Weapon or no Weapon??

[Kryshael]

Just got my monk to 70 and have been playing around with nothing equipped in the weapon slot. I seem to have a higher dmg output when I go barefisted than when I have some equipped. I have tried it with 2h and d/w weapons and both seem to lack the "punch" of the autoattacks.My question is this: At what point (as far as weapons) would you see a overall change in damage? What weapons are there that consistantly will put out more dmg than bare-fisted?Btw, I am INT/WIS specc'd for AA with Crane Flock and the +crit.

[BChizzle]

<cite>Kryshael wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just got my monk to 70 and have been playing around with nothing equipped in the weapon slot. I seem to have a higher dmg output when I go barefisted than when I have some equipped. I have tried it with 2h and d/w weapons and both seem to lack the "punch" of the autoattacks.My question is this: At what point (as far as weapons) would you see a overall change in damage? What weapons are there that consistantly will put out more dmg than bare-fisted?Btw, I am INT/WIS specc'd for AA with Crane Flock and the +crit.</blockquote>I have never tested it but bare fisted seems to be equal to a good pair of legendary weapons from what people here say.

[EQ2Luv]

<cite>Kryshael wrote:</cite><blockquote>Just got my monk to 70 and have been playing around with nothing equipped in the weapon slot. I seem to have a higher dmg output when I go barefisted than when I have some equipped. I have tried it with 2h and d/w weapons and both seem to lack the "punch" of the autoattacks.My question is this: At what point (as far as weapons) would you see a overall change in damage? What weapons are there that consistantly will put out more dmg than bare-fisted?Btw, I am INT/WIS specc'd for AA with Crane Flock and the +crit.</blockquote>Are you specc'd int/wis when you go barehanded? if so, any t7 weapon should outdps your fists by my understanding.  Fists are slow hitting, so if you're comparing the flat damage per hit against a fast weapon then this might be misleading you as to the dps of your fists.  If you spec for barehanded in the str AA, then like Bchizzle said its probably better until you get fabled weapons or maybe EoF legendary like closing time. 

[Alpinestar]

Whats up everyone.  I have a very similar question to the author of the original post.  I have a 70 monk with 82aa.  Currently I am speced STR 4/4/8/7/1 and INT 4/4/8/6/1 and obviously fight barehanded.I looted a couple of really good monk weapons recently and am thinking of trying them out but am not sure if I will do more damage barehanded.  The weapons I have now are:Closing Time 26-60/1.6 (53.6 Rating)+28 Str/28 Sta+80 Health/Power+3 Crushingand Fistwraps of Tongar Sledgefist  18-55/1.6 (46.0 Rating)+25 Str/25 Sta +80 Health/Powerw/ 463 dmg Crushing procI am really having a hard time with this.  I don't want to attune the Closing time unless I know I'm going to be using it.  I could sell it for 10p on my server.  If I were to use these, should I respec Int/Wis vice Int/Str?  Any insight would be much appreciated.  Thanks!

[Alpinestar]

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[Alpinestar]

Nobody has any input on this?  I would appreciate anything!Thanks

[orchard54]

Here's is the experience I've had with the Str AA line. My Monk is only level 40 with about 40 AA's. I tried the Str line, 4/4/8 to see what kind of damage I would do with no weapons. Soloing green con Heroic ^^^'s, I was parsing myself at about 150-200 dps on average. This was just with auto attack. BTW at lvl 40 my haste is at 72 self buffed. Without switching my AA line, I tried on my weapons I had. I was using 2 Mastercrafted fists. Even still in the strength line, I was doing 200-250 dps on average with the weapons. Again, this is just pure auto attack damage. Same Triple ups and everything.Then I got this idea from a friend of mine. When I told him about my 71% haste at level 40, he suggested that I try out a 2 handed weapon, with a high Damage spread. After thinking about it, this makes sense. If you use dual wield weapons, with a delay of 1.2 each, some of the haste seems to be getting wasted. It makes sense because there is a cap on how fast you can swing your weapons. So only a certain amount of haste will work. By doing /weapon the lowest I've ever seen my actual delay was 0.8. So I switched my AA lines, now I'm going down Sta, and Int. For the Crit chance in the Int line, and the proc in the Sta line. I bought a fabled 2 hander for fairly cheap that had a slow delay, but a really high damage spread. With 71% haste, and a slow, but massive damage 2 hander, it is now extremely fast and deadly. After switching to a 2 hand crusher, at level 40, just with my auto attack, I'm parsing around 450-550 DPS. Yes, purely with auto attack. The only skills I now use, are my stuns, and the jabs skill. By parsing myself, I've noticed that with this set up, I actually decrease my DPS by using my other skills. You may want to try it out, it certainly increased my DPS substantially. Don't know of many other classes able to pull that kind of dps at such level. My Conjurer is level 60, and he's pulling about 350-450 tops trying my hardest. I'm amazed my 40 Monk, out DPS's and Solo's better than my 60 Conj. Hope this info helps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> just my 2cp. on what i've tried.

