shadow man and the void lore is there any?

[Drager]

is there any lore for shadow men and the void?

[Lenanu]

There is a Shadowman L&L (forget where i found it). I recently completed it a few weeks ago. Don't think there is a Void L&L

[Drager]

ya i know about the L@L for shadow men but havent been able to log on in a week but i havent been able to find anything about the void <img src="/smilies/0a4d7238daa496a758252d0a2b1a1384.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

<p>All we know is that creatures of the void, shadowmen included, are Norrath's version of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers", because that's exactly what they do. They steal up and inhabit the bodies of famous people across Norrath, including Fiddy Bobick, in order to learn more about integrating themselves into our society. They are to Norrath what the Skrull are to the Fantastic Four. They're ultimate goal is the complete destruction of everything. They're nihilists who only want to see everything return to nothingness.</p><p>Personally, I find the whole experience with the void to be boring. Very boring. The whole mystery is so played out, yet we never get any new answers. Just more questions.</p>

[Drager]

thanks that means i figured it out...... i think ok the lore behind this is really a bunch of different things put together and if what you say is true then i have figured it out The words of Zebuxoruk states that when he was caught he saw "However, this was not all that transpired. For I beheld the fabric of time that all beings travel upon unfurled before me as a scroll of exquisite parchment. And I beheld that the parchment neatly tore in twain at that moment of the Matron's command, but not as two parts of a whole but as two wholes of the same whole each containing the same words and symbols and they continued on as before, completely unaware of one another. I then watched as one of the parchments curled upon itself for the space of time appointed by the Matron of the Art so that the parchment did not continue forward for the space of several hours before once again continuing on before me. And it came to pass that the two parchments continued on before me into parts I could no longer see, one traveling before the other and the words and symbols upon them both began to change, slightly at first but more and more profoundly as they continued on. And the space of time between them was the very same number of hours that was the appointed time of the Matron. And all this I saw before my loss of consciousness and subsequent reawakening." this is my first theory: we are the second parchment the one that curled in on itself this is the cause of the shattering when the gods left us the first parchment is the one of the shadow men. i will now tell you how i know what i do Zebuxoruk traveled to a place beyond time this is true and is part of eq1 history. in this place he saw norrath split in 2 this is norrath past ,present, future. this did not copy the gods and they can only proside over one universe. they chose our universe the secound one and let the first one that went ahead of use to suffer their fate.(this was to become shadow men)thus is the creation of the void both universes were punished but the one that was not being watched by the gods was created into a hellish place the gods intervened on our plane and saved our fate this is my first theory and i belive it to be correct i could have some info wrong so let me know  

[Mirander_1]

The whole parchment thing is an explanation of the divergent timelines of EQlive and EQ2, and why the lore between the two may not match up. The one the curled in on itself is the timeline of EQlive, where Druzzil Ro turned back time to prevent Zeb's escape. The one that just continued on is the timeline of EQ2, where Zeb managed to escape his prison (hence his presence in Fallen Dynasty)

[Drager]

can you link me where this is found?

[Cusashorn]

^ Go pick up the Book of Zebuxoruk at the library in either of the mage towers in Qeynos or Freeport. it's free to everyone.

[Drager]

i know i am talking about where it says that the folded parchment is eq1 and the one that continued is eq2

[Cusashorn]

Drager@Nektulos wrote: <blockquote>i know i am talking about where it says that the folded parchment is eq1 and the one that continued is eq2 </blockquote> Oh that, sorry. The developers have stated themselves which is which.

[Drager]

any links to that or what cause i would like to see that info for my self to inspect it..... ok theory 2 then this now being the most likely story the void is the plane inbetween the two planes (why it is called"The Void&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> this plane was most likely cause by the ripping of norath into two planes this is a backwards world of norath.(only so i f i can see some soolid evidance of the developers explaining that theory #1 is false)

[Cusashorn]

<p>Unfortunately I can't even begin to think of what words I should be searching for to find that developer response. All I remember is one of them told me which was which, after I assumed my oppinion on which was which. >_<</p><p>They also explained that The Void is basicly a dimension of existance that exists in Nature. It's a required part of existance. In order for there to be matter, there also has to be nothingness to balance things out. The Nameless itself came from the Void, and anyone who enters the void experiences corruption, as it is the very nature of things there.</p>

[Drager]

 lol well you could have said that earlier <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Edit: i did a search for the void and found a bunch of code if anything the developers dont want you knowing anything about the void for some reason

[Drager]

wait there has to be more than that there is no explation of the void any where. and if the nameless can from the void and he created everything shouldent we be worshiping the nameless? and if there is no way to find this information then how do we know it exists how do we know that it just wasent a way to have people sstop asking about it and if so what plane did Zebuxoruk go to to talk to the races?    these are a few holes i have found in the devs explation that is missing i do belive it exists but only as a idea a thought and not true lore the problem here is this is a major part of the game where you realize it or not the void is continuely acessing our world trying to destroy us. yet  be infultrating the void you would be able (following lore here) travers too other planes and other dimensions...... but if you follow this piece that says each deity draws power from different planes the the void and norath would feed to the deity of traquilty <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=187270" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=187270</a> because to have tranquility you must have equal good and evil a balance..

