Suggestion "Flying Mounts"

[bunnykiller69]

<p>This Suggestion is pretty simple in nature. I don't know what would be involved in making it work or if it could only be used in certain zones or if the zones would need to be coded for it.</p><p>However every major game worth its gumballs as MMORPG now has a flying mount. Wow, Vanguard, Lineage 2, I think Eq2 has long been over due for this upgrade and is capable and overlooked such an item and its appeal.</p><p>The only reason, I even entertained the idea of playing vanguard was for the flying mount. The reward was not nearly worth the epic saga of bugs I found in that game. Had Vanguard not had that as a feature I never would have bought the game.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>You're not the first person to suggest this idea, and you won't be the last.</p><p>To put it simply, if they put in flying mounts that could take advantage of the Z axis of the game, players could exploit the zones by flying over content instead of fighting through it.</p><p>I wouldn't mind the idea of flying mounts that act like the flying carpets do now: float a few inches off the ground. Maybe like 2-3 feet off the ground, but no actual ability to fly up or down.</p>

[Zard]

<p>WoW only supports flying mounts for <b>zones that were designed for them. </b>None of the EQ2 zones were designed to support free-flying (as opposed to being on a "track" like when travelling via griffon) PC's. Even Fae glide can get PC's into trouble by accessing geometry not intended to be viewed or walked upon. Reworking all of the existing zones to support free-flying PC's would require a major amount of work, huge downloads and no new content. Sure, it would be nice, but I don't see it happening in the near future as retrofitting existing zones does not generate additional revenue -- releasing expansions does.</p>

[troodon]

<p>I'd prefer Scaled Wolves as Kunark mounts.  </p><p><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id4564.png" border="0"></p><p>How awesome would that be?</p>

[Seiden]

even then, wow's original zones are still better for flying mounts than eq2's. Eq2's areas are just parts, built from a perspective instead of the overall idea. So if you were to fly up, you would just see emptiness over the zone edges. example <img src="http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/2761/eq2000286yo9.jpg" border="0">

[ke'la]

<cite>Seiden wrote:</cite><blockquote>even then, wow's original zones are still better for flying mounts than eq2's. Eq2's areas are just parts, built from a perspective instead of the overall idea. So if you were to fly up, you would just see emptiness over the zone edges. example </blockquote><p>This is why flying of any kind in EQ2 wont work. We are not in a Programed world we are on a move set, if you go just on the other side of that wall over there you will see the digital equivilant of a drop cloth.</p>

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>Im all for Flyin Mounts.  Not sure why some ppl just dont want these, just dont buy one if they come out?</p><p>Anyways, make the new exspansions the only zones u can use them in, like WoW did.  No ones askin for SoE to redo the old world for flyin mounts.  </p><p>This would be an amazin feature in EQ2!</p>

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<p>Tbh, I think you have to measure up the pros and cons...</p><p>Pros:</p><ul><li>Ok, it's cool....straight off the bat.</li><li>It would add a whole new dimension to PvP; attacks from the air and dogfights in the air.</li><li>New flying NPcs</li><li>Possibility of winged races and magic carpets flying in enabled zones.</li><li>Probably more....</li></ul><p>Cons:</p><ul><li>Bugs. The number of exploits that would arise were this to be implemented would be unreal.</li><li>Class balancing issues; If say a guardian couldn't afford a flying mount and a Ranger attacked him,. he'd be done for. this goes for all non-bow classes; basically making Rangers ub3r. </li><li>Whining; Lots of annoying people would complain that not all zones were flyable etc etc.</li><li>CPU strain. For those with low-spec PCs, having to render effectively double the amount as before could kill framerates.</li><li>From SOE's point of view, cost effectiveness; Expansions will sell anyway. It's not worth it in terms of profitability to program new Z axis enabled zones, new mount animations etc.</li><li>Content. Let's face it, if flying mounts were to be introduced, they'd cost. A lot. SOE would also introduce lots of in-the-air content to make it all worthwhile. This would be inaccesible to casuals. Again, unfair but also whine-inducing.</li><li>Probably more...</li></ul><p>In the end, the cons outweigh the pros and for SOE to make it work, it'd cost more time and money than they would be prepared to spend. It's a nice idea, but in the end it probably will never happen.</p><p>EDIT</p><p>Having said all that....Wasn't some kind of Z-Axis introduced when SOE allowed us to jump from griffins? Otherwise we wouldn't normally be able to get that high, right?</p>

