Invisible T1 Cloth Armor?

[Liyle]

I just made a set of sackcloth armor (to match the Artisan's Tunic) for my Alchemist to craft in but the shoulders and the forearms don't show up on my toon even in her undies. Is this a bug or as intended?

[Barbai]

sounds like you made the emperors cloths! Other then that I can't really tell you if it was made to not have a graphic since most cloth wearers are covered up head to toe in robes  that things like shoulders are normally not seen anyway.

[Liyle]

Right, but normally if you are wearing a tunic the shoulders are visible, and if you are not wearing anything the forearms are also. I think most of the other t1 armor is visible, just not player made cloth. I ran through what I could find on the broker via the dressing room and was able to see everything else.

[Domino]

I can't say whether it's intended or not, since I didn't create it, but I can tell you that one of the things I've been doing lately is getting a handle on all the armor appearances across all levels, so that I can plan out some different looking stuff for tier 8 with Kunark (gotta know what all you have before you can be sure what you don't have!)  This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Deson]

And another gripe departs the doom and gloom corner.....Really, stop it!

[Nuhus]

hehe emporers clothes. classic

[Kitsune286]

Thats awsome. I hope some of the older armors (*Cough* Feysteel *cough*) gets its old look back, or a diffrent one. (I have screenies to prove what it looked like before the armor revamp!) Sorry to hijack/derail =p

[MrWolfie]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened? </blockquote><p>Yes <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>In EQ-Live, the really cool slick, black look was achieved with a full set of blackened iron chain mail. Shame it was such a low level, but nice while it lasted.</p><p>As far as Blackened Iron goes in EQ2, I'd have the brown detailing tinted black and keep the overall grey/silver look, otherwise a set of BI is going to look very odd with the HQ Dwarven Chainmail chestpiece (which is what most chain twinks will be wearing between 12 & 22).</p><p>Personally, I'd be looking into the option of tinting, having tints produced by a crafter and *applied* by a crafter responsible for the armor type. That way, if I has a blue-silver BP and shoulders and wanted my black greaves made the same colour, I would have a blue-silver tint made and go see my local armorsmith to have it applied to my equipment.</p><p>I know that tints have been asked for over and over. I don't know how possible this is, based on how skinning works in EQ2 and how the graphics are currently produced, but hey, it's worth mentioning.</p>

[Rijacki]

Kittsune@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>Thats awsome. I hope some of the older armors (*Cough* Feysteel *cough*) gets its old look back, or a diffrent one. (I have screenies to prove what it looked like before the armor revamp!) Sorry to hijack/derail =p </blockquote>Sadly, a lot of them, cloth and metal, had their appearances changed drastically with LU#24.  For cloth, especially in the lower levels, there isn't any variety between the types that can be made, not even between rare and common.  Some of the of the other types are that way, too. It's as if... well.. the person assigning the looks to the finished products didn't.. umm.. care.

[Deson]

Or, was so ridiculously busy during it all that some quality was sacrificed.

[Liyle]

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>And another gripe departs the doom and gloom corner.....Really, stop it! </blockquote> Actually gloom and doom has nothing to do with my comments. Since we are being included in the discussion of what work needs to be done and since I've been doing a lot of house cleaning on my toons and rerolling, I've been trying to keep my eyes open as I pass through T1 slowly with xp off. The last time I spent much time at the lower levels was back in the dinosaur days. I think that the opening tier is super important if we are going to grow again after the hard times. As experienced players it's a lot easier for us to spot inconsistencies and trouble spots. And, to be honest, I really didn't know if these pieces were supposed to be non-graphic. Should we be filing bug reports about this or not? I don't mind taking the time to fill out the form if that's what should be done. Anyone who thinks I don't appreciate the new direction, you would be very very wrong.  I just don't think blowing sunshine is a substitute for real progress, and real progress means identifying problems and going after them. That's why I think Domino is so great.  Every time I see all those red sigs my heart lifts.

