ZOMG wizard nerf

[songsta]

Ok i know this is coming from a ranger but all bias aside. I have been beaten by wizard after wizard after wizard. The ridiculousness of wizard's ability to pvp is insane! So i start with my stealthy fire m2..usually takes em to yellow, if im lucky orange. I manage to get off maybe my snaring shot or debuff before. SHOOP Mana shield. I desperatly attempt to burn through it but miserably fail after getting nuked by ice comet for an astounding 3K!!!. I am not dead yet stilllll tryin to burn. BOOM ball of incineration for 1500. I'm dead. I have tried the other approach of when they pop mana shield to back out for 30 seconds...doesnt work...they easily see me and ice comet me followed by-DUN DUN DUN, ball of inceration. I have also tried pumice stones. but i have used it on many fights and rarely does it dispel manashielf. I am looking for either some constructive tactics, or some people to agree with me... Tone down the nukes. and 2 points of mana for every 3 points of damage!?!?!?!?! So if i hit em for 1500 they take 1000 to their mana...Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me. So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[

[Sildeven]

My answer is deal with it!  Get better resists. I have a 60 ranger and I remember back when smoking wizards and warlocks like nothing.  There spells werent even touching me. I resisted everything from them. Now its a different story.  If I remember correctly rangers have poisons that decrease power.  There are alot of ways to kill wizards, you might be fighting some really good ones with high aas.  If thats the case you may want to bring back up as your days of solo ganking clothes has come to an end. lol

[Toej]

<p>Cry me a river....</p>

[alan0n]

Warhawk@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me. So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[ </blockquote> A ranger wrote this, I may use that for a signature.

[songsta]

rofl i know im just sayin SOE goes from giving rangers the ability to two shot wizards to giving the ability to two shot the ranger. Complete oposite extremes

[Dh]

Warhawk@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ok i know this is coming from a ranger but all bias aside. I have been beaten by wizard after wizard after wizard. The ridiculousness of wizard's ability to pvp is insane! So i start with my stealthy fire m2..usually takes em to yellow, if im lucky orange. I manage to get off maybe my snaring shot or debuff before. SHOOP Mana shield. I desperatly attempt to burn through it but miserably fail after getting nuked by ice comet for an astounding 3K!!!. I am not dead yet stilllll tryin to burn. BOOM ball of incineration for 1500. I'm dead. I have tried the other approach of when they pop mana shield to back out for 30 seconds...doesnt work...they easily see me and ice comet me followed by-DUN DUN DUN, ball of inceration. I have also tried pumice stones. but i have used it on many fights and rarely does it dispel manashielf. I am looking for either some constructive tactics, or some people to agree with me... Tone down the nukes. and 2 points of mana for every 3 points of damage!?!?!?!?! So if i hit em for 1500 they take 1000 to their mana...Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me.<span style="font-size: small"><span style="color: #0066ff"> So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[ </span></span></blockquote> Take your fancy pants tracking box and run the other way

[songsta]

If i ran away from a wizard fight two things would happen. 1. I'd get harassed for running from a wizard 2. I would lose out on about 15% of the fights i have been encountering.../shrug

[Elephanton]

<cite>Sildeven wrote:</cite><blockquote>My answer is deal with it!  Get better resists. </blockquote><p>Well resists mean exactly nothing in PVP since EOF revamp, they provide almost no spell damage mitigation. They used to help with outright resists but not after GU36.</p><p>I am also ranger and as a ranger I am not gonna ask to nerf sorcerors, to me they are fine. I can deal with manashield.</p><p>Every other class I play is desperately crying for wizards nerf though... I cannot do anything against them...</p>

[Tatate]

Warhawk@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ok i know this is coming from a ranger but all bias aside. I have been beaten by wizard after wizard after wizard. The ridiculousness of wizard's ability to pvp is insane! So i start with my stealthy fire m2..usually takes em to yellow, if im lucky orange. I manage to get off maybe my snaring shot or debuff before. SHOOP Mana shield. I desperatly attempt to burn through it but miserably fail after getting nuked by ice comet for an astounding 3K!!!. I am not dead yet stilllll tryin to burn. BOOM ball of incineration for 1500. I'm dead. I have tried the other approach of when they pop mana shield to back out for 30 seconds...doesnt work...they easily see me and ice comet me followed by-DUN DUN DUN, ball of inceration. I have also tried pumice stones. but i have used it on many fights and rarely does it dispel manashielf. I am looking for either some constructive tactics, or some people to agree with me... Tone down the nukes. and 2 points of mana for every 3 points of damage!?!?!?!?! So if i hit em for 1500 they take 1000 to their mana...Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me. So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[ </blockquote> The tables have turned eh? Now you wonder why people where crying for Ranger nerf eh?

[Muca]

i need like 20-40 dmg spells to beat a wizard, so learn to play ur class. ranger can be a pvp machine. get 70, get a nice bow and hf to kill groups.

