PM

Very cool looking cloak. Shame about the recast timer, but I don't think it really matters.

GuardianOfTheDe

09-02-2007, 09:57 PM

AWWW..... I chose the wrong game for my item it appears <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> That looks AWESOME!

Galldora

09-02-2007, 10:07 PM

My little halfling LOVES her cloak, but she stands here in South Qeynos in her underwear because she just doesn't have a thing that goes with the lovely new cloak. Suggestions, please, for what my level 45 Fury might wear that would complement the cloak. Stats aren't important, since she'll only be wearing this stuff around town anyway. It's all about the look! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/Draeknar/apheetia_cloak2a.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

Calthine

09-03-2007, 01:18 AM

<cite>Galldora wrote:</cite><blockquote>My little halfling LOVES her cloak, but she stands here in South Qeynos in her underwear because she just doesn't have a thing that goes with the lovely new cloak. Suggestions, please, for what my level 45 Fury might wear that would complement the cloak. Stats aren't important, since she'll only be wearing this stuff around town anyway. It's all about the look! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/Draeknar/apheetia_cloak2a.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>I dunno about that level, but my T7 Xegonite Melodic Chain's, um, "accents" just precisely match the color of that cloak!

Jynnan

09-03-2007, 06:29 AM

<cite>Sutures@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hey! Quit looking at my butt! </cite><cite> (Yeah, that screenie on Allah's is of me.)</cite><cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite> <blockquote>It's a claim item that is exclusively for the people who go to fan-faire.So, if you go to fan-faire, you get to be first to beta the new LoN card game and you get an exclusive claim item (that looks quite nice).Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>Wrong on both counts.It may be easier for some Americans, as it is held in this country... but many Americans still couldn't go.... like me.And other countries are not excluded. I know of several people from Europe have gone. Just because you didn't go, don't make it out to be some conspiracy. You think Codemasters would have a convention in New York? Not likely... relax, you'll age slower.</blockquote>I met two people from the Netherlands and one from England.at Fan Faire... Last I checked, there was not an American Citizenship requirement... hmmm.... oh yeah, and I went into debt to get to the event so I wouldn't say it was easy to get there. Oh, and one more thing.... The thread is about an item in game, not your conspiracy theory! De-railing threads makes baby Jesus cry... /nod.</blockquote>Dreadpirate: You say "Wrong on both counts" and then admit that it IS easier for Americans to go to Fanfaire; you also say you know of "several people from Europe who have gone". Do you think it was as easy for them to attend as it was for the people living in the states? I don't think so. Besides, that's not the point I was making. The point is that there are in-game items being made available, generally, to people of one geographical area to the exclusion of people from other geographical areas, on the basis that it is FAR more difficult for them to meet the qualifying criteria.Sutures: The fact that you met two people from Holland and one from England only goes to reinforce my point; as they say "One swallow does not a summer make". Secondly, where did I suggest that you needed American citizenship to attend Fanfaire?Finally, who said anything about a "conspiracy"? As already mentioned, I simply commented on the fact that a nice fluff item is only available to people who meet a set of criteria that is very difficult for a sizeable portion of the paying customer base to achieve. There's no suggestion of a conspiracy and I suspect you are just using the description in an attempt to cheapen my comments.

Chanaluss

09-03-2007, 06:57 AM

as an iksar, and an "iksar fanboi" (no other word i can use for it, frankly), i love anything iksar-related. Combine the fact that its purple (which matches my scales), its the best cloak in the history of ever./hug SOE

xOnaton1

09-03-2007, 11:25 AM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>It's not really worth arguing about but you may want to look up the word excluded in a dictionary.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded</a>

Armawk

09-03-2007, 11:29 AM

Oh god, my eyes!(I dont like the texture on that cloak)

Galldora

09-03-2007, 11:55 AM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galldora wrote:</cite><blockquote>My little halfling LOVES her cloak, but she stands here in South Qeynos in her underwear because she just doesn't have a thing that goes with the lovely new cloak. Suggestions, please, for what my level 45 Fury might wear that would complement the cloak. Stats aren't important, since she'll only be wearing this stuff around town anyway. It's all about the look! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/Draeknar/apheetia_cloak2a.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>I dunno about that level, but my T7 Xegonite Melodic Chain's, um, "accents" just precisely match the color of that cloak! </blockquote>Oh, that pains me! Now I am SO WISHING I had registered my friend with my second account, rather than just bringing her as a guest. As it is, only the characters on one of my accounts get the cloaks, so the one who might wear T7 chain can't have one. (Yeah, I know....pass the cheese. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />)

Calthine

09-03-2007, 12:51 PM

Galldora

09-03-2007, 01:19 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/calthine/purple.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>Oh, that is nice! My troubadour is totally peed at me for sticking her on a second account and then neglecting to register her for FF.

