Fixed, intended or?

[siphara]

<p>I noticed when someone does any small amount of damage (maybe even no damage, not sure on this yet) and then punts you/fears off a cliff or island (in say BS) you lose the fight giving up a chest/reward and loss of infamy.</p><p>It used to be like this and i'm sure the developers changed it to requiring 50% damage to be done.. now it seems they have changed it back perhaps because of all the cliff divers /shrug</p><p>IMO it should have been ~25% minimum damage not "you have been hit for 56 damage" followed by "your have been feared" followed by "you lose infamy/coin and take 10% damage hit to armor".</p><p>Comments?</p>

[G1Joe]

pvp shouldne be allowing up there tbh

[Bozidar]

working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.

[Geinoch]

<p>Yeah it's the way it is... You got fear by a spell that make you completly out of control, the worst nightmare you never imagine is happening to you in your mind... You run in a random direction because you don't care about anything else and... oops fall down of a cliff...</p><p>It's a powerfull spell, but it's easy to avoid...</p>

[Grimfort]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.</blockquote>Agreed.

[siphara]

<cite>Geinoch wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah it's the way it is... You got fear by a spell that make you completly out of control, the worst nightmare you never imagine is happening to you in your mind... You run in a random direction because you don't care about anything else and... oops fall down of a cliff...</p><p>It's a powerfull spell, but it's easy to avoid...</p></blockquote><p><i>Really how do I avoid it?</i></p><p>I land at pad and 1-2 seconds later if not sooner (if they pre-targeted me on the INC) I am feared, I crouch (c) but 50% of the time I would still go for a swan dive.</p><p>suggestions?</p><ul><li>Pop an anti-fear potion? not really relavent since you don't know there is a fear class there until you land or are returning. There is also a significant recast on these potions.</li><li>My resists as a solo scout are around 4500-6800, and can't be improved much IMO, and even if they were, diminishing returns make the increase insignificant for resisting fear.</li><li>Evac? when I dive is possible, but can only be done every 15 minutes.</li></ul><p>Then again, it's not exactly a common problem, but when it does happen, you feel a little cheated.. (well I did)..</p>

[Geinoch]

<p>You now know what casters feel when they are harvesting and get stuned, hit 1/4 hp, throw back, 1/4 damages, stun again, got three arrows in the head and Die =)</p><p>You have a situation to deal with... isn't thrilling? =)</p>

[Grimfort]

<cite>Geinoch wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You now know what casters feel when they are harvesting and get stuned, hit 1/4 hp, throw back, 1/4 damages, stun again, got three arrows in the head and Die =)</p><p>You have a situation to deal with... isn't thrilling? =)</p></blockquote>Thats not just limited to casters, but us (supposedly) hugely mittigated tanks.

[Bozidar]

<cite>Bloode@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Geinoch wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah it's the way it is... You got fear by a spell that make you completly out of control, the worst nightmare you never imagine is happening to you in your mind... You run in a random direction because you don't care about anything else and... oops fall down of a cliff...</p><p>It's a powerfull spell, but it's easy to avoid...</p></blockquote><p><i>Really how do I avoid it?</i></p><p>I land at pad and 1-2 seconds later if not sooner (if they pre-targeted me on the INC) I am feared, I crouch (c) but 50% of the time I would still go for a swan dive.</p><p>suggestions?</p><ul><li>Pop an anti-fear potion? not really relavent since you don't know there is a fear class there until you land or are returning. There is also a significant recast on these potions.</li><li>My resists as a solo scout are around 4500-6800, and can't be improved much IMO, and even if they were, diminishing returns make the increase insignificant for resisting fear.</li><li>Evac? when I dive is possible, but can only be done every 15 minutes.</li></ul><p>Then again, it's not exactly a common problem, but when it does happen, you feel a little cheated.. (well I did)..</p></blockquote>How about a parachute (edited due to well-known abbreviated profanity)?

[rvbarton]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.</blockquote>comments like this are not realistic.  If resists worked in PVP, then perhaps this comment would have merit.  As it stands now, if you get feared or punted off a cliff, it's oh well.  Perhaps it's your fault for not being in a good group, or not being higher level or some other lame-a$$ comment people like this one make. 

[Geinoch]

I don't know at the begining it look realistic to get feared and fall down of a cliff... I was just joking with my answer about casters... But you are telling that you get out of a cloud got feared without been able to do anything , maybe it's a problem...