[Mildavyn]

Muca... what's the duration on our Mez? What's the duration on Manasheild? Exactly <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[xfbishop]

trying to burn through manashield could quite possibly be the funniest thing ive heard today..

[syous01]

Pumice stone?

[Toravisu]

Blah, blah, blah, I can nearly two shot a Wizard, but when they two shot me, no fair!

[Bawang]

<p>I have to thank the OP for making me laugh so hard <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>My main on PvP is a Wiz and after all the crap I've had to put up with when fighting rangers I must say it makes me happy that at least ONE clueless ranger thinks we're overpowered.   Thx..you made my day.</p>

[PsycoSWG]

<p>How can you NOT burn through manashield with a ranger?????</p><p>Your auto-attacks will drain 600-800 power a pop, your AUTO ATTACK. Specials should make that [Removed for Content] easy.</p>

[Norrsken]

I've been waiting for this post. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Splintered]

if 4500 damage is killing your 70 ranger, then by god, get better gear!!

[Pumancat]

<p> OMG! a mage has some defence!</p><p>I qiut! Please help! WWHHHAAAAA.</p><p> ok, so now you rangers have to actually " work " for your kills. Do you realize you're STILL the easiest mode class on game? While you can take yourselves out of combat at any time and other [Removed for Content] player tactics, our wizard defences automatically put us into combat. I cast on you, you evac, you shoot me I'm engaged.</p><p>There are some very viable ways to defeat wizards with MS, but you so used to insta-death macro's, and all the other advantages rangers have, that you never had to take the time to L2P.</p><p>Wait till you have to stand still and constant interrupted and stunned while taking dmg. Or go OOP while a swashy tears through you like a hot knife through butter. Then look back over the threads from the past year or longer and maybe, you get the idea of what the heck we've been going through since the start.</p><p>Cry me a river, L2P, learn to group, and all the other BS expressions that have been said to me and all the other mages for 1.5 years. I'll add another for you rangers, since you can only attack me when I'm engaged with mobs now. Kiss My A**!</p><p>Nyarlath - 70 wizard</p><p>Venekor server</p>

[Cyst]

You have to use these things called tictacs now on Wizards and Warlocks. You CAN NOT kill them straight up now if they're paying attention.

[Christopherleero]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>You have to use these things called tictacs now on Wizards and Warlocks. You CAN NOT kill them straight up now if they're paying attention.</blockquote><p> isnt a tictac a mint sweety?</p><p>im sure uv used a tictac on a wizzy before.... </p>

[yellowbelly08]

lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.

[Darkor]

<p>Dude you play the most overpowered class in game, you must be doing something wrong.</p><p>Have you not seen this movie yet? </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=374963" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=374963</a></p><p> Please watch the last kill (no, i wont call it a fight, it was an pure overkill). You will see this guy, kill a lvl 70 medium raid equipped lvl 70 wizard in basically a quarter of a second. No, not a full second, not a half second, its more like 0.25 seconds.</p><p>You know, saying that rangers are overpowered didnt help. Posting logs of totally overkills didnt help (They accused you of laging and doctoring!) and even people coming here that witnessed it, noone believed. Everyone was crying for an FRAPS and here we finally go. A Ranger, WHILE jumping in the air, killing a lvl 70 player in less than a half second. Grats for the balancing sony, is it true that a lead designer of everquest 2 plays a Ranger? go figure.</p>

[yellowbelly08]

<p>You have an unfounded vendetta against rangers..ill forgive you tho. Play one...you will see they are not easy mode. They got nerfed big style and yes i agree they needed it. But now the op has a valid point v mages i have real trouble killing some bots now-and before you say it ya i do know how to play being the leading q toon tbh.</p><p>Galoro</p>

[Darkor]

<cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You have an unfounded vendetta against rangers..ill forgive you tho. Play one...you will see they are not easy mode. They got nerfed big style and yes i agree they needed it. But now the op has a valid point v mages i have real trouble killing some bots now-and before you say it ya i do know how to play being the leading q toon tbh.</p><p>Galoro</p></blockquote> Dude, he killed a lvl 70 medium raid geared wizard with only using 1 combat art. And that was not even a combat art that does damage. A bell should ring in your head now.

[yellowbelly08]

<p>He cant have been very well geared then. Our sniper shot is nerfed very badly plus an auto attack for maybe 1k <assuming vid is after nerf> and the wiz dies before he can pop manashield. This will rarely happen tbh sure it may on a few unlucky occaisions.</p><p>Galoro</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dude you play the most overpowered class in game, you must be doing something wrong.</p><p>Have you not seen this movie yet? </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=374963" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=374963</a></p><p> Please watch the last kill (no, i wont call it a fight, it was an pure overkill). You will see this guy, kill a lvl 70 medium raid equipped lvl 70 wizard in basically a quarter of a second. No, not a full second, not a half second, its more like 0.25 seconds.</p><p>You know, saying that rangers are overpowered didnt help. Posting logs of totally overkills didnt help (They accused you of laging and doctoring!) and even people coming here that witnessed it, noone believed. Everyone was crying for an FRAPS and here we finally go. A Ranger, WHILE jumping in the air, killing a lvl 70 player in less than a half second. Grats for the balancing sony, is it true that a lead designer of everquest 2 plays a Ranger? go figure.</p></blockquote>I'd love for you to actually start tying your posts about rangers into the actual threads you post them in. This thread might actually have a connection there, but you failed to point it out. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Killque]