[Troubor]

Kittsune@Unrest wrote: <blockquote>Thats awsome. I hope some of the older armors (*Cough* Feysteel *cough*) gets its old look back, or a diffrent one. (I have screenies to prove what it looked like before the armor revamp!) Sorry to hijack/derail =p </blockquote><p> Um..you mean the rusty orange of Feysteel vanguard pre LU 24?  Well..with all due respect, why?  I do agree there needs to be some color revamps on armor, not sure we need Feysteel to have the rust orange look.</p><p>Having said that, as much as I kind of like what was the old Steel/Feyiron look to armor, I wouldn't mind if Feysteel Vanguard had a bit different look.</p><p>Oh...suggestions for armor changes (counting shields as armor):</p><p>Been ages since I've seen one (or at least looked to see if it was one), but the Ebon kite shield is shiny and white also.  Shouldn't ebon shields be black, or at least have black metal strips to indicate the metal parts are made of ebon?</p><p>Xegonite vanguard...more people wear it then what you think.  Nothing like seeing a tank class get to 62nd, thinking "AHA..tier 7, I've made it....I'm officially endgame, or at least close to it..."...and the guy gets powder blue armor.  Okay, many, maybe most at tier 7 do try to get as much looted legendary or fabled as soon as they can, but well..for the guys who do stay in their xegonite for a bit..how about something else other then powder blue?</p><p>Xegonite chain on a female IMO looks odd too.  Not even mentioning color here, more mentiong the..well slab of metal in the chest, and how it molds around a woman's breasts in game.  Twinking around with it's look IMO would be good.</p><p>Not like most stick around in tier 1 very long or for that matter bother with mastercrafted tier 1, but well...the last time I actually saw bronze vanguard, it just looked beat up and rusty.  Not bronze.  I'd have to see some again those to see if this is still the case.  But if it still looks the same, bronze colored vanguard could look neat.  I'd kick around having a suit made as ceremonial armor if it didn't look dented.</p><p>All I can think of right now..had a few others, but well..have a flu and just slammed a shot of Nyquil, so my brain isn't as alert as it should be.</p><p>Addendum:  Okay..missed the "doom & gloom" guys' signature also, so removing my comment about such.  OOPS.</p>

[Deson]

<cite>Liyle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>And another gripe departs the doom and gloom corner.....Really, stop it! </blockquote> Actually gloom and doom has nothing to do with my comments. Since we are being included in the discussion of what work needs to be done and since I've been doing a lot of house cleaning on my toons and rerolling, I've been trying to keep my eyes open as I pass through T1 slowly with xp off. The last time I spent much time at the lower levels was back in the dinosaur days. I think that the opening tier is super important if we are going to grow again after the hard times. As experienced players it's a lot easier for us to spot inconsistencies and trouble spots. And, to be honest, I really didn't know if these pieces were supposed to be non-graphic. Should we be filing bug reports about this or not? I don't mind taking the time to fill out the form if that's what should be done. Anyone who thinks I don't appreciate the new direction, you would be very very wrong.  I just don't think blowing sunshine is a substitute for real progress, and real progress means identifying problems and going after them. That's why I think Domino is so great.  Every time I see all those red sigs my heart lifts.</blockquote>You completely missed the point of my statement and if reading my sig doesn't help I can explain it for you. Rest assured it wasn't negative.

[Finora]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't say whether it's intended or not, since I didn't create it, but I can tell you that one of the things I've been doing lately is getting a handle on all the armor appearances across all levels, so that I can plan out some different looking stuff for tier 8 with Kunark (gotta know what all you have before you can be sure what you don't have!)  This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Oh thank goodness you are looking into that sort of thing! I bugged and feedbacked all kinds of wierd stuff (like the bright silver ebon) back when it was first introduced.  And the blackened iron stuff has always bugged me -=).