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>All your cons arnt really that big of a deal.  </p><p>PvP - Make it so u cant attack if your in mid-flight.  Problem solved.</p><p>Cost - I hope it costs alot, so ppl that work hard for it, deserve it.  Classes dont change who gets a mount.  Everyone can make money, theres ton of different ways to do it in EQ2.</p><p>Bugs/Exploits - Everythin new seems to have bugs/exploits w/e it is, things get fixed.  Jumpin through content, so what?  This is an outside zone, not a dungeon, the way EQ2 does outside zones, u dont need a flyin mount to get places in any of the zones, pretty much clear paths anywhere u like to go, so I dont see how Flyin mounts would change this.</p><p>SoE standpoint - Just because exspansions sell, does not mean they shouldnt add stuff that there payin custormers are askin for?  I even started playin WoW just so I could ride a flyin mount <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  IMO they will sell more copys of there exspansion if this was an added feature... Dont know about u but Im not lookin foward to ridin a Rhino...</p><p>Summary - doesnt matter what is introduced into EQs world, u can always come up with pros and cons.  If SoE wants to be the last MMO to bring in pretty much what every other MMO is doing, IMO are losin money to other MMOs.  </p><p>BRING IN FLYIN MOUNTS! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[ke'la]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>All your cons arnt really that big of a deal.  </p><p>PvP - Make it so u cant attack if your in mid-flight.  Problem solved.</p><p>Cost - I hope it costs alot, so ppl that work hard for it, deserve it.  Classes dont change who gets a mount.  Everyone can make money, theres ton of different ways to do it in EQ2.</p><p>Bugs/Exploits - Everythin new seems to have bugs/exploits w/e it is, things get fixed.  Jumpin through content, so what?  This is an outside zone, not a dungeon, the way EQ2 does outside zones, u dont need a flyin mount to get places in any of the zones, pretty much clear paths anywhere u like to go, so I dont see how Flyin mounts would change this.</p><p>SoE standpoint - Just because exspansions sell, does not mean they shouldnt add stuff that there payin custormers are askin for?  I even started playin WoW just so I could ride a flyin mount <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  IMO they will sell more copys of there exspansion if this was an added feature... Dont know about u but Im not lookin foward to ridin a Rhino...</p><p>Summary - doesnt matter what is introduced into EQs world, u can always come up with pros and cons.  If SoE wants to be the last MMO to bring in pretty much what every other MMO is doing, IMO are losin money to other MMOs.  </p><p>BRING IN FLYIN MOUNTS! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p></blockquote>This Con trumps all pros. It would take the Mechanics team about 6months or so atleast to get this to work in game. As currently the z-axis in EQ2 sucks big time(try fighting while swiming underwater to see what I mean) so they would basicly have to redesign the game engine to allow it, and sence they are working on that, they can't work making other devs big Ideas work(there are only so many Mechanics Devs) as such that would mean that we would not see cool complex zones like Unrest, because they are spending thier time on making what amounts in the end to Fluff. Don't get me wrong I would love to see flying mounts, but as adding it means that real content will be delayed or never impemented at all, I would prefure they not work on it.

[Wildmage]

If they ever put levitate effects into the game maybe it will be worthwhile talking about Flying mounts but until then this is just so much dead horse beating.

[Ixalmaris]

Flying mounts would not work in current zones. They were not made for flying characters. And only having them in a single zone would imo be rahter lame unless its a huge zone like the one promised in RoK. But even then I don't think such a limited function would justify the probably large effort it would require to make flying mounts.

