Shadowknight HT Exploit!!

[Cannon]

<p>Shadowknights are using an exploit and it needs to be changed immediately.  The are pharming fame with out any worry of losing fame with this exploit.</p><p>1. The shadowknight finds away to dip there health below 50%.</p><p>2. They then find a player that will give them fame and HT them.</p><p>3. When they are killed they lose no fame or faction as they were below 50% however the gain fame for the person they just killed.</p><p>4. The person who is killed loses fame, the people that kill the shadowknight do not get fame or faction.</p><p>Evidently not enough people see the issue.  It is not that we can not killed the person it is that they get a cheap fame it if it goes off and kills one person.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Shadowknights are using an exploit and it needs to be changed immediately.  The are pharming fame with out any worry of losing fame with this exploit.</p><p>1. The shadowknight finds away to dip there health below 50%.</p><p>2. They then find a player that will give them fame and HT them.</p><p>3. When they are killed they lose no fame or faction as they were below 50% however the gain fame for the person they just killed.</p><p>4. The person who is killed loses fame, the people that kill the shadowknight do not get fame or faction.</p><p>This needs to be addressed now!  Freeps beware your cheating days will come to an end.</p><p>LONG LIVE ASCENDANCY!</p></blockquote>I think the charm sploit that allows people with charm to do the same should be dealth with as well. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />the trick is reaver btw. and if HT brings them above 50% health, they can lose everything in that fight, so unless they oneshot you or near oneshot you, its not gonna help em much really.

[Rattfa]

/yawn

[ThomasGrey]

<p>There is no way to do what you are describing with any consistency in a dynamic pvp situation.  Its a problem with the fame system, yes, but hardly what I term an "SK Exploit".</p>

[Cannon]

<p>I beg to differ Shadowknights are the only one that can Harm touch and one shot you so it is a dramatic effect.  </p><p>As for the charm situation lock your encounter and it wont happen.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I beg to differ Shadowknights are the only one that can Harm touch and one shot you so it is a dramatic effect.  </p><p>As for the charm situation lock your encounter and it wont happen.</p></blockquote>Im not talkinga bout thatm but rather the sploit where if youc harm someone in a fight that went bad when you are below 50% you wont lose anything  when they kill you.

[Uilamin]

They should make so them when you start a pvp fight you can always loose infamy and loot, the other person cannot always gain it, but you can always loose it.

[zero7]

This is very true, i had it happen 1st hand lol.  thank you for bringing it up

[Ohsnapz]

<cite>Uilamin wrote:</cite><blockquote>They should make so them when you start a pvp fight you can always loose infamy and loot, the other person cannot always gain it, but you can always loose it.</blockquote>Kudos that's what my thought was also since they initiated the fight to begin with....

[idropdimes]

why does everyone [Removed for Content] about harmtouch? at 27 mine only does 1.1k damage once every 15mins. 

[Scatimus]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>This needs to be addressed now!  <b>Freeps beware your cheating days will come to an end</b>.</p></blockquote><p>ohnoz!!!!!!!!!!!  you have caught them.  way to go inspector clouseau you have finally uncovered the underground ring of ht cheaters.  phew, we can all sleep easy now.</p><p>there are other classes that do this to gain fame as well.  </p><p>next topic please.</p>

[Wytie]

This is hardly a HT exploit more of a Reaver exploit, iv seen it but its gota be a major pain to perfect health regen with life total with reaver cost.  If this guy is pulling it off hes working at it. I seen this but do you know how easy it is to jump a sk with half life and kill him before he know your there?  just ask a ranger sure you might not get a thing for it but he still dies........

[sokil]

Rediculous post. If anyone cannot kill a SK when he is below 50% Health then he deserves to die. And furthermore, HT is not a one shot death. Perhaps this can be done once with someone noob player but in that case the SK would have won anyway.

