Sarnak and PVP

[soulljah]

If the new Sarnak race is going to start of neutral how is this going to play out in pvp? Are they going to become a new faction on there own where they can kill anyone? Or will you be forced to eventually pick a faction? WIll they be an ally to exiles who also can kill anyone, or will it be all out war with them as well? And can you kill other sarnak?

[Cusashorn]

They're being forced to evil alligned classes, so my guess would be they'll be evil.

[Borias]

I'd still like to see 3rd faction.

[Darkfir3]

Exile is as close toa thirdfaction as well ever see imho.

[Cocytus]

<p></p><p>Cusashorn wrote: </p><blockquote>They're being forced to evil alligned classes, so my guess would be they'll be evil.</blockquote><p> Wait, so I can't roll a Sarnak monk? Wow. My first huge disappointment with ROK....Where did you get this info?</p><p>Also, to the OP, I was assuming they would be exile-alligned.</p>

[AnAnimatedcorpse]

<cite>Cocytus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>They're being forced to evil alligned classes, so my guess would be they'll be evil.</blockquote> Wait, so I can't roll a Sarnak monk? Wow. My first huge disappointment with ROK....Where did you get this info?</blockquote>This is stll speculation, but if someone speaks with enough confidence it almost makes it sound like fact.

[Cocytus]

That's true. From what all I read, I saw that they were going to be true neutral, so I was assuming they had no bounds in regards to class, and they would be exile-alligned in regards to pvp.

[roces9]

I've been onder the impression that Sarnak will be neutral. But then again, I'm just a Troubador.

[Nayurayne]

The reason people are saying they're going to be evil is because if you look at charactor creation on all the neutral races it says those who start in Qeynos are good and those who start in Freeport or Timorous Deep are evil. Although I agree with the majority of the rest of you....I would like a true neutral faction city (starting city) instead of an evil city where neutral races may start.

[Raeyzej]

Looks like sarnak are going to be evil. Go to character creation screen and look into a neutral race.. it says if they start in Timorous Deep, they are evil.

[Ancalima]

<cite>WoodShadowed wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks like sarnak are going to be evil. Go to character creation screen and look into a neutral race.. it says if they start in Timorous Deep, they are evil.</blockquote> So what's the point in making the Sarnak a neutral race if they can only start in one area, and that area is evil?

[Wildmage]

Ancalima@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>WoodShadowed wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks like sarnak are going to be evil. Go to character creation screen and look into a neutral race.. it says if they start in Timorous Deep, they are evil.</blockquote> So what's the point in making the Sarnak a neutral race if they can only start in one area, and that area is evil? </blockquote>Obviously its all part of a Neutral Plot!!!

[Kindayr]

<p>What i hope they do, if they aren't able to make a race start with all classes due to game mechanics, is maybe make two camps within Timorous deep (still the same city, just different hamlets), kinda like what they did with Paineel and Erudin on Odus, but in the same city and same faction.</p><p>So if you want to make an evil-classed Sarnak, you start on West Gorowyn (still the same faction), if you want a good Sarnak, you choose East Gorowyn.</p>

[troodon]

Ancalima@Antonia Bayle wrote: <blockquote><cite>WoodShadowed wrote:</cite><blockquote>Looks like sarnak are going to be evil. Go to character creation screen and look into a neutral race.. it says if they start in Timorous Deep, they are evil.</blockquote> So what's the point in making the Sarnak a neutral race if they can only start in one area, and that area is evil? </blockquote> They're only neutral in the sense that anyone can come into the city and other neutral races (like Barbarian, Human, Kerra, etc.) can start in their city.  I'm not at all sure how some meekly Kerra is going to find itself in a hidden Sarnak city in the middle of Timorous Deep, but that's how it seems to be planned.

[troodon]

<cite>Kindayr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What i hope they do, if they aren't able to make a race start with all classes due to game mechanics, is maybe make two camps within Timorous deep (still the same city, just different hamlets), kinda like what they did with Paineel and Erudin on Odus, but in the same city and same faction.</p><p>So if you want to make an evil-classed Sarnak, you start on West Gorowyn (still the same faction), if you want a good Sarnak, you choose East Gorowyn.</p></blockquote> This doesn't make any sense to me.  The Sarnak have never been a nice race, and have always been just as wicked as their Goblin, Giant, Burynai, Drolvarg, and Iksar neighbors (Kunark simply isn't a nice place), why should they have good classes?  It's one thing to let wandering adventurers of any stripe come into your city (virtually all of Kelethin does that), it's another thing to abandon good ol' fashioned Necromancy and start training Paladins.