<p>Problem with running from a wizard (or any long range caster) is all they need to do is start the cast and it hits within x2 the distance of the spell. Impossible to outrun that.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Problem with running from a wizard (or any long range caster) is all they need to do is start the cast and it hits within x2 the distance of the spell. Impossible to outrun that.</p></blockquote>No, they dont need to start it at 2x the max range, but you have to make it out of that range before it finishes. Quite impossible in most instances though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Eybietie]

Warhawk@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ok i know this is coming from a ranger but all bias aside. I have been beaten by wizard after wizard after wizard. The ridiculousness of wizard's ability to pvp is insane! So i start with my stealthy fire m2..usually takes em to yellow, if im lucky orange. I manage to get off maybe my snaring shot or debuff before. SHOOP Mana shield. I desperatly attempt to burn through it but miserably fail after getting nuked by ice comet for an astounding 3K!!!. I am not dead yet stilllll tryin to burn. BOOM ball of incineration for 1500. I'm dead. I have tried the other approach of when they pop mana shield to back out for 30 seconds...doesnt work...they easily see me and ice comet me followed by-DUN DUN DUN, ball of inceration. I have also tried pumice stones. but i have used it on many fights and rarely does it dispel manashielf. I am looking for either some constructive tactics, or some people to agree with me... Tone down the nukes. and 2 points of mana for every 3 points of damage!?!?!?!?! So if i hit em for 1500 they take 1000 to their mana...Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me. So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[ </blockquote>^^ now it´s payback time ranger btch!

[Darkor]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dude you play the most overpowered class in game, you must be doing something wrong.</p><p>Have you not seen this movie yet? </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=374963" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=374963</a></p><p> Please watch the last kill (no, i wont call it a fight, it was an pure overkill). You will see this guy, kill a lvl 70 medium raid equipped lvl 70 wizard in basically a quarter of a second. No, not a full second, not a half second, its more like 0.25 seconds.</p><p>You know, saying that rangers are overpowered didnt help. Posting logs of totally overkills didnt help (They accused you of laging and doctoring!) and even people coming here that witnessed it, noone believed. Everyone was crying for an FRAPS and here we finally go. A Ranger, WHILE jumping in the air, killing a lvl 70 player in less than a half second. Grats for the balancing sony, is it true that a lead designer of everquest 2 plays a Ranger? go figure.</p></blockquote>I'd love for you to actually start tying your posts about rangers into the actual threads you post them in. This thread might actually have a connection there, but you failed to point it out. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> This thread is about a ranger having problems killing wizards. I showed him not only a video that shows what a ranger is capable of, i also showed him a video where a ranger kills a wizard in less than a second. I see alot of connections. Maybe its just you who failed to see the point. </p><p>To the guy who said how badly snipershot was nerfed, this guy didnt even use a dmg combat art to kill a lvl 70.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dude you play the most overpowered class in game, you must be doing something wrong.</p><p>Have you not seen this movie yet? </p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?&topic_id=374963" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=374963</a></p><p> Please watch the last kill (no, i wont call it a fight, it was an pure overkill). You will see this guy, kill a lvl 70 medium raid equipped lvl 70 wizard in basically a quarter of a second. No, not a full second, not a half second, its more like 0.25 seconds.</p><p>You know, saying that rangers are overpowered didnt help. Posting logs of totally overkills didnt help (They accused you of laging and doctoring!) and even people coming here that witnessed it, noone believed. Everyone was crying for an FRAPS and here we finally go. A Ranger, WHILE jumping in the air, killing a lvl 70 player in less than a half second. Grats for the balancing sony, is it true that a lead designer of everquest 2 plays a Ranger? go figure.</p></blockquote>I'd love for you to actually start tying your posts about rangers into the actual threads you post them in. This thread might actually have a connection there, but you failed to point it out. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> This thread is about a ranger having problems killing wizards. I showed him not only a video that shows what a ranger is capable of, i also showed him a video where a ranger kills a wizard in less than a second. I see alot of connections. Maybe its just you who failed to see the point. And stop telling me how badly snipershot was nerfed, this guy didnt use a dmg combat art to kill a lvl 70.</blockquote>There we go. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bi]

lol at the guy who said rangers arent easymode,

[PeaSy1]

Ok when i encounter a manashield toon the second i see it come up i use a knockback or fear or whatever toons im using cc interupt ability. Then i his sprint for about 3 second and get out of his range. It has a timer on it so just run it off a bit and go back to it. Nobody said you had to stand still for the whole fight ; ). And in regards to rangers being easy mode i actually disagree to a point. Cause it is an advantage to jump someone from range throw some arrows at them and if you dont succeed snare/root and run away. But if your caught after that initial burst yoiur in trouble especially from most of your counterpart scouts.

