2H bad for SK, or just bad in general?

[-ShadoW-]

I've been wondering this for almost a year now. Every time I roll a class that uses a 2H I always have a 1H + shield and a 2H in my inventory. When I use the 1H + shield I feel like a god compared to the 2H. With the delay, there is almost no visual difference in damage. Yet I get way more mit and avoidance(not to mention the extra stats on the shield). People tell me they're great for solo conned mobs...Well while your killing 1 mob at a time with your 2H, I can take around 10 at once with my shield. Are 2H completely useless? I hear people saying " Oh, I only use a 2H when I'm in a group and not tanking". I personally don't. I always have my 1H + shield out in a group just incase the MT falls and I have to pick up aggro from a hard encounter. I've also noticed this while inspecting other classes. I see that the only people that even equip 2H are the ones that have the really nice looking fabled ones(just to show off) or a new person just entering the game. I mean sure I also see people in groups using them, but I generally think that person doesn't now what they're doing since if you're tanking with a 2H, you need to reroll.

[Norrsken]

<cite>-ShadoW- wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've been wondering this for almost a year now. Every time I roll a class that uses a 2H I always have a 1H + shield and a 2H in my inventory. When I use the 1H + shield I feel like a god compared to the 2H. With the delay, there is almost no visual difference in damage. Yet I get way more mit and avoidance(not to mention the extra stats on the shield). People tell me they're great for solo conned mobs...Well while your killing 1 mob at a time with your 2H, I can take around 10 at once with my shield. Are 2H completely useless? I hear people saying " Oh, I only use a 2H when I'm in a group and not tanking". I personally don't. I always have my 1H + shield out in a group just incase the MT falls and I have to pick up aggro from a hard encounter. I've also noticed this while inspecting other classes. I see that the only people that even equip 2H are the ones that have the really nice looking fabled ones(just to show off) or a new person just entering the game. I mean sure I also see people in groups using them, but I generally think that person doesn't now what they're doing since if you're tanking with a 2H, you need to reroll. </blockquote>eh. IF its heroic content, go with what looks good, unless its the hardest stuff in game. Imean, if you run about in all mastercrafted, pre 70, with a weapon of your choice, most heroic stuff in the game are gonna be really easy to tank. The shield doesnt make a huge difference, and at 70, most people have some legendary bits and pieces, making for the same deal. Unless you are tanking the hard zones, its not gonna matter much, or unless you are in the habit of pulling multiple heroics at the same time.

[Antryg Mistrose]

2 handed for a crusader = say goodbye to a good taunt, as well as avoidance.  So it won't make you popular as a tank. It is hard to find a nice slow delay 1-hander though, with a large crit range.  That is normally why a 2 hander is better damage wise when DPSing. Macro's to swap between 1 hander + shield and 1 hander + symbol or whatever are easier (as only 1 step due to equiping beign slowed down in combat) than between a 2 hander.

[Beldin_]

I seldom use 2h anymore. In groups my autoattack-damage is normally 9-10% and with a 2h maybe 11-12%. I personally don't see that as enough to loose the avoidance of the shield.

[Krugus]

The key is knowing when to use a Two Hander over 1H & Shield. If my group is doing content we have yet to experience or hard content then yes I'll use 1H & Shield. If my group is doing content thats easy for us IE we are steamrolling over everything then I'll use my 2hander to make things die faster. If I'm not the main tank (haha yea thats funny) then I'll get to pull out my 2hander and make things die faster. While soloing, it just depends on my mood.   My guildmates call me a walking armory.  I have at least a dozen weapons on me.  From swords to hammers to long pointy things to staves even.  More often than not, I'll use one of my two handed weapons while I'm soloing. As far as the "tanking with a two handed weapon = need to reroll" er no.   Again it depends on the content and group make up and your gear level.  Your not suggesting that an Uber geared raider should reroll because they are tanking single group content with a two handed weapon are you?  (no I'm not an uber geared raider.  haha far from it)  No didn't think so :p <a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=LTg0MDQ0OTYwOA==" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a> <a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=LTg0MDQ0OTYwOA==" target="_blank" rel="nofollow"></a>

[Amonrax]