[Espio]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> Domino, Just out of curiosity, will this re-coloring effort include the casual dress items made by tailors that are, more often then not, the same color at a given level?  Some levels have the male and female versions a slightly different shade, or the two colors are switched.  It would be great if that variety was available at all the levels.  (Some different models would be nice too, but I know thats a topic for another time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> )

[Sapphirius]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't say whether it's intended or not, since I didn't create it, but I can tell you that one of the things I've been doing lately is getting a handle on all the armor appearances across all levels, so that I can plan out some different looking stuff for tier 8 with Kunark (gotta know what all you have before you can be sure what you don't have!)  <b><u>This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!</u></b>  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Domino, I think I love you. If you could not only take a look at the colors but the appearance itself (i.e. the patterns used) I'd appreciate it. For example, in T6 indium devout armor is gold in color and has the vanguard appearance that I love so much. It looks exactly like the old feysteel armor before LU24. However, the cobalt devout armor looks exactly like the cobalt plate armor. The color is right in the dark blue, but I was sadly disappointed not to have the vanguard appearance on it anymore.</p><p>Pssst. If you can get the art department to be a little more creative as well, I would be in heaven. I'm kind of tired of all the armor looking the same each tier. In my humble opinion, there should be more than just a color and texture difference each tier.</p><p>Now, I wonder if they can take a look at the mismatched quested armor sets. Hmmmm...</p><p><a href="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c348/Sapphirius/InquisitorQuestedArmor.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Inquisitor Quested Armor</a></p>

[Liyle]

<cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Liyle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Deson wrote:</cite><blockquote>And another gripe departs the doom and gloom corner.....Really, stop it! </blockquote> Actually gloom and doom has nothing to do with my comments. Since we are being included in the discussion of what work needs to be done and since I've been doing a lot of house cleaning on my toons and rerolling, I've been trying to keep my eyes open as I pass through T1 slowly with xp off. The last time I spent much time at the lower levels was back in the dinosaur days. I think that the opening tier is super important if we are going to grow again after the hard times. As experienced players it's a lot easier for us to spot inconsistencies and trouble spots. And, to be honest, I really didn't know if these pieces were supposed to be non-graphic. Should we be filing bug reports about this or not? I don't mind taking the time to fill out the form if that's what should be done. Anyone who thinks I don't appreciate the new direction, you would be very very wrong.  I just don't think blowing sunshine is a substitute for real progress, and real progress means identifying problems and going after them. That's why I think Domino is so great.  Every time I see all those red sigs my heart lifts.</blockquote>You completely missed the point of my statement and if reading my sig doesn't help I can explain it for you. Rest assured it wasn't negative. </blockquote>Ah! I see now. I guess I have gotten to where I don't read sigs anymore. Sigh! My bad....

[ke'la]

while your looking at Iteams and matching them up, could you take a look at the loot tables and see if there are accually complete look sets among the loot/quest gear available(with the exception of certain Historical and emportaint armor(HQ, Epic, and Sig. Quest stuff) , and if not back burner a possable loot/quest revamp for some time after RoK?

[Domino]

ke'la wrote: <blockquote>while your looking at Iteams and matching them up, could you take a look at the loot tables and see if there are accually complete look sets among the loot/quest gear available(with the exception of certain Historical and emportaint armor(HQ, Epic, and Sig. Quest stuff) , and if not back burner a possable loot/quest revamp for some time after RoK?</blockquote><img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Just as long as nobody actually wanted any tradeskill stuff done between now and Christmas, did they?  Nah ...  <img src="/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> If for some odd reason folks actually do want tradeskill stuff done instead though, requests and question about non-crafted items could be directed to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/forums/show.m?forum_id=2582" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Look and Feel</a> forum.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vonotar]

Tranquil Shawls seem to be routinely invisible.  I simply assumed that they were of a material so thin and see-thru that the game didn't bother attempting to render, but maybe they are just missing.

[Sapphirius]

It wouldn't surprise me if there isn't a graphic for them at all. They did this around the same time they got rid of vests and made all crafted cloth chest pieces robes... except in T6. In T6 there is a crafted vest that looks like a shirt, but it comes complete with it's own sleeves as well.

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't say whether it's intended or not, since I didn't create it, but I can tell you that one of the things I've been doing lately is getting a handle on all the armor appearances across all levels, so that I can plan out some different looking stuff for tier 8 with Kunark (gotta know what all you have before you can be sure what you don't have!)  This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p> Most (all) shoulders require the presence of a chest item to show up.  Though, yes I noticed a few stubborn shoulder graphics in crafting.  I figured someone forgot to attach a graphic and really cloth undergarments aren't exactly required since the Robe supersedes them all. </p><p>Meanwhile .. OH Domino!  I'm so glad you are doing a re-pass on the Armor Graphics!   I was/am doing the armor graphics for EQ2traders but frankly I have been dragging my feet.  *sigh* I have this "why bother" feeling when doing a cut out of the graphic.  If it's not a re-mix graphic from a previous tier it doesn't blend well (look at the dex/wov leather T7) or is just the same bloody graphic (T1-T3 common/rare chain/plate and practically all Cloth).   </p><p>Copper should be copper .. Tin can stay the same color .. blackened Iron should be black .. Steel should be a mix of Silver/black ... </p><p>Casters should have the LOUDEST and the BRIGHTEST colors of the game.  Kinda like in RL where the poisous creatures display their ability to kill you with 1 bite. ... </p><p>The Leather/Cloth .. OH GOD!  Cloth especially .. well go look at eq2traders armor graphics section .. white/white/offwhite/cream/beige .. boring .. boring .. boring!   </p><p>Leather pisses me off slighty .. the leather graphics were taken directly from several the Faction/Guild Status Clothing .. so there you are doing writ after writ .. to look like a T4 Druid .. yeah .. that's empowering.  For Leather if you could at least do some re-tinting on them to make them <i>slightly</i> more unique, that would be great!  </p><p>I won't even mind having to re-do all the pictures .. as long as it's something interesting to cut out.  <img src="/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  </p>

[Rijacki]

<cite>KerowynnKaotic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I have this "why bother" feeling when doing a cut out of the graphic.  If it's not a re-mix graphic from a previous tier it doesn't blend well (look at the dex/wov leather T7) or is just the same bloody graphic (T1-T3 common/rare chain/plate and practically all Cloth).   </p><p>Cloth especially .. well go look at eq2traders armor graphics section .. white/white/offwhite/cream/beige .. boring .. boring .. boring! </p></blockquote>Aside from the fact I got too busy in RL to want to spend the umpteen hours on it.. this is also why The Closet on EQ2Alchemy hasn't been updated in over a year.  The lower tiers, especially for crafted cloth, as so blasted boring with total sameness no matter the quality (rare vs common) or name of the item that it's almost as if it's an intentional encouragement not to use anything crafted but to get the dropped instead.  Then, after a new person has seen how utterly drab and unchanging the low levels of crafted are (where they might actually have used some), he/she'd be likely to assume all of the crafted is like that and just not bother even looking. It really is due for a change. BUT... As much as I hate it, should it really take priority over new recipes, filling out the recipe books, fixing crafting arts, adjusting harvests, correcting actual bugs, etc? 

[Rast]

Heck Deson, I've even started crafting some again <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Sapphirius]

Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote: <blockquote>Heck Deson, I've even started crafting some again <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></blockquote> <sinckers> So have I, and I haven't respecced my weaponsmith yet. I'm waiting to see what changes come down the line first.

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>KerowynnKaotic wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>*snipped* </p></blockquote>*snipped* As much as I hate it, should it really take priority over new recipes, filling out the recipe books, fixing crafting arts, adjusting harvests, correcting actual bugs, etc?  </blockquote><p> Priority?  *ponders* .. </p><p>Ya know if Domino only does 1 set of Armor Tweaking per week/per update .. I wouldn't care how long it takes as long as it was something "NEW"** and Looked Nice! ** (new = as in tinting/colors as Domino isn't part of the Art Team).   </p><p>But, Looks do matter.  And, now that we have the Dressing Room .. .. uh I will admit to skipping a item that had slighty better stats for something that looked way better!   </p><p>IE:  I just dinged my Fury 62!  My Tailor has had a full set for me for awhile now .. but I choose to skip the PJ top (Wov Dragonhide) and go with the Bloodscale Hide Tunic instead .. I was tempted to go with the Bloodscale leggings too but they clashed with my boots.   ...  I'm not Hardcore Raiding.   I don't have a Raid Leader breathing down my neck telling me I have to look like a clown because it is the best combo of stats for my class/level .. I'm just playing the game and trying to look as cute as possible .. all while wearing brown PJ bottoms .. </p><p><img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Excalibre33]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can't say whether it's intended or not, since I didn't create it, but I can tell you that one of the things I've been doing lately is getting a handle on all the armor appearances across all levels, so that I can plan out some different looking stuff for tier 8 with Kunark (gotta know what all you have before you can be sure what you don't have!)  This investigation so far has turned up some quite remarkable mismatches of look and color (why, for example, is melodic ebon bright silver?  It's EBON!  And shouldn't blackened iron stuff be, well, blackened?) which I will be tweaking a bit.  The metal armor will be done first, probably with GU38, but I'll be looking at the cloth and leather next, for similar inconsistencies and missing graphics like the one you mentioned. Not an immediate solution, but hopefully that gives you some small light of hope for the future anyway!  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  And yes, before everybody asks, there will likely be screenshots available shortly.  And no, there's no possible way to make everybody totally happy with any armor changes, so you get to live with what makes the halfling happy.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote><p>*tears of joy*</p><p>Just a few weeks ago in our guild boards, the old topic of EQ2 fashion-rejects came up again. For years I've posted asking for consistent color schemes for all armor in each tier... say 52-62 (cobalt) goes with renditions of blue shades in all armor types (FABLED, LEGENDARY, MASTERCRAFTED, TREASURED) as folks tend to wear a medley of the different qualities and just look silly with some of the wretched Orange/Blue combinations. Especially t5+ Vanguard, as tankers live by their armor and will sulk into looking absolutly ridiculous for a few more mit. After DoF launched I actually quit the game for some time mainly due to the chaos of clownsuits.</p><p>Since I brought up t5+ Vanguard, I might as well comment on my impression that common Vanguard post t5 is pretty much vendor and writ food. Tankers nearly come issued a set of RARE vanguard armor every tier, after t5, until they get LEGENDARY or FABLED upgrades. If you're talking with the art department, might I suggest reclaiming that awesome old Feysteel pattern that you never see because it's on Indium... heck, I've got a level 70 armorer and don't think I've ever even bothered to look at any of the hundreds of pieces of adamatine gear I've made for writs.</p><p>I miss the functional looking metalic armor styles that made this game so awesome when it launched (Carbonite, Feysteel, Status Parade, etc...) and don't understand how the visual equipment art and color schemes has gotten so mixed up across all the tiers. I'll defend that it's gotten better recently... but Ctrl+Click proves that there are tons of awesome armor and weapon models going to waste feeding vendors.</p>

[Liyle]

Man, would I ever love to see metal-colored armor come back. My 70 Templar looks like a multi-colored skateboard clown: purple, red, blue, aqua, mustard yellow and pink. Gag. Recently when I made a complete set of bronze plate for the character that started this whole thread, I was struck by how nicely put together and how knightly she looks. I have to admit I stuffed the quested armor she won in the Darklight Wood into the bottom of her pack in case she had a tough fight, but I wear the Bronze. Nothing has been so hard I needed to pull out the new stuff so I am totally enjoying her armor, and even turned on "show helm" for fighting. She has a kind of stately old-world look about her that is awesome.

[Lortet]

Love the idea of getting the armour "back" to having a bit more differentiation. My adventure retired Guardian (crafter and chief salesman) has a full set of pre GU24 Feysteel - and rather than the "rusty orange" mentioned before is actually bright gold - I get in game comments from old hands about my antique armour lol.

[Calthine]

I am campaigning hard to keep my purple hooters...  I mean my purple-accented Melodic armor...

[Sapphirius]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am campaigning hard to keep my purple hooters...  I mean my purple-accented Melodic armor... </blockquote> [Removed for Content]! No, no. I think "hooters" is a pretty accurate description for that armor.

[Deson]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>I am campaigning hard to keep my purple hooters...  I mean my purple-accented Melodic armor... </blockquote> [Removed for Content]! No, no. I think "hooters" is a pretty accurate description for that armor.</blockquote>What's funny to me about it is that I only notice it when the top is worn without the matching bottom. First time I saw it was on a Wood-elf on AB-she drew a crowd that included 2 guides amongst the gawkers.

[Liyle]

How about the butt-crack gi? I saw a female level 70 halfling monk wearing it on AB the other day in Neriak. LOL! I did a double take! She was cute as a bug but definitely had some bodacious low-riders on, esp from the back. Hehe... hobbits got back!

[Deson]

<cite>Liyle wrote:</cite><blockquote>How about the butt-crack gi? I saw a female level 70 halfling monk wearing it on AB the other day in Neriak. LOL! I did a double take! She was cute as a bug but definitely had some bodacious low-riders on, esp from the back. Hehe... hobbits got back! </blockquote>Which one is that?

[Sapphirius]

That would be the disciple gis: Ashen Disciple, Dark Disciple. The Blood Hide Adept Gi also shares the same graphic. It rides just fine on the elven and human models, but it rides quite low on dwarven and halfling women.

[Liyle]

Yeah that was it, and on second thought she was a Bruiser... sorry evil folk! A "monk" in Neriak would be a Bruiser... oops!

[Domino]

You can find preview galleries of the new chain and plate looks up now on <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/news_page.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">EQ2Traders</a>.  These will most likely be moving into the game with GU38. I realise armor appearance changes will always be a touchy issue, and I've tried to minimize the changes to what I thought was necessary to make the look consistent within a level range.  Hopefully at least the armor appearances will make more sense now, bronze is bronze, ebon is ebon, and blackened iron is not bright white.  And no, there simply aren't enough unique tintable armor appearances to make every different set type have a unique and color coordinated look across every level range, so don't ask or you may get pink armor for Kunark.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I hope the majority will feel the changes are an improvement!  Many thanks to Niami of course for setting up and hosting the gallery.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Lithran]

DominoDev wrote: <blockquote>  so don't ask or you may get pink armor for Kunark.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />       </blockquote> Hmmm carefull. Winter might take you up on that <grin>

[Xalmat]

I like how the armor sets are going to look, Domino. Subtle differences between Vanguard and Plate are a nice touch!

[Powers]

Feysteel won't look like Feyiron anymore???   Hooooorayyyyy!!!! Powers  &8^]

[Magnis]

Thats some great changes Domino,  Thank You <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Liyle]

May I have skin tight iridescent pink armor with purple hooters for my Combat Barbie... err I mean Wood Elf... please? ;^)

[ArivenGemini]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>so don't ask or you may get pink armor for Kunark.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> So, is it too late to put in a vote for some nice pink clothing and armor?   I have a couple alts that would love some nice stuff.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rijacki]

I love the new metal looks and think it's grand that there is discernible difference between rare and common of the same tier but still with the ability to mix them some. I can't wait for the same treatment to cloth and leathers.  I -hate- how, especially in the lower levels, there is no difference between common and rare for the robes. As a side note, there are a lot of robe tints for the current textures that seem to have gone totally missing... I can point to a few using The Closet which has all pre-LU#24 stuff (I never found time to update it since then).

[Syndic]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>You can find preview galleries of the new chain and plate looks up now on <a href="http://eq2.eqtraders.com/articles/news_page.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">EQ2Traders</a>.  These will most likely be moving into the game with GU38. I realise armor appearance changes will always be a touchy issue, and I've tried to minimize the changes to what I thought was necessary to make the look consistent within a level range.  Hopefully at least the armor appearances will make more sense now, bronze is bronze, ebon is ebon, and blackened iron is not bright white.  And no, there simply aren't enough unique tintable armor appearances to make every different set type have a unique and color coordinated look across every level range, so don't ask or you may get pink armor for Kunark.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I hope the majority will feel the changes are an improvement!  Many thanks to Niami of course for setting up and hosting the gallery.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>Not to be too picky but looking at the plate page the Adamantine and Xegonite the Devout set seems to be of a slightly different tint than Vanguard and Plate (although they may just be the lighting at the time of the shot.)  Adamantine has a greenish tinge to it while the devout version is more a little more blue. The Xegonite Devout seems to have a bit more red than the other 2.  I think that's right I'm not usually very good with all this colour thing.

[Domino]

That's correct, they were already slightly different shades and, especially in the higher levels which a lot of people are currently still wearing, I tried to minimize the changes if not really necessary.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Jrral]

<cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's correct, they were already slightly different shades and, especially in the higher levels which a lot of people are currently still wearing, I tried to minimize the changes if not really necessary.  <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote>I like the variation in color. I'm going to have to wait until they go in-game to see what they look like rendered by the engine. They look fairly decent from the pics, although some of the melodic chain looks a bit... garish. To balance that out... cheers on xegonite vanguard no longer being powder-blue. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Liyle]

Maybe a good compromise on color would be to use it on parts that could be dyed in "reality": leather bindings and decorations such as ribbons and other attachments, leaving the metal parts metal-colored. It's important to remember that Rangers and Assassins are chain classes, and bright garb would not be something they would ever wear. I can't imagine putting my Assassin into bright red chain.

[Zexxii]

<p>Redgarding armor appearance, will all the little 'skirts', and especially the not so little skirts, please just go away?  Does anyone actually like the looks of these on any leggings, chain, plate, leather, etc</p>

[Snapdragyn]

I actually like the flaps, especially for a male toon where it hides the 'there that isn't there'.

[ke'la]

Zexxii@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Redgarding armor appearance, will all the little 'skirts', and especially the not so little skirts, please just go away?  Does anyone actually like the looks of these on any leggings, chain, plate, leather, etc</p></blockquote>You do realize that the "little skirts" are more realistic then not having them, they where part of almost all armor. Heck with chain armor it was usually the Chest Piece Hanging down to the Knees that protected that certain soft area between the legs.

[Jesdyr]

<cite>ArivenGemini wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>DominoDev wrote:</cite><blockquote>so don't ask or you may get pink armor for Kunark.  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> So, is it too late to put in a vote for some nice pink clothing and armor?   I have a couple alts that would love some nice stuff.. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </blockquote> OMG did you see the leaked <a href="http://www.jesder.com/images/RoK1.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">RoK T8 armour </a>?

[Terron]

<cite>Troubor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Been ages since I've seen one (or at least looked to see if it was one), but the Ebon kite shield is shiny and white also.  Shouldn't ebon shields be black, or at least have black metal strips to indicate the metal parts are made of ebon? </p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">Do you mean around the edges, since historically shields would be mainly made of wood as it was tougher than metal (less brittle) - typically for good shields three layers glued together with the grain in different directions, with the front covered in hide.</span> </p> <p>Xegonite vanguard...more people wear it then what you think.  Nothing like seeing a tank class get to 62nd, thinking "AHA..tier 7, I've made it....I'm officially endgame, or at least close to it..."...and the guy gets powder blue armor.  Okay, many, maybe most at tier 7 do try to get as much looted legendary or fabled as soon as they can, but well..for the guys who do stay in their xegonite for a bit..how about something else other then powder blue? </p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">I quite liked the powder blue look. </span> </p> <p>Xegonite chain on a female IMO looks odd too.  Not even mentioning color here, more mentiong the..well slab of metal in the chest, and how it molds around a woman's breasts in game.  Twinking around with it's look IMO would be good. </p> <p><span style="color: #ff9900">I would say "odd" - I would say "horrible". On a male it is OK, but on my female half-elf swashbuckler ... - well I tend to use the vampire illusion to hide it. There aren't even any legendary ones to replace it with that are at all easy to obtain - only 3 pieces around level 62 - 2 are so rare as not to have been discovered on my sever, and the third drops off level 68^^^ heroic mobs. (All three are no-trade)</span> </p> </blockquote>