[ThomasGrey]

<cite>sokil wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rediculous post. If anyone cannot kill a SK when he is below 50% Health then he deserves to die. And furthermore, HT is not a one shot death. Perhaps this can be done once with someone noob player but in that case the SK would have won anyway. </blockquote>Exactly, if any SK's are running around pvp hotspots at 40'ish % health, they are friggan idiots waiting to get one shot by half the classes in game.  Furthermore, there is nothing SK specific about the fame loss exception for players under 50% health.  Any class could run around at 40% looking for a risk free fight(though health regen kind of makes even that difficult), SK's just happen to be one class that can if played right, end a fight with more health than they began. 

[Cannon]

<p>I have personally seen some get 1 shoted by a shadowknight HT.  Yeah they can get killed quickly however they DONT LOSE FAME.  And if they HT a clothie or a lower end leather healer the will one shot them.</p>

[holypaladin28]

wow qwizzys used to do it in t7 20 percewnt life and spam fusion on cloud platform until they nerfed fusion

[Norrsken]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have personally seen some get 1 shoted by a shadowknight HT.  Yeah they can get killed quickly however they DONT LOSE FAME.  And if they HT a clothie or a lower end leather healer the will one shot them.</p></blockquote>I have seen lots of people get oneshotted by sk HTs, and pretty much all of em were in rubbish gear after t3/4.

[Xunen]

<p>Ooooooh myyyyy goooood! I cannot stop laughing... Can't write while laughing, wait a minute...</p><p>Hahahahahaaa...</p><p>Okay, I just wiped the tears out of my eye. Where the hell do you see an exploit at this? The Shadowknight could have also killed the person with 100% health and Harm Touch him. And if a person can't beat a Shadowknight who is below 50%, then he shouldn't deserve his title anyway.</p><p>Priceless.</p>

[Grimfort]

<p>Oooo thanks for the tip, I havent tried this yet......</p><p>Nor will I ever, HT is resisted often at T7, it could end pretty bad most of the time imo. Aint exactly an exploit even if you pulled it off, the chance of a single kill every 15 mins aint exactly fulfilling. I have never 1 shotted anything at 70, at lower levels to you, yes theres a freak one or two, but never enough to bother betting a chance on it for real. A heal off a HT is only 1.3k and reaver doesnt bring in half the HP you could have, sooo meh! I'm sure this is only realistic against someone a couple levels below a SK who has just got his HT at M2 (mid 30s lvl, cant remember off top of head). Much to much effort to make it useful tbh.</p>

[Cannon]

I guess most of you are forgetting about how many people lock at a low level and PVP.  Get a 22 shadowknight and have him HT at clothie or a leather healer at a lower level and see if he can wipe them out.  I am betting on it.  I have seen it happen all to often as of late.  And the influx of new SKs is living proof.  It is funny that most of the people that are saying this isn't an exploit are all higher level characters.  It is an exploit look the definition up in the dictionary.

[tanis147]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote>I guess most of you are forgetting about how many people lock at a low level and PVP.  Get a 22 shadowknight and have him HT at clothie or a leather healer at a lower level and see if he can wipe them out.  I am betting on it.  I have seen it happen all to often as of late.  And the influx of new SKs is living proof.  It is funny that most of the people that are saying this isn't an exploit are all higher level characters.  It is an exploit look the definition up in the dictionary.</blockquote>i can see your point there if the people have crap on....but if they are locked at that lvl for PVP then their gear would fix the problem becuase they should be twinked. "an exploit can be defined as a case where a player knowingly uses a flaw in a game to gain an unfair advantage"the only flaw is that you couldn't kill them.

[Coica]

 Tony Danza plays EQ2!!!

[Grimfort]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote>I guess most of you are forgetting about how many people lock at a low level and PVP.  Get a 22 shadowknight and have him HT at clothie or a leather healer at a lower level and see if he can wipe them out.  I am betting on it.  I have seen it happen all to often as of late.  And the influx of new SKs is living proof.  It is funny that most of the people that are saying this isn't an exploit are all higher level characters.  It is an exploit look the definition up in the dictionary.</blockquote><p>I did add that as my final point <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.</p><p>Its not exactly an advantage to the SK, he still has to beat you, if what you say is true then its just a fame hit, still has no bearing on his/her ability to use "an exploit" to beat you.</p>

[Wytie]

<p>This thread does not deliver <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>and you still get faction for killing him.</p><p>I saw one doing it once in TT, i was exile so i could hit him, funny part was he screwd up and wasnt in full control of his life, it bounced to 51% then i debuffed and PT'd him, it didnt kill him right away but one other cast did and i LOL for a very long time after that and never saw him again my groupies thought it was rather funny too <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[sprogn]

<p>I had an SK try and gank me when at 40% health.  I kicked his [Removed for Content].  Then he came back with the same health and tried it again, so I punted him off the cliff.</p><p>By the third attempt, my friend was up there on his FP Warden and gave the little SK a nice heal right before we started.</p><p>Then I kicked his [Removed for Content] again and took his fame...</p>

[Wytie]

<cite>sprognak wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I had an SK try and gank me when at 40% health.  I kicked his [I cannot control my vocabulary].  Then he came back with the same health and tried it again, so I punted him off the cliff.</p><p>By the third attempt, my friend was up there on his FP Warden and gave the little SK a nice heal right before we started.</p><p>Then I kicked his [I cannot control my vocabulary] again and took his fame...</p></blockquote>rofl

[Bloodfa]

Too damned funny .... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  He must get queasy every time he sees you. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wildfury77]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have personally seen some get 1 shoted by a shadowknight HT.  Yeah they can get killed quickly however they DONT LOSE FAME.  And if they HT a clothie or a lower end leather healer the will one shot them.</p></blockquote><p>Oh dear!.....Surviving HT has nothing to do with mitigation.</p><p>a) Improve your resists----->Disease in this case</p><p>b) Improve your hitpoints ----->Adorns,etc</p><p>The toons running around with no jewelry and rubbish gear will help a SK reach SLAYER (big deal)</p><p>Most toons who are even Hunter or higher tend to understand that gear is important, a decent slayer+ will not get 1-shotted by HT.</p><p>So this "exploit" would work for farming idiots (little fame opportunity) which we can all do anyway <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[nihilux]

I both laughed at & felt sorry for the OP at the same time. To many valid points made already to quote them all, but I am beginning to wonder what really happened when this took place.

[Strums]

<p>zomg...a wizzard was at 40% then killed me...I lost fame.  My group killed him but gained nothing...zomg...a swash was at 40% then killed me...I lost fame.  My group killed him but gained nothing...zomg...a brig was at 40% then killed me...I lost fame.  My group killed him but gained nothing...zomg...a "<b><u>ANY CLASS"</u></b> was at 40% then killed me...I lost fame.  My group killed him but gained nothing...</p><p>This is not a SK exploit, its a flaw in the fame system.  Any class who could possably kill you while under 50% health could do this.  </p>

[Roald]

<cite>Wildfury77 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have personally seen some get 1 shoted by a shadowknight HT.  Yeah they can get killed quickly however they DONT LOSE FAME.  And if they HT a clothie or a lower end leather healer the will one shot them.</p></blockquote><p>Oh dear!.....Surviving HT has nothing to do with mitigation.</p></blockquote>I've been lol'in at that all thru the tread <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[MaCloud1032]

<p>I have an idea for ya.  Dont hit him first.  If you start combat and hes below 50 you wouldnt even get a box.  Hes got nothing to loose because it would be a "dishonarble kill"  If he starts combat he will loose fame and  a box and what not.</p>

[Ameniel]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Shadowknights are using an exploit and it needs to be changed immediately.  The are pharming fame with out any worry of losing fame with this exploit.</p><p>1. The shadowknight finds away to dip there health below 50%.</p><p>2. They then find a player that will give them fame and HT them.</p><p>3. When they are killed they lose no fame or faction as they were below 50% however the gain fame for the person they just killed.</p><p>4. The person who is killed loses fame, the people that kill the shadowknight do not get fame or faction.</p><p>This needs to be addressed now!  Freeps beware your cheating days will come to an end.</p><p>LONG LIVE ASCENDANCY!</p></blockquote>ZomgHaxx0rz!!!

