Bard runspeed... c'mon.

[Qanil]

<p>I know this has been hashed sixtyfivemillion times but I think it needs to be mentioned until its addressed.</p><p>Why aren't BARDS the fastest TOONS in the GAME?</p><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p>

[Armawk]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I know this has been hashed sixtyfivemillion times but I think it needs to be mentioned until its addressed.</p><p>Why aren't BARDS the fastest TOONS in the GAME?</p><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote>Why should bards be the fastest characters in the game? Is there a correlation between playing musical instruments and singing and running fast? Is it something to do with escaping enraged audiences when they realise how bad your songs are? Help me out here...

[Kalem]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I know this has been hashed sixtyfivemillion times but I think it needs to be mentioned until its addressed.</p><p>Why aren't BARDS the fastest TOONS in the GAME?</p><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote>Why should bards be the fastest characters in the game? Is there a correlation between playing musical instruments and singing and running fast? Is it something to do with escaping enraged audiences when they realise how bad your songs are? Help me out here...</blockquote>I think that comes from EQ1.  In EQ, the bards were the fastest class in the game.  They had amazing speed.

[inshiningarmor]

Even though Shamen were the fastest in EQ 1  Bards keep whining here they should be the fastest.   Already got Mystics nurfed.  Why not make Bards run 100% and everyone else 0% .....  Might make them stop [I cannot control my vocabulary]

[kreepr]

<cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Even though Shamen were the fastest in EQ 1  Bards keep whining here they should be the fastest.   Already got Mystics nurfed.  Why not make Bards run 100% and everyone else 0% .....  Might make them stop [I cannot control my vocabulary]</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">Thats a grand idea.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span></p><p><span style="color: #ff0000;">No sence being silly about it you should be at 1%.</span></p>

[Bramwe]

Being this is Everquest TWO, I agree they should be fastest since they were known for their speed in EQ1 but I disagree with nerfing other classes to get the job done.  I say give them an instrument that increases their speed so that through CA's, AA's and an instrument they could be fastest if they choose to spec that way.  I don't like it when companies choose to make big changes from one game to the sequel...(ie. monks going from a pure dps class to a tank class)...it just confuses people who are veterans of the first game.

[Finora]

<p>It's a whine because EQ1 bards had incredible speed (using good instruments).</p><p>I keep hoping one day the whiners will reallize EQ2 isn't EQ1 with prettier graphics and quite trying to get everyone else nerfed.</p><p>If we want to get on the track EQ1 had it why doesn't eq2, where is my pet that can tank, my sow at level 9, my invis, my root! =p (I don't really want these things just pointing out that it's not the same game and things are different here).</p><p>I sometimes wish that the devs would set bard speed to zero one day and everyone else to cheetah speed. (would be a good april fools thing if you ask me.)</p><p>I really don't understand why some keep whining about it. It certainly isn't a class defining feature to have fast runspeed. I'd pity the class that had that as the most important thing they could offer.</p>

[lilmohi]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote><p>If you can't keep up with the fury you should disband him then. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  Sure furies have a high burst speed, but in the long run the bard goes much faster.</p><p>Apparently however you belong in everquest 1 since in eq2 there is no lore or logic as to why a bunch of minstrels and story tellers should be entitled to "the fastest" title.</p>

[Armawk]

<cite>Kalem wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think that comes from EQ1.  In EQ, the bards were the fastest class in the game.  They had amazing speed.</blockquote><p>Ah. Thanks. I ought to have guessed I suppose.</p><p>Welcome to everquest 2 people, the game that isnt Everquest 1 in almost any way at all.</p>

[Cuz]

As a troub that complains about just about everything, I find complaining about run speed a bit silly.

[Rattfa]

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote><p>If you can't keep up with the fury you should disband him then. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  Sure furies have a high burst speed, but in the long run the bard goes much faster.</p><p>Apparently however you belong in everquest 1 since in eq2 there is no lore or logic as to why a bunch of minstrels and story tellers should be entitled to "the fastest" title.</p></blockquote>Since they Nerfed In Combat (for all non bards) runspeed on PvP servers, they made out of combat runspeeds stack more. A fury with all ruspeed AAs can get pema 65% runspeed with their SOW. Throw a warden or mystic sow on and you get 80-90% runspeed. Even stacks with bards in combat portion so a bard will always be slower than any druid in the group.

[Polyneikes]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite> <blockquote>Why should bards be the fastest characters in the game? Is there a correlation between playing musical instruments and singing and running fast? Is it something to do with escaping enraged audiences when they realise how bad your songs are? Help me out here...</blockquote>That's only part of the story. More important is being the first one at the buffet on gigs.

[Rolande']

 I have a dirge, and I believe the bard should be the fastest in the game. NOT because of eq1, I never played it. The reason I think this way is because at the beginning of the game we were the fastest. It used to be dirge only, then they gave it to troubs also, that was fine with me. I think the biggest issue most bards are upset about is that all of a sudden, there are other classes that are as fast as bards through aa's and even if we "enhance" our run speed through aa's we are a massive 1% faster than warden's SoW. Which they can give to anyone, in group or not... our's is group limited and ae range limited.  Personally I think they should make our's faster because of the limits our buff has compared to the other classes. FLAME ON.. 