[Terron]

Zexxii@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Redgarding armor appearance, will all the little 'skirts', and especially the not so little skirts, please just go away?  Does anyone actually like the looks of these on any leggings, chain, plate, leather, etc</p></blockquote>How about having some suits like this one - <a href="http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/HenryVIIIarmor00.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images...VIIIarmor00.jpg</a> Or for males only - <a href="http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/HenryVIIIarmor01.jpg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images...VIIIarmor01.jpg</a>

[Armawk]

Zexxii@Nagafen wrote: <blockquote><p>Redgarding armor appearance, will all the little 'skirts', and especially the not so little skirts, please just go away?  Does anyone actually like the looks of these on any leggings, chain, plate, leather, etc</p></blockquote><p> Yes I think the suits with them look better 90% of the time.. without them characters tend to look like they are wearing pyjamas.</p><p>(begs domino to not do the projected blackened iron chainmail change.. pleeeeaaaseeeee)</p>

[MAXDAMAGE]

<p>First off I would like to say I am amazed at how crafting has took off since <b>DominoDev</b>  has been working on tradeskills, You have made everything better IMO. I have 6 70 lvl crafters and everthing you touched has been an improvement Thank You for all care you taken making Eq2 the best ever<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> My comment to this thread follows up on the starter of this topic. I made the shoulders for my lowbie crafter to, reason being is they match the crafting tunic we get from the quest. I have done this quest for all my crafters. What I would like to ask is  Could you make us more pieces to match the tunic for us that have lvl 5 crafting alt's? You see a Tailor can make pants and boots that match, But cant wear them till like lvl 15 I think it is. I know your aweful busy and this is just an idea no biggie if not it doesnt effect game play. Yes we can buy crafting clothes from the city merchant. These dont have the stats the crafting tunic does though.</p><p>Again DominoDev Thanks for all you hardwork and caring time you put in our tradeskills, To us that enjoying crafting so much your efforts has been a blessing from Tunare <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>I forgot all about the new slots we got for looks <b>Calthine</b> lol tks and I reckon that solves my problem LOL</p>

[Calthine]

<cite>MAXDAMAGE31 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> My comment to this thread follows up on the starter of this topic. I made the shoulders for my lowbie crafter to, reason being is they match the crafting tunic we get from the quest. I have done this quest for all my crafters. What I would like to ask is  Could you make us more pieces to match the tunic for us that have lvl 5 crafting alt's? You see a Tailor can make pants and boots that match, But cant wear them till like lvl 15 I think it is. I know your aweful busy and this is just an idea no biggie if not it doesnt effect game play. Yes we can buy crafting clothes from the city merchant. These dont have the stats the crafting tunic does though.</p></blockquote>Wear the Artisan's Tunic, then wear something nice in your Appearance slots!  Like the tailor made fluff clothes!

[Terron]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Wear the Artisan's Tunic, then wear something nice in your Appearance slots!  Like the tailor made fluff clothes!</blockquote>I wouldn't call any of the male fluff clothes nice. They look like what peasants in a opera might wear.

[Ratkhan]

Domino, please only put in graphics for the cloth arms if they implement a bare arms option on appearance or put a set of alternate "invisible" armor available.  A huge lot of us use those to give the bare arms look.