[yellowbelly08]

<p>lol at the guy that said "lol at the guy that said rangers arent easymode"</p><p>Galoro</p>

[Cyst]

Assassins, Furies, Wardens, Brigands, et cetera are all overpowered. It's not JUST the Ranger. So Ajjantis pay close attention to the four fingers pointing back at you when you scream nerf.

[Darkor]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Assassins, Furies, Wardens, Brigands, et cetera are all overpowered. It's not JUST the Ranger. So Ajjantis pay close attention to the four fingers pointing back at you when you scream nerf.</blockquote><p> Argueing with you is pointless. Just watch jamilias new video, the last fight is my favourite <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Where is Sproik who wanted so much a fraps of jamilia pwning people in less than a second. Here it is!!</p>

[Killque]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Problem with running from a wizard (or any long range caster) is all they need to do is start the cast and it hits within x2 the distance of the spell. Impossible to outrun that.</p></blockquote>No, they dont need to start it at 2x the max range, but you have to make it out of that range before it finishes. Quite impossible in most instances though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Correct. As long as they cast within the normal range of the spell, you have 5 seconds (or whatever the spell cast timer is) to get x2 farther the max range of that spell, which I can guarntee you is not going to happen even at sprint speed.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Problem with running from a wizard (or any long range caster) is all they need to do is start the cast and it hits within x2 the distance of the spell. Impossible to outrun that.</p></blockquote>No, they dont need to start it at 2x the max range, but you have to make it out of that range before it finishes. Quite impossible in most instances though. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Correct. As long as they cast within the normal range of the spell, you have 5 seconds (or whatever the spell cast timer is) to get x2 farther the max range of that spell, which I can guarntee you is not going to happen even at sprint speed.</blockquote>Ah, I think I misunderstood ya. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Tatate]

Fortysix@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Pumice stone? </blockquote> Pumice Stone doesn't always work, my next step, run around for thirty seconds..not that hard and not that long. Just run behind objects and stuff to get out of their line of site, rendering them in-effective. Manashield is up, go in for the kill. Manashield is not unbeatable, but people just want their kills handed to them on a silver platter.

[Pumancat]

Zatia@Venekor wrote: <blockquote>Fortysix@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Pumice stone? </blockquote> Pumice Stone doesn't always work, my next step, run around for thirty seconds..not that hard and not that long. Just run behind objects and stuff to get out of their line of site, rendering them in-effective. Manashield is up, go in for the kill. Manashield is not unbeatable, but people just want their kills handed to them on a silver platter.</blockquote><p> Exactly! and rangers have been having easy kills handed to them since the start.</p><p>/rant</p><p> I apologize, but after a year and a half of constant insta-deaths; and finally getting some half a**'d defence through AAs, all you rangers are crying that we can finally fight back a little. So a ranger got killed by a wizard. Go play little flower puzzle games if you can't take it. You've still got it so easy over other classes, and this clown OP is crying cause he too lazy to L2P.</p><p>Wizards and all mages STILL go down in seconds to scouts. Just now they have to work at it, with their advantages that still make them over powered.   /finished rant</p><p>Little secret for you [Removed for Content] = Manashield is not all you think it is.</p><p>Nyarlath - 70 wizard</p><p>Venekor server</p><p>edited to change first sentence</p>

[Elephanton]

<p>nvm</p>

[Killque]

As a Dirge, nothing is handed to me on a silver platter, especially a wizard with Manashield.

[Pumancat]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>As a Dirge, nothing is handed to me on a silver platter, especially a wizard with Manashield.</blockquote><p> I apologize to you troubs and dirges. You have been gimped throughout the system almost as bad as us mages, that I regularly don't even consider you as scout classes. No offence was intended. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Nyarlath</p>

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote>As a Dirge, nothing is handed to me on a silver platter, especially a wizard with Manashield.</blockquote><p> I apologize to you troubs and dirges. You have been gimped throughout the system almost as bad as us mages, that I regularly don't even consider you as scout classes. No offence was intended. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Nyarlath</p></blockquote><p>I had a huge post typed out as a reply... but most of it was just ranting. Here's the important bit:</p><p>Almost as bad? rofl. You've never played a Troubador at 70 then. </p>

[Killque]

<p>I 100% truely feel that the Dirge is not a [Removed for Content] class. Ask anyone in my tier (and some above) that we Dirge can be a force to be reckoned with. Just because I cannot kill you in 5 seconds with 3 CAs does not mean we are "under powered" or "need help".</p><p>Infact, we just got a nerf, first in a long while. Our Luck of the Dirge was lessened by 5% (down to 20% from 25%). Even with the nerf of one of our most used end line AAs I was able to pull of the contents of this post <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=375631" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Here.</a></p><p>But we digress (or more so I). Carry on with the nerfing of the wizard =).</p>

[PsycoSWG]

<cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p>

[Valdar]