[Lilj]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote>...<p>I really don't understand why some keep whining about it. It certainly isn't a <b>class defining feature t</b>o have fast runspeed. I'd pity the class that had that as the most important thing they could offer.</p></blockquote>I agree with you Finora, but the funny thing is I have seen the 'class defining ability' argument be used alot. You would be surprised how often <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Chefren]

Please, shut up about run speed already or we'll get run speed as our RoK armour set bonuses..

[Freliant]

<p>While not grouped, bards are the fastest class in the game, and the fury buff is only temporary, so overall, bards ARE the fastest class in the game.</p><p>Point 2: Why should you continue to get a "free ride" while the rest of us have to dish out tons of plat to get a speed that is a fraction of what you have, AND that doesn't work in dungeons.  If they want to keep a balance in game, then instead of giving you more run speed, maybe they should make sure that your speed doesn't match that of the fastest mounts, so that you would have to get one too. With that said, I don't really want anyone nerfed, but you really shouldn't complain about wanting to be faster, specially when you are already the fastest class. As with all things, grouping is a different situation, just like a wizards dps is better with a fury in the group, so is a fury's run speed with a bard in the group... just the natural order of things. One more thing... just ask for the fury in your group to hit you with the speed bufff then... I am sure you will outrun everyone for a while if that is what you want.</p>

[Sunlei]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kalem wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think that comes from EQ1.  In EQ, the bards were the fastest class in the game.  They had amazing speed.</blockquote><p>Ah. Thanks. I ought to have guessed I suppose.</p><p>Welcome to everquest 2 people, the game that isnt Everquest 1 in almost any way at all.</p></blockquote><p> what do you mean eq2 isn't eq1 in almost anyway at all? lol! </p><p>We can still go back to our bards and run fast and enjoy the memories too. Same developers except eq2 has all the anti-kiting restrictions. The only eq2 "memories" are all the nurfs!</p>

[Armawk]

<cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote> The only eq2 "memories" are all the nurfs!</blockquote>The only thing you think is memorable in a game is how fast you used to be able to run? [Removed for Content] is this, sonic the hedgehog or something?

[firza]

<cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote> The only eq2 "memories" are all the nurfs!</blockquote>The only thing you think is memorable in a game is how fast you used to be able to run? [I cannot control my vocabulary] is this, sonic the hedgehog or something?</blockquote>to young to understand....back to school for you <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Acolos]

bards should be the fastest nuff said

[OutcastBlade]

<cite>firza wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote> The only eq2 "memories" are all the nurfs!</blockquote>The only thing you think is memorable in a game is how fast you used to be able to run? [I cannot control my vocabulary] is this, sonic the hedgehog or something?</blockquote>to young to understand....back to school for you <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Nice rebuttal... grandma! I never saw the point of bards being the fastest class in the game. How can you run and play your flute at the same time. Makes no sense. I agree with Shaun, you want speed go play Sonic or something.

[Finora]

<cite>Kanolth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never saw the point of bards being the fastest class in the game. How can you run and play your flute at the same time. Makes no sense. I agree with Shaun, you want speed go play Sonic or something.</blockquote><p>/giggle </p><p>This comment gave me the mental image of my old Eq1 bard running into a tree in West Karana and getting  her flute shoved down her throat. </p>

[Qanil]

<p>To the people that have no clue what they are talking about, I need to just interject.</p><p>I posted this because I was out duoing in PvP with a fury.  He had to continuously come BACK to me because he was running at 80pct while I was at a measly 56pct.   So, you misinformed out there, the buff that Furies get is PERMANENT, NOT TEMPORARY.</p><p>I love the argumentative, from the wardens, and others saying, why should the bard be the fastest in the game?  Why? Because that's what we are, we were this in EQ1, and we used to be in EQ2 before EoF came out.   I think for some reason, the people at SOE completely ignored the fact that, indeed, while not class defining was a very unique ability of ours, it's a BARD trait, something that should be preserved.</p><p>AT the minimum we should be able to stay at the same speep as a druid, I mean come on.</p><p>We don't have DPS, we don't have Tanking abilities, we don't have Healing abilieis, we have buffs, that's what we do, we run fast and we buff....  Others should have to dish out plat to run like we do, or /gasp INVITE US TO GROUP, to get that speed because that's one of the very unique things we do...   we go fast, we make our group go fast.</p><p>it's not that hard to compromise is it?  </p>

[Tuppen]

<p>If the fury you were dueling was running at 80% continuously, then there was something else going on besides his personal buffs and achievement skills.  </p><p>I have a level 48 fury with all of his speed enhancing achievement points, and the fastest he can go is 45% with all possible speed buffs and enhancements (minus Pact of the Cheetah).  He can go a heck of a lot faster for a short duration--either 99% or 100 percent (I can't recall)-with Pact of the Cheetah, but thats for a very limited time.</p>

[Finora]

<cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the fury you were dueling was running at 80% continuously, then there was something else going on besides his personal buffs and achievement skills.  </p><p>I have a level 48 fury with all of his speed enhancing achievement points, and the fastest he can go is 45% with all possible speed buffs and enhancements (minus Pact of the Cheetah).  He can go a heck of a lot faster for a short duration--either 99% or 100 percent (I can't recall)-with Pact of the Cheetah, but thats for a very limited time.</p></blockquote><p>I was going to say about the same thing. Maybe the fury you were dueling was of one of the races that gets extra speed bonuses(in which case that's a race thing not a class thing). Maybe they had some droag swill, that's 40% I think, stacks with everything.</p><p>And once again I say, if going fast is NOT something that should be getting you groups, if it is, that is a reflection of the sad sorry state your class is in I would say. (not in PVE anyhow, PVP situations shouldn't affect the PVE game, period.) I've yet to see a bard get a group for their speed. I've sure as heck never invited a bard to a group or raid for their speed (even long before EOF was even hinted at). They are there for their other buffs, for power regen, for their utility. Speed doesn't even come into play. </p>

[Wargod1968]

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote><p>If you can't keep up with the fury you should disband him then. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  Sure furies have a high burst speed, but in the long run the bard goes much faster.</p><p>Apparently however you belong in everquest 1 since in eq2 there is no lore or logic as to why a bunch of minstrels and story tellers should be entitled to "the fastest" title.</p></blockquote><p>Wrong. Learn your lore. Mechanics aside, EQ1 lore actually matters in EQ2. It might be evolved by this team to reflect story advancement, but you can't fault someone for wanting to know why bards have lost their edge in speed. Ogres used to be stupid. Now they are smart. Doesn't mean they were never stupid. Bards used to be fastest. Now they are not. Doesn't mean he he's out of place for asking about it. Remember, Bards in EQ lore (not merely mechanics) were known for being THE fleet-footed messengers across Antonica and Feydwer.</p>

[Finora]

<cite>Wargod1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wrong. Learn your lore. Mechanics aside, EQ1 lore actually matters in EQ2. It might be evolved by this team to reflect story advancement, but you can't fault someone for wanting to know why bards have lost their edge in speed. Ogres used to be stupid. Now they are smart. Doesn't mean they were never stupid. Bards used to be fastest. Now they are not. Doesn't mean he he's out of place for asking about it. Remember, Bards in EQ lore (not merely mechanics) were known for being THE fleet-footed messengers across Antonica and Feydwer.</p></blockquote><p>Except the whole fact that he's not 'asking about it', more demanding it to be 'corrected' to what he thinks is the correct state.</p><p>And the lore behind bards probably exists if one looks for it, I haven't really looked so I can't say. But I definately would guess that post Shattering there was a WHOLE lot less demand for messangers to and fro across the lands as people tried to rebuild their own homes and just try to survive. Particularly once FP and Qeynos became enemies and the other cities weren't known to even have survived at the time. Remember this is a post cataclysm world that is (lore wise) only really getting to the point where they've rebuilt enough to start reexploring the world to find what is left and what has been uncovered. </p>

[Qanil]

<cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the fury you were dueling was running at 80% continuously, then there was something else going on besides his personal buffs and achievement skills.  </p><p>I have a level 48 fury with all of his speed enhancing achievement points, and the fastest he can go is 45% with all possible speed buffs and enhancements (minus Pact of the Cheetah).  He can go a heck of a lot faster for a short duration--either 99% or 100 percent (I can't recall)-with Pact of the Cheetah, but thats for a very limited time.</p></blockquote><p>Learn to play.  He didn't have a racial ability. Check your AAs, you probably have them in a different place.  I dont know WHAT he has them set up as...</p><p>Truth is, he has out of combat speed now, after they changed PotC a couple updates ago.. this speed stacks with Warden SOW or Dirge speed, so, he'll be running at a constant speed around 80pct.  Some can get even higher.</p><p>I wasn't Dueling him, I was PvP DUO'ing, 2 of us grouped, get it?  He's not my enemy, he told me flat out it's crazy how fast he gets to go now, all the time.</p>

[KBern]

<cite>Kalem wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I know this has been hashed sixtyfivemillion times but I think it needs to be mentioned until its addressed.</p><p>Why aren't BARDS the fastest TOONS in the GAME?</p><p>I have AAs in my runspeed and I can't keep up with a fury.  WHAT GIVES? </p><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or even just give us one more upgrade at 69 to put us back where we belong.. but seriously...</p><p>will this ever be addressed?</p></blockquote>Why should bards be the fastest characters in the game? Is there a correlation between playing musical instruments and singing and running fast? Is it something to do with escaping enraged audiences when they realise how bad your songs are? Help me out here...</blockquote>I think that comes from EQ1.  In EQ, the bards were the fastest class in the game.  They had amazing speed.</blockquote><p>That exactly where it comes from and it has no correlation with EQ2.</p><p>Bezerkers tossed boulders in EQ1, why cant they here?  Necors could fear kite in EQ1, why not here?  Wizards and druids could quad kite in EQ1, why not here?  I could go on and on.</p><p>Bards need to realize this is not EQ1 and they do not have to be the fastest in the game when they are already pretty fast w/o a mount.</p>