[Cusashorn]

<p>Worshipping the Nameless is like worshipping the Big Bang theory. He only exists to give existance... well.. existance. He's far too involved in the grand scheme of the cosmos to care about granting favors to one or two of googols upon googols of individual life forms scattered across the universe.</p><p>(A googol is 10 to the 100th power, or 1 followed by 100 zeros)</p><p>As for the void, we enter it every time we enter an Obelisk. We know it exists. The inhabitants just don't want to divulge in information since they only want to take over our bodies anyway.</p>

[RaphaNissi]

Wow...just wow For starters, the Void is very intriguing to many of us.  Don't listen to Cusa on this point as he is a known void-hater.  Probably because he really doesn't understand it.  The Void is a separate dimension from Norrath.  We don't know exactly what the creatures overall goal is.  We do know they inhabit multiple creatures on the worlds they invade and NOT just famous people.  There are quite a few books out there that describe some of this in more detail.  You can read them <a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=list&type=book&id=26" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">here</a> to help better understand some things. Many people and entities in Norrath's history and present have a connection to the Void.  Make sure you do a search too of Void posts written by Vhalen.  I know there are quite a few out there where he gives hints and clues as to what.  I'm not sure exactly what you mean when you say they don't want us to know anything or that it exists only as an idea and not true lore.  There are loads of information both in game and on these forums about the Void and the Obelisks found on Norrath.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Probably because he really doesn't understand it.  </blockquote>I understand all the lore. The problem is they NEVER GET TO THE ****ING POINT! Every time we learn a little more about the Void, we just get answers in the form of more questions that only hint to more questions that only hint to something greater that only results in more questions. If these creatures are gonna invade Norrath and take over, then just get it over with so we actually have an aknowledgable threat to Norrath. They're moving at a snail's pace on this thing.

[RaphaNissi]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>RaphaNissi wrote:</cite><blockquote>Probably because he really doesn't understand it.  </blockquote>I understand all the lore. The problem is they NEVER GET TO THE ****ING POINT! Every time we learn a little more about the Void, we just get answers in the form of more questions that only hint to more questions that only hint to something greater that only results in more questions. If these creatures are gonna invade Norrath and take over, then just get it over with so we actually have an aknowledgable threat to Norrath. They're moving at a snail's pace on this thing.</blockquote>Isn't that what has been happening with ALL the major story lines in the game?  We still don't know exactly what is up with Everling, or Lucan, or Mayong, or the Dragons, or pretty much anything else (major).  They all just have pieces added which always brings up more questions.  For those of us who enjoy the Void storyline (no, not every part of the story if for everyone), we've been given enough teasers at a good enough pace to keep our interest.  Since the Stone of the Shissar (or Chelsith) was found in Kunark and seems to have some connection to the Void with the Rune of Sunder, then maybe we'll learn a lot more when we're able to walk those lands again.  We've already been told that Trakanon has been studying this same symbol. Anyways, any more specific questions on the Void from the original poster?  There really are quite a few of us around here who enjoy this subject and would be more than willing to help fill in any puzzle pieces that we can.

[Cusashorn]

yeah but at least we learn enough to leave us satisfied long enough.

[soulpurge]

<cite>Mirander_1 wrote:</cite><blockquote>The whole parchment thing is an explanation of the divergent timelines of EQlive and EQ2, and why the lore between the two may not match up. The one the curled in on itself is the timeline of EQlive, where Druzzil Ro turned back time to prevent Zeb's escape. The one that just continued on is the timeline of EQ2, where Zeb managed to escape his prison (hence his presence in Fallen Dynasty) </blockquote><p>Ok, maybe im over thinking this... but what your saying is eq live and eq2 are connected yet separate realities of the same world? Maybe I said that wrong...</p><p>Eq2 is an alternate off shoot of eqlive solely based upon the condition of Zebuxoruk. ((whether he escapes or not))</p><p>Which I think that's what they planned for anyway... I remember reading at one point when the game was announced about how eqlive could affect eq2 and vise versa.</p><p>So anyway... now we are stuck with 2 realties in the same multi-verse like 2 dimensions running simultaneously side by side and because there is lore based upon the happenings of this listed in both dimensions, which would mean that both sides are aware of the others existence and know that through this void they are connected. </p><p>I mean... Norrathians kill gods or even the aspects of these gods in their own plainer realms... why wouldn't they be able to comprehend the lore for what it is...</p><p>A gateway between two dimensions of existence...</p><p> And knowing that we have access to this void dimension we should eventually be able to find a way to contact the other side, right?</p><p>That would be some crazy stuff.</p><p>But again... that's probably just me over thinking the topic.</p>

[Drager]

this is for cusa on the deity issue: lol the same as the jewish ,muslim ,christian god now i mean really where has he gone to (or she, or it, or what ever) thanks for the information and the site it is really helpful.. but do you known what... with the constant answers to questions that bring up more questions this is just like that show Lost........

