Question about "Flowing Thought" and "Regeneration" items...

[ScaledMystic]

<p>I have a number of items equipped that have "Flowing Thought" and "Regeneration" built into them. My question is, do these enhancements stack? Or is only the highest value used, or something sucky like that?</p><p> Thanks for answering!</p>

[ashen1973]

There are different types of 'flowing thought' and 'regeneration' the different types do stack, but you cannot stack the same. I.e you get 'Flowing thought I' - regens one point of power per tick 'Flowing thought II' - regens two points per tick 'Flowing thought III' - regens 3 points per tick ...and so on. if you have  one 'flowing thought I' item and one 'flowing thought II' item, the effects will stack but if you have two  'flowing though I' items, you will only get the effect from one. You do get items that will say 'increases power regen by X'. But are not 'flowing thought' items (also get the health regen equivalent'. These will all stack with any other regen items.

[Pins]

Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>There are different types of 'flowing thought' and 'regeneration' the different types do stack, but you cannot stack the same. I.e you get 'Flowing thought I' - regens one point of power per tick 'Flowing thought II' - regens two points per tick 'Flowing thought III' - regens 3 points per tick ...and so on. if you have  one 'flowing thought I' item and one 'flowing thought II' item, the effects will stack but if you have two  'flowing though I' items, you will only get the effect from one. You do get items that will say 'increases power regen by X'. But are not 'flowing thought' items (also get the health regen equivalent'. These will all stack with any other regen items. </blockquote>This information about FT1 not stacking with FT1 is completely wrong.  Please, do not post about information you have never tested before and just claim to be true.  FT stacks with itself no matter what value it is.  If you think it doesn't, you are completely mistaken and should stop posting right now.

[Kizee]

<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>There are different types of 'flowing thought' and 'regeneration' the different types do stack, but you cannot stack the same. I.e you get 'Flowing thought I' - regens one point of power per tick 'Flowing thought II' - regens two points per tick 'Flowing thought III' - regens 3 points per tick ...and so on. if you have  one 'flowing thought I' item and one 'flowing thought II' item, the effects will stack but if you have two  'flowing though I' items, you will only get the effect from one. You do get items that will say 'increases power regen by X'. But are not 'flowing thought' items (also get the health regen equivalent'. These will all stack with any other regen items. </blockquote>This information about FT1 not stacking with FT1 is completely wrong.  Please, do not post about information you have never tested before and just claim to be true.  FT stacks with itself no matter what value it is.  If you think it doesn't, you are completely mistaken and should stop posting right now. </blockquote>Like pinski said....any FT item will stack with any FT item. The exception to that rule is battlement of the mind which doesn't stack with itself (unless they changed it again...I haven't been in T5 in a long long time <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.  ) In addition.... 1.) any regen stacks with any regen. 2.) Haste items do not stack with each other.

[ashen1973]

<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>There are different types of 'flowing thought' and 'regeneration' the different types do stack, but you cannot stack the same. I.e you get 'Flowing thought I' - regens one point of power per tick 'Flowing thought II' - regens two points per tick 'Flowing thought III' - regens 3 points per tick ...and so on. if you have  one 'flowing thought I' item and one 'flowing thought II' item, the effects will stack but if you have two  'flowing though I' items, you will only get the effect from one. You do get items that will say 'increases power regen by X'. But are not 'flowing thought' items (also get the health regen equivalent'. These will all stack with any other regen items. </blockquote>This information about FT1 not stacking with FT1 is completely wrong.  Please, do not post about information you have never tested before and just claim to be true.  FT stacks with itself no matter what value it is.  If you think it doesn't, you are completely mistaken and should stop posting right now. </blockquote>you have some real issues Pinski, think you really need to lighten up a bit. Was absolutely no need to post a correction in this manner.. I guess some people just like to react like this when using the internet as they know they just wouldn't get away with it in real life. As for FT not stacking, yes you are correct, I've just been ingame to check and FT items do all stack now. I stand corrected. But, as someone who has played since launch, and realises just how pointless the majority of FT items are, i was basing my statement on how it used to be. Until today I hadn't tried to stack Ft items for a long time.  FT items never used to stack, but it seems at some point they have been changed. To the OP. I apologise for my error. all FT and regen items do now stack.

[Pins]

Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote> FT items never used to stack, but it seems at some point they have been changed. </blockquote>You must have been playing a different game than me.  Because FT items have ALWAYS stacked, ever since the FT concept was first implemented into the game.  In fact, there were many posts on this very subject that would come up once every few months with people saying it doesn't stack.  When after 3 posts it would be posted that they were wrong and then we continue to have these same posts dug up and posted every few months again with people STILL believing that it doesn't stack.  It's the same way with Increase the INT of your troubador to give a higher damage for Aria/Precision for the entire group, another myth that people believe.

