netherlord vs protoferno

[miliskel]

 i here that m1 protoferno limited pet explodes in aoe doing about 1.5k when it dies, what does our netherlord do in comparison? i think theres does more damage too..

[Agaxiq]

Wizzies get a clear advantage here.  You think we'd get the aoe damage bonus since, well, we're the AOE class... We get no bonus on death - plus we have to use a nil crystal. I went through a labs raid and did some comparisons.  One of our wizzies had it up all the time, but I didn't cast it that much because he would always get killed by AOEs. My Netherlord is M1, and I can only assume the Wizzies was M1 as well.  Labs has a combination of blue/white/yellow mobs. <u>Netherlord </u>Attacks every 2.4 secs on average Hit ratio was 47% Average damage was 331.7 <u>Protoferno </u>Attacks every 2.4 secs on average Hit ratio was 51% Average damage was 331.2 + 12202 damage in death hits, 12 of them. So, the active damage is about the same, (ours is probably higher but not as many people debuff crushing like they can debuff heat) Plus the AOE damage on death is huge, so it would warrant casting it all the time.  In zones with lots of AOE mobs I simply dont use it cause its a waste of casting time and a nil crystal for just a few hits.  Their low hit ratio on yellows only makes it worse. agressiv

[LionWilled]

<p>This is quite unfair, and there is no logic to it at all. The Netherlord, should upon death OR at the end of it's duration, cast an nuke that hits everyone in the same group as the mob it is targeting. </p><p> Having our pet do far less damage because of lack of the explosion is insult enough, but the fact that we have to pay a nil crystal for it on top of that is ridiculous.</p>

[Mastire]

Netherlord has a lifetap as well, I beleive.

[LionWilled]

<cite>Mastire wrote:</cite><blockquote>Netherlord has a lifetap as well, I beleive.</blockquote><p> If this is true, maybe it is the reason why he doesn't explode or do anything of that nature. They oversimplify yet again and think that one special ability is as good as the next, so the two are even.</p><p>*laughs*</p><p> I wouldn't be suprised if he doesn't lifetap all that often, and that it probably gets resisted alot. What could it do otherwise? Increase his dps by a pittance so he can stay alive 3 seconds longer?</p>

[Agaxiq]

The netherlord does not have a life tap in any fashion.  He simply does straight crushing damage, nothing else. agressiv

[Agaxiq]

More stats: The Netherlord M1 has about 1650 Hit Points without any buffs. You will get 18 swings if the netherlord doesn't have to travel too far to reach its target and it doesn't get stunned or anything. <u>Hit ratios: </u> White mobs its around 60-70% Blue mobs its anywhere from 78% - 100% Green mobs its anywhere from 95% - 100% Grey mobs, his hit ratio is 100%.  He even got in a crit hit once, and few ripostes. So, with a 50% hit ratio (at best) on yellow epics, he's gonna do about 2k damage on an non-debuffed mob.  The spell efficiency guide off of eq2bm assumes he'll land all 18 hits - he won't - not while raiding, unless you are just doing T6 raids at level 70. His miss rate is simply too high - and I would drop him down the list off efficiency - especially since he can be easily "cured" by an AOE.  And FYI, ACT won't log the misses, only the hits.  You'll have to dive through logs to see the misses. agressiv

[miliskel]

u can see just look through all+ for your name and click outgonig damage, a pie chart should come up. after that look at netherlords "swings" then compare it to "hits" and u cansee the ratio and also just to top it off i think id be right to say protoferno is better than broodlings and netherlord with that explosion

[Agaxiq]

Thats the thing.  He'll get 18 swings in. ACT shows 14 swings, 14 hits (even though there were 4 misses) agressiv

[miliskel]

for me it says 18 swings 13 hits when i used him just to test it.