[MadLordOfMilk]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the fury you were dueling was running at 80% continuously, then there was something else going on besides his personal buffs and achievement skills.  </p><p>I have a level 48 fury with all of his speed enhancing achievement points, and the fastest he can go is 45% with all possible speed buffs and enhancements (minus Pact of the Cheetah).  He can go a heck of a lot faster for a short duration--either 99% or 100 percent (I can't recall)-with Pact of the Cheetah, but thats for a very limited time.</p></blockquote><p>Learn to play.  He didn't have a racial ability. Check your AAs, you probably have them in a different place.  I dont know WHAT he has them set up as...</p><p>Truth is, he has out of combat speed now, after they changed PotC a couple updates ago.. this speed stacks with Warden SOW or Dirge speed, so, he'll be running at a constant speed around 80pct.  Some can get even higher.</p><p>I wasn't Dueling him, I was PvP DUO'ing, 2 of us grouped, get it?  He's not my enemy, he told me flat out it's crazy how fast he gets to go now, all the time.</p></blockquote>Only way he could get that is with SoW up and stacking with the bard speed in some way shape or form... which begs the question why he doesn't just cast Sow on you <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Qanil]

<p>because it doesn't work on other people?  it's not a great leap for you to make, I guess, though in some small way you're just typing to sound smart when in reality, you dont know what you're talking about.</p><p>that's called forum trolling, and you're doing a [Removed for Content] poor job at it.</p><p>Learn 2 Play before you go and give advice.</p>

[lilmohi]

<p>I'll laugh myself silly if when the kunark epic weapons come out the effect on the bard weapon is a +Selos mod. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>From the sound of things though i suspect that bards will be happy with it. </p><p>Btw if furies are running at 80% from self buffs i'm sure it will get nerfed no worries.</p>

[Gareorn]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm ok with nerfing everyone else... or </p></blockquote>This is where you lose all your support.

[Gareorn]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kanolth@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>I never saw the point of bards being the fastest class in the game. How can you run and play your flute at the same time. Makes no sense. I agree with Shaun, you want speed go play Sonic or something.</blockquote><p>/giggle </p><p>This comment gave me the mental image of my old Eq1 bard running into a tree in West Karana and getting <b> her flute shoved down her throat</b>. </p></blockquote>I see you are still sticking to the "running into the tree" story.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Koltr]

<cite>inshiningarmor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Even though Shamen were the fastest in EQ 1  Bards keep whining here they should be the fastest.   Already got Mystics nurfed.  Why not make Bards run 100% and everyone else 0% .....  Might make them stop [I cannot control my vocabulary]</blockquote><sarcasm>Lets just balance the whole lot. Everyone who gets a out-of-combat run speed enhancement gets an in-combat penalty of equal value. Likewise the opposite should be true too.If Bards get, say, a 100% run speed out of combat, then they should get -100% during combat, since who can run while playing anything more than a bagpipe. Run with a flute and you might put yer eye out, or break a tooth, maybe. And don't even ask me how a bard gets all that piano music going, try running with one of those. Must be the gnomes' fault.And don't get me started why everybody can run so fast anyways. I wouldn't be unhappy (well maybe a little), if nobody had run speed, the zone size was multiplied by 1000%, and all them bell and carpet doohickeys took five hours to zone you, after a rigorous bout on a pirate ship, or in the case of carptes, against a grumpy chromatic dragon. Or maybe let the bards have a runspeed of 200% and they are forced to carry everyone else via piggy back to get the enhancement. Them were the days, I'm tellin' ya!</sarcasm>Bards get Selo's which gives them a pretty good running speed, they get to pass on that speed to their party as well. Shamans get the Wolf buff. It takes 5 minutes to go from one remote end of the world to the other. Whine about something else, pretty please...Like how the Bard can't seem to play anything but the same cruddy music, over, and over, and over, and over...<Billie Joel's Piano Man in the background>

[Tuppen]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the fury you were dueling was running at 80% continuously, then there was something else going on besides his personal buffs and achievement skills.  </p><p>I have a level 48 fury with all of his speed enhancing achievement points, and the fastest he can go is 45% with all possible speed buffs and enhancements (minus Pact of the Cheetah).  He can go a heck of a lot faster for a short duration--either 99% or 100 percent (I can't recall)-with Pact of the Cheetah, but thats for a very limited time.</p></blockquote><p>Learn to play.  He didn't have a racial ability. Check your AAs, you probably have them in a different place.  I dont know WHAT he has them set up as...</p><p>Truth is, he has out of combat speed now, after they changed PotC a couple updates ago.. this speed stacks with Warden SOW or Dirge speed, so, he'll be running at a constant speed around 80pct.  Some can get even higher.</p><p>I wasn't Dueling him, I was PvP DUO'ing, 2 of us grouped, get it?  He's not my enemy, he told me flat out it's crazy how fast he gets to go now, all the time.</p></blockquote><p>There's no need to be insulting.   First off, I said nothing about racial runspeed abilities.  If there are racial runspeed abilities, that's the first thing I have heard about it.</p><p> I know very well how to play.  I have a level 70 warden and a level 70 illusionist and multiple classes over level 45--the fury being one of them.</p><p>I have a fury who is high enough level to have all his AA's and class skills that affect runspeed.  I know how those abilities work.  Do you have a fury at this level?  Or are you just making assumptions?</p><p>Again, if the fury was telling you this, then he was misinforming you.  If you still believe you are correct, then please post all spells and AA's that furies get which enhance runspeed with their corresponding runspeed enhancement.  Then I might believe that you are correct in what you say about the fury class.</p>

[Sunlei]

<p>Time to add those mods from bard only drums and song clickies too <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> and real lev. songs and kiting! raise the bards from the dead!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PJrO7XIAec" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PJrO7XIAec</a></p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>lilmohi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'll laugh myself silly if when the kunark epic weapons come out the effect on the bard weapon is a +Selos mod. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>From the sound of things though i suspect that bards will be happy with it. </p><p>Btw if furies are running at 80% from self buffs i'm sure it will get nerfed no worries.</p></blockquote>They dont run 80% constantly from self buffs. One of the buffs that causes extra boost is a group buff and its temporary with a long recast <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But yeah, I would like to see bard selos upped as well. I miss the eq1 days when bards were the fastest in the game.