[Effie]

Flowing Thought items have always stacked... even from beta.

[Liyle]

FT has always stacked, but there has been (maybe still is) a cap. I don't find it useless in any way. My Templar wears every bit of FT I can find and she is almost always the one who has power to spare plus she isn't constantly nagging the Necro for a heart. I notice a big difference when I have to go to my backup armor.

[Kizee]

There was a time where they were going to change FT not to stack but it was dropped.

[xOnaton1]

I think the confusion appeared when the strong Flowing Thought items were changed a couple times. In the original game Flowing Thought used to be very rare and pretty overpowering. (This was way back in 2005 when a lot of things were still hidden from view and gear scaled up over a range of levels.) <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=252909" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> From Update Notes: March 10, 2005:</a> - Items that grant power or health regeneration will add the amount of power or health listed rather than apply it as a percentage. For example:    - Prismatic weapons should replenish 12 power per tick.    - Golden Efreeti boots should replenish 20 power per tick.    - Robe of the Invoker should replenish 20 power per tick.    - Kiteshield of the King should replenish 24 power per tick. From <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=262308" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Test Update #11a - June 15, 2005:</a> - Golden Efreeti Boots and Robe of the Invoker now regenerate 16 power at level 50 instead of 20. In addition, their regen effects no longer stack. From <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=252973" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Live Update #11: June 28, 2005 (The Splitpaw Saga):</a> - Golden Efreeti Boots now regenerate 5 power per tick. Robe of the Invoker now regenerates 7 power per tick. These regen effects will stack with each other. - An item with the Battlement of the Mind effect now regenerates 5 power per tick. While this effect will stack with either or both of the items above, having multiple items with Battlement of the Mind will not result in additional power regeneration. The effect does not stack with itself. Hope that clears it up. Othesus - Dirge - Lucan DLere Vaspar - Fury - Lucan DLere

[simpwrx02]

The cap for FT at lvl 70 is 113/tick which figures in the base of 8 FT from being level 70. so max FT you can equip and recieve from spells is 105 or about 1.5 FT per level I believe is the formula.  Chanter FT stacks with bard FT abilities, however a chanter and a chanter in a group do not stack and neither do 2 bards. 

[Sabutai]

<cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The cap for FT at lvl 70 is 113/tick which figures in the base of 8 FT from being level 70. so max FT you can equip and recieve from spells is 105 or about 1.5 FT per level I believe is the formula.  Chanter FT stacks with bard FT abilities, however a chanter and a chanter in a group do not stack and neither do 2 bards. </blockquote>Not sure the whole formula here too but this info is somewhat incorrect.  There are 2 caps to FT, one is from items which was around 50ish during KoS not sure the exact formula there but was based on level like max stats are.  And then there's a spell cap, the enchanter and bard stacking issue is correct, and usually item + bard + chanter you're near max for FT.  The exception to all that is Necro's Lich which seems to supercede that and add on to any FT in the group.

[ke'la]

<cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The cap for FT at lvl 70 is 113/tick which figures in the base of 8 FT from being level 70. so max FT you can equip and recieve from spells is 105 or about 1.5 FT per level I believe is the formula.  Chanter FT stacks with bard FT abilities, however a chanter and a chanter in a group do not stack and neither do 2 bards. </blockquote>Not sure the whole formula here too but this info is somewhat incorrect.  There are 2 caps to FT, one is from items which was around 50ish during KoS not sure the exact formula there but was based on level like max stats are.  And then there's a spell cap, the enchanter and bard stacking issue is correct, and usually item + bard + chanter you're near max for FT.  The exception to all that is Necro's Lich which seems to supercede that and add on to any FT in the group. </blockquote><p>I think the way it works is there is an over all Power Regen In-Combate Cap, at wich point no spell or iteam that increases your Regen will speed up your regen. The Amount of that cap that can be reseaved from Iteams is I beleave Half the Total cap. So if the regen cap is 100 per tick then the most regen you can get from iteams is 50 points per tick(numbers comptly made up Min/Maxers please give the real numbers if I am correct about the 50% thing)</p><p>As far as FT not stacking like someone else said FT on CERTAIN ITEAMS for a short period of time did not stack. They then Nerfed those iteams then allowed them to stack. </p>

[Bright_Morn]

Max Power Regen is 113 in combat at level 70. 8 from being 70 105 = 1.5 * level is the cap for spells and items total. Spells can give you up to the total 105.  However items are limited to 52.5 or half of the total. So the FT limit is 0.75 * level.