[troodon]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Im all for Flyin Mounts.  Not sure why some ppl just dont want these, just dont buy one if they come out?</p></blockquote> It's not a question of wanting one for ourselves, it's a question of wanting them for the game.  The game was not made for flying mounts and they would do much more harm than good if they tried to bring them to Norrath.

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>Ke'la - There are tons of different Dev teams workin on this game.  Devs have even said so.  If u had a team workin on flyin mounts, they would be just for that, where u have your new content team etc etc.  U make it sound like theres 3 ppl makin everythin for EQ2, hehe.</p><p>All I got to say is, if WoW can do it, and make it work, I know SoE can do it 50 times better.  Plus KoS would work fine with Flyin Mounts, with Fae and Parachutes, we have all figured out there are no open holes like the old zones if u got somewhere u shouldnt.</p>

[Norrsken]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Ke'la - There are tons of different Dev teams workin on this game.  Devs have even said so.  If u had a team workin on flyin mounts, they would be just for that, where u have your new content team etc etc.  U make it sound like theres 3 ppl makin everythin for EQ2, hehe.</p><p>All I got to say is, if WoW can do it, and make it work, I know SoE can do it 50 times better.  Plus KoS would work fine with Flyin Mounts, with Fae and Parachutes, we have all figured out there are no open holes like the old zones if u got somewhere u shouldnt.</p></blockquote>i'd like to have flyingmounts, but they'd have to revamp all the zones that werent build for them before i want them. only being alble to fly in certan zones irks me to no end.

[Wildmage]

I fail to see a point to flying mounts other than bypassing content and being exploitive.  If their going to be "faster" than ground mounts why not just make faster ground mounts.  It seems a frivolous and needlessly complicated thing to bring into the game, when the transport systems already in place are working just fine.

[Ixalmaris]

Flying mounts are simply "cool" and everyone is implementing them. No wonder that people in here start to wanting them too. But EQ2 is not build for flying mounts. Alone the zone design is not very good for mounts unless you want invisible walls everywhere you go. A game has to be designed from the begining to use flying mounts (for example Vanguard or Horizons with its playable dragons (If the rest of the game would only be good...)) If SOE implements flying mounts then only with an mega expansion similiar to EoF where all zones are designed for flying mounts.

[Wildmage]

<cite>Ixalmaris wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>Flying mounts are simply "cool" and everyone is implementing them.</b> No wonder that people in here start to wanting them too. But EQ2 is not build for flying mounts. Alone the zone design is not very good for mounts unless you want invisible walls everywhere you go. A game has to be designed from the begining to use flying mounts (for example Vanguard or Horizons with its playable dragons (If the rest of the game would only be good...)) If SOE implements flying mounts then only with an mega expansion similiar to EoF where all zones are designed for flying mounts. </blockquote>I pretty much agree with your post but the bolded section reminds me about lemmings, and the fact that usually its the people who DONT do what everyone else is doing that succeed

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>Again, bypassin content can already be done on foot in any outdoor zone, so flyin mounts wont change that at all. </p><p>If u dont like them, simply dont buy one.</p>

[bunnykiller69]

<p>Thanks everyone for replying I am getting a lot of its too much work or too many bugs responses. I honestly think with all the money this game has made eq/eq2 this wouldn't even put a dent in their coin purse. As for the ideas I agree it would have to be only new expansion zones why I put it on this forum. Flying mounts only work in the new zones on wow I wouldn't ask soe to rewrite the entire game, however they should start paying attention to dx10 and decide to ether recode the whole game or release eq3. </p><p>To the comment about flying over mobs as exploiting. Is flying over a river rather than swimming though it an exploit in real life or just evolution? I think the point of flying mounts would be to fly not hover.</p><p>I think this is very doable as an expansion feature in the future that only works in the zones created after that expansion that where written correctly.</p>

[rsaint16]