DreadPirate

09-03-2007, 03:00 PM

<cite>Galldora wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galldora wrote:</cite><blockquote>My little halfling LOVES her cloak, but she stands here in South Qeynos in her underwear because she just doesn't have a thing that goes with the lovely new cloak. Suggestions, please, for what my level 45 Fury might wear that would complement the cloak. Stats aren't important, since she'll only be wearing this stuff around town anyway. It's all about the look! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e294/Draeknar/apheetia_cloak2a.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="351" height="356" /></blockquote>I dunno about that level, but my T7 Xegonite Melodic Chain's, um, "accents" just precisely match the color of that cloak! </blockquote>Oh, that pains me! Now I am SO WISHING I had registered my friend with my second account, rather than just bringing her as a guest. As it is, only the characters on one of my accounts get the cloaks, so the one who might wear T7 chain can't have one. (Yeah, I know....pass the cheese. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />)</blockquote>Here's the looks of <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/article_page.php?article=g101&menustr=065000000000" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">crafted leather armor</a>. Some of them might look OK.

ke'la

09-03-2007, 03:21 PM

<cite>Galldora wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><img src="http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a230/calthine/purple.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="564" height="365" /></blockquote>Oh, that is nice! My troubadour is totally peed at me for sticking her on a second account and then neglecting to register her for FF. </blockquote>I wonder if you where willing to spend the 100$ to transfer her to your registered account, /claim the robe for her on that account, and then transfer her back if she could keep the robe?

Calthine

09-03-2007, 03:27 PM

$100 for a fluff item?nah.

PRALL

09-03-2007, 09:31 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dreadpirate: You say "Wrong on both counts" and then admit that it IS easier for Americans to go to Fanfaire; you also say you know of "several people from Europe who have gone". Do you think it was as easy for them to attend as it was for the people living in the states? I don't think so. Besides, that's not the point I was making. The point is that there are in-game items being made available, generally, to people of one geographical area to the exclusion of people from other geographical areas, on the basis that it is FAR more difficult for them to meet the qualifying criteria.Sutures: The fact that you met two people from Holland and one from England only goes to reinforce my point; as they say "One swallow does not a summer make". Secondly, where did I suggest that you needed American citizenship to attend Fanfaire?Finally, who said anything about a "conspiracy"? As already mentioned, I simply commented on the fact that a nice fluff item is only available to people who meet a set of criteria that is very difficult for a sizeable portion of the paying customer base to achieve. There's no suggestion of a conspiracy and I suspect you are just using the description in an attempt to cheapen my comments.</blockquote>Ah, but as another person has posted.. you said that Non-Americans were EXCLUDED. Not so. And my ticket to FF cost either 40,000 air miles or $1300 for a straight ticket. That's just airfare. Do you hear me complaining that they don't hold FF in Alaska? Nope. I'm sorry, but suggesting that you got excluded and a select "clique" got a flluff item is a conspiracy theory no matter how you may phrase it. You are suggesting a favortism.I'm done with the argument though. Can you please agree to keep this thread for the item, not the "fairness"? If you want to debate the fairness, please make another thread so that the cloak itself can be discussed here. (2nd request.)

DreadPirate

09-04-2007, 01:22 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dreadpirate: You say "Wrong on both counts" and then admit that it IS easier for Americans to go to Fanfaire; you also say you know of "several people from Europe who have gone". Do you think it was as easy for them to attend as it was for the people living in the states? I don't think so. Besides, that's not the point I was making. The point is that there are in-game items being made available, generally, to people of one geographical area to the exclusion of people from other geographical areas, on the basis that it is FAR more difficult for them to meet the qualifying criteria....Finally, who said anything about a "conspiracy"? As already mentioned, I simply commented on the fact that a nice fluff item is only available to people who meet a set of criteria that is very difficult for a sizeable portion of the paying customer base to achieve. There's no suggestion of a conspiracy and I suspect you are just using the description in an attempt to cheapen my comments.</blockquote>Easier? Yes. EXCLUDED? No. And you're right, the "in-game item [is] being made available, generally, to people of one geographical area to the exclusion of people from other geographical areas."Yep, absolutely right! People that were in Las Vegas, Nevada attending the SOE Fan Faire will get the item, and everyone else in the 'Verse will not. That's the only geography lesson involved here. It's available to anyone with the financial means to get to the Fan Faire. Are you going to want SOE to discount Overseas Air Fares next time? Yeah... uh... not going to happen. If you want it so badly, then go to the Fan Faire next time. Personally, I don't think it's worth getting my panties in a twist."Besides, that's not the point I was making." You have no point other than.. "I want the pretty cloak... gimme, gimme."