[Qanil]

<cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Again, if the fury was telling you this, then he was misinforming you.  If you still believe you are correct, then please post all spells and AA's that furies get which enhance runspeed with their corresponding runspeed enhancement.  Then I might believe that you are correct in what you say about the fury class.</p></blockquote><p>This is where I have to say learn to play.  Dude isn't going to lie to me, he's my guildie, I have other guildies that are furies that also have this out of combat speed that stacks with selo's or warden SoW.  You want me to list for you, YOUR SPELLS?  That has to be the dumbest request I think I have ever read.</p><p>Will some fury please set this guy straight... Right now, in game, there is a permanent buff, bugged or not, enabled by AAs that will stack with warden sow, or Bard Selo's.   It causes Furies to be THE FASTEST out of combat movement in the game.  </p><p>The statement was made above, by me, that I think Bards should be the fastest non-mounted permanent buffed toons in the game.  Disagree, that's fine.  I said what I needed to say.</p><p>However this troll doesn't even know about his class, and that's the big mind boggle here.</p><p>"it's 35% out of combat run speed + 35% falling damage reduction from 5 points into peerless predator in the EoF line "</p><p>stacks with bard's selos.  try it out.</p>

[Wargod1968]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wargod1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wrong. Learn your lore. Mechanics aside, EQ1 lore actually matters in EQ2. It might be evolved by this team to reflect story advancement, but you can't fault someone for wanting to know why bards have lost their edge in speed. Ogres used to be stupid. Now they are smart. Doesn't mean they were never stupid. Bards used to be fastest. Now they are not. Doesn't mean he he's out of place for asking about it. Remember, Bards in EQ lore (not merely mechanics) were known for being THE fleet-footed messengers across Antonica and Feydwer.</p></blockquote><p>Except the whole fact that he's not 'asking about it', more demanding it to be 'corrected' to what he thinks is the correct state.</p><p>And the lore behind bards probably exists if one looks for it, I haven't really looked so I can't say. But I definately would guess that post Shattering there was a WHOLE lot less demand for messangers to and fro across the lands as people tried to rebuild their own homes and just try to survive. Particularly once FP and Qeynos became enemies and the other cities weren't known to even have survived at the time. Remember this is a post cataclysm world that is (lore wise) only really getting to the point where they've rebuilt enough to start reexploring the world to find what is left and what has been uncovered. </p></blockquote><p>If the cataclysm of the Rending/Shattering/changing politics has reduced Bard runspeed, in your example, what evoked an increase in Druid run speed, lore-wise? Did Bards call it a day and druids tookover running the world's messages/diplomacy? Why them, as opposed to bards? </p><p>Personally, I don't believe bard speed nerfing was in any way involved in Lore, just bad game design management. </p>

[Tuppen]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Again, if the fury was telling you this, then he was misinforming you.  If you still believe you are correct, then please post all spells and AA's that furies get which enhance runspeed with their corresponding runspeed enhancement.  Then I might believe that you are correct in what you say about the fury class.</p></blockquote><p>This is where I have to say learn to play.  Dude isn't going to lie to me, he's my guildie, I have other guildies that are furies that also have this out of combat speed that stacks with selo's or warden SoW.  You want me to list for you, YOUR SPELLS?  That has to be the dumbest request I think I have ever read.</p><p>Will some fury please set this guy straight... Right now, in game, there is a permanent buff, bugged or not, enabled by AAs that will stack with warden sow, or Bard Selo's.   It causes Furies to be THE FASTEST out of combat movement in the game.  </p><p>The statement was made above, by me, that I think Bards should be the fastest non-mounted permanent buffed toons in the game.  Disagree, that's fine.  I said what I needed to say.</p><p>However this troll doesn't even know about his class, and that's the big mind boggle here.</p><p>"it's 35% out of combat run speed + 35% falling damage reduction from 5 points into peerless predator in the EoF line "</p><p>stacks with bard's selos.  try it out.</p></blockquote><p>He's insulting and he calls me the troll?  LOL.</p><p> I just did a quick search on the fury forums for "run speed".  I suggest you do the same.  </p><p>I learned something I never knew.  Kerrans have a 5% bonus and Fae have a 10% bonus.  I can admit that I can learn something new.  Can you?</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Again, if the fury was telling you this, then he was misinforming you.  If you still believe you are correct, then please post all spells and AA's that furies get which enhance runspeed with their corresponding runspeed enhancement.  Then I might believe that you are correct in what you say about the fury class.</p></blockquote><p>This is where I have to say learn to play.  Dude isn't going to lie to me, he's my guildie, I have other guildies that are furies that also have this out of combat speed that stacks with selo's or warden SoW.  You want me to list for you, YOUR SPELLS?  That has to be the dumbest request I think I have ever read.</p><p>Will some fury please set this guy straight... Right now, in game, there is a permanent buff, bugged or not, enabled by AAs that will stack with warden sow, or Bard Selo's.   It causes Furies to be THE FASTEST out of combat movement in the game.  </p><p>The statement was made above, by me, that I think Bards should be the fastest non-mounted permanent buffed toons in the game.  Disagree, that's fine.  I said what I needed to say.</p><p>However this troll doesn't even know about his class, and that's the big mind boggle here.</p><p>"it's 35% out of combat run speed + 35% falling damage reduction from 5 points into peerless predator in the EoF line "</p><p>stacks with bard's selos.  try it out.</p></blockquote>^  he is right, tho it stacks to an extent not fully. My boyfriend has a fury and he plays with my troub and my selos is +6% from AA (not the full +<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /> which makes it 40% runspeed, but with his 35% and my selos he only runs at 49%  So as you can see 35 + 40 =/= 49.Now his cheetah group spell (or whatever its called) DOES stack if I remember right and makes us go like 80% all together <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but its for a limited time with a long recast.

