PvP monks, mongoose stance

[mattmandude]

Does this stance clear targets in solo pvp, or does it only cause an opponent to switch targets when in a group (meaning it's useless for soloing)? -Thanks, been wondering for a while.

[Kota]

causes them to dump target.  standard de-aggro

[mattmandude]

Are you sure about that though? I think I remember reading a post a dev made about it a while ago stating that the way it worked is that your opponent will actually change targets from you to someone else in your group, and that in solo pvp it didn't do anything. And the more I think about, I really doubt it's working as it states, because a 50% chance to drop target on any successful melee is a LOT, and I'm pretty sure the FP aren't losing me in the target that much.

[Teak]

I duel a guardian friend of mine regularly and he loses me as his target several times during the 30 seconds it takes me to kill him (every time). The first time this happened it surprised me... I was in this stance and didn't even think about how it would affect our duel. Now, it just annoys the heck out of him.

[Weizen Heimer]

It dumps their target, but they will retarget you the next time you hit them. It can still really screw with their timing. If you really want to throw them for a loop, hit Rescue and then FD. You get ~ 5 seconds of them not being able to target you.

[Teak]

Hmm, that could be really handy for some downtime to wait for CA refreshes. But I don't understand how that combo makes them not able to target you. Rescue is going to pull their agro, so then you would be targetted. Can you explain?

[Xunen]

<p>Your opponent targets you after Rescue and cant switch target for five seconds. Then you FD and he loses target, but still can't switch target for the 5 seconds and targets nothing.</p><p>So that your opponent loses target with Mongoose Stance is now officially confirmed and working as intended?</p>

[mattmandude]

<p>Weizen HEimer confirmed it, but I'm a little skeptical Teeke because I believe the dueling combat system is different than the pvp system (assuming you're on a PvE server).</p><p> So if it is indeed working as intended, I'm curious now to know whether putting multiple points into it will make a difference?</p>

[Weizen Heimer]

<cite>mattmandude wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Weizen HEimer confirmed it, but I'm a little skeptical Teeke because I believe the dueling combat system is different than the pvp system (assuming you're on a PvE server).</p><p> So if it is indeed working as intended, I'm curious now to know whether putting multiple points into it will make a difference?</p></blockquote><p>Taunts, Rescue, Dragon Stance, and Mongoose stance as far as I have ever known do not work in the arena or in duels on PVE servers. I know they didn't work in the area as of a few weeks ago when I fought some guild members in there. It seems like it would be a good idea for them to switch arena combat at least and maybe duels also to the PVP ruleset of PVP servers. </p><p>Anyway, they all work in PVP combat on a PVP server. You only need 1 point in Mongoose for it to work in PVP. More points do nothing for the PVP effect.</p>

[Xunen]

<p>I can now officially confirm that Mongoose Stance works in PvP. My dad got it the other day and if you switch to see the PvP effects it says "50% chance to clear target". Theres no timer, so your opponent can re-target you immediately after you clear his target.</p><p>Now there would be the question, is Mongoose Stance also good for groups or only solonig? Clear target is nice, but wouldn't switch target to Monk in group be a better choice? But since there is no timer for switching target back on the taunt stance, I'm assuming that taunts would be enough to keep aggro.</p>

[Weizen Heimer]

<p>Since there is no timer on either, might as well make them clear target rather than target the monk. </p><p>Monks can't hold full groups in PVP</p>

[mattmandude]

Well, I too play on a pvp server and do know what the pvp description says, but I was just curious whether it was really working due to the fact that I haven't noticed a change in my PvP with the stance on. But I'm just going to assume it does work.<div></div><div>And on the note of whether or not to use it, I'd use it in group and when soloing. For soloing it's obvious why, but for groups/raids, usually the monks best job is to taunt the healer, then clear his target so the healer loses whomever they're healing, and then can't heal themselves through the monk because they cleared their target. Having this stance on only adds to the healers confusion <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></div>