09-04-2007, 01:26 PM

The cloak is so sexy with the LoN Mage carpet:<img src="http://www.eq2flames.com/imagehosting/446d79eddd0a3b.gif" alt="" border="0" />

ke'la

09-04-2007, 01:29 PM

<cite>LFG wrote:</cite><blockquote>The cloak is so sexy with the LoN Mage carpet:<img src="http://www.eq2flames.com/imagehosting/446d79eddd0a3b.gif" border="0" alt="" width="545" height="512" /></blockquote>Wich LoN carpet is that? and yeah it does look good... now you just need to get matching armor for your future appearance slots. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 01:52 PM

<cite>Othesus@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>It's not really worth arguing about but you may want to look up the word excluded in a dictionary.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded</a></blockquote>Non-US residents are being excluded as a matter of their geography. You can't tell me that it is more expensive for an internal flight in the US to get to Las Vegas, than a flight from outside of the US?This fact is borne out by the evidence; only a small handful of participants at the Fanfaire were non-US residents and I'll wager that that is a much smaller ratio of attendees compared with the number of US/Rest of the World players.I'm quite happy with the use of the word "excluded"; the logistics involved justify the term.

Calthine

09-04-2007, 02:02 PM

Oh, give it a rest already. By your logic anyone who lived more than 500 or so miles away from Las Vegas was "excluded". Anyone who bought a digital download of DoF instead of a box was excluded from having a monkey pet. Anyone who didn't log on for two weeks in March was excluded from getting a Brell keg.Next you're going to bring out risk vs reward.It's a pretty, no-stats, fluff dress-up item. It's not game breaking. Please beat your "SOE hates non-US residents" drum elsewhere.

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 02:08 PM

<cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote>You have no point other than.. "I want the pretty cloak... gimme, gimme."</blockquote>Even if that were the case, could you really blame me? That cloak does look nice. OK, it's only a fluff item, but it is only available to a small, select (cliquey?) group who have the wherewithall to go to Las Vegas for a weekend.It would be nice if SoE could come up with some ideas that involve all players from all nations for once, instead of just restricting competitions and in game gift items to (on the whole) US citizens.

Chanaluss

09-04-2007, 02:19 PM

meh, softskins have no appreciation for things sebilisian anyway. Iksar good, softskins bad *leaves to start an iksar-only demonstration in front of the qeynos gates*

SG_01

09-04-2007, 02:35 PM

09-04-2007, 03:24 PM

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 03:28 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, give it a rest already. By your logic anyone who lived more than 500 or so miles away from Las Vegas was "excluded". Anyone who bought a digital download of DoF instead of a box was excluded from having a monkey pet. Anyone who didn't log on for two weeks in March was excluded from getting a Brell keg.Next you're going to bring out risk vs reward.It's a pretty, no-stats, fluff dress-up item. It's not game breaking. Please beat your "SOE hates non-US residents" drum elsewhere.</blockquote>Why do you always feel the need to try to project someone's logic to ridiculous extremes? You're talking absolute rubbish now!You've put "SOE hates non-US residents" in quotes - I didn't say anything of the sort simply because I don't agree with that sentiment. However, I DO believe that they could try to do more to include the rest of their playerbase once in a while. I thought you were an intelligent woman, Calthine! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

DreadPirate

09-04-2007, 03:33 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, give it a rest already. By your logic anyone who lived more than 500 or so miles away from Las Vegas was "excluded". Anyone who bought a digital download of DoF instead of a box was excluded from having a monkey pet. Anyone who didn't log on for two weeks in March was excluded from getting a Brell keg.Next you're going to bring out risk vs reward.It's a pretty, no-stats, fluff dress-up item. It's not game breaking. Please beat your "SOE hates non-US residents" drum elsewhere.</blockquote>Why do you always feel the need to try to project someone's logic to ridiculous extremes? You're talking absolute rubbish now!You've put "SOE hates non-US residents" in quotes - I didn't say anything of the sort simply because I don't agree with that sentiment. However, I DO believe that they could try to do more to include the rest of their playerbase once in a while. I thought you were an intelligent woman, Calthine! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>She is, but she's having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.The only one taking rubbish here is you.

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 03:37 PM

<cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, give it a rest already. By your logic anyone who lived more than 500 or so miles away from Las Vegas was "excluded". Anyone who bought a digital download of DoF instead of a box was excluded from having a monkey pet. Anyone who didn't log on for two weeks in March was excluded from getting a Brell keg.Next you're going to bring out risk vs reward.It's a pretty, no-stats, fluff dress-up item. It's not game breaking. Please beat your "SOE hates non-US residents" drum elsewhere.</blockquote>Why do you always feel the need to try to project someone's logic to ridiculous extremes? You're talking absolute rubbish now!You've put "SOE hates non-US residents" in quotes - I didn't say anything of the sort simply because I don't agree with that sentiment. However, I DO believe that they could try to do more to include the rest of their playerbase once in a while. I thought you were an intelligent woman, Calthine! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>She is, but she's having a battle of wits with an unarmed person.The only one taking rubbish here is you.</blockquote>Ahhh! Are you sticking up for her now? THere, there ... that's nice, very cosy! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />What was I saying about cliques?

Calthine

09-04-2007, 03:46 PM

/raises an eyebrowOoookay. Enjoy your world./walks away.