<p><span style="color: #33cc00">Alright this is a rally hard post to reply to but long story short No 2h are not useless and they are extreamly good to SK's you just need to know how to use them and it takes ALOT more to effectivly use them then it does to use a sword and shield but they payoff when you get to that point is Amazeing my self i use 2HS  constantly seeing as how my SK was built around useing them i basicly use it unless i have to swap to a shield due to bad healers or extreamly hard zones </span></p><p><span style="color: #33cc00">what makes Crusaders extreamly good with 2h is the fact that with our str line and a common haste item we can sit at 43% perm haste and spike up to 73% hast so bye bye long delay issue </span></p><p><span style="color: #33cc00">and then add our trample aa and 2H far outshines 1h and shield</span></p>

[Xaxtionlorex]

about stacking hate, haste is bad as an sk, every amout of haste is an auto attack wasted or messed up, when it comes to 2 handers take the longest delay with highest spread, its not about the amount of swings you do,its about what they do. I keep a t5 pressured around for one reason, i regularly crit for 4,900+ with it on raids and buffed it gets to around 4 sec delay. its about the dps mods you want.

[nihilux]

I am a fan of 2handed swords. which is usually what i have used off & up to lvl 70. Now what i can tell you is that if you enjoy using a 2handed you will work your way to a point that you can be effective with them. At lvl 70 with a 2hander i can tank mobs for my girl when i am helping her lvl. Or when i am roaming solo rather it be doing writes in Bonemire etc. To be honest you're only as effective as long you are seriously enjoying the items you use. Trying to factor in game mechanics is wise, but thinking about it to much will leave you seriously thinking you suck all the time. Or that you're constantly at a disadvantage. So i say if SK's & 2handers didn't work well with one another then the ShadowKnight class would be restricted to using shields and 1handers only.

[Wildmage]

<cite>nihilux wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am a fan of 2handed swords. which is usually what i have used off & up to lvl 70. Now what i can tell you is that if you enjoy using a<u><b> 5 handed</b></u> you will work your way to a point that you can be effective with them. At lvl 70 with a 2hander i can tank mobs for my girl when i am helping her lvl. Or when i am roaming solo rather it be doing writes in Bonemire etc. To be honest you're only as effective as long you are seriously enjoying the items you use. Trying to factor in game mechanics is wise, but thinking about it to much will leave you seriously thinking you suck all the time. Or that you're constantly at a disadvantage. So i say if SK's & 2handers didn't work well with one another then the ShadowKnight class would be restricted to using shields and 1handers only. </blockquote>Duude what drops the 5 handed weapon and how do you use it is it harder to wield than the mythical Sword-chucks?

[nihilux]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>nihilux wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am a fan of 2handed swords. which is usually what i have used off & up to lvl 70. Now what i can tell you is that if you enjoy using a<u><b> 5 handed</b></u> you will work your way to a point that you can be effective with them. At lvl 70 with a 2hander i can tank mobs for my girl when i am helping her lvl. Or when i am roaming solo rather it be doing writes in Bonemire etc. To be honest you're only as effective as long you are seriously enjoying the items you use. Trying to factor in game mechanics is wise, but thinking about it to much will leave you seriously thinking you suck all the time. Or that you're constantly at a disadvantage. So i say if SK's & 2handers didn't work well with one another then the ShadowKnight class would be restricted to using shields and 1handers only. </blockquote>Duude what drops the 5 handed weapon and how do you use it is it harder to wield than the mythical Sword-chucks? </blockquote>You mean to tell me your toon doesn't have 5 arms? Boy did you get the shaft... Typos FTW.

[Wildmage]

<cite>nihilux wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>nihilux wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am a fan of 2handed swords. which is usually what i have used off & up to lvl 70. Now what i can tell you is that if you enjoy using a<u><b> 5 handed</b></u> you will work your way to a point that you can be effective with them. At lvl 70 with a 2hander i can tank mobs for my girl when i am helping her lvl. Or when i am roaming solo rather it be doing writes in Bonemire etc. To be honest you're only as effective as long you are seriously enjoying the items you use. Trying to factor in game mechanics is wise, but thinking about it to much will leave you seriously thinking you suck all the time. Or that you're constantly at a disadvantage. So i say if SK's & 2handers didn't work well with one another then the ShadowKnight class would be restricted to using shields and 1handers only. </blockquote>Duude what drops the 5 handed weapon and how do you use it is it harder to wield than the mythical Sword-chucks? </blockquote>You mean to tell me your toon doesn't have 5 arms? Boy did you get the shaft... Typos FTW. </blockquote>well he's an Iksar so he's got 2 arms 2 feet and a tail but I don't think the tail is prehensile.

[Wilde_Night]

Plus, nothing is sexier than a female shadowknight in full plate wielding a two-handed weapon.  Rawr.

[ratdeath]

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