PVP vrs. FURY

[Darman81]

<p>Could someone give me some advice on how to beat a fury in solo pvp. I am a level 22 warden with 28 AAs. Last night I was attacked three different times by solo furys between the levels of 23 and 25. My warden is pretty twinked but I get hammered quickly by furys. Im not looking to win one of these battles but atleast put up a decent fight. The problem I have is I cant seem to heal fast enough to keep up with their burst damage from strike of thunder. Is there a secret to beating these guys or should I just deal with the fact that im gonna get owned by these people. By the way im not gonna sit here and say I know how to play my class well. Im new to pvp and furies just give me all sorts of problems. As of now I guess I just need to run away like a little girl or prepare to die quickly! Does it get better or is it tough against furies from T-3 to T-7.</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>A level 25 Fury is 3 levels higher than you.   A level 23...one level higher than you.   I wouldn't worry too much if you are dying to someone 3 levels higher, but you should be able to kill a level 23 Fury fairly handily.</p><p>I'd go back and respec to take your Wolf in Master 2, or find it on the broker in M1.   What kind of armor are you wearing?  And what AA's have you taken?  Also...their burst damage is on a VERY!!! long cooldown, so let 'em attack you and sit there healing yourself through it.   Once they have blown their timers on you...you are pretty much even, except you heal for a little more.</p><p>Don't waste time rooting them (or snaring..whichever you have at this level), unless they are going to run and you want to finish them off.  They can't cast moving either, so save your mana for healing.   Remember you are the Defensive Druid, and they are the Offensive Druid.   Be Defensive for the first few minutes of the fight.   They will run out of power before you do, then you can pwn their face.</p><p>Oh..put on a pot of coffee, because a fight between 2 healers will go a long time.  Try to finish them off in 10 mins (or so) so their big nuke timer doesn't refresh.  </p><p>If you are on Venekor and evil...PM me.</p>

[Darman81]

I am wearing mostly mastercrafted with adornments on all pieces , I went down the movement line and maxed it out. I took 5 points in the wolf mitigation buff and its an adept III , I am now working down the Wis tree on the druid tree. The furys that were giving me trouble had strike of thunder on a 10 sec timer so Im assuming they went down that line on the fury tree which would make it a 10 sec recast instead of a 15 sec recast. All of my resists are around 800. I have not tried to wait it out and just heal. I will try this tactic. All of my spells are adept IIIs, I have no masters. I believe my Master II choice for the wolf is at 24 so would this be the best choice or should I take the level 23 offensive spell since it would have more longevity. Anyway I am a sage so All my spells will be atleast adept III. Thanks for the advice!

[Skivley101]

<p>I would say boost your resists as much as possible for their type of damage ... also that serene symbol on the sta line(removes their beneficial spells) might help.  Time it so you can drop a hot they just started at the same time, and be prepared to exploit that moment.</p><p>Of course i havent played much pvp , just duels and arenas mostly, So i probably dont know what im talking about. <img src="/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>And ive always had trouble with furys my self.</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>You DO have to, at some point, Damage them..if you want to win the fight - this is true.   </p><p>My point is to remember you are at core set up to be Defensive - so play to your strengths.    Healing through a thunder strike will make them grind their teeth.  If you can see that they have it on a 10 second timer, plan ahead for the next one and get HoTs ticking on you so that if you direct heal TOO...you'll be good.  </p><p>I'd still go back, respec, and get Wolf in Master 2.   This is the only time and place (lvl 22, pvp) that I ever recommend that over a single target or group heal in M2.   Trust me - whatever spell you DID take in M2 is not doing you as much good as that one will - especially if you have it maxed in AA's and are in mastercrafted armor.   </p><p>Don't forget potions for power, health and healing too.   If they are going to be 3 levels higher than you and nuke the hell out of you all 'honorable' considerations just went out the window, IMO.    (of course you could also argue ..c'est la guerre...all's fair...)</p><p>GL with this.  Fighting any healer at all is kind of sucky -  they keep..well..HEALING!  ([I cannot control my vocabulary] them...)   All you have to do is heal 1 HP more than they did and you win.  (in theory.  Of course then you have to run like the wind to heal yourself before someone else jumps you...)</p><p>P.S.  My 2nd Warden is a level 70 Dreadnaught Freeportian on Venekor</p>

[Skivley101]

<p>Arie wrote:    P.S.  My 2nd Warden is a level 70 Dreadnaught Freeportian on Venekor</p><p>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~</p><p>What or who's you first warden?   since your listing them <img src="/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Arielle is.  When I moved to AB, I had to change her name cause Arielle was taken by a level 5 swashbuckler that hadn't been played in 3 months <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Ryala and Kyros are the only ones I know that have multiples of 10...Wardens.   I just have 2 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Skivley101]

Arielle Nightshade wrote: <blockquote><p>Arielle is.  When I moved to AB, I had to change her name cause Arielle was taken by a level 5 swashbuckler that hadn't been played in 3 months <img src="/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Ryala and Kyros are the only ones I know that have multiples of 10...Wardens.   I just have 2 <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p></blockquote> LoL <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I have 2 too ... but i made my first 3 times