[Qanil]

<p>I know I'm right</p><p>with me in group my friend goes 81% full time .. he's a high elf....  with a warden sow he goes exactly 80%.</p><p>With his sow he goes 55%.</p>

[Tuppen]

<cite>Sidora@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Tuppen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Again, if the fury was telling you this, then he was misinforming you.  If you still believe you are correct, then please post all spells and AA's that furies get which enhance runspeed with their corresponding runspeed enhancement.  Then I might believe that you are correct in what you say about the fury class.</p></blockquote><p>This is where I have to say learn to play.  Dude isn't going to lie to me, he's my guildie, I have other guildies that are furies that also have this out of combat speed that stacks with selo's or warden SoW.  You want me to list for you, YOUR SPELLS?  That has to be the dumbest request I think I have ever read.</p><p>Will some fury please set this guy straight... Right now, in game, there is a permanent buff, bugged or not, enabled by AAs that will stack with warden sow, or Bard Selo's.   It causes Furies to be THE FASTEST out of combat movement in the game.  </p><p>The statement was made above, by me, that I think Bards should be the fastest non-mounted permanent buffed toons in the game.  Disagree, that's fine.  I said what I needed to say.</p><p>However this troll doesn't even know about his class, and that's the big mind boggle here.</p><p>"it's 35% out of combat run speed + 35% falling damage reduction from 5 points into peerless predator in the EoF line "</p><p>stacks with bard's selos.  try it out.</p></blockquote>^  he is right, tho it stacks to an extent not fully. My boyfriend has a fury and he plays with my troub and my selos is +6% from AA (not the full +<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" /> which makes it 40% runspeed, but with his 35% and my selos he only runs at 49%  So as you can see 35 + 40 =/= 49.Now his cheetah group spell (or whatever its called) DOES stack if I remember right and makes us go like 80% all together <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> but its for a limited time with a long recast.</blockquote>And 49 =/= 80 either.  Fury isn't even one of my main classes, but I still don't like to see a class get bashed by someone who is exaggerating or misinformed.

[Cadori Seraphim]

Ok warden sow is a whole diff thing <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sorry I had assumed since you mentioned *fury* that you were oh I dunno.. talking about a fury!My bad for not reading your mind <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I have not tested warden sow + selos so I will take your word for it. (as furies do NOT have aa to increase thier sow)

[Qanil]

<p>No, he's a Fury, from his aa line he gets a full time 35%  that 35% stacks with other kinds of run speed buffs.</p><p>he can cast his fury SoW on himself and get 55% full time.</p><p>With warden sow he goes 80%</p><p>With my Selos' speed  he goes 81% full time.</p><p> ----------------</p><p>I'm not bashing another class, I'm just telling this guy he doens't know what he's talking about.  I am being called a liar by someone that has obviously no idea, and that just doesn't sit right with me.</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No, he's a Fury, from his aa line he gets a full time 35%  that 35% stacks with other kinds of run speed buffs.</p><p>he can cast his fury SoW on himself and get 55% full time.</p><p>With warden sow he goes 80%</p><p>With my Selos' speed  he goes 81% full time.</p><p> ----------------</p><p>I'm not bashing another class, I'm just telling this guy he doens't know what he's talking about.  I am being called a liar by someone that has obviously no idea, and that just doesn't sit right with me.</p></blockquote>Ah ok I see, you had me confused - warden sow on a fury lol. I didnt think of that because well he could sow himself but it's just not as fast <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Haven't tested that combo, tho I have a warden with the AA sow, because I am curious I will have to test this when I get home =D (not that I dont believe ya lol just like to see things first hand)And I am with you, I dont think druids should be the fastest.