[Wytie]

<cite>Bloode@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Geinoch wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yeah it's the way it is... You got fear by a spell that make you completly out of control, the worst nightmare you never imagine is happening to you in your mind... You run in a random direction because you don't care about anything else and... oops fall down of a cliff...</p><p>It's a powerfull spell, but it's easy to avoid...</p></blockquote><p><i>Really how do I avoid it?</i></p><p>I land at pad and 1-2 seconds later if not sooner (if they pre-targeted me on the INC) I am feared, I crouch (c) but 50% of the time I would still go for a swan dive.</p><p>suggestions?</p><ul><li>Pop an anti-fear potion? not really relavent since you don't know there is a fear class there until you land or are returning. There is also a significant recast on these potions.</li><li>My resists as a solo scout are around 4500-6800, and can't be improved much IMO, and even if they were, diminishing returns make the increase insignificant for resisting fear.</li><li>Evac? when I dive is possible, but can only be done every 15 minutes.</li></ul><p>Then again, it's not exactly a common problem, but when it does happen, you feel a little cheated.. (well I did)..</p></blockquote><p>yea it does suck but also when you crouch you can hit I think its "control w" maybe "shift w" but one of them makes you walk and that with crouch and your not going to get feared very far, not very far at all thus giving you ample time to react as to pop a potion or wait it out.</p><p>just make a fear macro that makes you walk and crouch and you shouldnt have any more probs</p>

[G1Joe]

pvp should be banned up there......................... really it should

[Geinoch]

Oh yeah, true I remember this one... I have it on macro before formating my computer, thank you, I will remake this macro.

[Bozidar]

<cite>rvbarton wrote:</cite><blockquote><b></b>comments like this are not realistic.  If resists worked in PVP, then perhaps this comment would have merit.  As it stands now, if you get feared or punted off a cliff, it's oh well.  Perhaps it's your fault for not being in a good group, or not being higher level or some other lame-[I cannot control my vocabulary] comment people like this one make.  </blockquote>Or maybe it's your fault for standing on a cliff?

[Bozidar]

<cite>G1Joe wrote:</cite><blockquote>pvp should be banned up there......................... really it should</blockquote><p>I think they have to create better zones that encourage good pvp.  Loping plains has too many mobs, and there isn't a ton of room to pvp without running into aggro.</p><p>They got the range of free space correct in KoS, but got the zoning/clouding wrong.</p><p>They got the range of free space wrong in EoF, but got the zoning/clouding right.</p><p>Meh.. T7 pvp ftl</p>

[siphara]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>rvbarton wrote:</cite><blockquote>comments like this are not realistic.  If resists worked in PVP, then perhaps this comment would have merit.  As it stands now, if you get feared or punted off a cliff, it's oh well.  Perhaps it's your fault for not being in a good group, or not being higher level or some other lame-[I cannot control my vocabulary] comment people like this one make.  </blockquote>Or maybe it's your fault for standing on a cliff?</blockquote><p>Your comments are not very constructive as well as being rather insulting.. anyway..</p><p>I was refering almost directed to barron sky cloud pads. As soon as you land you get punted or feared.</p><p>I had some constructive replies though and I thank the community for them at least.</p>

[Captain Apple Darkberry]

<cite>Bloode@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>rvbarton wrote:</cite><blockquote>comments like this are not realistic.  If resists worked in PVP, then perhaps this comment would have merit.  As it stands now, if you get feared or punted off a cliff, it's oh well.  Perhaps it's your fault for not being in a good group, or not being higher level or some other lame-[I cannot control my vocabulary] comment people like this one make.  </blockquote>Or maybe it's your fault for standing on a cliff?</blockquote><p>Your comments are not very constructive as well as being rather insulting.. anyway..</p><p>I was refering almost directed to barron sky cloud pads. As soon as you land you get punted or feared.</p><p>I had some constructive replies though and I thank the community for them at least.</p></blockquote><span style="color: #ff3300;">While there could be raised a legitimate argument that sometimes rarely you are booted/feared off a cliff/cloud pad, the problem arises in that the <b>vast majority</b> of cliff dives are "voluntary"...If they made it to where you needed to do ~25% or ~10% to get credit, you merely changed the point at which those people jump off.If you are correct and this is happening, I can only see it as an improvement...</span>

[Vydar]