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 03:53 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>/raises an eyebrowOoookay. Enjoy your world./walks away.</blockquote>Byeeee! <waves>

Gagla

09-04-2007, 04:34 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote>You have no point other than.. "I want the pretty cloak... gimme, gimme."</blockquote>Even if that were the case, could you really blame me? That cloak does look nice. OK, it's only a fluff item, but it is only available to a small, select (cliquey?) group who have the wherewithall to go to Las Vegas for a weekend.It would be nice if SoE could come up with some ideas that involve all players from all nations for once, instead of just restricting competitions and in game gift items to (on the whole) US citizens.</blockquote>I don't think Fan Faire was directed at Americans. It was directed at SOE customers with money. "If you have money, come spend it!" Is the basic principle and if you can't understand why a company would want to make money, then I'm not sure what to tell you.And at the end of the night SOE was like, "Thanks for spending money, here's a worthless item to bring you back next year."

ke'la

09-04-2007, 04:44 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Othesus@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Those players who live in America get to go to Fan-faire easily, whilst us people who live elsewhere in the world get excluded. Again.I'm afraid that this game is starting to become a bit "cliquey", where only certain people seem to get the benefits. I shouldn't think that you'll see many Australasians, Europeans or Asians wearing that cloak!</blockquote>It's not really worth arguing about but you may want to look up the word excluded in a dictionary.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/excluded</a></blockquote>Non-US residents are being excluded as a matter of their geography. You can't tell me that it is more expensive for an internal flight in the US to get to Las Vegas, than a flight from outside of the US?This fact is borne out by the evidence; only a small handful of participants at the Fanfaire were non-US residents and I'll wager that that is a much smaller ratio of attendees compared with the number of US/Rest of the World players.I'm quite happy with the use of the word "excluded"; the logistics involved justify the term.</blockquote>I just looked up a flight from Paris France to Las Vegas leaving Wendsday and returning Sunday(about what it would be going to Fan Fair), guess what? The prices started at $865 round trip toping out at $1813, seeing as this is the ONLY major expence that would be any differant between a US citizen and a Non-Citizen and that a previous poster already said it cost him almost $1200 I would say that your "Logistics" argument just got blown out of the water. And BTW, including layovers you can spend more time flying coast to coast in the US then you can flying from Europe to the US.::EDIT::Looks like I just did. I am sorry but you seem unaware of a) the Geography of the US and b) the shear SIZE of the US. What your are saying it basicly is that it is Cheaper for someone to fly from Moscow to Paris then from New York to Paris, because Moscow to Paris is on the same Contenant. It also does not take into account that ALOT of US airports are in remote areas and only servace a few cities. For exsample if you want to fly on a Contenatal Airlines plane from Denver(hardly a remote city) to anywhere West of Denver(say vegas) you have to either Fly to Newark, New Jersy(east coast), Atlanta, Georga(East Coast), or Houston,Texas(south East of Denver) wich means to Fly WEST from Denver you accually have to fly EAST first.

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 05:00 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just looked up a flight from Paris France to Las Vegas leaving Wendsday and returning Sunday(about what it would be going to Fan Fair), guess what? The prices started at $865 round trip toping out at $1813, seeing as this is the ONLY major expence that would be any differant between a US citizen and a Non-Citizen and that a previous poster already said it cost him almost $1200 I would say that your "Logistics" argument just got blown out of the water. And BTW, including layovers you can spend more time flying coast to coast in the US then you can flying from Europe to the US.</blockquote>... and I still stand by my "exclusive" claim. The poster above you really knocks it on the head - it's all about money and so that still makes it exclusive. How can you say that spending $1813 is a trifling amount for people to pay, and use it to justify your claim that it blows my argument out of the water? If you've got spare money to throw away like that, then good for you, but the numbers of non-US players who showed up at Fanfaire confirm that that is not a trifling amount.Sheesh!

ke'la

09-04-2007, 05:19 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just looked up a flight from Paris France to Las Vegas leaving Wendsday and returning Sunday(about what it would be going to Fan Fair), guess what? The prices started at $865 round trip toping out at $1813, seeing as this is the ONLY major expence that would be any differant between a US citizen and a Non-Citizen and that a previous poster already said it cost him almost $1200 I would say that your "Logistics" argument just got blown out of the water. And BTW, including layovers you can spend more time flying coast to coast in the US then you can flying from Europe to the US.</blockquote>... and I still stand by my "exclusive" claim. The poster above you really knocks it on the head - it's all about money and so that still makes it exclusive. How can you say that spending $1813 is a trifling amount for people to pay,I didn't and I notice you glossed over the $865 wich is CHEAPER then what others who live in the US pay. and use it to justify your claim that it blows my argument out of the water? What I am blowing out of the water is this this agrument you gave "You can't tell me that it is more expensive for an internal flight in the US to get to Las Vegas, than a flight from outside of the US?" If you've got spare money to throw away like that, then good for you, but the numbers of non-US players who showed up at Fanfaire confirm that that is not a trifling amount. Sheesh!</blockquote>I see you skipped over the $865 lowest price, convinant. You are saying that they are excluding people from outside the US because it costs to much to get to the US. When I PROVED that it is the same price or CHEAPER to get to Vegas from outside the US you then change the "exclution" to cost. Yes, if you can't afford to Pre-Register and goto Fan Fair you don't get a cool cloak, but to say it excludes those outside the US is just flat wrong. It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money to go thier. Guess what there where people who LIVE IN VEGAS that did not want to spend the $80ish Dollars to go there and they are not getting the iteam either. The sad thing is you knew LONG befor now that if you did not goto Fan Fair(wich anyone that wants to go can goto) that you would not be getting an iteam in game that those that went did. It was your CHOICE not to spend the money to go. In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE WAY for you to join in, there was and therefor you where not excluded.