[Fromingo]

<p>No one's really mentioned the fact that many people play Fury's to the mid-high 20's and then lock them there because they can get master 2 Strike of Thunder, twink up with gear and AA's and darn near 1 shot most any class that's lower than them.   So if that's what you experienced I would just be wary of Fury's, get your resist and HP's up and be prepared to heal fast.  Still that's not going to make them any les dangerous.  That lvl range is godly for fury's which is why many lock there.  </p><p>Personally I leveled up quickly so I was white or yellow to them and then began hunting them.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>That's a good point, Fromingo...</p><p>I am a huge advocate of leveling to 25 THEN level locking (if you are going to).  You have portals, M2 Wolf..the tier of Mastercrafted that starts at 22 - if you can be careful where you hunt, you can do pretty well for yourself, IMO.</p>

[Skivley101]

<p>Arie wrote : </p><p>If they are going to be 3 levels higher than you and nuke the hell out of you all 'honorable' considerations just went out the window, IMO.    (of course you could also argue ..c'est la guerre...all's fair...)</p><p>__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ ______________</p><p> All is definately fair ... research your opponent and find out their weaknesses</p>

[innervoid]

Honestly, not sure if there is a sound way for a level 22 warden to beat a lvl 23 or 25 fury. Their Strike of Thunder does mad damage and your healing spells take up a lot of power.And no offence about the person with the 70 warden on veneker, but this is Nag and it's T3 worlds of difference and I have probably done more pvp fights on my T3 warden then you ever have on your warden leveling in T3.In other words, the advices are good, but don't expect to win...you might be able to pull it off as a melee warden (use spells to trick them, they won't dot heal till they are about half health or so, then just throw all your CAs on them and hope you catch them off guard and get some lucky hits and kill them fast enough).P.S. I am a level 22 warden with 32 AAs

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>Oh sorry..that last post was kind of hard to read with that giant [Removed for Content] in the way.....You have absolutely zero idea how long I spent in T3 - on 2 Wardens, so not sure [Removed for Content] you are talking about.   Sounds like you are assuming I just leveled fast through it?  Then you thought wrong...on 2 healers.  70 PvP Dreadnaught Defiler and 70 Warden sat around T3 for quite awhile having a lot of fun killing folks - yellow, orange and red con ones, btw.  Green ones just aren't all that fun.</p><p>...and yeah, you CAN win.  Advice for pvp is generic, since everyone plays differently.    My numbers of kills don't matter to me as much as the quality of them.  Do you have a billion green kills?  /clap, awesome.    Not saying I never killed a green guy, of course I have - but the really fun fights were yellow or warmer.</p><p>Done with this thread. /wave.</p>

[frostbane]

<cite>innervoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly, not sure if there is a sound way for a level 22 warden to beat a lvl 23 or 25 fury. Their Strike of Thunder does mad damage and your healing spells take up a lot of power.And no offence about the person with the 70 warden on veneker, but this is Nag and it's T3 worlds of difference and I have probably done more pvp fights on my T3 warden then you ever have on your warden leveling in T3.In other words, the advices are good, but don't expect to win...you might be able to pull it off as a melee warden (use spells to trick them, they won't dot heal till they are about half health or so, then just throw all your CAs on them and hope you catch them off guard and get some lucky hits and kill them fast enough).P.S. I am a level 22 warden with 32 AAs</blockquote><p>wow, this was cold!  Especially considering arie is about the friendliest most helpful warden on the boards especially when it comes to PvP!</p>

[Skivley101]

<p>Yes innervoid is right ..... Under no circumstances should anyone try something that would remotely get them killed especially in pvp. You should stick to what you know will work everytime , Like killing those newbie green cons right outside the gate of their home town ... Mabey camp the spawn point, & stalk them till their immunity timer runs out. For more Ideas check the safety manual , Look under Blase.</p><p>Sorry Innervoid , couldnt resist. Now youve met the not so nice side of the warden forums.</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>I guess I'm not done....</p><p>Skively:  BAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!   </p>

[Chuluinn]

Well Skivley, no where in Innervoid's post did I read that you should not try everything to win, just that your chances of doing so were slim (something I would agree with, by the way).   With regards to Arielle, her personal insult to Innervoid whose post was a reasonable one with no personal insults, speaks volumes.  

[Fromingo]

<cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Oh sorry..that last post was kind of hard to read with that giant [Removed for Content] in the way.....</p></blockquote>BWAAHAHAA  I was eating chili when I read this,  I laughed so hard it went through my nose,  now I don't know whether to laugh or cry so I will just do both at once!   <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><cite>Chuluinn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well Skivley, no where in Innervoid's post did I read that you should not try everything to win, just that your chances of doing so were slim (something I would agree with, by the way).   With regards to Arielle, her personal insult to Innervoid whose post was a reasonable one with no personal insults, speaks volumes.   </blockquote>Sorry Chu but he asked for that.   I could read that smug elitest attitude he was taking with her a mile off.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />still crylaughing!  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[innervoid]