Fear spells aren't instant cast.  So you land at the cloud, someone is targeting you... unless you have a slow computer that doesn't render quickly enough, you have a few seconds reaction time to either get farther in the land, or to fly off again.Whenever you get feared, quickly hit crouch.  You will move much slower and can't get feared for near the distance.  Freedom potions do break it even while being feared.  While I find it annoying that people like to camp pads and Fusion, Knockback, and Fear all day long hoping for a few kills (before Fusion got nerfed, every cloud seemed to have a wizard chillin at it just spamming away), it is the state of PvP and the only thing to do is learn to deal with it.  And what class scout are you with resists so high?  I'm number one for resists on Vox for Assassins, and my resists aren't averaging at 6k lol

[Spag]

<cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fear spells aren't instant cast.  So you land at the cloud, someone is targeting you... unless you have a slow computer that doesn't render quickly enough, you have a few seconds reaction time to either get farther in the land, or to fly off again.</p></blockquote>Well, Defilers have an AE fear with a .5 second cast time, which doesnt require a target.

[tiredang]

<cite>Spag wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fear spells aren't instant cast.  So you land at the cloud, someone is targeting you... unless you have a slow computer that doesn't render quickly enough, you have a few seconds reaction time to either get farther in the land, or to fly off again.</p></blockquote>Well, Defilers have an AE fear with a .5 second cast time, which doesnt require a target.</blockquote>And we all know how overpowered defilers are ~.~

[Vydar]

<cite>Spag wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Fear spells aren't instant cast.  So you land at the cloud, someone is targeting you... unless you have a slow computer that doesn't render quickly enough, you have a few seconds reaction time to either get farther in the land, or to fly off again.</p></blockquote>Well, Defilers have an AE fear with a .5 second cast time, which doesnt require a target.</blockquote>Right, and it almost always dispels if you take any damage, i forget what the percentage is on that...So if you land at Whisperwind and get feared, chute down to the chain.  No biggie.

[Bloodfa]

<p>PvP in Loping Plains and run the risks like a real ... er.... Kerra?  Barbarian?  Dwarf?</p><p>By the way, thanks for the tip about the macro.  So painfully obvious <i>now</i>, but [Removed for Content], that's a smart thing to do.</p>

[siphara]

<cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Fear spells aren't instant cast.  So you land at the cloud, someone is targeting you... unless you have a slow computer that doesn't render quickly enough, you have a few seconds reaction time to either get farther in the land, or to fly off again.Whenever you get feared, quickly hit crouch.  You will move much slower and can't get feared for near the distance.  Freedom potions do break it even while being feared.  While I find it annoying that people like to camp pads and Fusion, Knockback, and Fear all day long hoping for a few kills (before Fusion got nerfed, every cloud seemed to have a wizard chillin at it just spamming away), it is the state of PvP and the only thing to do is learn to deal with it.  And what class scout are you with resists so high?  I'm number one for resists on Vox for Assassins, and my resists aren't averaging at 6k lol</blockquote><p>(Exile) coercers also have an instant AE fear.</p><p>Thanks for the tips. I knew about the potion but mine was down at the time.</p><p>I use the blue shiney jewellry and mostly pvp gear for resist. heat/cold is around 6k, most of the others are around 4.5k</p>

[Roald]

Erh, If u get feared just press C then '/' . Not sure if if that goes for everyone, but / changes me from running to walkng. U barely move at all while like this.

[othera1]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.</blockquote>I just went to TT about 3 days ago for my first time and where you hand in those bucket quests iwth the frog is it my own fault if i go "Lets go hand these in for 30 gold!" Walk over click QUests complete hit feard dead the only possible way i see is to either quickly fear them or something...

[Splintered]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.</blockquote>agreed... cheap perhaps... but you techically took damage.. and died as the result of another players actions..

[Bozidar]

<cite>Splintered wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote>working as intended.  If you get punted or feared off a cliff, it's yer own fault for letting it happen.</blockquote>agreed... cheap perhaps... but you techically took damage.. and died as the result of another players actions..</blockquote><p>I know it sucks, but it's not a game mechanic problem -- honestly.</p><p>It's a zone design problem, and anyone who's pvp'd in T7 for <i>any</i> length of time will tell you that the overrealm zone design is the absolute lose for pvp.</p>

[Bozidar]

<cite>Angelyc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And we all know how overpowered defilers are ~.~</blockquote><p>it's funny how many folks don't realize that she's telling the truth <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>How ya doin, ang?</p>

[tiredang]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Angelyc@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And we all know how overpowered defilers are ~.~</blockquote><p>it's funny how many folks don't realize that she's telling the truth <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p><p>How ya doin, ang?</p></blockquote>Defilers are an amazing class for sure -- but not an easy mode class.  But wow, they do get a lot of VERY good tools.  I'll fill you in on the how later <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Miss pirates VERY much <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />