Nagafen Monks...

[Dige]

<p>Hey guys, I just started playing EQ2 again, the last time I played was right before DoF was coming out and all the class changes.</p><p>I have read quite a few posts about monks here and quite frankly I am a little confused. Most of the people I see posting saying monks are weak here and weak there and not as good as so and so, do not play on a pvp server or straight up admit they know little about how they (monks) fare in pvp.</p><p>I am curious if this is the class I want to play. I have always played Rangers and Monks. Every game that offers them I play them. I even played them in EQ1. Now I am not going to have a lot of time to dedicate to trying out all the classes in this game. Afterall, it is all about what the player likes right? I mean opinions only go so far...</p><p>However I want to know if you naggie monks have any trouble with solo pvp, or do you need to roll in gank groups all day long to get some good pvp? And if you do, do you find yourself as a support or are you able to just roll people like a truck full of damage? Last time I played, monks had awesome dps, now it seems they are more defensive. Are you able to roll up and dump on a player and smash them quick like a scout or wizard?</p><p>All the pvp I have been experiencing thus far has been really fast paced, I hope monks can still dish out the pain.</p>

[Dige]

There has to be some monks that play on nagafen that can help with advice here.

[Weizen Heimer]

<p>Here is what I said in the "Monk, worth it?" thread</p><p>If you are choosing between Pally and Monk only, take the Monk. If you want to be an uber tank, roll a Zerker.</p><p>I raid on my monk all the time. Lots of guilds on Nagafen are not so hardcore and don't care as much about classes they take. They just want to down some mobs to get better gear for PVP. </p><p>In PVP the monk is not the greatest choice to be the only tank. It can be done, but if you fight a group with all the same classes as yours but with a warrior instead, and they are same skill level, you will lose. The best time to have a monk in a PVP group is when you already have a warrior, a dps scout, 2 different healer types, and another strong dps class. Then a monk can be added for all the cool stuff they can bring such as back up taunts, emergency heal, Rescue/FD opponents tank so he can't taunt your grp for 5 seconds(beware zerkers with Gibe though) or opponents healer so they can only group heal for 5 seconds, stuns/knockbacks/STIFLE, AE taunt/FD so the entire opposing group (less the ones who resist) can't target anyone for 3 seconds, teleport/root runners (if you go Sta/Int), and of course add some decent burst dmg with your big hitters.</p>

[Dige]

<p>So since the DoF class revamp monks have been reduced to support roles in pve and pvp now? They are no longer bad [Removed for Content] dps?</p><p>I was hoping to be able to roll up on someone and annihilate them like monks used to do with flurrys of hits.</p>

[Weizen Heimer]

DPS is decent as ever, but can't match scoutsorc. Burst is pretty good for about 4 cas

[Kota]

solo as a monk is ok.  can't imagine playing anything but a scout if i only wanted to solo tho.  i don't lose many 1 on 1's but 1 on 1's aren't usually easy to find.

[Dige]

Yeah, I really hope I do not run into a lot of grandmaster runners. That will prolly be my biggest irritation.

[Riny]

I have noticed a change with my Monk(main) these past few months. I'm not sure what is going on. A few months back before the Faydwer expansion, my monk was soloing well. He was in his mid 20's with about 15 AAs, geared about halfway. I was winning all green/blue con fights. I was also doing well with even/yellow con fights. I would also take on orange robes and scouts and win some of those. I would also take on groups of blues, whittling away, run away, then whittle some more - until they were all dead. Great times.Then I stopped playing and went to LOTRO for a couple of months. I finally came back to EQ2 and started playing my monk again and now I'm losing to everyone, including greens. I haven't won a single 1 on 1 match. Like I said, I'm not sure whats going on. My guess is part of the problem is many of my matches are against fully twinked toons. But that can't explain all of my problems. I'm still at a loss to figure it out.Thats my perspective.

[Ryuugekitai]

<p>Monk don't offer anything to a group in PvP :  Less dps than scouts  Less tanking ability than other tanks</p><p>So basicaly if you wana roll in groups, don't play a monk.</p><p>If you wana play solo, monk used to be a good class when solo was hard to find but still existed. Its not the case anymore though. The only thing a solo player can do is burn a bait as fast as possible and run before the rest of the bait's group comes, and monks cant do that.</p><p>So soloing as a monk now is frustrating as hell.</p><p>As Sullen say when you 1v1 you rarely loose (considering your gear is on par with the adversary's) but that doesn't matter since you'll never find 1v1.</p><p>The curent trend of the players on both sides is less "self improvement" and more "overwelming adventage" in either being in a group and using as many lowblows as possible or being a leech following a group (some get up to master using that technique). There is no place for monks in that world.</p>

[Dige]

<p>Yeah Dil, I think I was talking to you today actually while I was working on my alchemy, asking you if it were worth it to upgrade this weak spell.</p><p>So....   Why the hell should I even play the Monk then? Every single thread I see, or post for that matter in some way or another basically puts the class down as if they are not really worth it, that you would be better off rolling something else to fulfill whatever playstyle you are intending in game.</p><p>This is really despressing considering I got this game to play a monk.</p>

[Ryuugekitai]

<p>Like i said monks are good in 1 v 1. Sometime they'r even good in 1v"more than 1" if the "more than 1"s are noobs or have allready burned theyr big hitters on some other poor soul previously.</p><p>But what is see all the time is : real solo players (leeches or not) running from me. Gank groups attacking me. And my (very very very rare) duels being jumped in by either solo players or gank groups (those are actualy my faction or the other, they don't care either way, they just want to leech fame)</p><p>Now by the time you reach 70 the world might have changed, or you might choose to stay at lower tiers where you'll have a lot of "not twinks" to gank, and a lot of orange groups to run from.</p><p>It is not the monk class that is brought down, it is the fact that the world is not adapted to it, or maybe the monk is not adapted to the world.PvE doesn't need monks (SoE even made sure there would never be more than 1 monk in a raid ... although i gess they made it so there would be at least one ... not such a good trade off imo) and PvP don't need players, it needs bots to farm for tokens and people willing to sacrifice theyr tittle so the loosers can be masters with no risks/skills/efforts/(enjoyment ?).</p><p>As a class, monks are still pretty good (except for some bugs and nonsenses, but i gess many class have them ... although not to that extend i think)</p>

[mattmandude]

<p>If it makes you feel any better Xael, I love pvping with my monk at 70, it's all I ever really do, and I find lots of 1v1's, but also happen to get rolled by giant groups (that's just the nature of a pvp server).</p><p> A lot of the points Dilandu mentioned could happen to players with other classes as well, because some people feel that all there is to pvp now is token/fame farming. And while there are a lot of people that only care about that, I still manage to find good pvp /shrug </p><p> Maybe my title has something to do with it, I'll probably never get above champion trying to solo groups xD</p>