[Couching]

Str line is over rated. The only advantage to take str line is saving money. You don't need to upgrade your weapons while leveling up.Why? Because we didn't get fist skill bonus in our offensive stance. The hit ratio of bare fists makes me cry comparing to hit ratio of using weapons.

[Ramius613]

<p>To more specificly answer the questions on Weapons or Fists? go by this guideline, if your weapon's DR is <55 or 57 (cant remember), go with the STR line until you can get some better weapons. I'm not sure how this has changed, if at all with the recent changes to the AAs etc.</p><p>Also, there is no minimum delay cap on being hasted that I know of, this was changed a while back.  With a 1.2 delay weapon, I get down to .6 delay with the /weapon command self hasted at lvl 70 which is about 106% hasted.</p><p>But I do agree with Jab in the aspect of a 2h weapon with a large damge spread is good, because as monks we have the ability to hit with it twice as much as any other character self buffed.</p>

[orchard54]

Thanks for the update on the weapon delay cap Ramius. Do you know if it is possible to get any weapon faster than 0.6? I'm just curious because I haven't tested it out that much and I dont have as much natural haste as you do <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />So I went in game and got a little more update on the 2 handed thing. With 72 haste ( equals 71% according to Fetish UI ) doing a /weapon with my 2 hander without ANY haste, the "Actual Delay" is 3.7. When I put all my haste on it brings it down to 2.2 for the "Actual Delay" giving a total of 1.5 seconds off the Actual Delay. The Base damage on the weapon says 49-147, then it says the "Actual Damage" is 136-409. I just realized I don't have imbued mastercrafted rings! *gasp* still using the pure stat ruthenium ones. Wonder what my DPS would be with a STR and Agi imbued ring.I've been trying to think, maybe I wasn't doing as much damage dual wielding because they were mastercrafted? Compared to the fabled 2 hander i'm using now? Although both MC'd weapons had proc's, and the primary with an adornment as well, where as my 2 hander just has the adornment proc. Although it is a big leap from 200-250 dps dual wielding auto attack, versus the 450-550 dps 2handed auto attack damage. What do you think? :S 

[Triyton]

It's also worth noting that you can adorn weapons, but not fists.  And T6 weapon proc adornments may not cost much.

[Alpinestar]

Wow thanks for the input guys!  That was really helpful.  I am gonna see what I can find for 2h blunt weapons.  Also if I decide to go 2hb which aa lines should I use, int and what wisdom?  I am gonna for now go ahead and attune those dual wield crushing weapons and see how I do in comparison.  Thanks again guys.

[Deeply]

<p>My monk is 70 with 100 AA my AA are 8str 8agl 8sta 4int---> to the bottom of the int tree with Crits being maxed.</p><p>Depending on if im tanking or just doing dps my load out is For Tanking = the Boneskewer in off hand and soulspur ( i love the mana tap ) in the main hand,so in essence duel wields.</p><p>For DPs i use the Bo of flowing blood .</p><p> For my brawler AAs I maxed my self rune *outward calm* sprint * Train !* and of course my self heal.</p><p>Rest went in all melee re-use / +to dmg / -mana used.</p><p>I dont think my load out in AA is perfect but ill refine it as i go along,, trial and error and personal choice !.</p><p>Shirak Silverscales ~ Crushbone.</p>