I think the real problem here is that EQ2 engine is limited, they didn't make this engine with this kind of future in mind, I don't know what was the goal of devs when making this game, but perhaps it was to make the game look futuristic in 2004 and cause hype, now I think they didnt make the engine expansive, imho zones were a huge mistake,  but if we think about it this game engine was coded like in 2002, at that time the game designing was new and most games looked bad, when EQ2 came out it was out of this world, now we have all this new technologies that have all kind of effects, we wan't flying mounts, we wan't better armors and more variety, we want better clouds and weather effects but EQ2 wasn't designed for that and requires huge modification, time and money to change the code to adapt to those requirements. Thing is EQ2 is aging, I bet SOE is not going to spend much money on a old game, it would be a better investment for them in a new game not released yet. Is alot more likely that Everquest 3 is being made or projected with all that in mind, with a new engine, I'm not sure if they going to do it with a home made engine or something like Unreal 3, tech 5 or Crytek 2 engines, I think its alot better to design a mmorpg with a already made engine because it cuts the time and money to make a new one, they can focus on content and everything else that needs attention. I would like a huge world like vanguard is with lots of content like EQ2, with better graphics then both, flying mounts, dynamic weather, true physics in combat, etc, but thats a new game coming out, and its called everquest 3... Just hope they can add the Skeleton revamp so we can have more costumization, that is something that would add much interest to the game and is something that would increase subscriptions and give them some real profit, this game with more beautiful armors and weapons would rule every game out there right now<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wildmage]

<cite>rsaint16 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I think the real problem here is that EQ2 engine is limited, they didn't make this engine with this kind of future in mind, I don't know what was the goal of devs when making this game, but perhaps it was to make the game look futuristic in 2004 and cause hype, now I think they didnt make the engine expansive, imho zones were a huge mistake,  but if we think about it this game engine was coded like in 2002, at that time the game designing was new and most games looked bad, when EQ2 came out it was out of this world, now we have all this new technologies that have all kind of effects, we wan't flying mounts, we wan't better armors and more variety, we want better clouds and weather effects but EQ2 wasn't designed for that and requires huge modification, time and money to change the code to adapt to those requirements. Thing is EQ2 is aging, I bet SOE is not going to spend much money on a old game, it would be a better investment for them in a new game not released yet. Is alot more likely that Everquest 3 is being made or projected with all that in mind, with a new engine, I'm not sure if they going to do it with a home made engine or something like Unreal 3, tech 5 or Crytek 2 engines, I think its alot better to design a mmorpg with a already made engine because it cuts the time and money to make a new one, they can focus on content and everything else that needs attention. I would like a huge world like vanguard is with lots of content like EQ2, with better graphics then both, flying mounts, dynamic weather, true physics in combat, etc, but thats a new game coming out, and its called everquest 3... Just hope they can add the Skeleton revamp so we can have more costumization, that is something that would add much interest to the game and is something that would increase subscriptions and give them some real profit, this game with more beautiful armors and weapons would rule every game out there right now<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><img src="/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[iceriven2]

I would luv to see flying mounts b/c yes i think they are cool.  But the game is not built for it so we will only maybe see it in a expansion and only allowed to use in the expansion.  Just like wow. theres a reason why they cant fly in there old world.  Its not built for it.

[Nayurayne]

I will have to say that I would love flying mounts, even if there are only in a few zones because of game issues. I came from horizons..was playing almost 3 years now and I have to say that flying is one of the things I miss in this game.

[troodon]

<a href="mailto:Ohnoez@Nagafen" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ohnoez@Nagafen</a> wrote: <blockquote><p>If u dont like them, simply dont buy one.</p></blockquote>You fail to understand.  It's not that people think they will be bad for themselves, it's that they think it will be bad for <b>the game</b>.  Flying mounts being introduced wouldn't hurt me, it would hurt <b>the game</b>.  People opposed to the notion of flying mounts not buying them doesn't fix the problems they will bring to <b>the game</b>.