[Effie]

<p><span style="font-size: xx-small"><i>As far as FT not stacking like someone else said FT on CERTAIN ITEAMS for a short period of time did not stack.</i> </span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small">Except that the effects that did not stack weren't even called FT.</span></p>

[IanInSac]

<cite>Pinski wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kalyyn@Splitpaw wrote: <blockquote>There are different types of 'flowing thought' and 'regeneration' the different types do stack, but you cannot stack the same. I.e you get 'Flowing thought I' - regens one point of power per tick 'Flowing thought II' - regens two points per tick 'Flowing thought III' - regens 3 points per tick ...and so on. if you have  one 'flowing thought I' item and one 'flowing thought II' item, the effects will stack but if you have two  'flowing though I' items, you will only get the effect from one. You do get items that will say 'increases power regen by X'. But are not 'flowing thought' items (also get the health regen equivalent'. These will all stack with any other regen items. </blockquote>This information about FT1 not stacking with FT1 is completely wrong.  Please, do not post about information you have never tested before and just claim to be true.  FT stacks with itself no matter what value it is.  If you think it doesn't, you are completely mistaken and should stop posting right now. </blockquote>QFT, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't post and let the people who do know post. Thanks.

[simpwrx02]

<cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The cap for FT at lvl 70 is 113/tick which figures in the base of 8 FT from being level 70. so max FT you can equip and recieve from spells is 105 or about 1.5 FT per level I believe is the formula.  Chanter FT stacks with bard FT abilities, however a chanter and a chanter in a group do not stack and neither do 2 bards. </blockquote>Not sure the whole formula here too but this info is somewhat incorrect.  There are 2 caps to FT, one is from items which was around 50ish during KoS not sure the exact formula there but was based on level like max stats are.  And then there's a spell cap, the enchanter and bard stacking issue is correct, and usually item + bard + chanter you're near max for FT.  The exception to all that is Necro's Lich which seems to supercede that and add on to any FT in the group. </blockquote><p> Okay first off you can achieve more than 52.5 FT from gear alone, I have had my wizzy up to around 70FT presonally solo.  This is what i remember, at work right now, but will test it when I get home, I am pretty sure that the cap for FT is 105 from gearand/or spells.</p><p>Second Lich like any other proc is power on top of FT so proc items do not account towards the FT cap.</p>

[Sabutai]

<cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sabutai wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>simpwrx02 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The cap for FT at lvl 70 is 113/tick which figures in the base of 8 FT from being level 70. so max FT you can equip and recieve from spells is 105 or about 1.5 FT per level I believe is the formula.  Chanter FT stacks with bard FT abilities, however a chanter and a chanter in a group do not stack and neither do 2 bards. </blockquote>Not sure the whole formula here too but this info is somewhat incorrect.  There are 2 caps to FT, one is from items which was around 50ish during KoS not sure the exact formula there but was based on level like max stats are.  And then there's a spell cap, the enchanter and bard stacking issue is correct, and usually item + bard + chanter you're near max for FT.  The exception to all that is Necro's Lich which seems to supercede that and add on to any FT in the group. </blockquote><p> Okay first off you can achieve more than 52.5 FT from gear alone, I have had my wizzy up to around 70FT presonally solo.  This is what i remember, at work right now, but will test it when I get home, I am pretty sure that the cap for FT is 105 from gearand/or spells.</p><p>Second Lich like any other proc is power on top of FT so proc items do not account towards the FT cap.</p></blockquote> the power portion of lich isn't a proc its a passive ability.  Also what I stated before was correct unless changes to it recently have occured.  Since I don't really care about FT and don't have much on my char any more I don't know what the hard and soft caps are anymore.  The 52.5 hard cap on gear was around the DoF/KoS era. 

[simpwrx02]

<p>I guess proc was a bad way to explain lich, it is mroe of a health to conversion dot that is always up.  simliar to the necro heart, it is not just power as FT is , it is power at a cost of health.</p><p>I do remember hearing a max of 52.5 FT cap for gear, I am pretty sure I have had mine higher, I do not use FT gear anymore as power proc gear is much better.  I play a Euridite and part fo thier racial ability is they can get FT10 which may have been how I was above the 52.5 FT cap from gear and I could have hit 70 if that was considered a spell, will check and post when I get home.  I no longer have the FT 10 and now I use the 5% power pool bonus.  </p><p>edit: I was wrong the max FT you can get from items is 52.5, my previous mistake was the fact that at one time I had teh eruidite racial traditions of FT10 which counts toward spell generated FT which is capped by the max FT cap of 113.</p>