[Qanil]

I should also note, that I'm on a PvP server.  Not that it changes a thing about speeds, or sows, or aa lines, because pvp ones aren't any different... its just that here on a PvP server, run speed is a HUGE deal

[Tuppen]

<p>With their SoW on, Furies only get up to a continuous 45% run speed from their own AA enhancements and buffs (unless they have a racial trait that increases it further)  The SoW does not add additional runspeed--it is part of the 45%</p><p> Edited to correct my numbers.</p>

[Armawk]

<cite>firza wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shaunfletcher wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sunlei wrote:</cite><blockquote> The only eq2 "memories" are all the nurfs!</blockquote>The only thing you think is memorable in a game is how fast you used to be able to run? [I cannot control my vocabulary] is this, sonic the hedgehog or something?</blockquote>to young to understand....back to school for you <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>I was making computer games when you were playing with wooden blocks whippersnapper.. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But seriously, a later poster has presented a case for it (bard as fleet footed messenger). Thats more than earlier ones did and while hardly a winner it IS a useful argument.</p>

[Finora]

<cite>Wargod1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the cataclysm of the Rending/Shattering/changing politics has reduced Bard runspeed, in your example, what evoked an increase in Druid run speed, lore-wise? Did Bards call it a day and druids tookover running the world's messages/diplomacy? Why them, as opposed to bards? </p><p>Personally, I don't believe bard speed nerfing was in any way involved in Lore, just bad game design management. </p></blockquote><p>Why not? /shrug I'm not the one going on and on about how bard's have it sOooooooo bad because they can't run as fast as they used to be able to 500 years ago. Mostly the incredible bard speed from EQ1 came from the nice instruments you used. Bards didn't go ultra fast without drum really (at least they didn't when I was playing, which has been a while). They went fast but they weren't lightspeed or anything.</p><p>Bard troubles have zero to do with their runspeed.</p><p>And to swipe, as per your own details, fury's can't go 80-81% alone permanently. That requires outside buffs be it a warden's sow or a bard's selo's.</p><p>If warden's sow is stacking with the fury self buff that is a bug and should be reported as such, since Fury's own sow doesn't stack with the peerless predator aa (I just now tried it on my fury). The other druid aa that increases runspeed might stack with peerless (I don't have that one) but even at max I think it would only add something like 10-12% (unless it scales with level). That might possibly stack with sow, which with warden's sow that would put them at a pretty high speed, and if selo's stacked with it as well they'd be pretty fast. However, like I said I don't have that one to check and have zero desire to waste a respec to try it so I don't know the effects of that one for sure.</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

I just tested this and SoW and Selos do NOT stack <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Cheetah does, but again this is not a permanent buff and has a long recast.  I can post pics if you would like to see my findings but I would rather not have to LOLAm not saying your friend was lying, possibly a bug in his favor perhaps. (or possibly a bug in mine right now? but as I am speaking now in game selos and sow do not stack)

[toenukl]

<cite>Swipe@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No, he's a Fury, from his aa line he gets a full time 35%  that 35% stacks with other kinds of run speed buffs.</p><p>he can cast his fury SoW on himself and get 55% full time.</p><p>With warden sow he goes 80%</p><p>With my Selos' speed  he goes 81% full time.</p><p> ----------------</p><p>I'm not bashing another class, I'm just telling this guy he doens't know what he's talking about.  I am being called a liar by someone that has obviously no idea, and that just doesn't sit right with me.</p></blockquote>When in-combat runspeed was removed from PvP servers, they simply made the fury in-combat buffs out of combat speed. Hence they all stack(even w/ jboots and sow) since they are all out of combat speed. The confusion here is that this was ONLY a PvP server change. On PvE servers, this was not touched and those buffs are still in combat speed, meaning they will not stack w/ SoW, Jboots, or any other out of combat ability at all. On PvE servers the max speed a Fury can run self buffed is 45%, on PvP its 75% w/ all the right AA's and 100% w/ Warden SoW. Keep in mind though, in PvP combat Fury's have ZERO runspeed while in combat, whereas on PvE servers they maintain their 45% in combat speed.

[toenukl]

Furthermore, the bards may be happy to know that in PvP combat bards are the fastest class in game, as they are the only ones that have in combat runspeed.

[Cadori Seraphim]

Thank you for clarifying that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> I was under the assumption that speed effects were the same on all servers. It's nice to know its not. Though why that is I have no idea lol