[StoneySilen]

I would rather it was a true Neutral city and only Neutral classes can start there too (IE Guardian, Berserker, Wizard, Warlock, etc...).

[DocFlareon]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>I would rather it was a true Neutral city and only Neutral classes can start there too (IE Guardian, Berserker, Wizard, Warlock, etc...). </blockquote> And prevent them from playing <b>two thirds</b> of the classes?  I'd be screaming mad if SOE pulled that stunt.  I'd also like to point out that the alpha server sarnak shown during E3 was a necromancer.

[StoneySilen]

Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>I would rather it was a true Neutral city and only Neutral classes can start there too (IE Guardian, Berserker, Wizard, Warlock, etc...). </blockquote> And prevent them from playing <b>two thirds</b> of the classes?  I'd be screaming mad if SOE pulled that stunt.  I'd also like to point out that the alpha server sarnak shown during E3 was a necromancer. </blockquote>So, they can betray.  And I wouldn't take anything from a Alpha server as gospel.  Maybe Scott Hartsman likes Necro's so he created his character as a necro.  He is a dev, is on a alpha server and can do anything he wants.

[DocFlareon]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>I would rather it was a true Neutral city and only Neutral classes can start there too (IE Guardian, Berserker, Wizard, Warlock, etc...). </blockquote> And prevent them from playing <b>two thirds</b> of the classes?  I'd be screaming mad if SOE pulled that stunt.  I'd also like to point out that the alpha server sarnak shown during E3 was a necromancer. </blockquote>So, they can betray.  And I wouldn't take anything from a Alpha server as gospel.  Maybe Scott Hartsman likes Necro's so he created his character as a necro.  He is a dev, is on a alpha server and can do anything he wants. </blockquote> Betraying doesn't work like that.  There is no way for a wizard or warlock to become a necromancer/conjurer or coercer/illusionist.

[StoneySilen]

They could change it, they already have what 3-4 times since the games release?

[troodon]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>They could change it, they already have what 3-4 times since the games release? </blockquote> or..... they avoid all that trouble and not restrict them to only the neutral classes.

[Wildmage]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>They could change it, they already have what 3-4 times since the games release? </blockquote> Talk about apples and oranges theres no way they would make a shift in fundamental game mechanics like that. PERIOD.

[StoneySilen]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>They could change it, they already have what 3-4 times since the games release? </blockquote> Talk about apples and oranges theres no way they would make a shift in fundamental game mechanics like that. PERIOD. </blockquote>Why not? They have done it before.  Used to be if you were a Wizard and betrayed to the other city you stayed a Wizard, now you can choose Wizard or Warlock.

[roces9]

Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nitelen@The Bazaar wrote: <blockquote>They could change it, they already have what 3-4 times since the games release? </blockquote> Talk about apples and oranges theres no way they would make a shift in fundamental game mechanics like that. PERIOD. </blockquote>Why not? They have done it before.  Used to be if you were a Wizard and betrayed to the other city you stayed a Wizard, now you can choose Wizard or Warlock. </blockquote> Changin from Wizard to Warlock or Troubador to Dirge is one thing, they're just different takes on the same thing. Changing from Wizard to Necro makes absolutely no sense.

[Deadly Nightshadow]

<p><span style="color: #ffffff">Ok. Here's the reason why they're evil. </span></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff">The "bonus" races are:</span></p><p><b><span style="color: #0000ff">Qeynos: </span><span style="color: #0000ff">Froglok, Fae</span></b></p><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000">Freeport: Arasai (doesn't count tbh, it's a Fae), Sarnak</span></b></p><p><span style="color: #ffffff">Tbph, FP got a little shortchanged on one of our races anyway. That's why we get Sarnak. There are lots of neutral classes already...take your pick. I don't mean to troll, but I'm a little sick of closet Q players moaning whenever they're denied something.</span></p>