how about boats in next expansion

[Thumatos]

<p>already the basic stuff is in there with the big boat.  I would love to see player driven and mabey crafted boats. Thats one of the few things vanguard has that really tempts me.   Heck with the shattering,  you could even make a zone full of small islands only accessable by boats or flying mounts.  </p>

[Salox]

Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[Removed for Content] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed.

[Wildmage]

Salox@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[I cannot control my vocabulary] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed. </blockquote>I remember a few of the pilotable boats in EQ1 utterly useless really can't zone in a boat heck in eq1 you cant even zone by swimming it doth stink.

[ke'la]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Salox@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[I cannot control my vocabulary] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed. </blockquote>I remember a few of the pilotable boats in EQ1 utterly useless really can't zone in a boat heck in eq1 you cant even zone by swimming it doth stink. </blockquote><p> First to Wildmage, zoning works differantly in EQ2, and for one I know you can zone via Swiming, as you can do it to get from SS to PoF. Secondly, with the invisable zone lines(used both in DoF and EoF) and now zone blending its totally probible to zone this way.</p><p>Second to Salox, Just because Sigel had about 100 ideas and the time and money to impliment only about 5 of them does not make those Ideas bad, it just means that maybe some of them should have been added latter. The problem with Vanguard is not Bad Ideas, infact if you talk to anyone who has accually played or reviewed the game they all say that it has alot of great ideas if only they accualy had the time to accually impelment them in a working fashon. </p><p>That said, I don't think Flying Mounts will ever happen in EQ2 as the game zones currently are not designed for them, and unlike other game companies SoE does not like to give iteams perminantly to players that they can only use in one zone or area. On the other hand, I think SoE would have no problem adding a full expaintion(it would have to be an entire expaintion or atleast the vast majority of it) that was Notical based, meaning giving us our own boats and stuff, heck technicly they have already done it once(SWG:JTL). Consitering the amount of water out there and the available lore behind alot of it, I would not be suprised if they desided to do this one day. I mean they can only bring back so many contenints from EQL. Heck I think after Kunark there really is only one major one left. Besides adding a Notical expaintion would allow us to rediscover some of the smaller remains of the Shaddered Lands that are too small for an expaintion(based on the new direction they are taking) by themselfs. J</p>

[Uumuuanu]

<p>Honestly, NO.</p><p>No more boats.  The boats they put in for EoF are annoying at best.   No one likes to wait 5 minutes for a boat, then have to ride the stupid thing all over the zone just to get where you are going.   Replace all boats with BELLS just like the original had or better yet, free transporters like the ones at the Neriak dock.</p>

[Leatherneck]

<cite>Uumuuanu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Honestly, NO.</p><p>No more boats.  The boats they put in for EoF are annoying at best.   No one likes to wait 5 minutes for a boat, then have to ride the stupid thing all over the zone just to get where you are going.   Replace all boats with BELLS just like the original had or better yet, free transporters like the ones at the Neriak dock.</p></blockquote> I agree with your sentiment, but that's exactly not what the OP was about.

[Drager]

flying mounts awesome(ever going to happen NO) Boats awesome this is probable almost all transport in EQ2 is by boat or by portal so a boat exspansion would add many new things to EQ2. one the ability to sail norath, discover new areas how about you get a reward for discoverign a new land on your server, racing if your going to have boats your going to have to let us race <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, more weather i mean really where is the danger in sailing through a calm ocean? ocean battles (enough said), epic water nameds and bording enemy ships

[Josgar]

<cite>Uumuuanu wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Honestly, NO.</p><p>No more boats.  The boats they put in for EoF are annoying at best.   No one likes to wait 5 minutes for a boat, then have to ride the stupid thing all over the zone just to get where you are going.   Replace all boats with BELLS just like the original had or better yet, free transporters like the ones at the Neriak dock.</p></blockquote> My name must be no one then... I like boats!

[Drager]

how about 5 mins for a spire what are you talking about boats

[roces9]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>I remember a few of the pilotable boats in EQ1 utterly useless really can't zone in a boat heck in eq1 you cant even zone by swimming it doth stink. </blockquote> heh the boat in Ocean of Tears? That thing was awesome. That *zone* was awesome.

[IanInSac]

<cite>Thumatos wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>already the basic stuff is in there with the big boat.  I would love to see player driven and mabey crafted boats. Thats one of the few things vanguard has that really tempts me.   Heck with the shattering,  you could even make a zone full of small islands only accessable by boats or flying mounts.  </p></blockquote>That or SOE could spend time on stuff that matters.

[Drager]

dude you know thats not going to happen...........

[knightdant]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Salox@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[I cannot control my vocabulary] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed. </blockquote>I remember a few of the pilotable boats in EQ1 utterly useless really can't zone in a boat heck in eq1 you cant even zone by swimming it doth stink. </blockquote>There were never any "pilotable" boats in Everquest 1. At least that was the case up until Everquest 2 came out. Yes you could zone in Ocean areas in EQ1. High enough characters could even swim across the Sea of Tears.

[Leatherneck]

<cite>knightdantes wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Salox@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[I cannot control my vocabulary] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed. </blockquote>I remember a few of the pilotable boats in EQ1 utterly useless really can't zone in a boat heck in eq1 you cant even zone by swimming it doth stink. </blockquote><b>There were never any "pilotable" boats in Everquest 1.</b> At least that was the case up until Everquest 2 came out. Yes you could zone in Ocean areas in EQ1. High enough characters could even swim across the Sea of Tears. </blockquote> Yes there were.

[Trepan]

There were little canoes/rowboats - for example one in Toxxulia forest in the water by the docks/campsite you could climb in and  take towards the Kerra Isle.   Most ponds/lakes had a boat lying around somewhere. Moved like a biscuit in cold gravy, but you could steer them once you sat down.   Worthless, pointless, and sometimes fun for goofing off with. Being unable to zone in the water in EQ1 was because the zoneline "curtain" was 5" above the water.  Hard to reach swimming.  8-)

[varilite]

I like the idea of player driven boats, would fit the paradigm in my opinion. Cripes, theres a ship building yard in QH, ports all over the place, pirate ship parked off the ruins, and all the ship wrecks everwhere. It's like a part of Norrath we are just suppose to accept and relate to it as happening off screen. Personal, I like something to add immersion. If it is done as an expansion, don't see as to why it would be a bad thing.

[Atmosphear1993]

If its done right, it might be just as rewarding as normal adventuring...Who says player driven boats have to be made just for transportation? 

[gi]

Salox@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Sorry, but I have to disagree with you here. Anything coming from VG is a bad idea, to begin with. The time and effort would be best spent elsewhere, and overall, I don't want to deal with pirate-[I cannot control my vocabulary] and lag. Not to mention what you're saying sounds like a whole new AP. Flying mounts? No thanks. Plus, I think I heard that you could exploit the zone geometry and zone without using bells, tickets, or boats by using a flying mount, if such a thing were to be constructed. </blockquote> I Hope the Devs don't have this narrow minded vision.  Imagination and growth are the things that will keep this game going . I personally think that if they implement players boats it would have to be in a special zone. I would suggest the Oceans of Tears. Allow a player to spawn there crafted boat and then pilot it. It would be just like a horse. Except other players could jump on the boat and be transported. Players could then explore the Ocean of Tears many island and secrets and Shipwrecks. I think with some imagination and thought it would be a great place to adventure..