[Syndic]

<p>Personally I think it was stupid for flying mounts in WoW to only be usable in new zones.  To have something cost so much yet have it's usage hampered by lack of forethought they could have just left it out and been fine.  But you mention flying mount and people seem to go all a flutter.  Sorry but if your not going to let me use a flying mount everywhere I can use a landbased mount then your better off putting your effort into something more productive.</p><p>I'm not saying no to flying mounts, I'm just saying I wouldn't accept a half arsed job at it (eg blizzard).</p>

[The_Real_Ohno]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><a href="mailto:Ohnoez@Nagafen" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ohnoez@Nagafen</a> wrote: <blockquote><p>If u dont like them, simply dont buy one.</p></blockquote>You fail to understand.  It's not that people think they will be bad for themselves, it's that they think it will be bad for <b>the game</b>.  Flying mounts being introduced wouldn't hurt me, it would hurt <b>the game</b>.  People opposed to the notion of flying mounts not buying them doesn't fix the problems they will bring to <b>the game</b>. </blockquote>Thats your opinion, and thats fine, but dont speak for the Devs with <b>there game</b>.  I dont agree with u though, Flyin Mounts would not hurt the game.  Theres lots and lots of ppl that would like this, if u dont, again dont buy one.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ixalmaris]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><a href="mailto:Ohnoez@Nagafen" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Ohnoez@Nagafen</a> wrote: <blockquote><p>If u dont like them, simply dont buy one.</p></blockquote>You fail to understand.  It's not that people think they will be bad for themselves, it's that they think it will be bad for <b>the game</b>.  Flying mounts being introduced wouldn't hurt me, it would hurt <b>the game</b>.  People opposed to the notion of flying mounts not buying them doesn't fix the problems they will bring to <b>the game</b>. </blockquote>Thats your opinion, and thats fine, but dont speak for the Devs with <b>there game</b>.  I dont agree with u though, Flyin Mounts would not hurt the game.  Theres lots and lots of ppl that would like this, if u dont, again dont buy one.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Pleas stop with the "If you don't like it don't buy it" nonsense. Its about the development effort. Because the game was never meant to have flying mounts the effort needed to implement them are in no relation to the result of having flying mounts.

[Armawk]

Its far from only about dev effort.. its about the fact that it, like machine guns if they put those in, would not be optional at all because noone who refused to get one would ever get a group, and on PVP servers (looking at you ohnoez) not having one would be such a huge disadvantage that it would be inconceivable to play properly without one.

[The_Real_Ohno]

<p>All Im gonna say is if WoW can do it, we all know SoE can do it better.  Stop makin it seem like SoE doesnt have a clue about there own game.  Untill someone from SoE comes in and says yes or no and because, all we can do is guess. </p>

[Qaeadyen]

I actually am suprised they didn't decide to give the Sarnak the Sokokar of Norrathian Lore. These beasts were made from both froglok and dragon by one of the Iskar's previous rulers who was corrupted by dark magic. This is also how the Sarnak came to be.

[Norrsken]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>All Im gonna say is if WoW can do it, we all know SoE can do it better.  Stop makin it seem like SoE doesnt have a clue about there own game.  Untill someone from SoE comes in and says yes or no and because, all we can do is guess. </p></blockquote>they actually already voiced their opinions on this matter. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Long ago though. It would be cool, but if so, they want to do it properly, and that is not possible in the current state of the game, or something along those lines.

[The_Real_Ohno]

Link?

[Norrsken]

Ohnoez@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote>Link?</blockquote>ugh. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Cant remember if it was on the forums, a stratics or a fan faire thing. People started asking for flying mounts sometime around DoF I think. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> So its not too easy to pinpoint it in time either. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dragowulf]

i want to see our kunarkian rhino

[Norrsken]

<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>i want to see our kunarkian rhino</blockquote>I hope that the rhino wont fly. [Removed for Content]. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dragowulf]

that would be bad [Removed for Content]

[Norrsken]

<cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>that would be bad [I cannot control my vocabulary]</blockquote>Whiplash injuries and severe head trauma from rhino droppings. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Dragowulf]

Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><cite>Dragowulf2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>that would be bad [I cannot control my vocabulary]</blockquote>Whiplash injuries and severe head trauma from rhino droppings. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> It's bad enough when a little pigeon does it.

[Kyle]

Please no. Having griffon towers are good enough. This is EverQuest, not Microsoft Plane Simulator.