SG_01

09-04-2007, 05:27 PM

Let me get this straight, you're complaining about not being able to get a fluff item? Is that it? Seriously, I wouldn't go to Fan Faire just to get an item, that's an utter waste of the money. You could get the item by just pre-registering, even if you where not going to attend.Really, you didn't need to attend Fan Faire to get the item. But spending $89 just to get this cloak sounds like an utter waste to me.Aside from all that, the reason they don't do Fan Faires outside of the US, is that it's too expensive to arrange it elsewhere, probably. If not, it'll have to do with the different laws that they'd have to research to even be able to get there.See, if it's too expensive for you to attend, then why don't you look at it the other way around? How expensive would it be for them to do a Fan Faire here. To start they'd need to fly out a bunch of employees, at the cost that you're not even willing to pay for yourself. Then they need to spend extra to research if they can even hold it, and find a location. Seriously, what are you thinking?

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 05:36 PM

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see you skipped over the $865 lowest price, convinant... It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money to go thier... In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE WAY for you to join in, there was and therefor you where not excluded.</blockquote>I didn't skip over the $865, I just didn't mention it - didn't need to. (and the word is "convenient&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Secondly, you just confirmed my argument for me, and for that I thank you, with the words "It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money ...". So you admit that it is exclusive then?Finally, you say "In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE (sic) WAY for you to join in". It is not POSSIBLE for me to spare $865, therefore, ipso-facto, I was excluded!QED

SG_01

09-04-2007, 05:39 PM

Do you think he even read my post? ^^

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 05:46 PM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let me get this straight, you're complaining about not being able to get a fluff item? Is that it? Seriously, I wouldn't go to Fan Faire just to get an item, that's an utter waste of the money. You could get the item by just pre-registering, even if you where not going to attend.Really, you didn't need to attend Fan Faire to get the item. But spending $89 just to get this cloak sounds like an utter waste to me.Aside from all that, the reason they don't do Fan Faires outside of the US, is that it's too expensive to arrange it elsewhere, probably. If not, it'll have to do with the different laws that they'd have to research to even be able to get there.See, if it's too expensive for you to attend, then why don't you look at it the other way around? How expensive would it be for them to do a Fan Faire here. To start they'd need to fly out a bunch of employees, at the cost that you're not even willing to pay for yourself. Then they need to spend extra to research if they can even hold it, and find a location. Seriously, what are you thinking?</blockquote>No, I'm not complaining about not being able to get a fluff item; what I'm essentially "complaining" about is that non-US residents tend to miss out on a lot of extras that are offered, simply because of their geographical location. It may seem like a whinge to you, but it is a truism that we pay the same, if not more, to play this game and essentially get less for our money.There have recently been two "competitions" announced on these forums, both of them were EXCLUSIVELY for US residents! One was a competition to win a makeover for your in-game house and the second was for a "Player of the Year".SoE, to date, has not come up with anything to make non-US players feel part of the community in the same way that they have for US players. This is fact. It is not made up. Do you understand now how this sort of thing can get up people's noses?Also, do you really believe that SoE are so impoverished that they can't arrange something in Europe or Australia? They are part of one the world's biggest companies.Seriously, what are you thinking?

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 05:48 PM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you think he even read my post? ^^</blockquote>No, he didn't. He got a call at work he had to deal with first. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

SG_01

09-04-2007, 05:51 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Let me get this straight, you're complaining about not being able to get a fluff item? Is that it? Seriously, I wouldn't go to Fan Faire just to get an item, that's an utter waste of the money. You could get the item by just pre-registering, even if you where not going to attend.Really, you didn't need to attend Fan Faire to get the item. But spending $89 just to get this cloak sounds like an utter waste to me.Aside from all that, the reason they don't do Fan Faires outside of the US, is that it's too expensive to arrange it elsewhere, probably. If not, it'll have to do with the different laws that they'd have to research to even be able to get there.See, if it's too expensive for you to attend, then why don't you look at it the other way around? How expensive would it be for them to do a Fan Faire here. To start they'd need to fly out a bunch of employees, at the cost that you're not even willing to pay for yourself. Then they need to spend extra to research if they can even hold it, and find a location. Seriously, what are you thinking?</blockquote>No, I'm not complaining about not being able to get a fluff item; what I'm essentially "complaining" about is that non-US residents tend to miss out on a lot of extras that are offered, simply because of their geographical location. It may seem like a whinge to you, but it is a truism that we pay the same, if not more, to play this game and essentially get less for our money.There have recently been two "competitions" announced on these forums, both of them were EXCLUSIVELY for US residents! One was a competition to win a makeover for your in-game house and the second was for a "Player of the Year".SoE, to date, has not come up with anything to make non-US players feel part of the community in the same way that they have for US players. This is fact. It is not made up. Do you understand now how this sort of thing can get up people's noses?Also, do you really believe that SoE are so impoverished that they can't arrange something in Europe or Australia? They are part of one the world's biggest companies.Seriously, what are you thinking?</blockquote>I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?

SG_01

09-04-2007, 05:52 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you think he even read my post? ^^</blockquote>No, he didn't. He got a call at work he had to deal with first. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>You work that many hours and still arn't able to pay for a trip to the US? Dang.

Jynnan

09-04-2007, 05:57 PM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you think he even read my post? ^^</blockquote>No, he didn't. He got a call at work he had to deal with first. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>You work that many hours and still arn't able to pay for a trip to the US? Dang.</blockquote>Actually, I'm due to be made redundant at the end of September, so spending that amount plus accommodation would probably be a bit frivolous or irresponsible, don't you think? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

SG_01

09-04-2007, 06:03 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you think he even read my post? ^^</blockquote>No, he didn't. He got a call at work he had to deal with first. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>You work that many hours and still arn't able to pay for a trip to the US? Dang.</blockquote>Actually, I'm due to be made redundant at the end of September, so spending that amount plus accommodation would probably be a bit frivolous or irresponsible, don't you think? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Perhaps. Over here though, I believe they need to try and fit you in somewhere else before they lay you off. Or help you get a new job. That is, unless you are fired for somekind of offense.

Calthine

09-04-2007, 06:46 PM

Wow, this is almost as good as when I worked at Flames. Only without the cussing. /makes popcorn.

SG_01

09-04-2007, 07:39 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, this is almost as good as when I worked at Flames. Only without the cussing. /makes popcorn.</blockquote>*hugs Calthine and steals some popcorn*

Calthine

09-04-2007, 07:51 PM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, this is almost as good as when I worked at Flames. Only without the cussing. /makes popcorn.</blockquote>*hugs Calthine and steals some popcorn*</blockquote>HEY NOW!! Get yer own!!

Trebs

09-04-2007, 09:04 PM

SG_01 - I got a bag of popcorn in my lap if you're wanting to grab some <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

PRALL

09-05-2007, 02:26 AM

Gods.... I have asked twice already to keep the thread on topic. The topic is the cloak, not who did not get it or why.SO, in line with the actual topic.... I agree with the poster that believes the reuse is a bit long. The only reason I can see for such a reuse timer is to prevent spamming fireworks and causing lag. Sure would be nice to be able to spam it when you finish a tough instance though!

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 04:02 AM

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?</blockquote>For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=368981" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981</a> . check the second post.And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gagla

09-05-2007, 04:39 AM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>I see you skipped over the $865 lowest price, convinant... It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money to go thier... In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE WAY for you to join in, there was and therefor you where not excluded.</blockquote>I didn't skip over the $865, I just didn't mention it - didn't need to. (and the word is "convenient"<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Secondly, you just confirmed my argument for me, and for that I thank you, with the words "It ONLY excludes those unwilling or unable to spend the money ...". So you admit that it is exclusive then?Finally, you say "In order to be excluded from something there has to be NO POSSABLE (sic) WAY for you to join in". It is not POSSIBLE for me to spare $865, therefore, ipso-facto, I was excluded!QED</blockquote>I don't agree with your argument. It would be an exclusion if you were told that even if you had the money and wanted to you would be unable to participate.

Loolee

09-05-2007, 07:50 AM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?</blockquote>For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=368981" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981</a> . check the second post. Well, since you didn't read the rest of that thread, the player of the year contest was limited to US players only because the prize had a real dollar value and SOE is subject to US laws for taxes and such regarding giving out prizes. Hence the limit to US citizens. Sorry about that, its not SOE being a stickler, is the US government. It was a very nice gesture to offer it at all. Have you ever heard the phrase, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"?And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Oh, and this is the point. SG_01 was at Fan Faire this year. He's got blackmail photos of me . . . dangit.</blockquote>