[tass]

woo go haxors go.  (walks up to a griffen tower and see's a guy speed hacking around a grp of people) "Here man, take these speed boost shoes" (waves bye and flips the non hackers the bird)Now isn't that a change of postage?  Seriously though If I could id do it just to laugh the screwed grp lol.

[Emolad]

you know its pretty funny seeing how i started this with my shadowknight hollymonster on vox

[Debunkt]

<cite>jgndfhiobguf wrote:</cite><blockquote>you know its pretty funny seeing how i started this with my shadowknight hollymonster on vox</blockquote><p>Yeah, grats on that well deserved Champion title. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> </p><p>You got me the other night at ts griff because I'm new to pvp. Enjoy that free one, it'll be the last one you get from me.</p>

[Darlion]

<p>Welcome to pvp?</p>

[Xunen]

<cite>Kalath@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Welcome to pvp?</p></blockquote>That was funny was hell iny my opinion. =D

[ThomasGrey]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote>I guess most of you are forgetting about how many people lock at a low level and PVP.  Get a 22 shadowknight and have him HT at clothie or a leather healer at a lower level and see if he can wipe them out.  I am betting on it.  I have seen it happen all to often as of late.  And the influx of new SKs is living proof.  It is funny that most of the people that are saying this isn't an exploit are all higher level characters.  It is an exploit look the definition up in the dictionary.</blockquote><p>Its not an exploit and here is why.  You are complaining about 2 "working as intended" game features.</p><p>1. You don't lose fame when entering pvp with under 50% health and consequently dying in battle.</p><p>2. Harm Touch</p><p>Neither of these game features are broken, so using them is not an exploit.  Harm Touch is what it is, you might feel its overpowered, but using it is not an exploit on the part of an SK.  The 50% rule is working as intended as well, it might seem like a risk free way of pvp'ing, but there are consequences to running around a pvp hot zone with under half health looking for a fight.  Its a very circumstantial advantage for all classes, but its not without its risks. </p>

[Debunkt]

<p>Apparently some of you are not understanding the mechanics of what these 1shotters are doing. I don't know if this is an exploit, but I can guarantee it is not intended gameplay.</p><p>They stay on/near a hill and fall off to keep their health below 50%</p><p>1 shot someone with HT</p><p>Suicide or die</p><p>There is zero risk, they can't lose anything. Just rack up free kills and fame.</p><p>Who cares if it is every 15 min, or can be resisted or mititgated. That is not the point. It is risk free, and that's not the way pvp should be.</p>

[Ameniel]

<cite>Debunkt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Who cares if it is every 15 min, or can be resisted or mititgated. That is not the point. It is risk free, and that's not the way pvp should be.</p></blockquote>Imo most of the pvp in this game is risk free.

[Emolad]

now watch all the wana be harm touchers start using my ideas /sigh

[Tatate]

You're whining about HT? A spell that can be cast only every 15 minutes when a T3 Fury's Strike of Thunder does the same amount of damage as HT and can be reduced to a 10 second recast?