Hey I don't mind people talking whatever they want about me, or the "not so nice side of the warden boards." I didn't come or post here to make friends, just tell the facts. Good luck beating a well geared Fury who at level 23 or 25 while you are at level 22 as a warden. I think my post was probably the most probable on how to win. At least I GAVE a plausible way, not a dream situation.I am not trying to sound like a jerk, but here is what will most likely happen:fury strike of thunder for 600-800 hpwarden does a big heal, and dot healsfury puts all his dots on wardenwarden perhaps will now attack or try to take off the dotsetc, etc...fury will recast of strike of thunder. gg for the wardenAt least with my idea of the melee warden he has a chance to do a big burst of dps that might take the fury off guard if the fury lets himself get a bit low because he/she expects some more [Removed for Content] nukes from the warden that does between 120-160 dmg in 2 second casts (no noes!!).Hmm...and why does everyone assume I kill only green and blue cons? Trying to belittle me? Yet at first you criticize me for doing it, then you do it? But yes I do know what I can and can not kill or what kind of fight I can expect...that's called playing/fighting smart. I have been stupid many times, and have died many times (as well as gotten lucky).And yes, that person might be the nicest person on the warden boards or whatever you said, but his idea wasn't good/original (his advice in a nut shell: "yeah umm...heal when he nukes you" ) and I am not afraid to say it.

[xandez]

<cite>innervoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>P.S. I am a level 22 warden with 32 AAs</blockquote>you need more AA:s <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />++Xan

[Darman81]

Well I actually tried to outheal the damage of strike of thunder and It worked out well on my 28 warden. This is the one thats not locked. I was fighting a even conned fury and a blue conned shadownight simultaneously and was able to out heal both freeps damage. HT was not up for the shadow knight. The fury never critically hit me with strike of thunder and ran out of power. That being said I also ran out of power and also had to use the emergency heal. Long story short I did lose but I am confident now in higher levels of t3 i can hold my own against even conned solo furies. I actually had to spam not only solo heals but group heals which ate up my mana. It was just nice to see that I put up a decent battle!

[Skivley101]

<p>Innervoid wrote : Hmm...and why does everyone assume I kill only green and blue cons? Trying to belittle me? Yet at first you criticize me for doing it, then you do it? But yes I do know what I can and can not kill or what kind of fight I can expect...that's called playing/fighting smart. I have been stupid many times, and have died many times (as well as gotten lucky).~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</p><p>Well i was definately exaturating with skewed sarcasm .... but i did say sorry in that post.</p><p>I will say your right about T3 & T7 being totally different ...  but dont see how the other advices were a total dream situation.</p><p>However everybodys entitled to their own oppinion. And I think when someone asks for advice here , The more oppinions the better. </p>

[Soulshark]

Hey, another good piece of advice:  Laugh at them now, because at the later levels when you get your heat/cold damage shield, become much more power effecient than they are, and have wolves to do your dirty work for you, you will eat them up.  I have a 70 warden that I would gladly pit against any Fury.  I have rather good gear, but far from the best.  I have NEVER (and yes, never is a strong word considering I've had so many battles against them) lost to a fury one on one.  They are about as much of a joke as a Wizard is to us, except more so since they can't hide behind mana shield for 30 seconds <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[fxt]

<cite>innervoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly, not sure if there is a sound way for a level 22 warden to beat a lvl 23 or 25 fury. Their Strike of Thunder does mad damage and your healing spells take up a lot of power.And no offence about the person with the 70 warden on veneker, but this is Nag and it's T3 worlds of difference and I have probably done more pvp fights on my T3 warden then you ever have on your warden leveling in T3.In other words, the advices are good, but don't expect to win...you might be able to pull it off as a melee warden (use spells to trick them, they won't dot heal till they are about half health or so, then just throw all your CAs on them and hope you catch them off guard and get some lucky hits and kill them fast enough).P.S. I am a level 22 warden with 32 AAs</blockquote> A level 22 telling a 70 how they "roll".  Do me a favor and press K for me....wow look at how empty that spellbook is....thats about how much your opinion means here so please think before you post.

[Skivley101]

<cite>Kyen@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>innervoid wrote:</cite><blockquote>Honestly, not sure if there is a sound way for a level 22 warden to beat a lvl 23 or 25 fury. Their Strike of Thunder does mad damage and your healing spells take up a lot of power.And no offence about the person with the 70 warden on veneker, but this is Nag and it's T3 worlds of difference and I have probably done more pvp fights on my T3 warden then you ever have on your warden leveling in T3.In other words, the advices are good, but don't expect to win...you might be able to pull it off as a melee warden (use spells to trick them, they won't dot heal till they are about half health or so, then just throw all your CAs on them and hope you catch them off guard and get some lucky hits and kill them fast enough).P.S. I am a level 22 warden with 32 AAs</blockquote> A level 22 telling a 70 how they "roll".  Do me a favor and press K for me....wow look at how empty that spellbook is....thats about how much your opinion means here so please think before you post.</blockquote>Hey now <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> ... that was kinda cold ... everybody who pays their scrip fee has a right to an oppinion ....lol thats what SOE says