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 01:30 PM

<cite>Loolee wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think you need to reread that. In fact, the "Player of the Year" competition was NOT limited to US residents, only the price of them flying you in was.Next to that, I don't think you realize the cost of these events. So yea, I think they wouldn't be able to keep their current schedule and host an event in Europe. Besides, they where at the game converence in Berlin, so if you were there, you could meet them. Where you there?And actually, I think I feel pretty much part of the community, even though I am even further from the US than you are, thank you. As such I did went to the Fan Faire this year, and had a blast. I don't think you even took the time to read where I'm from, now did ya?</blockquote>For your first point, my I direct you to this thread ... <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=368981" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=368981</a> . check the second post. Well, since you didn't read the rest of that thread, the player of the year contest was limited to US players only because the prize had a real dollar value and SOE is subject to US laws for taxes and such regarding giving out prizes. Hence the limit to US citizens. Sorry about that, its not SOE being a stickler, is the US government. It was a very nice gesture to offer it at all. Have you ever heard the phrase, "Never look a gift horse in the mouth"?And The Netherlands is less than 100 miles from where I am as the crow flys, so that's not much of a point, is it? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />">Oh, and this is the point. SG_01 was at Fan Faire this year. He's got blackmail photos of me . . . dangit.</blockquote></blockquote>Well, if it isn't the afore-mentioned Player of The Year, coming in to raise a point! We are honoured! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Loolee, sit down for a moment and let me explain ... I DID read the rest of that thread and I DO know the reasons that were cited for excluding the non-US residents from that "competition"; they were the same reasons cited for excluding all non-US residents from the House Makeover competition - and that, dear heart, is the point I was trying to make! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />You see, (and I'm repeating myself now, which is bound to upset old Prallic even more!) SoE have not, so far, come up with any little goodies in the shape of a competition or whatever, that the entire EQ2 player-base can take part in! I'm not saying they're evil or anything, (which some people with over-active imaginations think that I am) I'm just saying that it's about time that they started to come up with some INCLUSIVE competitions.Clear enough for you?The fact that SG_01 can afford to travel halfway around the world to visit a conference doesn't mean that the event is inclusive to all; as someone else mentioned, there are people in Las Vegas who play this game who would have baulked at the entrance fee alone - because it was too much for them to afford - that makes the fanfaire EXCLUSIVE! And you can throw as many dictionaries at me as you like, the use of the word "exclusive" is fine in the English language - it's just a question of semantics. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Calthine

09-05-2007, 01:36 PM

You're still not getting that your argument makes no sense. You were not excluded, you just couldn't afford to go, like probably 99% of the EQ2 community. There were about 1300 people there from all SOE games, barely a dent in the playerbase.

Loolee

09-05-2007, 02:13 PM

So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances. How is that SOE's fault?

Wiqd

09-05-2007, 02:25 PM

So if I'm hungry and I walk into a McDonald's and as you, Jynnan, to give me a 99 cent cheeseburger, but I can't afford it ... in your definition, I can accuse you and McDonald's of being exclusive? You may argue the definition of exclusive and the use of semantics all you want, but there has to be a bit of logic in an argument for it to be valid. The basic definition is: not divided or shared with others. The Fan Faire was very much divided and shared with others. They extended an invitation for everyone to come, if they could. That is NOT exclusive. As someone else mentioned, it would have been exclusive if they said "For US residents only, don't even think of coming if you don't live here because we won't let you in." That would state that even IF you had the means to go, you still couldn't and THAT is the definition of exlusivity. The bouncers who don't let people into clubs because they didn't dress nice ... not because they COULDN'T dress nice, but because they DIDN'T dress nice. That's exclusivity. If they dressed nice and came back, they'd be allowed in. That's NOT the same as them saying "Hey, come to our club, everyone's invited" and you saying "Bah, you're being exclusive because I have to spend money on gas to get to the club." It's childish and you're whining because they set something up (perhaps over and over) where you couldn't get to because of YOUR own finance issues. However, as I said before, the contests that are US only are exclusive, and for good reason.

Almeric_CoS

09-05-2007, 03:23 PM

Wow, this thread helped inspire me to <a href="http://loquaciousgamer.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-whining-and-entitlement.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">write and write and write</a>. Only part of it applies to this thread, but ...wow, just wow. One of the worst threads ever!<a href="http://loquaciousgamer.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-whining-and-entitlement.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a>

Sandain666

09-05-2007, 04:11 PM

I like the look of my cloak but the recast time really needs to be adjusted. Has anyone heard any developer say why this has such a long recast time?Guys I think you all are wasting your time trying to teach Jynnan basic definitions of English. Most likely he comes from a socialist European country where near everything is subsidized. He obviously thinks that because there are certain things that he cannot afford he is being excluded from them. By this logic anyone who cannot afford to pay for a monthly subscription is being "excluded" as well. I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain

DreadPirate

09-05-2007, 04:33 PM

<cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain</blockquote>OOoh... I like this point of view.Ok, I am changing my opinion... I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out... my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 04:44 PM

<cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I like the look of my cloak but the recast time really needs to be adjusted. Has anyone heard any developer say why this has such a long recast time?Guys I think you all are wasting your time trying to teach Jynnan basic definitions of English. Most likely he comes from a socialist European country where near everything is subsidized. He obviously thinks that because there are certain things that he cannot afford he is being excluded from them. By this logic anyone who cannot afford to pay for a monthly subscription is being "excluded" as well. I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain</blockquote>OK, Einstein, justify this hypothesis!"It's those darned commies!!"Idiot!