One of the funnier posts ever, payback is a female dog it seems <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Killque wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I 100% truely feel that the Dirge is not a [Removed for Content] class. Ask anyone in my tier (and some above) that we Dirge can be a force to be reckoned with. Just because I cannot kill you in 5 seconds with 3 CAs does not mean we are "under powered" or "need help".</p><p>Infact, we just got a nerf, first in a long while. Our Luck of the Dirge was lessened by 5% (down to 20% from 25%). Even with the nerf of one of our most used end line AAs I was able to pull of the contents of this post <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=375631" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Here.</a></p><p>But we digress (or more so I). Carry on with the nerfing of the wizard =).</p></blockquote><p>I 100% truely feel that you need to play one at level 70 before you say things like that. Dirges are not a [Removed for Content] class in solo PvP until around level 50. Then (just like Troubs) they get these wonderful buffs and debuffs (instead of massive attacks like the other scouts) for their ancient teachings, and their DPS plateaus. Bards CAN kill people 1v1 at 70... but its so damned hard and one screw up and you're toast. Even if you don't screw up at all, you'll still most likely lose. The LotD nerf wasn't that huge. Yes it hurts, but you're losing 1% or 2% proc chance on most things. It adds up, but it's not huge.</p><p>Bards in T7 are under-powered and require special tactics to kill anything. Where a wizard will just wander over and blow [I cannot control my vocabulary] up, and an assasin will mosey on up and cut your head off in 3 seconds, a bard has to kite... and kite... and kite... and kite. Unless you have a large gear advantage, trying to stand and fight is always going to end with you dead.</p><p>Bards need some serious lovins. </p>

[ailen]

<p>I have spent a lot of plat, and a lot of DKP to get my dirge kitted out... I have spent untold hours solo'ing trying to figure out how to beat specific kinds of classes... and I have come to the conclusion that an exceptional dirge, cannot beat 75% of the rest of the classes when played by an equally skilled player.  It just isn't possible.  You can be cheap, and wait for them to pull mobs, or fear them off a cliff, or other gimmick type things, but in the end, if you were to start a set duel...  you will die.</p><p>And no, I don't suck.</p><p>I can beat crappy rangers, I can beat almost all monks with a few exceptions, I can beat really really bad swashbucklers, bad brigands...  I can beat other dirges..  crappy Guardians, or Berserkers...I cannot beat a decent healer of any sort, a decent sorcerer or conjurer type of any great quality.  </p><p>I don't lose all my fights, but the ones I usually do win isn't because of the class, its because there are some really really terrible players in this game.   </p><p>Dirge's are pretty tough at lower tiers, but the damage doesn't scale after that.  50 is about where it breaks even and it never gets an increase of any sort after that. </p>

[jam3]

mana shield up...snare and circle em for 30seconds EZ

[Valdar]

Paikis@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>Bards need some serious lovins. </p></blockquote><p>You seem to leave out what they can bring to a group. Balancing a group game for 1v1 will leave us all with paladin vs paladin pvp...</p><p>Get a decent group with a bard vs a decent group without a bard and the first should be able to win each fight. </p>

[ailen]

<p>no, you don't get the point.</p><p>This is somewhat exaggerated but I can say that I can almost AUTOFOLLOW my dirge in a group and get 80% effectiveness out of him in PvP.  I'm not kidding.  press COB, aoe immunity and get a few rezzes going .. that's 90% of it.</p><p>That is why the bards need some love.</p>

[Mildavyn]

<p>So because we're good in groups (I wont deny it, bards rock in groups) we have to be gimped while solo?</p><p>There are ways that have been stated on the bard forums to give us more power while solo, but not increase anything while grouped. Hell, give us the ability to use damage poisons, give us stances (No, we don't have stances, all other scouts do, all fighters do and conjuror/necro pets do, but not bards) and make our self-buff NOT take up a concentration slot (most classes have a self-buff, and the bard one is the ONLY on that requires a conc slot). There you have it. 3 changes that give a bard a bit more personal DPS, but do not impact their group effectiveness in any way.</p>

[Killque]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>I have spent a lot of plat, and a lot of DKP to get my dirge kitted out... I have spent untold hours solo'ing trying to figure out how to beat specific kinds of classes... and I have come to the conclusion that an exceptional dirge, cannot beat 75% of the rest of the classes when played by an equally skilled player.  It just isn't possible.  You can be cheap, and wait for them to pull mobs, or fear them off a cliff, or other gimmick type things, but in the end, if you were to start a set duel...  you will die.</p><p>And no, I don't suck.</p><p>I can beat crappy rangers, I can beat almost all monks with a few exceptions, I can beat really really bad swashbucklers, bad brigands...  I can beat other dirges..  crappy Guardians, or Berserkers...I cannot beat a decent healer of any sort, a decent sorcerer or conjurer type of any great quality.  </p><p>I don't lose all my fights, but the ones I usually do win isn't because of the class, its because there are some really really terrible players in this game.   </p><p>Dirge's are pretty tough at lower tiers, but the damage doesn't scale after that.  50 is about where it breaks even and it never gets an increase of any sort after that. </p></blockquote><p>They said this for the 30s too.. then the 40s. now its the 50s.</p><p>Even at level 45, killing a healer of any kind is a reeeal pain in the tookis. I cant imagine its any different at 70. COB will help with interupts etc but I know im in for a real battle in T7.</p><p>We shall see... im not buying the "gimped at t7" hype just yet. Infact, it drives me even more to prove myself (and the class).</p>