[Drager]

i think the devs need to come up with more information on this or give us a little more about the void like what it looks like and what is there..... i mean the only info we have are on the creatures that pour out of it and a few tidbits here and their.... the lore is sort of neglected  for a major  part  of the norrath story line.... you can speculate alot with the info they give u but nothing seems to be definate one acount the shadow men seen to be people (i am refering to the village where the man saw that the peoples shadows were not connected with his body) and another the seen to be creatures from another plane this leads me to belive that not all shadow men are evil (considering the girl healed the man) but it seems that the ones we see (the ones searching for powerful objects) are lead by a monevolent force onow thinking of the village of people (these most likly were the true forms of shadow men they looking like us only different) i belive the insadent with the full moon was a sort of right of passage that all shadow men take here is the site if you didnt see it before <a href="http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=196" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.lorelibrary.com/?page=book&bid=196</a> this is the story of the man and the village of shadow men

[einar4]

<p> Well there is alot in the scrolls found in the Obelisk of Lost Souls and the Obelisk of Blight.  I always liked the concept of the invaders from the void, it has a very Lovecraftian type of feel to it ( a la the Fungi from Yuggoth, the Watchers out of Time, the Mountains of Madness ), and part of the entertainment is that not much is known.   The fact that whatever the void creatures are, they are so far removed from anything in our Universe, and their motives and basic essence of being is so completely alien to the races of Norrath, that there is no way of fully understanding what they are and what universe they come from.   Time travellers, visitors from another world where the "Void" is simply an interdimensional portal similar to the Ulteran portals, or another universe... </p><p> Sometimes the fun of speculative and fantasy fiction is that element of the "unknowable."  That seeing only a tiny part, like the reflection of something shown in a piece of a warped and shattered mirror, is what makes the background all the more compelling.  </p><p> In a good mystery novel, I want to see a resolution when my favorite fatty (Nero Wolfe) displays a cleverness and solves the crime.   In Fantasy and Sci Fi, that is not always the case for me. </p><p> PS another very impressive collection of ingame books and lore from EQ1 and EQ2.  It is sad that the person stopped keeping it up, but has kindly left the work in place for others to see: </p><p><a href="http://lorenorrath.free.fr/index.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"> History of Norrath</a></p>

[Drager]

hey thanks for the info and the site well you are right about the fact that the mystery is really a large part of this i am lening to 2 different theorys on the shadow one is that they are no tthe absolute evil we think of them as just a different race that does not understand us as we do not understand them....it seems to me like this is much like the U.S and the japanise were around WW2  the Japanise having known a life of solotuid could not understand why the US would have so many culutures intermingal with each other theory number 2 the void is as many of us look at it as hell it connects many different planes and is a godless place of pure magic...we know there to ba a supreme power there from some acounts of the shadow men if we look at the way shadow men act and some of the creatures that enter our world from the void this theory could be very plosible. first look at the nightbloods  if these dont remind u of demons nothing will the evil eyes and those demon girls(you know with the tails) these both came from the void the shadow men being able to "posses" other beings and thier continualy plight for power points to this theory

[Trepan]

Drager@Nektulos wrote: <blockquote>first look at the nightbloods  if these dont remind u of demons nothing will the evil eyes and those demon girls(you know with the tails) these both came <b>through </b>the void</blockquote> Fixed that for ya.

[Drager]

true you may have a point there but much of the lore points to them coming from the void itself or do you mean that the shadow men pulled them from other planes to the void and sent them to norath.....but still there are monsters in the void look at the void beast it is made of shadows and has VOID right in its name if the devs were pointing to the fact the the void is uninhabited then why would they put such a creature with such a name in the game oh ya and those devil girls are lamia. not much is known of the creatures from the void we do know the came shortly after teh shattering (u can read this in the LaL books) what we dont know is if they are a product of the void or are brought to it

[Siogai]

Are there ducks in the Void? This is actually a serious, and important, question.

[Drager]

i dont know.... no one knows what lives in the void other than the creatures we see coming out of it so i sapose there could be ducks