[Wargod1968]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wargod1968 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If the cataclysm of the Rending/Shattering/changing politics has reduced Bard runspeed, in your example, what evoked an increase in Druid run speed, lore-wise? Did Bards call it a day and druids tookover running the world's messages/diplomacy? Why them, as opposed to bards? </p><p>Personally, I don't believe bard speed nerfing was in any way involved in Lore, just bad game design management. </p></blockquote><p>Why not? /shrug I'm not the one going on and on about how bard's have it sOooooooo bad because they can't run as fast as they used to be able to 500 years ago. Mostly the incredible bard speed from EQ1 came from the nice instruments you used. Bards didn't go ultra fast without drum really (at least they didn't when I was playing, which has been a while). They went fast but they weren't lightspeed or anything.</p><p>Bard troubles have zero to do with their runspeed.</p><p>And to swipe, as per your own details, fury's can't go 80-81% alone permanently. That requires outside buffs be it a warden's sow or a bard's selo's.</p><p>If warden's sow is stacking with the fury self buff that is a bug and should be reported as such, since Fury's own sow doesn't stack with the peerless predator aa (I just now tried it on my fury). The other druid aa that increases runspeed might stack with peerless (I don't have that one) but even at max I think it would only add something like 10-12% (unless it scales with level). That might possibly stack with sow, which with warden's sow that would put them at a pretty high speed, and if selo's stacked with it as well they'd be pretty fast. However, like I said I don't have that one to check and have zero desire to waste a respec to try it so I don't know the effects of that one for sure.</p></blockquote><p>I'm not 100% certain, but I think PvE can /char copy over to test various things w/o ruining their real builds or wasting plate. I successfully copied over my Mystic, I just haven't loaded test yet. </p><p>I know Furies can't get cheetah speed indefinitely - I was referring to the increase with AAs from 20% sow speed at launch to ~45% with AAs, however.  Whereas dirges used to be very fast with the old training choices, but have slipped down quite a bit, since.</p><p> /shrug   Maybe they'll toss in instruments to remedy it. Yes, bards have bigger issues than speed to worry about (though bard in-combat WIS gains are nifty for kiting), but its hard to let go of the feeling I got equiping my bard with the Thunderous Drums and taking off across South Karana like I had a rocket strapped to my rear end.</p>

[Tuppen]

<p>Thank you Nail for confirming that we are both right.</p><p>I certianly don't know the Fury class on PvP servers, but I know what it can do on PvE servers.  I appreciate your confirming that the original poster and myself are both correct under the circumstances of the servers on which we play.</p>

[Finora]

<p>Yes, thank you Nail. I don't do PVP so didn't reallize that the way the runspeed buffs worked were different over there.</p><p>And Wargod, you could only copy to the PVP test server from a PVP live server. Currently the PVP test server is just a second PVE test server that allows anyone to copy to it to allow for extended testing of the DW changes with a wider population than the normal Test server provides.</p>

[Silverpaws]

<p>My ranger runs at 51% all the time.  61% with jboots.  I sold my horse because it was slowing me down.</p><p>so pfft.....  </p><p>Bards didnt have evac in eq1.  I say we nerf that back to eq1 standards.  I mean.... they wouldnt need it if they ran faster, right?</p>

[Cadori Seraphim]

Nether did SKs but they have it (evac that is) so what to do with them then ey?And dang it all to heck! My sig keeps reverting back to the old one!! /pouts

[Wargod1968]

<cite>Denuve@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My ranger runs at 51% all the time.  61% with jboots.  I sold my horse because it was slowing me down.</p><p>so pfft.....  </p><p>Bards didnt have evac in eq1.  I say we nerf that back to eq1 standards.  I mean.... they wouldnt need it if they ran faster, right?</p></blockquote><p>If we revert to the old standards, we'd need to equip Rangers with a raid-only ability that lets them immediately move to the no. 1 hate position as soon as a mob is engaged and lowers their hit points to 1    <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My horse used to slow down my dirge, too, until I put him back down on the ground. It was easier on both of us that way <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Dreamin]

<cite>Einina@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please, shut up about run speed already or we'll get run speed as our RoK armour set bonuses..</blockquote>That would be better than our three piece set bonus from EoF armor.

[Wargod1968]

<cite>Finora wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>And Wargod, you could only copy to the PVP test server from a PVP live server. Currently the PVP test server is just a second PVE test server that allows anyone to copy to it to allow for extended testing of the DW changes with a wider population than the normal Test server provides.</p></blockquote>Thank you Finora - I wasn't aware of that.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Dreamin]

<cite>Nail@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Furthermore, the bards may be happy to know that in PvP combat bards are the fastest class in game, as they are the only ones that have in combat runspeed.</blockquote><p>Nice - so our run speed is based on PvP and our damage is so low because people tend to have low mental resist so we do more relative damage in PvP.  This game has 2 PvP servers and how many PvE??  But the devs are obsessed with PvP even though their customers aren't.   It just amazes me how a company like Sony can have such complete disregard for their customer.</p><p>What burns me about the run speed is without AA's bard speed is the fastest buff but all other classes that can AA run speed get 5% increase per AA and bards get 1%.  I have to waste my AA in a useless skill to get DKTM then ask a druid for SoW or use a mount if I want to keep up with the raid.</p>

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Dreamin wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nail@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Furthermore, the bards may be happy to know that in PvP combat bards are the fastest class in game, as they are the only ones that have in combat runspeed.</blockquote><p>Nice - so our run speed is based on PvP and our damage is so low because people tend to have low mental resist so we do more relative damage in PvP.  This game has 2 PvP servers and how many PvE??  But the devs are obsessed with PvP even though their customers aren't.   It just amazes me how a company like Sony can have such complete disregard for their customer.</p><p>What burns me about the run speed is without AA's bard speed is the fastest buff but all other classes that can AA run speed get 5% increase per AA and bards get 1%.  I have to waste my AA in a useless skill to get DKTM then ask a druid for SoW or use a mount if I want to keep up with the raid.</p></blockquote><p>All changes made to runspeed were done on<span style="font-size: xx-large;"> <b><u>PvP ONLY</u></b></span> so you can stop your whining now.</p><p>As for the rest of your post... i agree, but let's fix the REAL problems with bards before we start worrying about how fast we run.</p>