[ailen]

<p>well good luck.  did you know there's an immunity to CoB tucked away in there? oh yah, you probably didn't know that... you can't "perma interrupt" someone with it.    wish you could.. might stand a chance then against most casters / healers... but you can't!</p><p>I love my dirge, but my personality won't allow me to die just because of a class descrepancy, not because of skill...  I play him sometimes, and a few people are surely wondering how they lost to a dirge.</p><p>we it was because you sucked.  ;P</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

The best message to see in my effects chat window.  "Mana Shield has been removed form Soandso."  Followed closely by "Pact of the Cheetah had been removed from Soandso."

[-Arctura-]

(( engage, wait for him to pop manashield, flee and avoid him til manashield is done. Its on a relatively quick timer. Just wait it out, then do your thing.

[Cyst]

Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>Quarter.. Watch the video and watch the Warlock with Manashield beat Jamilia. I'm sure YOU won't call Jamilia a noob, would you?

[-Arctura-]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>Quarter.. Watch the video and watch the Warlock with Manashield beat Jamilia. I'm sure YOU won't call Jamilia a noob, would you? </blockquote>(( Its not hard to kill a manashielded wizard. There are several ways. On another note, Even master-ranked pvpers screw up now and again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cyst]

<cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>Quarter.. Watch the video and watch the Warlock with Manashield beat Jamilia. I'm sure YOU won't call Jamilia a noob, would you? </blockquote>(( Its not hard to kill a manashielded wizard. There are several ways. On another note, Even master-ranked pvpers screw up now and again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> I don't have a problem with Manashield, nor would I complain about it. But for people to rag on someone for having trouble with it when the best of the best do die because of it is poor play on their part. As a Ranger I tend to leave Wizards/Warlocks alone who I know will use it effectively because I don't have 30 second in PvP to run around and wait for it to run out when I'm engaged. That's a disaster waiting to happen on my part. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And Pumice Stones rarely remove Manashield anymore for some reason.</p><p>On my baby Warlock I'm taking 2 on 1, 3 on 1, sometimes 4 on 1 unless there is a very well equipped druid involved for which I'd be hard pressed to beat that druid 1vs1. I could never do that on my Ranger and I can only imagine how effective I'd be in each tier as I grow, and I will grow because I love my Warlock far more than I did my Ranger at those levels. And I don't have to listen to people whine all the time while playing my Warlock and people actually fight him, instead of always running from my Ranger.</p><p>All I'm saying is lets not downplay the effectiveness of Manashield as it is now, considering those using it pre-GU36 were doing very well at a 1:1 ratio.</p>

[PsycoSWG]

<p>Yea well you can't win every fight.</p><p>If jamilia had shown a video of her dying 50 times to manshielded wizards and warlocks I might care. But she didn't.</p><p>People make mistakes and screw up and things happen. You don't win every fight. I die to them too sometimes but even as a brig, with so many positional attacks, I still beat manashielded enemies (when I happen to log in anymore). It's not that hard, people just don't want to learn to play.</p>

[HerbertWalker]

<p>Sorceror > Predator</p><p>What's the problem</p>

[Arcanias]

Demron wrote: <blockquote><p>All I'm saying is lets not downplay the effectiveness of Manashield as it is now, considering those using it pre-GU36 were doing very well at a 1:1 ratio.</p></blockquote><p>              I hate to agree with you Demron, but I can attest to this statement.  I beat Jamilia pre GU-36 using manashield on the 1:1 ratio.  It was an extremely close fight, but I pulled it off because of my timing on popping manashield.  </p><p>             In Jamilia's latest PvP video you will notice that I got my manashield off in just the nick of time.  That's because she double-auto-attacked me for over 1,400 per hit...that's over 2,800 damage! ( and I have 43% physical mit).  Her rain of arrows only did about 1,100 if I remeber correctly.  In this fight I still would have won if manashield was on a 1:1 ratio, since my power was still around 75-80 percent at the end of the fight.  Regardless, I think manashield was just fine the way it used to be, but I'm not going to argue with a boost to it.  I still think that the Ranger auto-attack damage is broken...it seems to outparse all other CA's that I get hit with by well equiped rangers. </p>

[-Arctura-]

<cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>-Arctura- wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Demron wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>Quarter.. Watch the video and watch the Warlock with Manashield beat Jamilia. I'm sure YOU won't call Jamilia a noob, would you? </blockquote>(( Its not hard to kill a manashielded wizard. There are several ways. On another note, Even master-ranked pvpers screw up now and again <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> I don't have a problem with Manashield, nor would I complain about it. But for people to rag on someone for having trouble with it when the best of the best do die because of it is poor play on their part. As a Ranger I tend to leave Wizards/Warlocks alone who I know will use it effectively because I don't have 30 second in PvP to run around and wait for it to run out when I'm engaged. That's a disaster waiting to happen on my part. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> And Pumice Stones rarely remove Manashield anymore for some reason.</p><p>On my baby Warlock I'm taking 2 on 1, 3 on 1, sometimes 4 on 1 unless there is a very well equipped druid involved for which I'd be hard pressed to beat that druid 1vs1. I could never do that on my Ranger and I can only imagine how effective I'd be in each tier as I grow, and I will grow because I love my Warlock far more than I did my Ranger at those levels. And I don't have to listen to people whine all the time while playing my Warlock and people actually fight him, instead of always running from my Ranger.</p><p>All I'm saying is lets not downplay the effectiveness of Manashield as it is now, considering those using it pre-GU36 were doing very well at a 1:1 ratio.</p></blockquote>Prolly just your bad luck.. Ive had Pumice remove Manashield a good 8-9 times...and ive only used it about 10 times on a mage class before lol

[Mildavyn]

<p>Does anyone know what type of effect manasheild is? For instance is it going to be dispelled by a mental-based dispell, or would it require a magic-type dispell?</p><p>Some classes (mages) can enhance their dispell magic spell to also dispell other types of effects. Would this work? Does it already dispell manasheild?</p>

[Harbing]

Paikis@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><p>Does anyone know what type of effect manasheild is? For instance is it going to be dispelled by a mental-based dispell, or would it require a magic-type dispell?</p><p>Some classes (mages) can enhance their dispell magic spell to also dispell other types of effects. Would this work? Does it already dispell manasheild?</p></blockquote> Well i can tell you that its not magic or mental based; i got the <a href="http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=MTUyMTM4ODcyNw==" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Swash M1 taunt</a> and even if rightly timed it only rips Magis Shielding or Ward of Sages off them. Blades Caine Venekor

[jam3]

Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>i assure you jamilias video was pre lu 36. She also uses a 9 sec delay bow with a big spread  it crits quite hard

[Pumancat]

<p>OK, I'm getting sick of seeing this and the other threads whining and crying about how you can't easy kill clothies now due to manashield.</p><p>Seems the ones [Removed for Content] the most are the punk, [Removed for Content] players who got on PVP to be Superman vs Jimmy Olsen. Well guess what?!, Jimmy got his little piece of kryptonite and you can't be Superman anymore! If you can't handle not being able to get free tokens, or non combat kills, GET THE HECK OFF THE GAME! </p><p>I didn't bust my character's butt for a year just to stand in the middle of a field and let you [Removed for Content] get free anything. If you can't pvp against someone who can NOW give somewhat of a fight back, you don't belong here.</p><p>For over a year, PVP was scouts rule, and mages were free status, and faction items to be there for the picking. All we ever heard from you A**holes were replys like Get a group, L2P, roll a different toon, etc.</p><p>So now it's our turn to tell you the same. If you're gonna B**ch about having a hard fight with a mage, because of one semi decent power. Then you need to look and see what kind of player you've been since the beginning, and get the h**l off the game. You make me sick to call yourselves PVPers.</p><p>Nyarlath - 70 wizard</p><p>Venekor server</p>

[Darkor]

<cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, I'm getting sick of seeing this and the other threads whining and crying about how you can't easy kill clothies now due to manashield.</p><p>Seems the ones [I cannot control my vocabulary] the most are the punk, [Removed for Content] players who got on PVP to be Superman vs Jimmy Olsen. Well guess what?!, Jimmy got his little piece of kryptonite and you can't be Superman anymore! If you can't handle not being able to get free tokens, or non combat kills, GET THE HECK OFF THE GAME! </p><p>I didn't bust my character's butt for a year just to stand in the middle of a field and let you [Removed for Content] get free anything. If you can't pvp against someone who can NOW give somewhat of a fight back, you don't belong here.</p><p>For over a year, PVP was scouts rule, and mages were free status, and faction items to be there for the picking. All we ever heard from you A**holes were replys like Get a group, L2P, roll a different toon, etc.</p><p>So now it's our turn to tell you the same. If you're gonna B**ch about having a hard fight with a mage, because of one semi decent power. Then you need to look and see what kind of player you've been since the beginning, and get the h**l off the game. You make me sick to call yourselves PVPers.</p><p>Nyarlath - 70 wizard</p><p>Venekor server</p></blockquote>Wizards, and Sorcerer in general are fine, dont worry. Wish they would upgrade the summoners now a bit too.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, I'm getting sick of seeing this and the other threads whining and crying about how you can't easy kill clothies now due to manashield.</p><p>Seems the ones [I cannot control my vocabulary] the most are the punk, [Removed for Content] players who got on PVP to be Superman vs Jimmy Olsen. Well guess what?!, Jimmy got his little piece of kryptonite and you can't be Superman anymore! If you can't handle not being able to get free tokens, or non combat kills, GET THE HECK OFF THE GAME! </p><p>I didn't bust my character's butt for a year just to stand in the middle of a field and let you [Removed for Content] get free anything. If you can't pvp against someone who can NOW give somewhat of a fight back, you don't belong here.</p><p>For over a year, PVP was scouts rule, and mages were free status, and faction items to be there for the picking. All we ever heard from you A**holes were replys like Get a group, L2P, roll a different toon, etc.</p><p>So now it's our turn to tell you the same. If you're gonna B**ch about having a hard fight with a mage, because of one semi decent power. Then you need to look and see what kind of player you've been since the beginning, and get the h**l off the game. You make me sick to call yourselves PVPers.</p><p>Nyarlath - 70 wizard</p><p>Venekor server</p></blockquote>Wizards, and Sorcerer in general are fine, dont worry. Wish they would upgrade the summoners now a bit too. </blockquote>yah, switch out blood pact for a divine aura like skill and necros are fine. conjies already get a stoneskin. Make that upgradeable or something.