[idropdimes]

yea that

[Dojac]

Holy crap are you people reading the thread?  No one here is complaining bout HT.  No one here ever said HT should be nerfed.  No one gives a rats [Removed for Content] bout HT.  Yea, its over powered at lower lvls, woopty-[Removed for Content]-doo.  We all know it we all live with it.  As for those of you going on about if you get one shotted by HT you deserve it, blah, blah, blah.  Pursuing resists in T2 and T3 is almost pointless cause you can't build em up enough to make that much of a difference anyway.  A 22 SK can quite easily hit a lvl 18 toon in Ant and will more often than not one shot em.  I've seen it happen and it has nothing to do with gear.  I've seen it happen to people with all mastercrafted+.  When I say that I mean these people were mostly mastercrafted but quite a few fabled and legendary.  HT gets through in T2 and T3 plain and simple and its got nothin to do with gear.  Not to mention grouping issues, it is no stretch for an 18 to be grouped with a 16.  That 16 becomes more than easy prey for a one shot HT.For those of you saying this isn't an exploit.Seriously?  Are you that thick.  I could understand if you were saying it isn't an HT exploit.  Which ok it isn't its a fame exploit.  As Tanis nicely defined exploit for us "A person using a game feature in an unintended way to gain an advantage."  I'm sure SOE did not intend PVPers to start jumping off cliffs to reduce their health in order to engage in risk free PVP combat.  Its obviously an issue that SOE will address but if not an exploit what is it?  Just a game feature?  If that the case then what the hell is an exploit?I'm not going to lie it takes skill to pull off.  Not to mention a strong computer to pull off a good rendering distance.  Hollymonster has it down.  When he/she got us our lead tracker had time to hit the vent button say Hollymonster is commin and bam we lost the lowest member of our group who also lost fame.  We of course got holly but didn't pull any fame back but the point is we didn't even have time to target holly before he/she got fame off one of us.  Quite simple its risk free fame farming.  Its an issue and at lower lvls pvp the Qs have nothing to match it.

[Borias]

My favorite group still I ran by was the 5 SK 1 Assassin group in EL.  Gankerific!

[idropdimes]

<p>[Removed for Content] now that sounds funny</p>

[Makky]

<cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Shadowknights are using an exploit and it needs to be changed immediately.  The are pharming fame with out any worry of losing fame with this exploit.</p><p>1. The shadowknight finds away to dip there health below 50%.</p><p>2. They then find a player that will give them fame and HT them.</p><p>3. When they are killed they lose no fame or faction as they were below 50% however the gain fame for the person they just killed.</p><p>4. The person who is killed loses fame, the people that kill the shadowknight do not get fame or faction.</p><p>Evidently not enough people see the issue.  It is not that we can not killed the person it is that they get a cheap fame it if it goes off and kills one person.</p></blockquote>Sounds perfectly fair to me.

[Sightless]

<p>Makky</p><p>54 deaths, 0 kills? Who were you GIVING slayer to?</p>

[DarkMasterMan]

Agree sightless...

[Emolad]

Hello Drakan, this is -gasp- yes, emolad the great. Anyway..i just wanted to tell all the nooblets out there....yeah nerfed harm touch....hrm doesnt really do that much. Unless your disease resists are around 400+ then it does less. I'm an Exile class too, which makes it easier for you guys to kill me, my advice to you is try and catch me when i'm above 50%...

[Sycosti]

<cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cannon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Shadowknights are using an exploit and it needs to be changed immediately.  The are pharming fame with out any worry of losing fame with this exploit.</p><p>1. The shadowknight finds away to dip there health below 50%.</p><p>2. They then find a player that will give them fame and HT them.</p><p>3. When they are killed they lose no fame or faction as they were below 50% however the gain fame for the person they just killed.</p><p>4. The person who is killed loses fame, the people that kill the shadowknight do not get fame or faction.</p><p>This needs to be addressed now!  Freeps beware your cheating days will come to an end.</p><p>LONG LIVE ASCENDANCY!</p></blockquote>I think the charm sploit that allows people with charm to do the same should be dealth with as well. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />the trick is <span style="font-size: medium;color: #cc0033;">reaver</span> btw. and if HT brings them above 50% health, they can lose everything in that fight, so unless they oneshot you or near oneshot you, its not gonna help em much really.</blockquote>Long live Justingrell!!!!!1!!!!!