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 04:46 PM

<cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain</blockquote>OOoh... I like this point of view.Ok, I am changing my opinion... I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out... my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!</blockquote>Hehe!! Hoho!! Haha!! Oh please stop it, my sides are splitting due the contant laughter!!!At least it was way funnier than your comics! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 04:47 PM

<cite>Almeric@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, this thread helped inspire me to <a rel="nofollow" href="http://loquaciousgamer.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-whining-and-entitlement.html" target="_blank">write and write and write</a>. Only part of it applies to this thread, but ...wow, just wow. One of the worst threads ever!<a rel="nofollow" href="http://loquaciousgamer.blogspot.com/2007/09/on-whining-and-entitlement.html" target="_blank"></a></blockquote>yup! <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Well and truly hijacked! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 04:59 PM

<cite>Loolee wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances. How is that SOE's fault?</blockquote>Who said it was SoE's fault that I couldn't attend? Whether or not I, personally, can afford to go or not, is not the issue. This entire complaint (not every complaint is a whinge you know, so why always claim it is, just because you disagree with it?) is about in-game items being given to a small, select, bunch of people that in the end causes other players to feel left out?However much you try to justify it, it is unfair that SoE provide "extras" for US residents only. Forget about the logistics of travelling halfway around the world to go to fanfaire, what about the other competitions that exclude everyone else? They should either include everyone (and they could if only they got their house in order - other organisations can, as I have evidenced in previous threads), or no one. I will say it once more - I pay the same, if not more, than most of you who call me a whinger here and I should be entitled to the same benefits, either explicit or implicit.

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 05:02 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're still not getting that your argument makes no sense. You were not excluded, you just couldn't afford to go, like probably 99% of the EQ2 community. There were about 1300 people there from all SOE games, barely a dent in the playerbase.</blockquote>The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition. Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!

Calthine

09-05-2007, 05:03 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition. Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right!</blockquote>Um. No. Sorry.

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 05:07 PM

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>The fact that 99% of the EQ2 community could not afford to go (in your opinion) makes it exclusive by definition. Start thinking about it and you'll see I'm right! </blockquote>Um. No. Sorry.</blockquote>Er. yes. actually.And anyway, I thought you were gonna sit back and watch, with your popcorn?Women are so fickle. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

DreadPirate

09-05-2007, 05:10 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sandain666 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am looking forward to seeing this thread continue though. If Jynnan is successful in his argument maybe I can convine Sony I am being "excluded" from their high end plasma TV's due to the price.Sandain</blockquote>OOoh... I like this point of view.Ok, I am changing my opinion... I'm siding with Jynnan now, and SoE owes me a brand new, top-of-the-line PC so I can play the game with all the settings maxed out... my PC is being excluded from those settings!!!</blockquote>Hehe!! Hoho!! Haha!! Oh please stop it, my sides are splitting due the contant laughter!!!At least it was way funnier than your comics! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.And for that, I thank you. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Jynnan

09-05-2007, 05:14 PM

<cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.And for that, I thank you. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>You're welcome <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Although, I have to admit that I didn't make much progress with them to be honest. Have you read the FTW comics? Now they ARE funny! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

DreadPirate

09-05-2007, 05:18 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DreadPirate wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh, there are plenty of things funnier than my comics... like your logic.But, for you to be truly offering an opinion, and not just a lame attempt at a flame, you had to have read my comics.And for that, I thank you. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>You're welcome <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Although, I have to admit that I didn't make much progress with them to be honest. Have you read the FTW comics? Now they ARE funny! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Well, at least there is something we agree on.

Wiqd

09-05-2007, 05:40 PM

<cite>Jynnan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Loolee wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, the only thing excluding you from attending this event was YOUR finances. How is that SOE's fault?</blockquote>Who said it was SoE's fault that I couldn't attend? Whether or not I, personally, can afford to go or not, is not the issue. This entire complaint (not every complaint is a whinge you know, so why always claim it is, just because you disagree with it?) is about in-game items being given to a small, select, bunch of people that in the end causes other players to feel left out?However much you try to justify it, it is unfair that SoE provide "extras" for US residents only. Forget about the logistics of travelling halfway around the world to go to fanfaire, what about the other competitions that exclude everyone else? They should either include everyone (and they could if only they got their house in order - other organisations can, as I have evidenced in previous threads), or no one. I will say it once more - I pay the same, if not more, than most of you who call me a whinger here and I should be entitled to the same benefits, either explicit or implicit.</blockquote>You're wrong though. SOE isn't providing extras for US residents only, in the case of the Fan Faire anyway. AND ... you DO pay the same for the game, everyone does. 15 bucks a month. What you did NOT pay, was the cost of what quite a few of the people paid to register for the Fan Faire, fly to the Fan Faire and stay in Vegas. Even those who lived here had to pay money to attend. So, why ... if they paid MORE than everyone else who chose NOT to go to the Fan Faire, should they not get MORE? Follows the logic you've been providing.Point is, after all is said and done, that you feel entitled to something because you pay for the game. Well, you're GETTING everything everyone else is getting for that price. People paid extra for the Fan Faire and they got extra. You couldn't be bothered to cough up the money to support them in their event that they put up for the people, so you deserve ... no more than anyone else who didn't go. End of Story.