[-Arctura-]

Aeeron@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Quarter@Venekor wrote: <blockquote><cite>yellowbelly08 wrote:</cite><blockquote>lol at the dude that said rangers auto attack will drain 800 manashield power a pop. This would mean we are auto attacking him about 1.5 k...nope mate. A normal ranger will auto attack a wiz about an average of 500 but up to 1200 with temp buffs on. Curiously tho the 3 top end raid bows are not scaled down so much it seems eg Owdanus hits peebs with rsb for 3k but /shrug. I agree with the op...my only suggestion is use immune root pot then snare then run to max range and kite him with long arm or bow of searing misiles.</blockquote><p> LOL average 500 are you joking??</p><p>I go in melee on my brig and hit clothies for that much. Ok I lied, but still. No way in HELL you're only hitting a clothie for 500. That's straight BS. And if you haven't burned through a wizard's manashield as a ranger by the time all your buffs are gone, you just suck. Watch Jamilia's video, look at her crit auto-attacks for 1500 twice, with double shot. 3k damage in an instant right there, which equates to what, 2k power? About 25-30% of an average wizard's power.</p><p>You're joking yourself if you think this needs a nerf.</p></blockquote>i assure you jamilias video was pre lu 36. She also uses a 9 sec delay bow with a big spread  it crits quite hard </blockquote>(( Bylze bow ... shouldnt be hitting as hard as it does, but then, Rangers auto attack is like a godpower <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ailen]

<p>OH, there's one more thats REALLY EASY to get.</p><p>Ghostly Bow of Bylze, quest reward for first quest in Sanctum of the Scaleborn.</p><p>look it up.  it's better than raincaller... since the nerf on it.  </p><p>Look at the damage spread on it, and it's delay</p><p>http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=MTExNjAzNDI0Mg==</p>

[-Arctura-]

Maliak@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>OH, there's one more thats REALLY EASY to get.</p><p>Ghostly Bow of Bylze, quest reward for first quest in Sanctum of the Scaleborn.</p><p>look it up.  it's better than raincaller... since the nerf on it.  </p><p>Look at the damage spread on it, and it's delay</p><p>http://www.eq2idb.com/item_details.php?item=MTExNjAzNDI0Mg==</p></blockquote>(( yup just did before you replied and corrected, myself, but thanks <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Khrunk]

Warhawk@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Ok i know this is coming from a ranger but all bias aside. I have been beaten by wizard after wizard after wizard. The ridiculousness of wizard's ability to pvp is insane! So i start with my stealthy fire m2..usually takes em to yellow, if im lucky orange. I manage to get off maybe my snaring shot or debuff before. SHOOP Mana shield. I desperatly attempt to burn through it but miserably fail after getting nuked by ice comet for an astounding 3K!!!. I am not dead yet stilllll tryin to burn. BOOM ball of incineration for 1500. I'm dead. I have tried the other approach of when they pop mana shield to back out for 30 seconds...doesnt work...they easily see me and ice comet me followed by-DUN DUN DUN, ball of inceration. I have also tried pumice stones. but i have used it on many fights and rarely does it dispel manashielf. I am looking for either some constructive tactics, or some people to agree with me... Tone down the nukes. and 2 points of mana for every 3 points of damage!?!?!?!?! So if i hit em for 1500 they take 1000 to their mana...Ridiculous when it takes about 2 shots for them to kill me. So please explain to em how i am supposed to combat this=[ </blockquote> please rangers ability to kill a mage in 3 seconds or less combined with their survivablity is completely overpowered and quite honestly rangers need the nerf well before mages do.

[Gorgamorph]

I've been roaming around T7 on my wizard. Some fights I dominate, some are close, some I get destroyed. Although Manashield certainly plays a strong role in any fight, it is by no means a guaranteed win. Be thankfull we didn't get the initial 2/1 ratio they were tinkering with on the test server, then predators would have something to cry about.